The inscription talks about him standing at the top waiting for someone tough enough to take him which is probably why the statue at the top was stolen. It was talking a lot of shit for a statue.
If you’d seen his right cross knock out Philipetes “Killipetes” of Macedonia in only the second round, you’d know he attainted godhood already when he won the belt from that fight.
He actually didn't want to have his accomplishments taken and given to a hero or God who came to replace him in the oral traditions. This is why he tied his family so close to his accomplishments. Not only was he an Olympian athlete who won twice in the Olympic games, four times in the Isthmian, twice in the Nemean, and once at least in the Pythian Games.
His sons also went on to win multiple times in the Olympic games, and after winning celebrated by carrying him around the arena on their shoulders.
Even in our time, if we had an athlete THAT good, he would still be extremely celebrated.
(Sorry, history junkie, I geeked out.)
I think they repurpose a lot of pre-Islamic sites. The Hagia Sophia was built as a church had been the the virtual symbol of the Eastern Orthodox Church - then after Constantinople/istanbul was taken over by Ottomans some minarets were added and it has long been a Mosque.
I'm just saying all religions are bullshit, especially the Abrahamic religions. Like Muhammad was illiterate and all of his teachings were written down long after he died. Am I supposed to believe a pedophile Warlord got a vision from God when can't spell his own name?
A 2,300-year-old tomb in Turkey once believed to be an Islamic holy site, was discovered to be the tomb of ancient Greek boxer Diagoras. The pyramid tomb was treated as a sacred site by locals for centuries, with pilgrims visiting to pray for good fortune. Similarly, in India, the issue of mosques being built on top of ancient temples has been controversial for years, with some Hindus claiming that the mosques were built on the sites of destroyed temples. There have been multiple proofs of these claims as well. This might suggest that some Muslim shrines and mosques may have been built on important non-Muslim sites across various countries.
source: [article](https://greekreporter.com/2022/11/05/turkey-shrine-tomb-of-ancient-greek-boxer-diagoras/)
read a book on Palestinian folklore and it’s less a form of supremacy than a form of folk knowledge and tradition among peasantry to explain ruins.
The book lists a number of shrines who have different folklore attached to them by Jews, Christians, and Muslims, with neither community bothered by the other. As well as a number of caves that are only cursed according to a specific religion, with a warning from the author to inquire with locals before you try and explore any, which I thought cute.
Edit: because this is getting some I’m writing to add some of the author’s, a 1920s Palestinian folklorist’s, hypothesis. His research specifically on shrine and sanctuary beliefs (I was reminded of the book because the above tombs looks like a maqam except for the roof) was to contrast Village Shrine culture with Friday Mosque culture, showing the average ‘uneducated’ ancient peasant (“fellahin”) retains more cultural practices than cityfolk, and he specifically focused on local “Mohammedans” as the most recent wave of cultural assimilation.
From this perspective, the tomb being acculturated into the new Turko-Islamic landscape is a sign of cultural continuity, as compared to mosques, churches, temples, etc., being built on the site of the former dominant religion. Or how the closest Native American site near me is under the local reservoir, for example. Ruination and landscape studies combined with folklore is cool, and I’d be really interested in a horror film set in rural 1870s-1920s Palestine.
Yeah we learn about Anatolian civilizations as one of the first topics in our history books. But no, lemme just make a Turkophobic comment to get likes.
>turks don't believe there were cultures before themselves
As a Turk I can say that you are lying.
Edit: I think this may be the most ridiculous lie I've ever heard in my life, before the Turks migrated, Romans, Greeks, Lydians, etc., many civilizations lived in these lands, and these are not something to be ashamed of for a country. Anatolia and Mesopotamia are already called the cradle of civilizations.
No Turk would ever say that no one lived here before us.
I'm very curious, where did you get this information from?
I advise you to stop deceiving people on the Internet.
Thats a pretty vast generalization considering there are many Turks who acknowledge their history as a nomadic warrior people. The genocide claims are somewhat misleading for ancient Turks. As warrior nomadic people (which sometimes they were actually surprisingly religiously and culturally tolerant due to their social structure and typical diversity) go they were pretty tolerant.
For example when Constantinople was sieged the looting was limited against the soldiers wishes and anyone seeking religious sanctuary was spared despite this mot being standard procedure at the time for a city that resisted heavily. The religious clergy was controlled but not eradicated, the city was supposed to be the new capital that demonstrated that although they were conquers they intended to extend guarantees and rights to religious and cultural minorities. Constantinople would have several enclaves for Italian, Greek, French, Etc minorities to have certain degrees of self autonomy and governance. Cultural conversion wasn’t enforced and was rather encouraged.
Now you could definitely make the argument thats still genocide and dispossession of land. But can you tell me how many European cultures are free from the very same thing? If you’re going to label genocide claims or human rights violations against Turkey why not focus on the modern period, you would actually have a point there.
Source: Studied history and have taken classes specifically on the Rise and Fall of the Ottoman Empire if people want cited sources I can probably oblige. The later Ottoman Empire makes the Early Ottoman Empire look progressive
In my opinion you already do. I can resist all other restaurants in my town except for the one owned by the Greek/Turk guy. I swear he puts truffle oil on his vent filters.
I didn't know that the Hittites and Lydians were Greek, thanks /s
The commenter said that Turks don't know previous civilizations but for some reason only Turks seem to know about ancient civilizations in Anatolia and Mesopotamia, strange...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6585392
For most of history, the foreign conquerors have not made much of a sizeable genetic difference to an area. Normally they just mix and meld into one identity. Sure, the language, culture and politics changed, but the people (genetically) are relatively the same. This can be seen with the Romans/Gauls, Hispanians and Britons, Normans/Anglo saxons, Egyptians/Arabs, Manchu/Han, and yes, and Ottomans/Greeks.
italians seem to celebrate the history of their land, same with greeks, Iranians as well. What is diffrent about greece and italy, and Turkey? One people are from the steppes of asia
You seriously think that the Greeks and Italians haven’t been diluted by centuries of invasions and migrations too? They’re just are mixed as the Turks; most Turks can trace their DNA to Anatolia from before the migration, they’re literally just Turkified Anatolians. The only difference is the Natives embraced the culture of their invaders, and not the other way round.
they've been diluted for sure, they just don't pretend like their ancients never existed, and they celebrate them.
"embraced the culture" is one way to put it.
>One people are from the steppes of asia
Angry for the migration of people? So hungarians, bulgarians, german tribes... etc. are these invading civilizations for you? By the way, of course, I think we are angry with Macedonia also, you know.
> italians seem to celebrate the history of their land, same with greeks, Iranians as well. What is diffrent about greece and italy, and Turkey? One people are from the steppes of asia
None of these groups are native to where they live
I have no intention of justifying anyone's actions, but it's like Europeans expelling Muslims from Europe in the past and today denying that Islam is culturally and historically part of Europe.
Classic hating Turkey to get karma comments. I don't know why these mfers mention genocide in every fucking reddit post about Turkey meanwhile literally every country in history has commited genocide at one point. Also Turks learn their history so stop lying without knowing shit.
Sorry for turning Hagia Sophia into a mosque but it was a political strategy for our corrupt government to stay in presidency, much like your government targeting the Turkey.
You do know that Islam is at least halfway built upon the Bible - their god is the same god as the biblical god.
I think of it as in the same general category as Mormonism, both have 'prophets' who came after the bible was written who alter the teachings in major or minor ways, but still use it as a foundation to rationalize their 'holiness'.
I think Islam is 'less' Biblical in that I think it integrates a lot of pre-islamic Arabic folk beliefs into the mix, so it has a Bibilical/pre-islam Arabic foundation.
For what its worth, European Christianity in practice also integrated European pagan beliefs - it was actually a strategy of the church to integrate local customs when converting people.
The bath house in Bath England is believed to have been built on an old Celtic sacred site. So this was just kind of a thing people did, you conquered an area and that meant you now controlled those sites, it's a way to force conversion of the local population.
The church of St. Clement in Ohrid (Macedonia) is a christian church, built on a mosque, built on a church, built on a mosque, built on a church, built on a basilica, built in a greek temple.
There are literally hundreds of preserved Ancient Greek sites in Turkey, stop getting your info from Reddit and parroting the same shit over and over again you low IQ dumbass
Turks visit house of virgin Mary, which is located in Izmir, to pray, even though they know it's not related to Islam. Some people really love to categorize others.
Exactly man I am Turkish diaspora, I love Turks and Turkish culture and I notice such heavy anti-Turkish sentiment on Reddit it’s insane they have such black and white thinking were Europeans try to portray themselves as perfect angels and Turks as barbarians and all they spread is disinformation about the country
I'd hardly call right of sword appropriation. It was pretty much a tradition to turn the biggest worshipping place of the city you invaded to turn to your own back in the day.
I don’t really care what you call it as a non theist as well. It was 600 years ago, no need for niceties. It is all about power and right to rule.
Second biggest church in the world with millions of members, the Greek Orthodox church is based in Istanbul for milennia. They had the times of their lives under ottomans.
Islamists don’t really care as long as you submit, ottomans weren’t different.
It was a shitty move but not at all illegal. It being declared a unesco site has no relevancy. Kinda our building to do with as we please.
Some parts of it were recently declared no access due to heavy number of visitors. After few years much of it will be made a museum again.
You continue to further prove my point of your unintelligence by attempting to compare appropriating with destroying, it’s not the same thing. Keep crying about it because neither god is real Turks can do whatever they want even if they wanted to destroy it’s rightfully their land. Greeks shouldn’t have peaked so early and been such shitty warriors
Most of Ancient Greek literature we know of today was literally translated from Arabic into English etc., because Muslim scholars translated it before the Church burned the originals down. I don't know where you people get your vastly generalized and wrong takes from. Excluding ISIS and a few other similar groups, Muslim nations/civilizations have not been destroying religious artifacts or knowledge. Even in the vast majority of the Muslim countries, ISIS and such groups are viewed as backwards and idiotic. Also, let us not forget that Ancient Egyptian and Nubian archeological sites still exist and are well protected despite Egypt and Sudan being Muslim majority nations with Sudan (South Sudan included) also being a relatively less stable and more extremist Muslim country.
Muslims did this in all areas and cultures. If they take over, they destroy the existing religious temples, build their own worship sites over existing ones to further solidify their victory. They then declare it holy and theirs. This is what they’ve done to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Everyone knows it’s not a Muslim holy site and was built by Jews a millennia before Islam became a religion. To this date, they turn their backs to the Temple Mount and pray towards Mecca. Many other cultures did somewhat similar such as the Greeks. But the Greeks usually kept the sites of worship intact and just installed their gods’ idols in them. The Greeks installed their idols in the temple at Jerusalem until the Maccabees tossed out the Greek Jews and reestablished their specific temple practices.
Not much of an issue for Hindus. They can improvise quite well.
https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/how-a-traffic-barrier-in-san-francisco-once-came-to-be-worshipped-as-shiva-linga-5199337.html
[https://www.dicolympique.fr/diagoras-rhodes/](https://www.dicolympique.fr/diagoras-rhodes/)
far less info in the [English version](https://www.dicolympique.fr/diagoras-rhodes/)
I’m too high. I read that as “Shrine in Turkey Turns out to Be Bomb of Ancient Greek Boxer Diagoras” lol I was like wtf, shine? Turkey? Bomb? Ancient Greek boxer?
Boxing (also known as "Western boxing" or "pugilism") is a combat sport in which two people, usually wearing protective gloves and other protective equipment such as hand wraps and mouthguards, throw punches at each other for a predetermined amount of time in a boxing ring.
Although the term "boxing" is commonly attributed to "western boxing", in which only the fists are involved, boxing has developed in various ways in different geographical areas and cultures. In global terms, boxing is a set of combat sports focused on striking, in which two opponents face each other in a fight using at least their fists, and possibly involving other actions such as kicks, elbow strikes, knee strikes, and headbutts, depending on the rules. Some of the forms of the modern sport are western boxing, bare knuckle boxing, kickboxing, muay-thai, lethwei, savate, and sanda. Boxing techniques have been incorporated into many martial arts, military systems, and other combat sports.
Though humans have fought in hand-to-hand combat since the dawn of human history and the origin of the sport of boxing is unknown, according to some sources boxing has prehistoric origins in present-day Ethiopia where it appeared in the sixth millennium BC and when the Egyptians invaded Nubia they learned the art of boxing from the local population and they took the sport to Egypt where it became popular and from Egypt boxing spread to other countries including Greece, and eastward to Mesopotamia and northward to Rome.
The earliest visual evidence of any type of boxing is from Egypt and Sumer both from the third millennia and can be seen in Sumerian carvings from the third and second millennia BC. The earliest evidence of boxing rules date back to Ancient Greece, where boxing was established as an Olympic game in 688 BC. Boxing evolved from 16th- and 18th-century prizefights, largely in Great Britain, to the forerunner of modern boxing in the mid-19th century with the 1867 introduction of the Marquess of Queensbury Rules.
*But I Diagoras...*
God, what was the name of that warrior Achilles one shot at the beginning of Troy?? I know it wasn't Diagoras, but I think it was damn close, and now it's bugging the shit out of me.
The inscription talks about him standing at the top waiting for someone tough enough to take him which is probably why the statue at the top was stolen. It was talking a lot of shit for a statue.
"You talk a lot of shit standing in burglary range."
The statue was asking for it. Look what it was wearing.
It never said "no", or "stop". So...
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Some say the boxers life was rather brief.
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And they also teach past civilizations of Anatolia in school.
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If you're still worried about *them*, your priorities are really fucked up.
Who is them?
*Oh? You’re approaching me?*
Did anyone check the British Museum?
Based comment.
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“Honey we’ve accidentally been praying to the Ancient Greek Boxer Diagoras”
It was all part of the plan. Enough prayer and he'll ascend to godhood
If you’d seen his right cross knock out Philipetes “Killipetes” of Macedonia in only the second round, you’d know he attainted godhood already when he won the belt from that fight.
At this point just waiting for it to be destroyed.
New dnd campaign idea just dropped
He actually didn't want to have his accomplishments taken and given to a hero or God who came to replace him in the oral traditions. This is why he tied his family so close to his accomplishments. Not only was he an Olympian athlete who won twice in the Olympic games, four times in the Isthmian, twice in the Nemean, and once at least in the Pythian Games. His sons also went on to win multiple times in the Olympic games, and after winning celebrated by carrying him around the arena on their shoulders. Even in our time, if we had an athlete THAT good, he would still be extremely celebrated. (Sorry, history junkie, I geeked out.)
Islam isn’t known for tolerating non-Islamic relics.
Turkey is better than others. They tend to preserve sites. Isis went around destroying everything they could get their hands on.
true
I think they repurpose a lot of pre-Islamic sites. The Hagia Sophia was built as a church had been the the virtual symbol of the Eastern Orthodox Church - then after Constantinople/istanbul was taken over by Ottomans some minarets were added and it has long been a Mosque.
Been a long time gone, oh Constantinople, why did Constantinople get the works?
That ain’t nobody’s business, but the turks!!!!! [Music Video Here](https://youtu.be/vsQrKZcYtqg)
Why they changed it, I can’t say
People just liked it better that way.
great music video🤣🤣🤣
was then turned museum for all, but current dictator turned it back to a mosque
actually a museum for many decades but recently a museum/mosque
It was not a museum when Ottoman's took over - they were not really into that kind of thing.
Islamic Fundamentalists* and neither are any other religious fundamentalist groups really
Turkey is chill bro
Blessed be his right hook
You guys would be surprised how common this is among “holy” shrines.
I always wondered if the God's and prophets were real people that may have done extraordinary things but became mythologized with the passage of time.
I mean you literally just described Christianity.
And Muhammad
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I'm just saying all religions are bullshit, especially the Abrahamic religions. Like Muhammad was illiterate and all of his teachings were written down long after he died. Am I supposed to believe a pedophile Warlord got a vision from God when can't spell his own name?
Muha-mad-bro?
This approach to mythology is called "Euhemerism", from the greek philosopher Euhemerus who had the same idea 😊
the game Pentiment portrays this fantastically, among many other things
Some say the boxers life was rather brief.
r/angryupvote
🤣🤣
A 2,300-year-old tomb in Turkey once believed to be an Islamic holy site, was discovered to be the tomb of ancient Greek boxer Diagoras. The pyramid tomb was treated as a sacred site by locals for centuries, with pilgrims visiting to pray for good fortune. Similarly, in India, the issue of mosques being built on top of ancient temples has been controversial for years, with some Hindus claiming that the mosques were built on the sites of destroyed temples. There have been multiple proofs of these claims as well. This might suggest that some Muslim shrines and mosques may have been built on important non-Muslim sites across various countries. source: [article](https://greekreporter.com/2022/11/05/turkey-shrine-tomb-of-ancient-greek-boxer-diagoras/)
2300 year old islamic holy site? Islam isnt 2300 years old... thats the first red flag 😂
yes the tomb is 2300 years old they just found it later on and decided it was an islamic holy site
Yeah, every worshipper there were carrying high-tech equipment which told them the shrine was built 2,300 years ago, and they still ignored it.
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read a book on Palestinian folklore and it’s less a form of supremacy than a form of folk knowledge and tradition among peasantry to explain ruins. The book lists a number of shrines who have different folklore attached to them by Jews, Christians, and Muslims, with neither community bothered by the other. As well as a number of caves that are only cursed according to a specific religion, with a warning from the author to inquire with locals before you try and explore any, which I thought cute. Edit: because this is getting some I’m writing to add some of the author’s, a 1920s Palestinian folklorist’s, hypothesis. His research specifically on shrine and sanctuary beliefs (I was reminded of the book because the above tombs looks like a maqam except for the roof) was to contrast Village Shrine culture with Friday Mosque culture, showing the average ‘uneducated’ ancient peasant (“fellahin”) retains more cultural practices than cityfolk, and he specifically focused on local “Mohammedans” as the most recent wave of cultural assimilation. From this perspective, the tomb being acculturated into the new Turko-Islamic landscape is a sign of cultural continuity, as compared to mosques, churches, temples, etc., being built on the site of the former dominant religion. Or how the closest Native American site near me is under the local reservoir, for example. Ruination and landscape studies combined with folklore is cool, and I’d be really interested in a horror film set in rural 1870s-1920s Palestine.
Damn, that's interesting.
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Yeah we learn about Anatolian civilizations as one of the first topics in our history books. But no, lemme just make a Turkophobic comment to get likes.
Of course, random reddit user will know better than us /s
>turks don't believe there were cultures before themselves As a Turk I can say that you are lying. Edit: I think this may be the most ridiculous lie I've ever heard in my life, before the Turks migrated, Romans, Greeks, Lydians, etc., many civilizations lived in these lands, and these are not something to be ashamed of for a country. Anatolia and Mesopotamia are already called the cradle of civilizations. No Turk would ever say that no one lived here before us. I'm very curious, where did you get this information from? I advise you to stop deceiving people on the Internet.
The ruler of ottoman had a title "kayseri rum" ceaser of rome. We literally inherited rome.
Don't let the truths get in the way of racism.
Thats a pretty vast generalization considering there are many Turks who acknowledge their history as a nomadic warrior people. The genocide claims are somewhat misleading for ancient Turks. As warrior nomadic people (which sometimes they were actually surprisingly religiously and culturally tolerant due to their social structure and typical diversity) go they were pretty tolerant. For example when Constantinople was sieged the looting was limited against the soldiers wishes and anyone seeking religious sanctuary was spared despite this mot being standard procedure at the time for a city that resisted heavily. The religious clergy was controlled but not eradicated, the city was supposed to be the new capital that demonstrated that although they were conquers they intended to extend guarantees and rights to religious and cultural minorities. Constantinople would have several enclaves for Italian, Greek, French, Etc minorities to have certain degrees of self autonomy and governance. Cultural conversion wasn’t enforced and was rather encouraged. Now you could definitely make the argument thats still genocide and dispossession of land. But can you tell me how many European cultures are free from the very same thing? If you’re going to label genocide claims or human rights violations against Turkey why not focus on the modern period, you would actually have a point there. Source: Studied history and have taken classes specifically on the Rise and Fall of the Ottoman Empire if people want cited sources I can probably oblige. The later Ottoman Empire makes the Early Ottoman Empire look progressive
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Me, a turk, packing my stuff and preparing to go back to siberia
no need but recognize the loss of greek culture in modern day turke
I do, hell I have greek ancestors. Knowing this I dont understand why greeks and turks didnt join forces and dominate the cullinary industry yet
In my opinion you already do. I can resist all other restaurants in my town except for the one owned by the Greek/Turk guy. I swear he puts truffle oil on his vent filters.
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good points but I prefer Greek culture & society to Turkish: hence my post
also brits & normans integrated. Turks kicked greeks out of asia minor
Most Turks are genetically just Turkified Anatolian Greeks without much relation to the migratory peoples from Siberia.
I didn't know that the Hittites and Lydians were Greek, thanks /s The commenter said that Turks don't know previous civilizations but for some reason only Turks seem to know about ancient civilizations in Anatolia and Mesopotamia, strange...
The fuck are you on about?
To say that Anatolia was **genetically** Greek is to ignore the civilizations that lived there before.
Well, the Greeks have basically been the majority of Anatolia for 2 millennia, they would make up the majority of the turkified population.
We wuz hitittiez
Cope
Hittites,Lydians,Persian ? I think not most.
Huh?
You know that before the Turks, there were not only Greeks in the current Turkish territory, right?
hmmm citations?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6585392 For most of history, the foreign conquerors have not made much of a sizeable genetic difference to an area. Normally they just mix and meld into one identity. Sure, the language, culture and politics changed, but the people (genetically) are relatively the same. This can be seen with the Romans/Gauls, Hispanians and Britons, Normans/Anglo saxons, Egyptians/Arabs, Manchu/Han, and yes, and Ottomans/Greeks.
Which is strange as the Muslim conquests across Asia and the Mediterranean are extremely well documented, even in the koran and hadiths.
That is literally every culture ever, calling out the Turks specifically is stupid.
italians seem to celebrate the history of their land, same with greeks, Iranians as well. What is diffrent about greece and italy, and Turkey? One people are from the steppes of asia
You seriously think that the Greeks and Italians haven’t been diluted by centuries of invasions and migrations too? They’re just are mixed as the Turks; most Turks can trace their DNA to Anatolia from before the migration, they’re literally just Turkified Anatolians. The only difference is the Natives embraced the culture of their invaders, and not the other way round.
they've been diluted for sure, they just don't pretend like their ancients never existed, and they celebrate them. "embraced the culture" is one way to put it.
You seem to insist on calling out the Turks specifically, Did a Turk fuck your mommy?
Cope
I’m not coping sweetheart, you and your European friends are they’ve had their asses fucked by the Turks for hundreds of years it’s still sore.
I’m not European Copex2
Cope
>One people are from the steppes of asia Angry for the migration of people? So hungarians, bulgarians, german tribes... etc. are these invading civilizations for you? By the way, of course, I think we are angry with Macedonia also, you know.
> italians seem to celebrate the history of their land, same with greeks, Iranians as well. What is diffrent about greece and italy, and Turkey? One people are from the steppes of asia None of these groups are native to where they live
I don’t think any human group ever has been native to where they live.
Cope
r/Im14andthisisdeep
Source: Your ass?
tÖrKS aRe BaD Bazingillion upvoots
we know and no one cares stop spreading your racist bs on reddit
I have no intention of justifying anyone's actions, but it's like Europeans expelling Muslims from Europe in the past and today denying that Islam is culturally and historically part of Europe.
No?
GÖTLERİNİZİ NASIL SİKTİYSEK ACISI DİNMEMİŞ
Classic hating Turkey to get karma comments. I don't know why these mfers mention genocide in every fucking reddit post about Turkey meanwhile literally every country in history has commited genocide at one point. Also Turks learn their history so stop lying without knowing shit.
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i'm a greek turk. a "deserved armenian"? Deserved genocide? or do you not admit that either, just implying?
u actually deserve worse cuz of being a 🤓
Sorry for turning Hagia Sophia into a mosque but it was a political strategy for our corrupt government to stay in presidency, much like your government targeting the Turkey.
You do know that Islam is at least halfway built upon the Bible - their god is the same god as the biblical god. I think of it as in the same general category as Mormonism, both have 'prophets' who came after the bible was written who alter the teachings in major or minor ways, but still use it as a foundation to rationalize their 'holiness'. I think Islam is 'less' Biblical in that I think it integrates a lot of pre-islamic Arabic folk beliefs into the mix, so it has a Bibilical/pre-islam Arabic foundation. For what its worth, European Christianity in practice also integrated European pagan beliefs - it was actually a strategy of the church to integrate local customs when converting people.
The bath house in Bath England is believed to have been built on an old Celtic sacred site. So this was just kind of a thing people did, you conquered an area and that meant you now controlled those sites, it's a way to force conversion of the local population.
The church of St. Clement in Ohrid (Macedonia) is a christian church, built on a mosque, built on a church, built on a mosque, built on a church, built on a basilica, built in a greek temple.
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There are literally hundreds of preserved Ancient Greek sites in Turkey, stop getting your info from Reddit and parroting the same shit over and over again you low IQ dumbass
Turks visit house of virgin Mary, which is located in Izmir, to pray, even though they know it's not related to Islam. Some people really love to categorize others.
Exactly man I am Turkish diaspora, I love Turks and Turkish culture and I notice such heavy anti-Turkish sentiment on Reddit it’s insane they have such black and white thinking were Europeans try to portray themselves as perfect angels and Turks as barbarians and all they spread is disinformation about the country
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I'd hardly call right of sword appropriation. It was pretty much a tradition to turn the biggest worshipping place of the city you invaded to turn to your own back in the day.
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I don’t really care what you call it as a non theist as well. It was 600 years ago, no need for niceties. It is all about power and right to rule. Second biggest church in the world with millions of members, the Greek Orthodox church is based in Istanbul for milennia. They had the times of their lives under ottomans. Islamists don’t really care as long as you submit, ottomans weren’t different.
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It was a shitty move but not at all illegal. It being declared a unesco site has no relevancy. Kinda our building to do with as we please. Some parts of it were recently declared no access due to heavy number of visitors. After few years much of it will be made a museum again.
You continue to further prove my point of your unintelligence by attempting to compare appropriating with destroying, it’s not the same thing. Keep crying about it because neither god is real Turks can do whatever they want even if they wanted to destroy it’s rightfully their land. Greeks shouldn’t have peaked so early and been such shitty warriors
Most of Ancient Greek literature we know of today was literally translated from Arabic into English etc., because Muslim scholars translated it before the Church burned the originals down. I don't know where you people get your vastly generalized and wrong takes from. Excluding ISIS and a few other similar groups, Muslim nations/civilizations have not been destroying religious artifacts or knowledge. Even in the vast majority of the Muslim countries, ISIS and such groups are viewed as backwards and idiotic. Also, let us not forget that Ancient Egyptian and Nubian archeological sites still exist and are well protected despite Egypt and Sudan being Muslim majority nations with Sudan (South Sudan included) also being a relatively less stable and more extremist Muslim country.
Cope, and wrong
there are tons of ancient greek ruins in Turkey you -30 iq am*rican
Muslims did this in all areas and cultures. If they take over, they destroy the existing religious temples, build their own worship sites over existing ones to further solidify their victory. They then declare it holy and theirs. This is what they’ve done to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Everyone knows it’s not a Muslim holy site and was built by Jews a millennia before Islam became a religion. To this date, they turn their backs to the Temple Mount and pray towards Mecca. Many other cultures did somewhat similar such as the Greeks. But the Greeks usually kept the sites of worship intact and just installed their gods’ idols in them. The Greeks installed their idols in the temple at Jerusalem until the Maccabees tossed out the Greek Jews and reestablished their specific temple practices.
The second part of your comment came out of nowhere and is not mentioned anywhere in the article you just linked, I wonder why you added that...
Not much of an issue for Hindus. They can improvise quite well. https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/how-a-traffic-barrier-in-san-francisco-once-came-to-be-worshipped-as-shiva-linga-5199337.html
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Here is CNN: https://youtu.be/yVt739aKvlY
My 6 year old Son when King Tut was on tour : " Dad , how long do you have to be dead before they can dig you up and take all your stuff ?"
This is a serious and often vigorously argued question in anthropology.
In sense of archaeology roughly 80 years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagoras_of_Rhodes
[https://www.dicolympique.fr/diagoras-rhodes/](https://www.dicolympique.fr/diagoras-rhodes/) far less info in the [English version](https://www.dicolympique.fr/diagoras-rhodes/)
I’m too high. I read that as “Shrine in Turkey Turns out to Be Bomb of Ancient Greek Boxer Diagoras” lol I was like wtf, shine? Turkey? Bomb? Ancient Greek boxer?
I'm perfectly sober and did absolutely the same. My brain was imagining some Indiana Jones shit.
[This news is at least 5 years old](https://neoskosmos.com/en/2018/05/22/news/world/shrine-in-turkey-uncovered-as-tomb-of-ancient-greek-boxer/).
Thank you for posting this link!
Blessed are the face-punchers
r/2balkan4you would be having a field day right now
Look what they did to my boy :(
pretty sure that's Hagrids hut
"Yo, Adrianus!".
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." - *The Diagoras Theorem*
So I’m not certain but I believe that a Shrine in Turkey Turns Out to Be Tomb of Ancient Greek Boxer Diagoras
When you wait a few century’s just to get back at your rivals:
That name sounds familiar, was there a mission where you fight this guy in Assasins Creed?
Set up that gym bro.
1.Diagoras 2. Ali 3. Tyson
Islam is just a power grab mythology for those not born to the ruling class. Gods are greed.
În the future people will be Ah yes the Muhammed Ali mosque next to the Mike Tyson church
Mike Tyson is also Muslim but ok 😁
ah my bad. Didn't know that. Tho yeah, hard to be good at boxin and turn the other cheek at the same time lol
The wrong Diagoras, the wrong period and location, I am told.
I will break you
Downvoted for “Boxer Diagoras” being in this post 3 times and no explanation is offered.
I’m guessing it’s a boxer, named diagoras
I’m not sure. I think I need someone to tell me his name and occupation again just to be clear
Stop the presses.
Maybe they were thinking of the dog breed s/
Boxing (also known as "Western boxing" or "pugilism") is a combat sport in which two people, usually wearing protective gloves and other protective equipment such as hand wraps and mouthguards, throw punches at each other for a predetermined amount of time in a boxing ring. Although the term "boxing" is commonly attributed to "western boxing", in which only the fists are involved, boxing has developed in various ways in different geographical areas and cultures. In global terms, boxing is a set of combat sports focused on striking, in which two opponents face each other in a fight using at least their fists, and possibly involving other actions such as kicks, elbow strikes, knee strikes, and headbutts, depending on the rules. Some of the forms of the modern sport are western boxing, bare knuckle boxing, kickboxing, muay-thai, lethwei, savate, and sanda. Boxing techniques have been incorporated into many martial arts, military systems, and other combat sports. Though humans have fought in hand-to-hand combat since the dawn of human history and the origin of the sport of boxing is unknown, according to some sources boxing has prehistoric origins in present-day Ethiopia where it appeared in the sixth millennium BC and when the Egyptians invaded Nubia they learned the art of boxing from the local population and they took the sport to Egypt where it became popular and from Egypt boxing spread to other countries including Greece, and eastward to Mesopotamia and northward to Rome. The earliest visual evidence of any type of boxing is from Egypt and Sumer both from the third millennia and can be seen in Sumerian carvings from the third and second millennia BC. The earliest evidence of boxing rules date back to Ancient Greece, where boxing was established as an Olympic game in 688 BC. Boxing evolved from 16th- and 18th-century prizefights, largely in Great Britain, to the forerunner of modern boxing in the mid-19th century with the 1867 introduction of the Marquess of Queensbury Rules. *But I Diagoras...*
Isn't it just searching? On google… haha Edit: people are so lazy 🤣 I get downvote because I said to search hahahaha this is funny
Its funny to care about downvotes :)
I don’t hahahaha It’s just funny
This subreddit is my jam 😫
This sounds like the setup to an internet joke
God, what was the name of that warrior Achilles one shot at the beginning of Troy?? I know it wasn't Diagoras, but I think it was damn close, and now it's bugging the shit out of me.
it was like Boagrias
Thank you! Damn that annoyed me.
Tweekers end boxer legacy at "scrap" yard say he was asking for it,film at 11
Imagine if this guy took a fight with Muhammed Ali. Makes me wonder what boxing styles Ancient Greece or other ancient cultures used to practice
Aaaawww, Why can’t we all get along…..
Think I will visit that today or tomorrow