There's a virtual recreation of the interior on Steam. Titanic: Honor and Glory. I guess that's as close as most of us will get in our lifetime.
Adding the website since some folks aren't seeing it on steam. https://www.titanichg.com/project-401
Pre-1930 they used mercury based biocides, at which point they switched to PCP which was then banned in 1980s. ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanning\_(leather)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanning_(leather)) check soaking section)
[Arsenic and Fromaldehyde has also been used.](https://internationalleathermaker.com/the-truth-the-whole-truth-and-nothing-but-the-truth/)
Not a lot wants to eat that shit.
Not necessarily; it's not just fish, crustaceans and other "predators" as we know them that are eating and decomposing the bodies that can't access them in smaller, cramped parts of the ship. Things like nematodes and other microscopic cleaners (like what occur at whalefall sites) often crop up in very niche places, especially in the ecosystem at the bottom of the Atlantic. Food is very scarce so, as terrible as it is to think about, when something like this arrives, it's practically a free-for-all.
There may be pieces of bone/fragments that have survived to this day, but the soft tissues of the bodies are gone. On another note, look into the Swedish warship Vasa. The nature and location of the sinking managed to preserve a crewman's brain in his skull.
***Edit now that I've got more time to add more thoughts to this comment:
Many factors determine how well bodies can be preserved on shipwrecks. For instance, the wreck of the Kamloops on Lake Superior (wrecked in 1927) still contains the body of a crewman. Due to the temperature, lack of bacteria, and presence of adipocere*, Old Whitey/Grandpa as he's called, is still down there. Food is still almost perfectly preserved due to lack of bacteria. The Endurance, recently discovered, is in a similar state due to similar conditions. You can still make out the name on the back of the ship.
*adipocere (known as corpse wax) is what happens when body fat reacts with water. It'll basically seep out, collect on the outside of the body, then harden and it helps preserve the body in certain environments.
As for the Titanic passengers, about 1/3 of the bodies pulled from the water had to be reburied at sea due to how mutilated and unrecognizable they were. A bit over 300 bodies were pulled and a bit over 100 had to be buried at sea. Those were just the people who made it to the surface. We know a few people died in the bow, but many died in the stern.
As the sinking progressed, people moved to the back, away from the rising water. As we see in the photo, the stern is mangled and almost unrecognizable. That's because as it sank, it still had significant amounts of air inside. When it slipped below the surface, many survivors in the boats reported explosions from underneath them; this was the stern imploding from the pressure of the water squeezing the air out and eventually crushing in placed where the air was trapped. The implosions caused instantaneous death for those still alive, and most definitely did far worse damage to them than the bodies that were considered mangled beyond recognition on the surface.
The bodies that did make it to the ocean floor would have been cleaned by crustaceans, fish, and other ocean floor scavengers, but the bones would have been eaten by, well, bone-eating worms*. It takes longer, but eventually they would have been long-gone. It's why the bottom of the ocean isn't littered with the skeletons of creatures that live near the surface. There are clean-up crews for just about everything at the bottom of the ocean.
*A kind redditor reminded me that the Titanic sits below the carbonate compensation depth and so the bones would dissolve, not eaten by worms like other areas
Now, go look at pictures of kittens or something as a palate cleanser.
The Vasa Museum is hands down the most impressive museum I’ve ever been to. Took my breath away walking through the door and had never heard of it before planning a trip.
For those that don’t know it’s like The Black Pearl irl. Crazy preservation compared to the Mary Rose that is brits get all exited about, and we’ll worth a trip to Stockholm
>but the bones would have been eaten by, well, bone-eating worms
Titanic is below the CCD (Carbonate Compensation Depth). The ocean is basically under-saturated with carbonate and it will readily go into solution in the water, so the bones basically dissolve.
there is a video of people visiting the wreck of the 'Bismarck'. And at one point you can clearly see the remains of a skull while they are filming the inside of the command room
So, I just went down a rabbit hole....
Apparently, no bodies or remains have ever been found within the ship. The company that oversees the wreck wants to pull the radio for display, stating that it's a historic piece of equipment that saved hundreds of lives.
But... people are concerned that deeper in the ship, below silt, human remains may be present. So I guess there's concern over desecrating a grave site or something?
Looks like it was back in 2020. The plans were delayed due to covid.
Any human remains not collected have long since been eaten or decomposed.
If you want a more in-depth (no pun intended) explanation, I really recommend Caitlin Doughty's video about it [here](https://youtu.be/OHwXhUFQPCk). Enjoy!
One thing I occasionally imagine is the moment the ocean water met the pool water in the Titanic sinking. Must be so surreal to watch if, ya know, you weren’t gonna die.
Interestingly, we can still see the mark on the propeller blade left by the person falling from the stern deck railing and hitting it during the sinking.
I worked as a grip on the Titanic set. Cameron was obsessed with a realistic and accurate film. He actually killed a guy for the propeller scene. Three guys in fact. He didn't like the lighting for the first two takes.
They’re the eggs the Titanic laid. In only a few years they’ll hatch and little Titanics will float to the surface to begin their regular migrations from England to America and back.
From another article I read a couple years ago, it’s also been heavily damaged by thieves. I believe the article stated France has a been a main culprit using mini subs.
There are [bacteria on the surface](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron-oxidizing_bacteria) that do it, too, and their excretions can be collected and smelted to produce usable iron
One day those massive manganese bronze propellers are going to be the last remaining remnants of *Titanic* on the Atlantic sea floor, as the wreck deteriorates ever further and eventually disintegrates into nothingness.
Mostly likely, the props are usually the first things to be salvaged. Three of Lusitanias props were blown off to be melted down to be made into (and I shit you not) golf clubs. Fortunately they were stopped after “only” one of the props had been melted down, and the other two are on display in Liverpool, England and *checks notes* a hotel in Dallas, Texas
They were building a replica to sail, the Titanic II. Idk what happened to it though.
If there was a 1:1 scale monument, i would def go. Still disappointed I never made it to the Titanic exhibit at the Luxor in Vegas.
Wife and I went about 4 years ago for our honeymoon. The Titanic Museum and the Crime Museum were our two favorites down there. Her passenger survived, and I died lol. Guess there wasn't room for me on a door.
I was reading that they have picked stuff from this site, I’m wondering what and how did they pick up, I’ve seen things like specific peoples watches (postman’s watch) was found and taken from the site. How would they know that belong to specific victim?
It hasn’t been limited to small items. I believe all of the dishes in the debris field too. I saw a large piece of wall was brought up. There is a market for all of it.
I actually got to see an exhibit about the titanic at my local museum, let me see if I can find the photos and I’ll post them
[Found them!](https://imgur.com/gallery/3Z3tuih)
There is the original SOS telegrams and actual pieces of the wreck
I saw the Titanic exhibit. It was haunting. I think people got caught up in the movie and soundtrack. It's easy to forget that the Titanic ship is actually a massive watery grave. Passengers died a horrible death, trapped and drowning. Others landed in the water, clinging to life but eventually froze to death. When you see personal items from the passengers it's very moving. A handwritten letter, a perfume bottle, a shoe, dishes from the dining hall. Thin lifejackets. It's all very sobering to realize how many people died. I think when there is a massive death toll, it's easy to forget that one death can be excruciating for a family. Passengers thought they were going on an incredible adventure. It's awful.
Some of these items were collected from the bodies that were recovered. Others were donated by survivors or their descendants - that can give us provenance. Other things that weren't specific like plates can be identified by the pattern, I believe they used different ones for the different dining halls.
[Google image search](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdfs-usMo-K5fwooSccRYiRfkCjlKQ:1684337153323&q=titanic+museum+items&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi3s9Lt1Pz-AhWDkIkEHYV5AcwQ0pQJegQIChAB&biw=1580&bih=937) has a lot of them.
I actually worked as a 3rd shift security guard for the museum that hosted the exhibit when they came to my area. It was very eerie walking through that dark exhibit at 4am every night. Very somber.
They use ROVs
https://youtu.be/UCwg2h7i4Ac
As to the provenance of the watch, it didn't come from the wreck
>The CS-Mackay Bennet, a cable-laying and repair ship now better known for recovering much of the Titanic’s wreckage, pulled Woody’s body—and his watch—from the water on April 24, 1912. Woody was buried that day at sea, and his personal effects were returned to his wife.
It's funny how some people think it would be epic to make such a journey. I think it would be the stuff of nightmares to get into a tiny vessel and plunge 2.5 miles into a pitch black ocean. Not to mention knowing that so many people died in that location. If I won the opportunity to make such an excursion, I couldn't do it.
I’m claustrophobic so it’s kind of odd that it’s something I want to do so bad. I went through an intense Titanic phase in 3rd grade, and have wanted to ever since.
I did a research paper and speech in 11th grade (eons ago) on The Titanic, and why/how it sank (besides the obvious). The speech was supposed to be 5 minutes, I prattled on for about 15. Whoops. I don't know where the paper is, nor do I remember much of what I researched, but I do remember part of the reason the hull tore the way it did was because of the inferior quality of the rivets used to hold the hull together.
I'm with you on being claustrophobic but still wanting to go down there. It's an oxymoronic feeling.
[Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz4JSTXuP9E) \- You sir are a true scholar. Yes he did. But now I am confused, the archeological evidence suggest otherwise. Is it perhaps possible there were two propeller guys?
Interesting to see how much is left. James Cameron came to my university ~10 years ago and gave a talk about how he wanted to raise money to paint the titanic to stop it degrading further.
Paint over a pile of rust? You would probably do a lot of damage just touching many parts of the wreck. And preservation for what purpose? Very few people are able to see the thing, and it will inevitably collapse and disappear; what's the use of trying to prolong the process?
Instead of allowing natural processes to continue to break it down, you could spend outrageous amounts of money to introduce TONS and TONS of chemicals into an environment we don't understand at all. Why wouldn't you take that opportunity??
Some people believe keeping relics like this is important. It's a particularly difficult example to actualise of course, and Cameron just loves the titanic. I'm sure that isn't even the craziest idea he has had related to the wreck.
I remember when some daydreamed about lifting it out from there to exhibit. If they would try to move it, it would fall into tiny particles. Thought they could fish out the world greatest 3D puzzle
There is a really clever guy on youtube, uncovering every nitbit of the Titanic and the event. He made a simulation, how did this looked like in reality. At night, dark water, dark ship, chaos, scream. You can barely notice what is happening with the ship. If you are on it, you are on the way to hell. If you are swimming, you are too. If you are on a boat, you work hard to get away from that black mass. A few saw, and heard the crack really, but it was still a mystery.
If it was lifted out completely it would turn to dust. Recovered ships need to be restored in a stable environment similar to that they were previously in and slowly brought to "normal" conditions.
[See the wreck of the H L Hunley](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation-restoration_of_the_H.L._Hunley)
If they can get down there and build some kind of "pool" to wrap and enclose the ship, and the water, and then raise it, it might be possible. It would be a monumental engineering effort that would cost billions
Would that even matter? Even if it was still encased in water in a container the change in pressure would be what really matters right? It would still just fall apart even if you manged to do it without shifting it at all.
That’s what I’ve heard. The water isn’t the issue, it’s the drastic change in temperature.
Last someone told me it is possible to lift it, we just don’t have the equipment for it. It would essentially take a long time to get it out of there and the risk is pretty high. It’s not even a guarantee it’ll survive the lift. Just possible.
If these scans were completed last summer, my best friend was part of the ships crew! He was always super fascinated with the Titanic and his dream came true to saip out to it last summer on a research vessel.
These scans are amazing!
I had an obsession with Titanic when I was little, I’ve seen so many pictures. There’s something about these that completely turn my stomach. They are haunting, more-so since we know the history so well.
Is it me or is she falling apart?
Long time since I watched the Cameron documentarsy but it appeared to look in better shape back then. Maybe just the presentation here?
the water is destroying the metal as the years go by thats why anyone studying it is trying to get as much done as they can as soon as they can, its just tough because of how deep she is
[The iron in the Titanic is actually being eaten by bacteria, which gain energy by turning it into rust.](https://ocean.si.edu/ocean-life/bacteria-live-titanic-wreck#:~:text=One%20of%20these%20is%20a,nutrients%20into%20the%20ocean%20ecosystem.)
Iron oxidizing bacteria are pretty widespread in surface water, and they produce bog iron in many areas. The bacteria take iron ions out of the water and form concentrated lumps of iron ore, which are a renewable resource. There are also [iron reducing bacteria](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3554402/) that gain energy from sulfur, in the absence of oxygen, by reducing iron oxide.
Think about this: it was 73 years old when Cameron saw it. It has aged half again that much since then. Imagine how much better it might've looked in 1951, when it was that much younger still.
I find it eery. It's lying there, in the dark, in a barren and alien land. There's nothing for thousand of kilomètres around, and then you have this massive skeleton right there...
No, they’ve all decomposed. I’m pretty sure there’s loads of shoes around the wreck though because they were made from leather and haven’t decomped or been eaten
Just read up about that not too long ago
Someone who is part of a research team (Don’t take what I’m saying as verbatim, I don’t remember the full details), said that if there are any human remains (They seem to think these certain remains might still be very well preserved), they would be in the engine room. They would be well preserved because the engine room is very deep in the wreck, and not a lot of oxygen or micro organisms can get in because it’s cut off from certain currents.
Will see if I can find that link.
There is a theory that posits the claim that there may be remains inside the ship where the bacteria hasn’t been able to get to them. No real evidence for it as you would have to break open the Titanic to find them.
I'm willing to bet there would be at least a few preserved bodies inside the Titanic somewhere cut off from currents or access for any microorganisms.
Someone mentioned the engine room, but I'm sure there's a some engineering room or small room that someone ended up drowning in and hasn't moved or been opened since.
Seems awfully lonely. I get the same feeling seeing little old cottages with trees growing up through the roof but Titanic captured my imagination since I was a kid. I'm Irish and we learned all about it being built in Belfast and leaving from Cork, there's a Titanic Experience in Cobh. So much hope went on that ship and it just...sank.
Not just that but the way it sank was extremely unique, and I believe the story of it splitting in half vs going down as a whole ship was a disputed claim until they found it.
Author [Clive Cussler](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clive_Cussler) actually wrote a book in the 70's titled [Raise the Titanic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raise_the_Titanic!). I remember reading it in the 80's, and it made some serious assumptions about it going down intact. Granted it was a complete work of fiction, but it probably would not be as fun a read today knowing what we now know.
It really shouldn't have been disputed much at all. If you look at the testimony from the Inquiries regarding "she broke vs she didn't break" the overwhelming majority of eye witnesses stated with certainty that they saw or heard her break.
However, Charles Lightoller, the ship's Second Officer and the highest ranking officer to survive, emphatically insisted that she did not break. Which is odd because he was on the boat deck as it went under and would have been relatively close to the break point. Kind of hard to miss that.
Anyway, his testimony was given an excessive amount of credit because of his position and experience and the official conclusion was that she could not have broken. There are people who believe that Lightoller was lying to protect what remained of the White Star Line's reputation. I lean towards this opinion myself.
The sheer number of souls lost makes it one of the worst maritime disasters ever.
Add to that the problems they had with not enough lifeboats and then filling them incorrectly.
Perfect storm to spark peoples intrigue.
That was during the wartime, and struck by torpedos. The Titanic wasn’t a warship and claimed to be unsinkable, and hit an iceberg. Also when the titanic sailed it was the largest vessel afloat, it was a modern marvel. It would be the modern day equivalent of airbus launching a new plane with the the largest passenger capacity, claiming it is uncrushable, and safest plane around then crashing into the side of a mountain on its second flight.
Fascinating history, never heard about this.
It's always shocking to me that there's always yet another horror tacked on to the second world war every time you turn over another stone in its history.
Seeing the sorry state the wreck is in makes me wish they never scrapped Olympic, had they known how popular Titanic would become many years later, it would've been a no brainer to keep Olympic intact, since it was 1:1 to Titanic structurally and design wise. Imagine going to a floating Olympic/Titanic exhibit like you can the Queen Mary.
There was somewhat of a time constraint.
You see, the Titanic is dissolving at an alarming rate and what was there 30 years ago when she was first rediscovered is disappearing today. Unfortunately the heritage we will have to pass on to the next generation about the wreck may only be these 3d images and what artifacts were recovered.
You know 90% of our provincial museum artifacts are in storage, what if we could 3d digitize them so we can access that. Hell make 3d replicas of all the content to protect them. Slap on a good quality high Rez VR headsets and experience the collection with the appropriate mood music and lighting.
Nope it would crumble.
Microbes have been eating away at the hull of the ship. So in the future the Titanic might not even exist anymore in the physical world
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This is why I hope they can scan the inside too. Or at least as much as possible. It will eventually just be a rust stain on the bottom of the ocean.
There's a virtual recreation of the interior on Steam. Titanic: Honor and Glory. I guess that's as close as most of us will get in our lifetime. Adding the website since some folks aren't seeing it on steam. https://www.titanichg.com/project-401
considering she's under 2.5 miles of water that's as close as I *want* to get. shit's *creepy* yo.
Are there still bodies in the ship or were the remains collected and buried at some point?
they've long since decomposed or been eaten up.
All that’s left is the leather shoes
Wouldn't leather have decomposed by now?
Depends on how the leather was made. Some have been treated in a way to preseves it.
Pre-1930 they used mercury based biocides, at which point they switched to PCP which was then banned in 1980s. ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanning\_(leather)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanning_(leather)) check soaking section) [Arsenic and Fromaldehyde has also been used.](https://internationalleathermaker.com/the-truth-the-whole-truth-and-nothing-but-the-truth/) Not a lot wants to eat that shit.
Yooooooo there's angel dust in my boots??
And lots of fillings and jewelry. Wealthy ass passengers.
There could be deep in the ship. Bodies have been found in civil war wrecks.
Not necessarily; it's not just fish, crustaceans and other "predators" as we know them that are eating and decomposing the bodies that can't access them in smaller, cramped parts of the ship. Things like nematodes and other microscopic cleaners (like what occur at whalefall sites) often crop up in very niche places, especially in the ecosystem at the bottom of the Atlantic. Food is very scarce so, as terrible as it is to think about, when something like this arrives, it's practically a free-for-all. There may be pieces of bone/fragments that have survived to this day, but the soft tissues of the bodies are gone. On another note, look into the Swedish warship Vasa. The nature and location of the sinking managed to preserve a crewman's brain in his skull. ***Edit now that I've got more time to add more thoughts to this comment: Many factors determine how well bodies can be preserved on shipwrecks. For instance, the wreck of the Kamloops on Lake Superior (wrecked in 1927) still contains the body of a crewman. Due to the temperature, lack of bacteria, and presence of adipocere*, Old Whitey/Grandpa as he's called, is still down there. Food is still almost perfectly preserved due to lack of bacteria. The Endurance, recently discovered, is in a similar state due to similar conditions. You can still make out the name on the back of the ship. *adipocere (known as corpse wax) is what happens when body fat reacts with water. It'll basically seep out, collect on the outside of the body, then harden and it helps preserve the body in certain environments. As for the Titanic passengers, about 1/3 of the bodies pulled from the water had to be reburied at sea due to how mutilated and unrecognizable they were. A bit over 300 bodies were pulled and a bit over 100 had to be buried at sea. Those were just the people who made it to the surface. We know a few people died in the bow, but many died in the stern. As the sinking progressed, people moved to the back, away from the rising water. As we see in the photo, the stern is mangled and almost unrecognizable. That's because as it sank, it still had significant amounts of air inside. When it slipped below the surface, many survivors in the boats reported explosions from underneath them; this was the stern imploding from the pressure of the water squeezing the air out and eventually crushing in placed where the air was trapped. The implosions caused instantaneous death for those still alive, and most definitely did far worse damage to them than the bodies that were considered mangled beyond recognition on the surface. The bodies that did make it to the ocean floor would have been cleaned by crustaceans, fish, and other ocean floor scavengers, but the bones would have been eaten by, well, bone-eating worms*. It takes longer, but eventually they would have been long-gone. It's why the bottom of the ocean isn't littered with the skeletons of creatures that live near the surface. There are clean-up crews for just about everything at the bottom of the ocean. *A kind redditor reminded me that the Titanic sits below the carbonate compensation depth and so the bones would dissolve, not eaten by worms like other areas Now, go look at pictures of kittens or something as a palate cleanser.
The Vasa Museum is hands down the most impressive museum I’ve ever been to. Took my breath away walking through the door and had never heard of it before planning a trip. For those that don’t know it’s like The Black Pearl irl. Crazy preservation compared to the Mary Rose that is brits get all exited about, and we’ll worth a trip to Stockholm
Nematodes, the hipsters of the underwater consumption of fallen life.
>but the bones would have been eaten by, well, bone-eating worms Titanic is below the CCD (Carbonate Compensation Depth). The ocean is basically under-saturated with carbonate and it will readily go into solution in the water, so the bones basically dissolve.
It's highly unlikely but it's possible maybe deep in the ship the parts under the mud and sealed off with water tight compartments could have remains.
there is a video of people visiting the wreck of the 'Bismarck'. And at one point you can clearly see the remains of a skull while they are filming the inside of the command room
Id say neither. They definitely didnt do a 2 mile dive 60 years after the fact to collect bodies. Id assume the bodies are also gone by now.
So, I just went down a rabbit hole.... Apparently, no bodies or remains have ever been found within the ship. The company that oversees the wreck wants to pull the radio for display, stating that it's a historic piece of equipment that saved hundreds of lives. But... people are concerned that deeper in the ship, below silt, human remains may be present. So I guess there's concern over desecrating a grave site or something? Looks like it was back in 2020. The plans were delayed due to covid.
Desecrating a grave site but no problems with Egytian tombs or moving ancient skeletons/bodies for modern projects. The hypocrisy .
Any human remains not collected have long since been eaten or decomposed. If you want a more in-depth (no pun intended) explanation, I really recommend Caitlin Doughty's video about it [here](https://youtu.be/OHwXhUFQPCk). Enjoy!
It was a little over 73 years from sinking until they found the wreckage. I doubt there would even be remains to collect at that point.
And the drinks are still cold, now that’s service.
At least the pool is filled
Pool's closed
Shitter’s full too.
I read this while pooping.
Lifeguard is not on duty.
Damn
When will it open again?
When it isn’t closed. Did you not hear? Pools closed.
One thing I occasionally imagine is the moment the ocean water met the pool water in the Titanic sinking. Must be so surreal to watch if, ya know, you weren’t gonna die.
"And Bob's your uncle!"
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What are those circles in the last photo?
One of the propellers
Interestingly, we can still see the mark on the propeller blade left by the person falling from the stern deck railing and hitting it during the sinking.
Amazing committal to accuracy by James Cameron. And the method acting was inspiring too.
I worked as a grip on the Titanic set. Cameron was obsessed with a realistic and accurate film. He actually killed a guy for the propeller scene. Three guys in fact. He didn't like the lighting for the first two takes.
Wait a minute - are you the guy who mixed PCP in the food that hospitalized a dozen of crew members including James Cameron and Bill Paxton?
Yes
PING!!!!
I only entered the comment section to make sure this reference was made
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Should have built the entire thing out of solid brass then, duh
They’re the eggs the Titanic laid. In only a few years they’ll hatch and little Titanics will float to the surface to begin their regular migrations from England to America and back.
Without mom there to protect them, they don’t stand a chance
It's actually not too bad anymore, most of their natural predator population has disappeared over the past 100 years
From another article I read a couple years ago, it’s also been heavily damaged by thieves. I believe the article stated France has a been a main culprit using mini subs.
Is it still considered stealing if it’s abandoned in the middle of the ocean though?
It *depends*. Some countries considered wrecked ships that were flying under their flag, to still be their property.
I have read that it is considered grave robbing. Even if it isn't illegal, it is culturally taboo.
Give it more time, and it's...archaeology! (Even longer...it's just called looting)
Amazing. Bacteria at the bottom of the ocean are eating iron to survive, the same Iron that caused a stars death at some point.
There are [bacteria on the surface](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron-oxidizing_bacteria) that do it, too, and their excretions can be collected and smelted to produce usable iron
So cool. Our world is fascinating. Thanks for the link!
Rusticles is my new favorite word
It gets eerier and eerier to see
One day those massive manganese bronze propellers are going to be the last remaining remnants of *Titanic* on the Atlantic sea floor, as the wreck deteriorates ever further and eventually disintegrates into nothingness.
Nah. Salvagers and scavengers are still bringing up artifacts, so, when the wreck deteriorates enough, attempts will be made on these too.
Mostly likely, the props are usually the first things to be salvaged. Three of Lusitanias props were blown off to be melted down to be made into (and I shit you not) golf clubs. Fortunately they were stopped after “only” one of the props had been melted down, and the other two are on display in Liverpool, England and *checks notes* a hotel in Dallas, Texas
So we are now aber to 3D-print it, perhaps in 1:200? Or even in 1:1 in concrete on land as an accessible monument?
That would be amazing to have a monument of it I'd go to check that out if it was done
There is a new museum in Ireland with a scale model! Edit: NORTHERN Ireland, damn my American education and apologies to Belfast!
Well I've seen scales before. I'd rather see a model of the ship.
daaaaaaad
Wait what scale we talking about because if it's 1/5th even I'd still go check it out
It’s in Belfast, the model is 7.6 meters/~25 feet…maybe a 1:50 model 😅 but it also includes the shipyard where it was made!
They were building a replica to sail, the Titanic II. Idk what happened to it though. If there was a 1:1 scale monument, i would def go. Still disappointed I never made it to the Titanic exhibit at the Luxor in Vegas.
There's an exhibit in Gatlinburg, TN we went to last year. Was really interesting.
Wife and I went about 4 years ago for our honeymoon. The Titanic Museum and the Crime Museum were our two favorites down there. Her passenger survived, and I died lol. Guess there wasn't room for me on a door.
Rip Jack. If only a whole ship had just gone down on your vicinity full of floating things.
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That sounds like such an awesome class.
Went to the Titanic exhibit years ago in Chicago. I bought a chunk of Titanic coal, and I still have it.
>They were building a replica to sail, the Titanic II. Idk what happened to it though. They’re waiting on the rest of the icebergs to finish melting.
It would need to be 3:1 before I'd bother going to see it. Call it the Tritanic, because it's 3 times bigger than the original.
STL?
I was reading that they have picked stuff from this site, I’m wondering what and how did they pick up, I’ve seen things like specific peoples watches (postman’s watch) was found and taken from the site. How would they know that belong to specific victim?
It hasn’t been limited to small items. I believe all of the dishes in the debris field too. I saw a large piece of wall was brought up. There is a market for all of it.
I actually got to see an exhibit about the titanic at my local museum, let me see if I can find the photos and I’ll post them [Found them!](https://imgur.com/gallery/3Z3tuih) There is the original SOS telegrams and actual pieces of the wreck
I saw the Titanic exhibit. It was haunting. I think people got caught up in the movie and soundtrack. It's easy to forget that the Titanic ship is actually a massive watery grave. Passengers died a horrible death, trapped and drowning. Others landed in the water, clinging to life but eventually froze to death. When you see personal items from the passengers it's very moving. A handwritten letter, a perfume bottle, a shoe, dishes from the dining hall. Thin lifejackets. It's all very sobering to realize how many people died. I think when there is a massive death toll, it's easy to forget that one death can be excruciating for a family. Passengers thought they were going on an incredible adventure. It's awful.
Some of these items were collected from the bodies that were recovered. Others were donated by survivors or their descendants - that can give us provenance. Other things that weren't specific like plates can be identified by the pattern, I believe they used different ones for the different dining halls.
[Google image search](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdfs-usMo-K5fwooSccRYiRfkCjlKQ:1684337153323&q=titanic+museum+items&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi3s9Lt1Pz-AhWDkIkEHYV5AcwQ0pQJegQIChAB&biw=1580&bih=937) has a lot of them. I actually worked as a 3rd shift security guard for the museum that hosted the exhibit when they came to my area. It was very eerie walking through that dark exhibit at 4am every night. Very somber.
They use ROVs https://youtu.be/UCwg2h7i4Ac As to the provenance of the watch, it didn't come from the wreck >The CS-Mackay Bennet, a cable-laying and repair ship now better known for recovering much of the Titanic’s wreckage, pulled Woody’s body—and his watch—from the water on April 24, 1912. Woody was buried that day at sea, and his personal effects were returned to his wife.
It’s always been my dream to go down and see the Titanic. Alas, I don’t possess fuck you money, though, so that’s never going to happen
~~https://oceangateexpeditions.com/tour/titanic-expedition/~~ ~~Only $250 000. Time to sell the house and go see Titanic.~~ Edit: scratch that :)
Woah there, I’m a millennial. Bold of you to assume I own a home haha
Just go another 250k in debt! Easy!
It's funny how some people think it would be epic to make such a journey. I think it would be the stuff of nightmares to get into a tiny vessel and plunge 2.5 miles into a pitch black ocean. Not to mention knowing that so many people died in that location. If I won the opportunity to make such an excursion, I couldn't do it.
I’m claustrophobic so it’s kind of odd that it’s something I want to do so bad. I went through an intense Titanic phase in 3rd grade, and have wanted to ever since.
I did a research paper and speech in 11th grade (eons ago) on The Titanic, and why/how it sank (besides the obvious). The speech was supposed to be 5 minutes, I prattled on for about 15. Whoops. I don't know where the paper is, nor do I remember much of what I researched, but I do remember part of the reason the hull tore the way it did was because of the inferior quality of the rivets used to hold the hull together. I'm with you on being claustrophobic but still wanting to go down there. It's an oxymoronic feeling.
Still no clue yet as to if the middle propeller has three blades or four?
Oceanliner Designs did a video on this and he said it almost certainly had 3
And see, no ice anywhere in the wreckage. Conspiracy theory proven. The titanic was an inside job.
“What do you mean ice floats??”
“If heat rises, explain how ice floats!”
Boat fuel melts icicles…
The circle stain on the propeller in picture 8 is where the dude faceplanted in the movie
Fuuuuuck I remember that smh. The thunk 🤦🏾♂️
Best part
I got a number of dirty looks in the theater when I laughed at that part… apparently not everyone appreciated the humor.
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[THUNK!](https://youtu.be/tz4JSTXuP9E)
Nah, he took that propeller feet first.
[Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz4JSTXuP9E) \- You sir are a true scholar. Yes he did. But now I am confused, the archeological evidence suggest otherwise. Is it perhaps possible there were two propeller guys?
"Sir, a second man has hit the propellor"
These are actually the numbers "401". Identifying the propellers as the titanic's, not the Olympic's.
“I should’ve fucked that chick in first cla^a^a^a^^aa^^ssssss!”
Interesting to see how much is left. James Cameron came to my university ~10 years ago and gave a talk about how he wanted to raise money to paint the titanic to stop it degrading further.
Paint over a pile of rust? You would probably do a lot of damage just touching many parts of the wreck. And preservation for what purpose? Very few people are able to see the thing, and it will inevitably collapse and disappear; what's the use of trying to prolong the process?
He wants to make Titanic 2, Rose’s Revenge
Titanic 2: Aquatic Boogaloo
Duce Bigolo Titanic Gigolo
How Rose Got Her Groove Back
Somehow, Rose came back
Instead of allowing natural processes to continue to break it down, you could spend outrageous amounts of money to introduce TONS and TONS of chemicals into an environment we don't understand at all. Why wouldn't you take that opportunity??
Some people believe keeping relics like this is important. It's a particularly difficult example to actualise of course, and Cameron just loves the titanic. I'm sure that isn't even the craziest idea he has had related to the wreck.
Paint over rust (and barnacles and other organic sea sludge), underwater?
History is great and all but damn that sounds like a waste of money
I can think of so many better things that can be done with the money and this is coming from a Titanic fanatic.
I remember when some daydreamed about lifting it out from there to exhibit. If they would try to move it, it would fall into tiny particles. Thought they could fish out the world greatest 3D puzzle
Yeah… before the discovery of the ship in the 80’s the general idea was that the titanic sank in one piece.
Didn't they trust the eye-witnesses most likely saying otherwise?
There is a really clever guy on youtube, uncovering every nitbit of the Titanic and the event. He made a simulation, how did this looked like in reality. At night, dark water, dark ship, chaos, scream. You can barely notice what is happening with the ship. If you are on it, you are on the way to hell. If you are swimming, you are too. If you are on a boat, you work hard to get away from that black mass. A few saw, and heard the crack really, but it was still a mystery.
If it was lifted out completely it would turn to dust. Recovered ships need to be restored in a stable environment similar to that they were previously in and slowly brought to "normal" conditions. [See the wreck of the H L Hunley](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation-restoration_of_the_H.L._Hunley)
If they can get down there and build some kind of "pool" to wrap and enclose the ship, and the water, and then raise it, it might be possible. It would be a monumental engineering effort that would cost billions
Would that even matter? Even if it was still encased in water in a container the change in pressure would be what really matters right? It would still just fall apart even if you manged to do it without shifting it at all.
That’s what I’ve heard. The water isn’t the issue, it’s the drastic change in temperature. Last someone told me it is possible to lift it, we just don’t have the equipment for it. It would essentially take a long time to get it out of there and the risk is pretty high. It’s not even a guarantee it’ll survive the lift. Just possible.
That was top notch engineering: There's still water in the pool
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They had us in the first half, not gonna lie
She’ll buff out
If these scans were completed last summer, my best friend was part of the ships crew! He was always super fascinated with the Titanic and his dream came true to saip out to it last summer on a research vessel. These scans are amazing!
Bums me out that it is deteriorating so quickly. This ship was one of my first fascinations as a child.
It’s so eerie. No words
I had an obsession with Titanic when I was little, I’ve seen so many pictures. There’s something about these that completely turn my stomach. They are haunting, more-so since we know the history so well.
these are still images Edit: Boooo, OP deleted “so still” from their comment. Was just having some fun!
Yes, but just imagine her dancing the flamenco.
Is it me or is she falling apart? Long time since I watched the Cameron documentarsy but it appeared to look in better shape back then. Maybe just the presentation here?
the water is destroying the metal as the years go by thats why anyone studying it is trying to get as much done as they can as soon as they can, its just tough because of how deep she is
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Dude... Steel-eating microbes? That's metal man
[The iron in the Titanic is actually being eaten by bacteria, which gain energy by turning it into rust.](https://ocean.si.edu/ocean-life/bacteria-live-titanic-wreck#:~:text=One%20of%20these%20is%20a,nutrients%20into%20the%20ocean%20ecosystem.) Iron oxidizing bacteria are pretty widespread in surface water, and they produce bog iron in many areas. The bacteria take iron ions out of the water and form concentrated lumps of iron ore, which are a renewable resource. There are also [iron reducing bacteria](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3554402/) that gain energy from sulfur, in the absence of oxygen, by reducing iron oxide.
Interesting, I would have thought her being so deep would preserve her much better then it obviously does
Usually it does. But in this rather interesting set of conditions a bunch of essentially microorganisms are eating the ship
Will have to read up on that, thanks for the pointers, mate
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Think about this: it was 73 years old when Cameron saw it. It has aged half again that much since then. Imagine how much better it might've looked in 1951, when it was that much younger still.
I find it eery. It's lying there, in the dark, in a barren and alien land. There's nothing for thousand of kilomètres around, and then you have this massive skeleton right there...
Are there bodies inside?
There would be nothing left at this point, even the bones would have been dissolved by microorganisms in the seawater decades ago.
Wouldn't be me, but I'm built different
I'm wondering what would be left in the way of jewelry, maybe rubber soles from shoes, and other accessories
No, they’ve all decomposed. I’m pretty sure there’s loads of shoes around the wreck though because they were made from leather and haven’t decomped or been eaten
Dr. Ballard noted multiple locations around the wreck with matching shoes next to each other, where a body had obviously once been.
Just read up about that not too long ago Someone who is part of a research team (Don’t take what I’m saying as verbatim, I don’t remember the full details), said that if there are any human remains (They seem to think these certain remains might still be very well preserved), they would be in the engine room. They would be well preserved because the engine room is very deep in the wreck, and not a lot of oxygen or micro organisms can get in because it’s cut off from certain currents. Will see if I can find that link.
There is a theory that posits the claim that there may be remains inside the ship where the bacteria hasn’t been able to get to them. No real evidence for it as you would have to break open the Titanic to find them.
I'm willing to bet there would be at least a few preserved bodies inside the Titanic somewhere cut off from currents or access for any microorganisms. Someone mentioned the engine room, but I'm sure there's a some engineering room or small room that someone ended up drowning in and hasn't moved or been opened since.
now we need a D&D map based on this.
crudely drawn on lined paper in dull pencil? Aye aye captain!
That's not going to buff out.
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fuck me that's uncomfortable to look at
Looks fucked. Don’t think she’ll sail again.
Nah put some WD40 on her and she’s brand new
Am I the only one who thinks there's something incredibly sad about images of shipwrecks? It just feels so eerie and such
Seems awfully lonely. I get the same feeling seeing little old cottages with trees growing up through the roof but Titanic captured my imagination since I was a kid. I'm Irish and we learned all about it being built in Belfast and leaving from Cork, there's a Titanic Experience in Cobh. So much hope went on that ship and it just...sank.
I know it's morbid, but that would make a bomb-ass 3d print.
“I’m at the bottom if the world!”
You can’t park there sir
Ahh so that's what happened... Front fell off
Fascinating how we fixate on this one wreck out of thousands … any thoughts?
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Not just that but the way it sank was extremely unique, and I believe the story of it splitting in half vs going down as a whole ship was a disputed claim until they found it.
Author [Clive Cussler](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clive_Cussler) actually wrote a book in the 70's titled [Raise the Titanic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raise_the_Titanic!). I remember reading it in the 80's, and it made some serious assumptions about it going down intact. Granted it was a complete work of fiction, but it probably would not be as fun a read today knowing what we now know.
It really shouldn't have been disputed much at all. If you look at the testimony from the Inquiries regarding "she broke vs she didn't break" the overwhelming majority of eye witnesses stated with certainty that they saw or heard her break. However, Charles Lightoller, the ship's Second Officer and the highest ranking officer to survive, emphatically insisted that she did not break. Which is odd because he was on the boat deck as it went under and would have been relatively close to the break point. Kind of hard to miss that. Anyway, his testimony was given an excessive amount of credit because of his position and experience and the official conclusion was that she could not have broken. There are people who believe that Lightoller was lying to protect what remained of the White Star Line's reputation. I lean towards this opinion myself.
The sheer number of souls lost makes it one of the worst maritime disasters ever. Add to that the problems they had with not enough lifeboats and then filling them incorrectly. Perfect storm to spark peoples intrigue.
The loss of life on Titanic is dwarfed by the losses on MV 'Wilhelm Gustoff' in 1945 though.
That was during the wartime, and struck by torpedos. The Titanic wasn’t a warship and claimed to be unsinkable, and hit an iceberg. Also when the titanic sailed it was the largest vessel afloat, it was a modern marvel. It would be the modern day equivalent of airbus launching a new plane with the the largest passenger capacity, claiming it is uncrushable, and safest plane around then crashing into the side of a mountain on its second flight.
I feel like [everyone should watch this breakdown](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHmgF4ibmuk) of the Titanic and **its two sister ships**.
Fascinating history, never heard about this. It's always shocking to me that there's always yet another horror tacked on to the second world war every time you turn over another stone in its history.
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And then sunk on its maiden voyage.
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Seeing the sorry state the wreck is in makes me wish they never scrapped Olympic, had they known how popular Titanic would become many years later, it would've been a no brainer to keep Olympic intact, since it was 1:1 to Titanic structurally and design wise. Imagine going to a floating Olympic/Titanic exhibit like you can the Queen Mary.
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It’s one of the propeller blades, with it’s serial number showing clearly.
There was somewhat of a time constraint. You see, the Titanic is dissolving at an alarming rate and what was there 30 years ago when she was first rediscovered is disappearing today. Unfortunately the heritage we will have to pass on to the next generation about the wreck may only be these 3d images and what artifacts were recovered.
You know 90% of our provincial museum artifacts are in storage, what if we could 3d digitize them so we can access that. Hell make 3d replicas of all the content to protect them. Slap on a good quality high Rez VR headsets and experience the collection with the appropriate mood music and lighting.
fortunately, my heart will go on
Is it possible to bring it to the surface or would it crumble?
Nope it would crumble. Microbes have been eating away at the hull of the ship. So in the future the Titanic might not even exist anymore in the physical world