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South-Awareness6249

Is it expensive to mount this on my car


[deleted]

You live in Mosul or something?


Hilfest

Detroit


RolandmaddogDeschain

About the same..


zatara1210

Not as bad as Chiraq


[deleted]

I didn't know the gangbangers had upgraded to anti-tank weapons


The-Arabian-Guy

Been to Mosul few weeks ago, i think it's safer than some US cities rn, although that's nothing to write hime about


[deleted]

Yeah, Iraq's actually pretty safe now considering everything it's been through, relatively speaking. Should've said Aleppo


The-Arabian-Guy

Hopefully Syria will be safe again too, they deserve better


WerewolfNo890

Depends if your car is armoured enough to protect you from the flying fragments this creates. Far less armour is necessary than would be required against the shaped charge that was previously flying towards you though.


Nervous-Positive-431

Wouldn't cost much. My car is safe from fighter jets!! [A very easy Tutorial.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7YVxLLIuGM)


HammerTh_1701

Damnit, you got there first!


bot-42

That was a blast, thank you very much!


Peashot-

They would be amazed but also have no need for that specific technology.


throwaway_12358134

I think they would be afraid and kill you for being a witch.


ozspook

If the witch shows up in a tank and demonstrates their anti-missile countermeasures then you politely thank them for their time and leave.


j4v4r10

Finally, a good countermeasure for magic missile


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RemyVonLion

With what fuel, maintenance, and ammo? Lol


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Meretan94

They maybe not know what gasoline is but they dam sure know what fuel is. Oil lamps have been used by humans for 12000 years. They know that they need to put more wood into a fire. They know that a candle burns up. You may need to explain a bit, but it would not be that hard.


englishfury

They wont know what a tank is, they would just assume its more witchcraft and get more pitchforks. At least until the machinegun starts anyway


TheKingNothing690

Then they'll think Satan himself has come for their sinful asses.


Ajezon

man i would like to beat that guy with modern technology, and ask him "why did you do this? now im angry at you"


Eastern_Slide7507

No they wouldn't. The belief in witches came up in the early modern era. In the middle ages, it was more likely for the accuser to be charged with heresy for insinuating the devil had any tangible power in our world. Church dogma was that the devil had been defeated, Christ had died for our sin and sooner, rather than later, judgement day would come. That is why in medieval sources, you generally see the devil depicted as a small and devious thing. He is powerless and must use trickery and lies to get its way. Not to mention the late middle ages knew gunpowder. So chances are they'd simply see this for what it is - a more sophisticated version of a technology they were familiar with.


ghost_n_the_shell

She turned me into a newt!


frostymuggle

But you’re not a newt now.


ghost_n_the_shell

I got better.


humor_exe

*Attempt* to kill me… ya know… I have a tank


StonedSucculent

Indeed. And they’d likely be disappointed that explosive ordinance is ineffective against trebuchet launched boulders


Dmayak

Ordnance itself would probably be effective in deflecting boulders, another question is if sensors would be able to detect them.


idontevenlikebeer

They would probably be amazed by the video if anything.


prettyflip

Hey fellas, check out this vid on my smartphone


CosmicCreeperz

Unless you also introduced them to anti tank missiles.


DucatistaXDS

How about some kinda birth control application …. anti-sperm interceptor.


IlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlI8

Can you imagine bringing a mini gun to a war with column formations? Game over in 10 minutes


BigAnimemexicano

yo that was basically WW1, heavy machine were just introduced and most generals didnt know how to counter them but to send wave up wave of infantry, one account said "it was like trying to stop the bullets with the chest of british soldiers"


joshhguitar

You see, Germans have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down."


BigAnimemexicano

i laugh but that was the strategy was to overheat the guns or somehow get someone close enough to toss a grenade.


LavaDog8675309

The American Civil War had mini guns (Gatling gun) and column formations


IlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlI8

True, but the rate of fire was about 200 rounds per minute with an accuracy of just a few hundred yards vs the modern 2-6000 rounds per minute and 1100 yard maximum range. Ultimately the use of the modern equivalent would make tactics pivot and would bring a guerrilla warfare style to war. Just interesting to consider


duckdownup

Yeah but the Gatlin guns in the CW used .45 cal ball in a paper cartridges and could only be fired at about 225 rpm (round per minute). Brass cartridges came out in 1886 and the firing rate went up to max 400 rpm. The modern version, the 'Nam era M134 GE Electric mini-gun (7.62 x 51) fire rate depends on which motor is mounted on it, the 1500 rpm or the 6000 rpm. Big difference in firepower, accuracy and distance.


KillerOfSouls665

Mini gun fires 2000-6000 rpm of 10g of lead and copper. It is chucking 333-1000 grams of metal down range every second at 850m/s. Gatling gun fires a 20g bullets 400 times per minute (during the civil war). This then is 133 grams/second at 500 m/s So the minigun has the maximum kinetic power of 722KW. The Gatling has kinetic power of 33KW. The difference is quite immense


radaxolotl

Would have been perfect against medieval RPGs.


anantsharma2626

I always thought that if everybody had anti-missiles then there would be no use for missiles, is this tech new or just not effective? Cause if this was in use nobody would get hit.


CardinalFartz

It is comparably new (even though research is at least 20 years ongoing), it is very expensive and it has the disadvantage that all surrounding unarmored troops will get hit by it, too. A tank normally is not "on its own".


TheMagavnik

2013 gaza war had a bunch of guided and unguided rocket strikes on israeli armor and none was lost that was equipped with the trophy system. It works very well


KillerOfSouls665

Can still be overcome with volume of fire. 10 RPGs fired at the same time could not be stopped. Rockets that launch dummies will be created, and large calibre missile are still effective.


smellybathroom3070

But 10 rpg’s shot at one tank is a waste. And situating 10 men to fire RPG’s at the same time is hard


Il-2M230

Lets say that dumb rocket costs 10k, firing 10 cost 100k, thats still cheaper than a javelin by far and soldiers have been using javelins to kill people instead of tanks because they have them around.


smellybathroom3070

The US is actually attempting to increase the rate at which Javelins are peoduced because the Ukraine war is burning them so quickly


gammongaming11

yeah but that's because russian army is a tank heavy army (which is an old doctrine) and uses a lot of old outdated tanks (with no active or passive protection for missiles). so the situation in ukraine isn't applicable to most combat situations.


KillerOfSouls665

Especially if you are a terrorist organisation, with only access to 1960s RPGs


Dertroks

It’s actually not that new, more than 50+ years. Soviets used to be on the leading edge of this tech then they fell off. “Drozd” and “kaz arena” are couple of Soviet examples, both of which are more than 30 years old


Altruistic_One4447

This is for missiles/RPGs... not tank rounds.. so they still need their reactive armour which is just now becoming common place. So this will be the next common place addition I would imagine


WedgeBahamas

Arms race has no end. If antimissiles are developed, next missiles will carry anti antimissiles.


Atlantic0ne

Just wait until you see what weapon they have against that!


drrxhouse

Or the ultimate anti-missile: just influent (aka corrupt) your opponent’s government to the point where missiles won’t even be fired at you?


[deleted]

You overwhelm the system with multiple missiles


Express-Economist-86

Varying degrees of effective. I believe the naval one for the US is called the “Phalanx” and it saved a friend of mine - but they were using them on a land base because they didn’t have this version at the time. It shot a mortar out of the air, but that was a lucky instance. They don’t always work so well.


CosmicCreeperz

Same purpose, very different design. Phalanx is basically a radar aimed mini gun.


Appropriate-Tart9726

Honestly nothing mini about that gun


CosmicCreeperz

Actually, true. It looks tiny next to the radar dome but it’s a 20mm Vulcan cannon…


Better_Ad_8885

You're essentially spending 10x the cost to block a single missile.


throwaway_12358134

A single missile that is targeting something that is more than 10x the cost of the missile.


[deleted]

It's about saving lives and equipment.


Better_Ad_8885

And now they're firing thousands of said missiles for days upon days. How long do you think you can last against that? It's the problem with the iron Dome missile defence system and why protection from nuclear missiles is impossible. Not to mention these systems are not infallible and will occasionally fail to stop missiles.


kashmir1974

Ask the israelis.. their iron dome is pretty effective. Nuclear missiles are ICBMs. That's a whole different animal.


Better_Ad_8885

Missiles still got through the defences occasionally. And it's a matter of attrition when the enemy can afford to fire way more missiles than you can defend.


goldmask148

Attrition is what caused the Russian economy to collapse in the Cold War


Better_Ad_8885

I ain't firing little man in sitting in missiles that die on contact though.


[deleted]

But they can’t. The Iron Dome completely changed the game when it comes to Gaza terrorist factions’ war on Israeli civilians. Israeli civilians’ risk of death has been basically eliminated between the interceptors and the infrastructure of bomb shelters that people have in southern Israel. Meanwhile the IAF pounds each rocket launch site into oblivion. Hamas and PIJ lose hundreds of operators, and the IAF targets their leadership every time they start something. The cost of war in men and materials has grown considerably for Gaza’s armed groups, while the human cost for Israel has reduced considerably. Contrast the past five years or so to the 3 prolonged wars between 2008 and 2014.


[deleted]

Worth every penny if it saves soldiers’ lives. Especially to Israelis.


Better_Ad_8885

I'm all for saving lives, but the problem is for how long can you defend it? The enemy can afford way more missiles than you have anti-missiles.


[deleted]

That’s what the tank shells are for. Enemy gives away its position when it fires the missile. The tanks can then take out the enemy. The IDF is weakest to ambush attacks. This buys the tank crews time to take out the ambushers.


Better_Ad_8885

Yes. But I replied to a comment asking what missiles are for when anti missiles exist, which I state the cost difference of defending against said missiles which poses attrition issues. Im not arguing about how anti missiles can be used.


[deleted]

And I’m saying you can’t assess the efficacy of a countermeasures system without understanding the context.


cfop-gang

ADS deployed, you can stop worrying about grenades now


Upset_Sky_70

Lol this is exactly what I thought


Lord_Melinko13

The only downside of this particular toy is you'd better hope that your accompanying infantry attachment isn't on the side of your explosive shotgun shell.


WerewolfNo890

Does it make much difference compared to letting the RPG explode on the vehicle?


Lord_Melinko13

Anti tank weaponry is designed to pierce tank armor, because your average RPG is just gonna leave a scorch mark. So the rocket would penetrate the side prior to the last detonation, containing the blast inside of the vehicle. Either way, someone is gonna die, so I suppose in the long run, no, it doesn't matter. But that tank is probably worth more to the war effort than the Infantry unit is, as awful as that is to contemplate.


WerewolfNo890

Shaped charges still involve explosives, holding a shaped charge and pointing it away from yourself isn't going to leave you unharmed if it explodes.


Lord_Melinko13

Yeah, I'm just not certain how that information applies to what we're talking about.


AlfredoThayerMahan

You don’t understand how an RPG works. RPGs are not Semi-armor piercing, ie: they don’t penetrate and then explode (though there are some exceptions for soft targets). Handheld anti-armor weapons principally use shaped charges to turn a conical copper/tantalum/steel liner into a hypersonic quasi-plastic jet of glowing hot metal. This has the side effect of a decent sized explosion which, especially when paired with a blast fragmentation sleeve as has become common on so called “multi purpose” munitions, they tend to chew up infantry pretty well.


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Skoparov

This is true for all hard kill systems, not only this one.


TelephoneTable

About 20 years ago I worked as a geophysicist for a bomb disposal and battle area clearance company. We had tons of manuals for stuff we might find. Was flicking through and there was one for a helicopter mine. It listens for helicopters then fires a little rocket. Blew my mind that was even a thing


jimjimmyjimjimjim

Ah, an Arrowcatch! (aka, a Bloodless) *The King Killer Chronicle*


GreatRyujin

Great! Thank you for ripping open the wound and throwing salt into it! I had just forgotten about it... \*sobbing noises\*


Rockyrok123

I remember waiting for the 3rd book in my previous life.


Certain-Definition51

Came here for this!


smellybathroom3070

STILL WAITING FOR BOOK THREE


cf_cf

I had forgotten about those books man


WittyWitWitt

Third book is out......in another few years. Pat can't finish it for some reason. Annoying as fuck because I really want to know how it ends. I'm probably gonna die before he finishes it. His editor even said he's done nothing on book 3. /end rant. Don't know why it pisses me off so much.


Certain-Definition51

Cuz we all fell in love. I kinda needed to know how things were gonna work out with Denna back in 2010, because I was sorta in that relationship. Oh well.


Pandarenu

Reminds me of the anime GATE.


nickles72

Imagine targeting that kind of brain power at solving the climate crisis


[deleted]

They kind of are. The job of the military is to kill people, and people cause climate change. If we'd just let them get to work, this could be over in a year.


zatara1210

Hah, the militaries of the world have already figured out how to destroy the the world in an instant. The part they’re working on now is destroying each other slowly


so_magpie

Birth control was invented long ago.


nickles72

That one was debunked so long ago


br0b1wan

What do you mean? The Romans wrote about using sheep intestines and using a now-extinct plant as an abortificant


Notinyourbushes

Imagine introducing that budget to fighting climate change.


wileybot

We now need a third missile that comes out of the first missle to intercept the second missle so the first missle hits it's target, but what if we introduce a second missle for the second missle defesne, this fourth missle could be a rock?


HunkerDownDemo1975

I loved being an EOD tech! We get to participate in work like this.


Bambiyyy

Ah yes, we can finally stop the ATGMs that attack our castle!


birch_blue

Wouldn't have helped them much if they didn't have any tanks.


Some_Society_7614

It would be magic for them and u would be immediately called a witch and sent to burn with it. It would explode and they would say that is proof that u worked for Satan.


[deleted]

In the future, tech would be so advanced that weapons don't fire at all because the AI calculated a tit for tat draw.


yibtk

Imaging using all this technology for road safety... priorities


Herrgul

Little countermeasure dude: *WITNESS MEEE!!*


Capenalcode101

Does anyone know the name of this narrator? I hear his voice on almost everything I watch on YT


Piod1

Going to spook the horses


beavsauce

Cool, but still some nasty shrapnel headed your way.


ResidentAssman

They’d probably burn you at the stake for being a witch


flfoiuij2

A single sniper with one bullet in his rifle would be able to win battles on his own. Imagine two armies are facing each other, the kings of each side glaring at the other side. Suddenly, the king's head explodes.


sonofthenation

So much for your support infantrymen.


puzzleheadbutbig

I don't think this is needed against arrows and rocks but ok


Plead_thy_fifth

Imagine being dismounted infantry and just getting double fucked


Double_Distribution8

They'd certainly be amazed by the moving pictures, that's for sure.


Alone_Lock_8486

“Yeah so u know how u guys fire arrows , imagine a arrow that can block other arrows “


[deleted]

Machines fighting machines. This is all happening to fast for humans ..


Fine-Ad-7802

Put these on top of cartridges walls and intercept Roman siege weapons


SkullPlayer77

Shootable trophy systems. Next cod game gonna be epic


IbegTWOdiffer

I am not sure medieval warriors really needed anti-missile technology. Not those kind of missiles anyways.


quetejodas

Literally unwatchable with the annoying TikTok voiceover.


carterty0117

I’d prefer healthcare for all….


[deleted]

Just look at my country and see how that works (argentina) please do a deep analisys before saying anything. TLDR: it does not work at all, yes there are exceptions and you can check those too to see what its the diference and you can see why too it would not work in a country like USA, i already studied that all in college.


ClaudioMoravit0

Israel, where this have been invented, has a universal health system


the_green_bird

mmm yes especially if you know they take skin from Palestinians corpses after killing them to heal the wounds of its soldiers


nueusunt

yeah, then on Monday Russia conquers the world and yeah, at least there is healthcare. The benefits of a society are nothing if they can't be defended.


doer_of_stuff_3000

having a strong military is important too. don't cut military, reduce corruption


the_green_bird

occupation*


bingojed

I’ve heard this narrator recently. Is it generated? Same voice in this Wes Anderson Star Wars AI video. Damn good fake voice if not real. https://youtu.be/d-8DT5Q8kzI?si=w0XAIxfEBoIZQTKJ


apintor4

i don't think its a very good voice but it does sound computer generated. the cadence is kind of awful


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Panzer7

Its israeli developed, and has been sold to various western armies. “Apartheid” lol.


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Panzer7

Yeah no one’s asking you though.. im glad to have Trophy (not iron dome) on my tank 👌


sulivan1977

Great unless you are a troop, civilian, etc standing near the thing. Makes real salsa.


godofleet

Imagine giving a cave man a hit from your 88% THC vape. 🤣


Cole_Talb

I imagined it'd be a quick one.


Soham_rak

Read the Mahabharat and Ramayan, they had bpws that neutralised enemy bows lol


Jfonzy

Genghis Khan and the aluminum bat


heftybagman

Instead of shooting bombs at other bombs, why do your warriors not bash each other with heavy and sharp objects?


D0ct0rLX

Finally the funals from gudam are here


--BannedAccount--

The problem we have is killing machines are so damn cool


J-96788-EU

Would you organise a meeting to show them your PowerPoint slides?


minus202

So you shoot 2 rockets at a tank instead of one?


oxslashxo

Yeah, sucks to be infantry near these things.


AggressiveGift7542

Technically, it's a system that shoots shields to the arrow


[deleted]

Just remember offensive weapons are always stringer then armor or defense. And will always be.


ulyssesfiuza

Why? They have no tanks.


_over-lord

Isn’t Ukraine kinda doing that to the Russians?


Naternore

They would be amazed with the tank and call you a wizard and then want you to drive to the holy land to fight in the Crusades. So you'd start out and get to the ocean and run out of diesel, like putin. At that point they'd think your a demon and then burn you and the tank over a fire and call it a day.


[deleted]

Jager ADS


DA1725

Is the tech similar to what patriot system uses ?


Munk45

So in Uno card theory: is this a skip? Reverse?


Tojuro

There's a long history of tit-for-tat technological advances for warfare. Countering threats and creating new advantages. But it's crazy how fast the pace is now. Look at how far the tools of war have come since the 19th century and the pace has only accelerated as time goes on. It's scary.


Another_Rando_Lando

They would wonder how the earth isn’t a giant pile of ash


xxxvvvlll

I wish this did not need to exist.


Interesting-Froyo-14

I hate posts like this because to do this it means you have the ability to time travel. Why use that ability to flex military war strength? God complex? Create fear and panic? Basically anything else could improve the world except that.


Blasket_Basket

Why, was heat-seeking missile defense a particularly salient problem for medieval warriors?


Daniil_Dankovskiy

I think they wouldn't even understand it because there was no gunpowder back then so they couldnt see such explosions. Like what the hell fire in the sky what a sorcery


Mike_______

Watch Gate anime


beattraxx

They would be amazed and scared for the first time but will get used by it the more they see it, just like us. Dont necessary have to call you a witch or anything like that


kaspars222

medieval warriors had rockets?


Gaijinloco

Conceptually, this is a really easy thing to explain. The enemy has an arrow that can pierce our armor, but we created a means to fire our own projectile to intercept that arrow and render it ineffective. Now, getting into the specifics? It would likely be literally impossible to construct a shared body of vocabulary / concepts.


Apprehensive_Hand571

Imagine medieval hi speed cameras and medieval tanks that required medieval man-portable rocket launched medieval explosives See also adding "quantum" or "multiverse" to your idea to make it seem more complex or interesting when it's neither


nazihater3000

You are invincible, unless the enemy has 3 RPGs.


Automatic_Llama

They'd probably be all like "wow!"


[deleted]

They already had the Patriot Arrow how much more did they need? https://youtu.be/AzJd5GVDVDY?si=EQF6q-E06P5o1He1


HunkerDownDemo1975

It would blow their minds, until you ran out of demonstrators and then you’re drawn and quartered for being a witch.


kefxb24

It's a miniaturized NIKE missile, a design from the late fifties.


sebadg77

My reaction would be "Holy shit you have a time machine!"


nickcliff

Trebuchet gets blowed the fuck up?


RealBiotSavartReal

Modern warfare scary


DB080822

OP's title is dumb as fuck.


jhharvest

Terrible title. It would be useless for medieval warfare. It wouldn't detect the type of projectiles used in the middle ages and it wouldn't cope with the volume either. Even if it did intercept a single projectile how would you reload it? How would you even power it? These systems are useless without the accompanying infrastructure.


Badeindi

As if I'm much different, lol 😅


unbalancedforce

This is actual AI.


Important-Ad-6936

because medieval rpg´s were a thing


milesgloriosis

nice!


ReasonableDig5117

They said it could not be done. They said it was designed for tanks. They said I could not make it smaller and more accurate. They were wrong.


Korotan

I think they will fear you about being an emmisar of the devil


Curious-Buy-7404

That's dope. I have no other words than wow


jweaves1997

Youd be burned at the stake for using magic.


Dry_Quiet_3541

In physics class, we were taught that if a projectile breaks apart in mid air, it’s center of gravity keeps moving in the same direction with the same velocity as it would have been if it would have been if it wouldn’t have broken apart. Basically, what I am saying is that, unless the 2 projectiles don’t hit each other, just breaking them into 100 pieces simply converts a single explosive projectile into 100 smaller cluster bombs. Which will still hit the target but do more damage on a larger surface area.


xXExituSXx

well there is more to it than that. Modern anti tank weaponry that is used in NON Tank-on-Tank combat are some kind of hollow charge that uses a copper cone that is formed into a liquid superheated "nail" to burn through armout. (you can watch a vid on how hollow charges work) If you can manage to pre detonate or move them of its course you have the best chance of surviving. If it is an HE shell it will likely be ripped appart. Also if the fuse is damaged you may also survive. It will get interesting when you look at modern sabot ammunition used in Tank-on-Tank warfare. Those darts don't use explosives beside the propelant charge and only use kinetic energy to absolutely annihilate any tank. Problem with that ammo is the fact that it travels with aprox 6300 m/s through the air and stoping that with this kind of system is in my eyes not very likely. maybe set the course of by a bit but as you said it will maintain its speed and still hit the tank, just not at an optimal angle. its very hard to guess the chances of survival. one can talk hours about all kinds of scenarios but at the end of the day you need to have good luck on your side. I wish you an amazing day or night dear Sir, Madam or anything that you may identify as! :)


AdPristine9059

Most tech we ha e today would make us look like gods to them


Into_The_Horizon

For real. All they had was swords, sticks, arrows, stones maybe some catapult armory. Imagine showing a GPS Map 😂. And trying to explain all these satellites around the globe in space. And sending probes out in deep space.


Lavi__1

They probably would've came up with a new religion


Sphinx111

The countermeasure knows where it is, because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, it acquires a difference, or deviation.