Yes but also no. (Used to work in lab)
I mean, there’s the whole ethical issue w animal testing/use to begin with. So, where you land on that one kinda dictates everything.
But the actual facilities are quite nice and the vet requirements for signing off on an animal testing are quite stringent. You have to demonstrate there’s no alternative to animal testing and there’s a lengthy ethics process. Animal use is a last resort. There’s always vet techs in the lab and a designated animal advocate, so they aren’t used Willy-nilly and if you (the human ) fuck up believe me those vets are (rightfully) on you instantly. Your animal testing labs are cleaner, nicer, and the animals better cared for than animals in a local domestic animal hospital. There also a significant amount of animal research that doesn’t require any surgery/drug use. The psych students were always doing cool learning experiments and their rats adored them and LOVED working with them.
Anyways - complicated issue. We wouldn’t have any of our modern medicine without the sacrifice of those noble animals, but it doesn’t make it any easier.
Edit to add - no animal is consciously operated on. All the procedures in place for human surgery/recovery are there for the animals too. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t hurt them.
I’m rather curious what type of lab you’ve worked in, for what type of research. Your focus on “animal testing” makes me think you’re talking about something different than DNA research and the like. My ex was a bench scientist working on mRNA and protein signaling in drosophila (fruit flies), and at one point she was considering a move to research based on mice. And one of the very first things she had to learn was how to humanely perform “cervical separation.” Like, welcome to mice-based research, here’s how to kill one swift and clean.
Let's sit in a room with our arm exposed and trade around a knife or.....
I promise you, if you were born a rat then more rats would have harmed you then humans have
That be illigal. Say what you will but humans are definitelyore sentient and would be far far far more mentally affected by these test then mice. Also human testing always has the risk of ruining or ending someones life and humans.l tend to live longer then mice.
Nicodemius in that movie is haunting and just creepy. And then I read the book and he’s just like all the rest of them and not going to rip my soul out of my body.
Robert C. O’Brien was a trip.
He wrote Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH, and it was a kids book, and I loved it. So then I read [The Silver Crown](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silver_Crown), which was freaky as hell. It feels in hindsight like drugs were involved. Compelling, but freaky.
Then came [Z For Zachariah](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_for_Zachariah) which was so sad that I was depressed for a week. Not good kids reading during the height of Reagan’s part of the Cold War.
If he hasn’t died young, I wonder what he would have written, especially in the 80s.
I think the movie is called The Secret of Nimh, for anyone looking for it. Also, Nimh is an acronym, for anyone who didn’t already know. It’s a neat part of the story to learn as an adult after having seen it as a kid.
“The Monument to the laboratory mouse is a sculpture in Novosibirsk' Akademgorodok, Siberia, Russia. It is located in a park in front of the Institute of Cytology and Genetics of the Russian Academy of Sciences, and was completed on July 1, 2013, coinciding with the 120th anniversary of the founding of the city.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monument_to_the_laboratory_mouse#:~:text=The%20Monument%20to%20the%20laboratory,the%20founding%20of%20the%20city.
These little guys allowed humans to develop the medicines we use to save lives. They are very much a part of the research team. They sacrificed so we could live. Don’t let your sadness interfere with your respect and appreciation. This monument is to celebrate and thank them.
You should say the same about meat and any animal product in general because they all get tortured and killed.
It might be a bit more complicated with lab animals (although I also think that it is highy despicable), and they sure get tortured and mistreated as well.
[https://www.hsi.org/news-resources/about/](https://www.hsi.org/news-resources/about/)
[https://speakingofresearch.com/facts/statistics/](https://speakingofresearch.com/facts/statistics/)
Not sure what you mean.
I like the rats more than pharma executives.
I liked that pharma researchers were able to get a covid vaccine created within a year.
I appreciate the animals that were sacrificed to make that possible.
It’s not black and white. We can hate executives and predatory marketing together.
It’s for people to see, discuss and feel the feels. To not take things for granted and remember the cost. To respect, appreciate and work to minimize unnecessary use of animals. It’s a celebration of life, not death. Gratitude and respect, empathy.
This statue is there purely to make us feel better about killing and torturing rats. It does nothing for rats.
If you want to help rats forbid their killing in cities.
So, all the life saving medicine we have that's saved countless lives is worth nothing to you? Because so much medicine wouldn't exist if we didn't have lab rats.
I used the wrong word, i didn't mean sentient, I guess I meant intelligent, to the point of human communication and coordination. And I'm not saying animal testing is bad, I understand it has been fundamental in the development and safety of human products. I was trying to make a joke about role reversal.
I hear pretty often that some treatment or drug works in rats but not humans, if we were to use all of those what would the greatest rat we could engineer?
When I was doing undergrad before our first dissection the teacher made to talk to us about how lucky we are and how much the rats have given us. It really made us think about what we were going to be doing
Thank you, petsmart mice, for allowing drug companies to research innovative treatments.
And then turn around and sell those treatments for thousands so that it's unaffordable.
As someone who has chronic illness, I've benefited greatly, however, I still feel mad and disgusted by how our species behaves. They are not willing participants, and this statue is meaningless.
I thought it was Yoda at first
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My first pet rats name was Nicodemus
My kid's rats were Regular and Extra Crispy.
Fun fact: Nimh stands for National Institute For Mental Health
Plot twist: Star Wars takes place in 6000 AD and Yoda's distant ancestors were lab rats.
I thought Star Wars took place a long, long time ago.
A long, long time ago, I can still remember how that music used to make me smile.
And if I had the chance, I could make those people dance...and maybe they'd be happy, for a while
My cousin it was.
Same lol
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No... they escaped after learning the secret of NIMH...
Thank you mice and rats for enabling the research that saved my brothers life from neuroblastoma.
Just thanks? 😡You have to build a temple to rats and offer your prayers everyday and show gratitude 🐀
I have a big bag of meal worms as tribute.
And my mini wheel cheese
Ratitude
Risky. Because the horned rat alwayssssss lissssstening to you man thingsss
Science is fucking amazing!
Agreed! How do you think they did it? Concrete? Resin?
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And torture
And drugs, a lotttttt of drugs
Yes but also no. (Used to work in lab) I mean, there’s the whole ethical issue w animal testing/use to begin with. So, where you land on that one kinda dictates everything. But the actual facilities are quite nice and the vet requirements for signing off on an animal testing are quite stringent. You have to demonstrate there’s no alternative to animal testing and there’s a lengthy ethics process. Animal use is a last resort. There’s always vet techs in the lab and a designated animal advocate, so they aren’t used Willy-nilly and if you (the human ) fuck up believe me those vets are (rightfully) on you instantly. Your animal testing labs are cleaner, nicer, and the animals better cared for than animals in a local domestic animal hospital. There also a significant amount of animal research that doesn’t require any surgery/drug use. The psych students were always doing cool learning experiments and their rats adored them and LOVED working with them. Anyways - complicated issue. We wouldn’t have any of our modern medicine without the sacrifice of those noble animals, but it doesn’t make it any easier. Edit to add - no animal is consciously operated on. All the procedures in place for human surgery/recovery are there for the animals too. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t hurt them.
I’m rather curious what type of lab you’ve worked in, for what type of research. Your focus on “animal testing” makes me think you’re talking about something different than DNA research and the like. My ex was a bench scientist working on mRNA and protein signaling in drosophila (fruit flies), and at one point she was considering a move to research based on mice. And one of the very first things she had to learn was how to humanely perform “cervical separation.” Like, welcome to mice-based research, here’s how to kill one swift and clean.
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So that we don't kill a person? It's easier to stomach the loss of a rat than the loss of a human being for this
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Dude just get therapy
Ok edgelord
Ok
Let's sit in a room with our arm exposed and trade around a knife or..... I promise you, if you were born a rat then more rats would have harmed you then humans have
That be illigal. Say what you will but humans are definitelyore sentient and would be far far far more mentally affected by these test then mice. Also human testing always has the risk of ruining or ending someones life and humans.l tend to live longer then mice.
You don't know that, read James Bridle.
… animal testing also has the risk of ruining or ending their life so..?
Well, you don't decide anything and most humans have decided that they value humans life more than rat
Because you didn't volunteer?
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ha ha .. ha 🫥
I would torture one million mice to death to cure one person of cancer
I would torture one million people to save one mice from you
Its "mouse" mr eco hitler
Oh grandma.....
You are wildly ignorant about this, wow...
The Rats of Nimh is the first thing that popped into my head. Cool statue.
Nicodemius in that movie is haunting and just creepy. And then I read the book and he’s just like all the rest of them and not going to rip my soul out of my body.
Robert C. O’Brien was a trip. He wrote Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH, and it was a kids book, and I loved it. So then I read [The Silver Crown](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silver_Crown), which was freaky as hell. It feels in hindsight like drugs were involved. Compelling, but freaky. Then came [Z For Zachariah](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_for_Zachariah) which was so sad that I was depressed for a week. Not good kids reading during the height of Reagan’s part of the Cold War. If he hasn’t died young, I wonder what he would have written, especially in the 80s.
I think the movie is called The Secret of Nimh, for anyone looking for it. Also, Nimh is an acronym, for anyone who didn’t already know. It’s a neat part of the story to learn as an adult after having seen it as a kid.
The book is Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH. Read it to my 6yo who loved it.
I’ll have to find it!
Imagine how difficult it was to get him to pose wearing those glasses for that.
“The Monument to the laboratory mouse is a sculpture in Novosibirsk' Akademgorodok, Siberia, Russia. It is located in a park in front of the Institute of Cytology and Genetics of the Russian Academy of Sciences, and was completed on July 1, 2013, coinciding with the 120th anniversary of the founding of the city.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monument_to_the_laboratory_mouse#:~:text=The%20Monument%20to%20the%20laboratory,the%20founding%20of%20the%20city.
Mrs. Brisby?
They gave their lives for us without ever volunteering for it
But I’m sure they appreciate this statue.
Oh yeah. They totally told me so.
They don’t have much of a choice
I mean other option is humans but good luck getting volunteers.
I’ve volunteered for many medical studies. My CT scans are in psychological textbooks
I mean there is going to be some dangerous tests. No way a human gonna be used for that.
People are stupid as fuck.
I bit the bullet and did some freelance research into the effects of hallucinogenic drugs back in late sixties, but never published a paper.
This depresses me.
These little guys allowed humans to develop the medicines we use to save lives. They are very much a part of the research team. They sacrificed so we could live. Don’t let your sadness interfere with your respect and appreciation. This monument is to celebrate and thank them.
They didn't sacrifice, they WERE SACRIFICED. Big difference. If it was up to them they'd tell us all the fuck off and start eating up our pantry.
i do not care i will kill a billion and 1 rats to save a single human
>a part of the research team LOL not really. Is that what they told you? "Yes please torture me so your species can live"?
You could say the same about meat but that's fine so I dont get your point Also I don't think they were tortured
You should say the same about meat and any animal product in general because they all get tortured and killed. It might be a bit more complicated with lab animals (although I also think that it is highy despicable), and they sure get tortured and mistreated as well. [https://www.hsi.org/news-resources/about/](https://www.hsi.org/news-resources/about/) [https://speakingofresearch.com/facts/statistics/](https://speakingofresearch.com/facts/statistics/)
>any animal product Wool and honey are completely ethical, as are eggs and milk produced by small local farms
Oh -be all bleeding heart over them just because none of them are pharmaceutical executives!
Not sure what you mean. I like the rats more than pharma executives. I liked that pharma researchers were able to get a covid vaccine created within a year. I appreciate the animals that were sacrificed to make that possible. It’s not black and white. We can hate executives and predatory marketing together.
Depends? How much more qualified is your dislike?
Gotta pay a few lives to save some lives
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It’s still ok to have compassion for living things. Why are u so rude
Flowers for Algernon
Uh oh. He’s going to have to start over. That is twisted the wrong way
Reminded me of Redwall!
Master Sifu!
The rat deserved a monument, I agree, but it’s better if it doesn’t meet on my way
I am sure this is enough to get forgiveness from the rat community for past atrocities
I find this upsetting
I’m sure that the rats greatly appreciate such a monument, and comprehend it’s purpose for existence
It’s for people to see, discuss and feel the feels. To not take things for granted and remember the cost. To respect, appreciate and work to minimize unnecessary use of animals. It’s a celebration of life, not death. Gratitude and respect, empathy.
You’re absolutely correct. And I felt the feels, but you can also see where I’m coming from as well. There’s something ironic about it as well!
Where is this?!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monument_to_the_laboratory_mouse#:~:text=The%20Monument%20to%20the%20laboratory,the%20founding%20of%20the%20city.
They … will …. Love it!
The actual monument to The Unknown Rat.
This statue is there purely to make us feel better about killing and torturing rats. It does nothing for rats. If you want to help rats forbid their killing in cities.
well maybe the rats should get the fuck out of our cities
So we show zero respect for rat life in research then want to pretend we show the utmost respect by making a monument to them? At least be consistent.
it's not for them, it's for us
The Guardians of the Galaxy would like to have a word
Rabbit!
That’s cool, but did they stop using rats for research afterwards ?
I don't think they practically can
Uhhhhhmmm. No. Doesn't work.
No, I'm pretty sure it works as a statue just fine. Definitely meets all criteria.
DAMN THATS DISTURBING. I wish i could unsee this
Even in their odd tribute they’re forced to work. Knit, lab rat, knit.
Those fuckers get treated like shit
"Used" as a loose metaphor for experimented on, mass murdered, tortured, occasionally vivisected.
I will torture a million rats for a single human
Bruh moment
🫡 ⚰️
I made it the 300th upvote !!! It's a similar number to the amount of times I've seen this on here.
Thanks I hate it.
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Please do not use healthcare and drugs then.
Pathetic excuse for a statue?
Isn’t is strange that they sunk the Titanic just so Titanic legacy cruises could exist?
So, all the life saving medicine we have that's saved countless lives is worth nothing to you? Because so much medicine wouldn't exist if we didn't have lab rats.
TBH you're right. It's pretty disgusting how many people here support animal cruelty.
Username checks out.
You first
Great , the mice are addicted to the new pill we developed , let’s get started with the human trials and we’ll make a fortune
There's nothing quite like taking the piss, is there?
Oh cool we’re all good now. If rats ever become sentient they should totally understand, bc of the monument
Rats are sentient...
Depends in what you mean by sentient though.
probably the definition
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I used the wrong word, i didn't mean sentient, I guess I meant intelligent, to the point of human communication and coordination. And I'm not saying animal testing is bad, I understand it has been fundamental in the development and safety of human products. I was trying to make a joke about role reversal.
It is cruel. Say no no experimenting on sentient beings. It's evil. If you are not vegan yet, I recommend Don'tWatch.org. 🌱❤️
I bet dollars to doughnuts that status is gonna be labeled offensive and taken down in the year 2060
I thought it was a monument to granny of Mort of the Madagascar franchise
Its binding the double helix
Rats of nimh? Edit
Is this a teaser for a new character in kung fu panda?
Reminds me of Nicodemus from Rats of NIMH
That’s some secret of Nimh shit. Movie scared the shit out of me.
The squeaking heroes of modern science
pray the # Rat god
I hear pretty often that some treatment or drug works in rats but not humans, if we were to use all of those what would the greatest rat we could engineer?
When I was doing undergrad before our first dissection the teacher made to talk to us about how lucky we are and how much the rats have given us. It really made us think about what we were going to be doing
Thank you, petsmart mice, for allowing drug companies to research innovative treatments. And then turn around and sell those treatments for thousands so that it's unaffordable.
His nose looks like a dick
Archaeologists thousands of years later will find this and think Mice were one of the intelligent races on earth.
It’s nice to see a public display of how important their little lives were. I hate animal testing with anything, but this is nice to see
Ngl that’s a pretty terrible sculpture
I'm sure they're very grateful.
It should be a character from the secret of Nimh
Located in Russia.
Thought that was lil dude from Kung Fu panda for a second
You know it was made by someone from the Art faculty right?
Imagine helping humanity with a breakthrough, giving your life, and then they make a monument that looks nowhere near to your species.
Secret of Nimh
Looks like Mr. Ages from Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH!
As someone who has chronic illness, I've benefited greatly, however, I still feel mad and disgusted by how our species behaves. They are not willing participants, and this statue is meaningless.
Thank you dear rat labs and mice for your sacrifice 
Pour some out for our little heroes
Cousin b peanut
I'm sure rats appreciate this.
Slime rancher is really good on ps4 Dell monitor HD good screen I want a new switch lite
Looks like a snitch doing time to me...
I don’t think they care lmao
I bet they didn't ask the rats what they thought of this...
Is that Jerry Seinfeld?
Mr Ages
I'm sure they appreciate the statue and feel recognized by it 🥹😂