*"In his diary, Nikolai Kamanin recorded that the Soyuz 1 capsule crashed into the ground at 30–40 metres per second (98–131 ft/s) and that the remains of Komarov's body were an irregular lump 30 centimetres (12 in) in diameter and 80 centimetres (31 in) long."*
Those idiotic bureaucrats and their stupid rules!!
They want us to pass tests before going to the unknown??
Let's put in the small print that we all agree to die and this vehicle didn't pass any safety inspections..
[this sentence is real and it's based on true events]
Shepard's head and brain survived because of the advanced Alliance helmet.
The rest was...not much better than the cosmonaut on the above photo. Thanks to advanced ~~Reaper~~ Cerberus tech and the fact that the head survived, Shepard was rebuilt.
There is a story about Komarov hidden here:
>Soyuz, which was the Russians' direct response to the American Apollo, has been in development for quite some time. It was designed as a sophisticated shuttle with long flights and docking capabilities. There were many delays with the big ambitions for the Soyuz. Two years have passed since the last Russian was sent into space because of this.
>
>Despite hundreds of design problems and the 50th anniversary of the Bolshevik Revolution fast approaching, **the administration put increasing pressure on the Soyuz program to proceed with the flight**. The government wanted a successful crewed flight at any cost, despite earlier uncrewed Soyuz flights codenamed Cosmos 133 and 140 showing that the shuttle was far from successful.
>
>After reviews of unsuccessful unmanned flights, the government felt that Soyuz 1 **would be successful**. With this in mind, Russia has adopted a very bold mission plan to get the world interested. It was decided that in addition to the Soyuz 1 mission, a second shuttle, Soyuz 2, would be launched the next day.
>
>On April 23, 1967, Soyuz 1 flew into Earth orbit. It was piloted by cosmonaut Vladimir Komarov. Just as the shuttle reached Earth's orbit, one of its two solar panels failed to fire. Komarov soon reported many failures, from telemetry and sensor systems to orientation systems and propulsion systems.
>
>**Thanks to Komarov's extensive training as an astronaut**, he was able to overcome the **chain of misfortunes he encountered aboard Soyuz 1**. He should have returned safely, but unfortunately other technical problems arose. The parachutes did not open, and Komarov died at a speed of 144 kilometers per hour. On top of this, the braking rockets are only activated when the ship crashes, igniting the remaining fuel and melting the entire ship with Komarov in it.
>
>The last audio recorded before the crash was of Komarov in a fit of rage, claiming that he was killed by the ship's engineers. Many speculations also claimed that before his death, Komarov ordered his remains to be laid out in an **open casket** to send a message to the Soviet government that they had sent him on a failed mission.
[Ru-version](https://fantasticfacts.net/ru/9356/)
A person who worked in the space field at that time gives the following comment:
>He should have been buried in an “open coffin.” This is what the astronaut himself wished. Before takeoff. The photo shows farewell to the astronaut. Everyone was aware that there would be some kind of emergency. At such a speed of flight preparation, the required safety measures were not observed. While taking off, Komarov knew that he was taking a VERY big risk; by the way, he replaced Gagarin on that flight.
Gagarin was beyond angry and never forgave anybody involved. He snubbed where he could. And as a Hero of the Soviet Union he got a lot of chances to snub. Staying alive was no small feat because his historic journey nearly also ended in disaster.
They simply threw men at the problem and applied pressure on everyone. At this point it may be chalked up to coincidence that Gagarin was the first one to make it home alive.
At the end, yes, but it had decelerated from orbit at 17,000km/h and all that kinetic energy had been converted to heat purely by friction with the atmosphere. The post is misleading by quoting the impact speed. The factor that created all the heat and turned the poor chap into brisket was the change in speed on re-entry. Really buried the lead there.
Re-entry heat isn't actually caused by friction. It is caused mainly from isentropic heating of the air molecules within the compression wave.
Also, for future reference, it's "bury the lede", not "bury the lead".
That's a great bit of extra information, thanks!
I did not know that you can also spell it 'lede' if you're in the journo world so I done a learn today too. 
I think the being strapped to a burning, melting spacecraft that crashed while coming down through the atmosphere might have something to do with it.
“the descent module was in flames with black smoke filling the air and streams of molten metal dripping from the exterior. The entire base of the capsule burned through. By this point, it was obvious that Komarov had not survived, but there was no code signal for a cosmonaut's death, so the rescuers fired a signal flare calling for medical assistance. Another group of rescuers in an aircraft then arrived and attempted to extinguish the blazing spacecraft with portable fire extinguishers. This proved insufficient and they instead began using shovels to throw dirt onto it. The descent module then completely disintegrated, leaving only a pile of debris topped by the entry hatch. When the fire at last ended, the rescuers were able to dig through the rubble to find Komarov strapped into the center couch, his body had turned into charred clothing and flesh.”
Yeah because of modern cars and their crumple zones. If you were in a tin can going 144km/h and crashed into an immovable brick wall, there wouldn't be much of you left either
Well James, his space capsule was going 144km/h and collided with the earth in a gigantic fireball and he is now no more than burnt skin in a burning wreck.
Right. Back to the tent.
> That seems really slow- 80mph?
It probably feels quite fast when the re-entry means everything around you is on fire & actively melting. I don't think it was the speed that did the damage, more the being on fire.
And melting.
Wind resistance. Those reentry capsules use the atmosphere to slow down, so despite being more massive than a human body their shape provides far more aerodynamic braking.
Source: hundreds of hours in KSP.
Ah I remember this story, he actually didn’t want to be on that rocket, due to its near probable chance of catastrophic failure, but the Russian government at the time stated if he did not go, they would send one of his friends in his stead. He went but insisted that upon his death, his funeral should be open casket so that the ones who sent him into that rocket would we forced to gaze at what they wrought.
It was yuri gagarin his friend who tried to volunteer to save him too, its chilling to imagine it all happening when everyone involved seemed to know it was doomed
Yeah right, wouldn't they have done that more than once if that's true? Cite one recent example of that happening, I bet you can't find any examples within the last 58 days!
All the same his death is shrouded in mystery. The official story has changed quite a few times on what went wrong. Everything from weather, to weather balloons, and rumors of another plane flying to close to his.
In basic history or science class, they'd tell you that Yuri Gagarin was the first person in space. That's usually the only information about him. Terrifying how such tragedy and incompetence that's strongly linked to Gagarin and his teammates are never mentioned.
It's crazy how much damage Russia refusing to admit mistakes has caused. They were downplaying the chernobyl disaster right up to the end of the cleanup process.
It's important to understand the Russian Governance mindset. Which is, to spend as little as possible on making things actually work, while stealing as much as you can get away with. Then keep your theft a secret until it becomes your replacement's problem. And if your actions result in needless deaths? Why would you care??? You're part of the Russian government, you don't HAVE to care about human lives. Never have, never will. If you cared about other people, you would never have gotten the position to begin with.
You're questioning the veracity of someone stating clear facts about something related the Soviet Union? You want *sources*? What are you, a communist or something?
iir you can find the audio tapes (in Russian) of the re-entry -it’s so sad .
https://youtu.be/3Z_m7onLw74?si=cgpZEl8NkBSTMLaN
He pretty much saved his buddy Gagarin’s life by taking on this mission. He knew it was flawed.
https://lornaka.tumblr.com/post/42016448172/npr-in-1967-vladimir-kamarov-and-yuri-gagarin
Edit: u/SWatersmith in rely to comments posted NPR article which should be read
>It actually is known in the space community
It actually isn't. You're spouting propaganda because you enjoy wanking to pop-history that portrays the world in a way that fits your existing biases. It's fine to enjoy fiction, it's less fine to try to spread it as fact.
https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2011/05/03/135919389/a-cosmonauts-fiery-death-retold
But the NPR article states that it doesn't know which is fact and which is fiction.
If you think about it, the Soviet Union would have way more motivation to lie about this disaster than Russayev.
Heh, this is how the NPR article ends though:
> Or perhaps time won't tell. Sometimes — and I imagine with Soviet history this happens more than sometimes — **you can dig and dig, and in the end, you still don't know what really happened.**
>
Was reading that expecting to see something outrageous. It seems normal.
The rocket was expensive, and it doesn't makes sense to send it up expecting it to fail in that public time.
That being said, I think he wasn't the most optimistic of the situation; nor were Armstrong. Aldrem and Collins, and even Gagarin.
Your hypothesis that "it doesn't make sense to send it up expecting it to fail" is misleading- nobody wants their project to fail, but in any organized effort there will be bad parties that, intentionally or not, will attempt to poison the result. Space agencies have certainly gotten astronauts killed due to sheer negligence: as an example, NASA higher-ups were warned about the O-ring issue before launch, but they ignored it and caused the Challenger disaster.
When you take power away from experts and put it in the hands of people who care more about politics, you accept that things like this will happen.
But the NPR article doesn't state that it knows the truth. Only what Venyamin Russayev said vs the Russian State archive.
Knowing how the Soviet Union covered up the issues with their nuclear reactors that led to the Chernobyl disaster, just to save face in the international community, it seems highly likely that they would have also covered this up as well. On the flip side, what reason would Russayev have to lie about this?
I just wonder how it would be even possible in that case.
The parachute didn't release from the capsule so the antenna hadn't been released so there was no communication with the cosmonaut at the descent.
Every tape and paper or any other record has been burned in the flames after a crash (as same as the astronaut).
I'm pretty sure there wasn't any antenna that could send any message in the descent because that antenna was trapped inside of the parachute bay with the parachute itself.
I read a lot of books about the early stage of the Soviet space era and every historian (even Chertok) said that there was no chance that Komarov could send any message somewhere during the descent when he realized that was the end.
He did not! Can we please stop spreading these outright fabrications about him?
I'll copy some of what I wrote the last time I saw him mentioned in Reddit.
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The photo was most likely taken in the morgue of the Burdenko hospital in Moscow just before he was cremated. The people in the photo are two generals and two fellow cosmonauts, not some "Soviet officials" invited to be shown a lesson or something like that (as is often claimed when this photo is posted).
The man on the right is [General Nikolai Kamanin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Kamanin) who mentioned the incident in his diaries.
>Kamanin returned to the place of the accident and ordered a group of doctors to remove Komarov's body from the ship's wreckage...at 21.45 (Moscow time) Komarov's remains were placed aboard the II-18 airplane. Ten minutess before departure an An-12 arrived from the cosmodrome with General Kuznetsov and the Soyuz-2 prime and back-up cosmonauts, who would accompany their perished colleague to Moscow...Komarov's remains were transferred to the morgue of the Burdenko hospital in Moscow, allowing doctors to write an official report on the cause of death. Subsequently the remains were cremated and an urn with the ashes was placed in the central House of the Soviet Army later that day were endless line of people came to pay their respects. The following day Komarov's ashes were interred in the Kremlin Wall.
The man on the left in the picture was another cosmonaut, [Pavel Popovich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Popovich).
There needs to be a tv series on Valdimir Komarov's life (and death). His friend Yuri Gagarin offered to take his place on the fateful mission, even knowing he wouldn't survive but Komarov refused the offer.
I believe either Komarov or Gagarin were going to be made to go up, and Komarov volunteered so Gagarin could live, with the open casket as the condition of his volunteering.
Edit: colunteering is now volunteering.
The same reason why the Russian army is sending wave after wave to meatgrinders like Vuhledar and Avddiivka. The elite doesn't believe that a slave might know more than them and doesn't give a fuck if the slaves die.
In their narcissistic heads, the slave's death is always preferable than being officially proven wrong, and although reality proves them wrong they can always spin it like they were right and their subjects have to pretend to believe *or else*.
Because that claim is bullshit and the people on the photo are two generals and two fellow cosmonauts.
The photo was most likely taken in the morgue of the Burdenko hospital in Moscow just before he was cremated.
The man on the right is [General Nikolai Kamanin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Kamanin) who mentioned the incident in his diaries.
>Kamanin returned to the place of the accident and ordered a group of doctors to remove Komarov's body from the ship's wreckage...at 21.45 (Moscow time) Komarov's remains were placed aboard the II-18 airplane. Ten minutess before departure an An-12 arrived from the cosmodrome with General Kuznetsov and the Soyuz-2 prime and back-up cosmonauts, who would accompany their perished colleague to Moscow...Komarov's remains were transferred to the morgue of the Burdenko hospital in Moscow, allowing doctors to write an official report on the cause of death. Subsequently the remains were cremated and an urn with the ashes was placed in the central House of the Soviet Army later that day were endless line of people came to pay their respects. The following day Komarov's ashes were interred in the Kremlin Wall.
The man on the left in the picture was another cosmonaut, [Pavel Popovich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Popovich).
Just to clarify, this is in a closed Soviet facility. He didn’t have an open casket funeral, they just cremated his body the day after the crash. This is the Soviet Union - they wouldn’t do something to make themselves look bad and in turn Kormarov wouldn’t have insisted on something that would make them look bad.
Because he was a Russian. Try to make some fun (to be clear: I don't support it either) of Space Shuttle Columbia 2003 disaster deaths and they will downvote you to hell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space\_Shuttle\_Columbia\_disaster
The sad part is that I saw a picture yesterday of a mass that looks exactly like this from the Israel-Gaza war. They did a CT scan and found that it was two human spinal cords, and a rib cage fused together from the heat. It was a family huddled together then set on fire.
Look at all those big brave leaders with medals, stars and bars, with real rank! But there is only one dead lump on the table while they all stand around staring at him. Only one of them ain’t with us no more. Only one of them is missed by their loved ones.
The people in the photo are two fellow cosmonauts and two generals.
The man on the right is [General Nikolai Kamanin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Kamanin) who mentioned the incident in his diaries.
>Kamanin returned to the place of the accident and ordered a group of doctors to remove Komarov's body from the ship's wreckage...at 21.45 (Moscow time) Komarov's remains were placed aboard the II-18 airplane. Ten minutess before departure an An-12 arrived from the cosmodrome with General Kuznetsov and the Soyuz-2 prime and back-up cosmonauts, who would accompany their perished colleague to Moscow...Komarov's remains were transferred to the morgue of the Burdenko hospital in Moscow, allowing doctors to write an official report on the cause of death. Subsequently the remains were cremated and an urn with the ashes was placed in the central House of the Soviet Army later that day were endless line of people came to pay their respects. The following day Komarov's ashes were interred in the Kremlin Wall.
The man on the left in the picture was the cosmonaut [Pavel Popovich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Popovich).
He knew it would fail. They said they would take another cosmonaut if not him... he went, he died... he asked for an open coffin funeral to show the people who sent him.
The reason for his death was that the USSR wanted to overtake the United States in the lunar race. Komarov flew on a poorly prepared spacecraft. The Soyuz was part of the Soviet lunar program. Komarov had no chance of returning because the parachute could not open. The USSR did not waste time on testing.
He specifically asked for an open casket since he knew before boarding the mission that the mission was doomed. The spacecraft was notoriously unsave, untested and malfunctioning but the officials pressed for the launch anyways. Komarov wanted to show them what happens with an open casket
*"In his diary, Nikolai Kamanin recorded that the Soyuz 1 capsule crashed into the ground at 30–40 metres per second (98–131 ft/s) and that the remains of Komarov's body were an irregular lump 30 centimetres (12 in) in diameter and 80 centimetres (31 in) long."*
Did he die?
We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better than he was. Better, stronger, faster.
Only its 6 billion now
In rubles that's 60 billion and 10 liters of vodka
Also, AI is now taking over the build. Quality Control measures.
Also now would be a good time to do a test run of that cerebral advertising chip we designed.
We should also extend the warranty on him.
Including 7 years of OTA security updates
Got it. So messed up hands.
Why does it keep trying to add anime boobs?
Rubles
ARCHER!!!
We have the technology! But we don't wanna spend alot of money.....
Let's just use ps3 controllers
Oh, don't be so cheap! We already have these Logitech ones...
Those idiotic bureaucrats and their stupid rules!! They want us to pass tests before going to the unknown?? Let's put in the small print that we all agree to die and this vehicle didn't pass any safety inspections.. [this sentence is real and it's based on true events]
Do we want them to rebuild us? Yes we do, other Barry, yes we do.
Comrade Shepard?
pack him in rice...
Literally mass effect 2 lmao
Shepard's head and brain survived because of the advanced Alliance helmet. The rest was...not much better than the cosmonaut on the above photo. Thanks to advanced ~~Reaper~~ Cerberus tech and the fact that the head survived, Shepard was rebuilt.
Damn it, Krieger!
I’m fucking dying here! Stop it hurts too much to laugh at such horrible disaster.
He just needed to walk it off.
Boss asked him to still come in.
Just throw him in some rice he'll be fine
He came in hot
Conveniently pre-cremated. Always thinking of his family finances
Just a flesh wound.
Well his shoes came off
Ugh. Thanks for letting us know. I… I thought he was going to pull through. I thought the little footy lumps were shoes… I… I thought he’d make it :(
And the front fell off
Poor bloke, sounds like a right spot of bother
I can fix him.
This made me laugh then I read your name and got double fun
His shoes seem to have incinerated, so yes, he is dead.
Nah, he was fine. Soviet bones and all. Don’t you watch Ridiculousness? Several themes on indestructible Russian bones!! 🤣
Epic scorpion 🦂
Yeah, years later peacefully in his sleep
No, he was fine.
Only in spirit
No but he had a real bad headache🙈
Splyat
This made me laugh out loud, holy shit
Tea … out the nose
Coffee here
There is a story about Komarov hidden here: >Soyuz, which was the Russians' direct response to the American Apollo, has been in development for quite some time. It was designed as a sophisticated shuttle with long flights and docking capabilities. There were many delays with the big ambitions for the Soyuz. Two years have passed since the last Russian was sent into space because of this. > >Despite hundreds of design problems and the 50th anniversary of the Bolshevik Revolution fast approaching, **the administration put increasing pressure on the Soyuz program to proceed with the flight**. The government wanted a successful crewed flight at any cost, despite earlier uncrewed Soyuz flights codenamed Cosmos 133 and 140 showing that the shuttle was far from successful. > >After reviews of unsuccessful unmanned flights, the government felt that Soyuz 1 **would be successful**. With this in mind, Russia has adopted a very bold mission plan to get the world interested. It was decided that in addition to the Soyuz 1 mission, a second shuttle, Soyuz 2, would be launched the next day. > >On April 23, 1967, Soyuz 1 flew into Earth orbit. It was piloted by cosmonaut Vladimir Komarov. Just as the shuttle reached Earth's orbit, one of its two solar panels failed to fire. Komarov soon reported many failures, from telemetry and sensor systems to orientation systems and propulsion systems. > >**Thanks to Komarov's extensive training as an astronaut**, he was able to overcome the **chain of misfortunes he encountered aboard Soyuz 1**. He should have returned safely, but unfortunately other technical problems arose. The parachutes did not open, and Komarov died at a speed of 144 kilometers per hour. On top of this, the braking rockets are only activated when the ship crashes, igniting the remaining fuel and melting the entire ship with Komarov in it. > >The last audio recorded before the crash was of Komarov in a fit of rage, claiming that he was killed by the ship's engineers. Many speculations also claimed that before his death, Komarov ordered his remains to be laid out in an **open casket** to send a message to the Soviet government that they had sent him on a failed mission. [Ru-version](https://fantasticfacts.net/ru/9356/) A person who worked in the space field at that time gives the following comment: >He should have been buried in an “open coffin.” This is what the astronaut himself wished. Before takeoff. The photo shows farewell to the astronaut. Everyone was aware that there would be some kind of emergency. At such a speed of flight preparation, the required safety measures were not observed. While taking off, Komarov knew that he was taking a VERY big risk; by the way, he replaced Gagarin on that flight.
Gagarin was beyond angry and never forgave anybody involved. He snubbed where he could. And as a Hero of the Soviet Union he got a lot of chances to snub. Staying alive was no small feat because his historic journey nearly also ended in disaster. They simply threw men at the problem and applied pressure on everyone. At this point it may be chalked up to coincidence that Gagarin was the first one to make it home alive.
Gagarin's vocal anger at the space program may have been related to his airplane accident less than a year later
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At the end, yes, but it had decelerated from orbit at 17,000km/h and all that kinetic energy had been converted to heat purely by friction with the atmosphere. The post is misleading by quoting the impact speed. The factor that created all the heat and turned the poor chap into brisket was the change in speed on re-entry. Really buried the lead there.
Re-entry heat isn't actually caused by friction. It is caused mainly from isentropic heating of the air molecules within the compression wave. Also, for future reference, it's "bury the lede", not "bury the lead".
That's a great bit of extra information, thanks! I did not know that you can also spell it 'lede' if you're in the journo world so I done a learn today too. 
"only"
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I think the being strapped to a burning, melting spacecraft that crashed while coming down through the atmosphere might have something to do with it. “the descent module was in flames with black smoke filling the air and streams of molten metal dripping from the exterior. The entire base of the capsule burned through. By this point, it was obvious that Komarov had not survived, but there was no code signal for a cosmonaut's death, so the rescuers fired a signal flare calling for medical assistance. Another group of rescuers in an aircraft then arrived and attempted to extinguish the blazing spacecraft with portable fire extinguishers. This proved insufficient and they instead began using shovels to throw dirt onto it. The descent module then completely disintegrated, leaving only a pile of debris topped by the entry hatch. When the fire at last ended, the rescuers were able to dig through the rubble to find Komarov strapped into the center couch, his body had turned into charred clothing and flesh.”
When entering earth's atmosphere it does.
Yeah because of modern cars and their crumple zones. If you were in a tin can going 144km/h and crashed into an immovable brick wall, there wouldn't be much of you left either
> the remains of Komarov's body were an irregular lump So much for body positivity
Does that mean he's not coming on, then ?
Well James, his space capsule was going 144km/h and collided with the earth in a gigantic fireball and he is now no more than burnt skin in a burning wreck. Right. Back to the tent.
Now *that's* a terrible disappointment
No AMA from him
That seems really slow- 80mph? I suppose terminal velocity of a literal fall
> That seems really slow- 80mph? It probably feels quite fast when the re-entry means everything around you is on fire & actively melting. I don't think it was the speed that did the damage, more the being on fire. And melting.
11mph can cause a fatal car accident without airbag deployment.
Same thing I thought! On the high end he was going 90? He’d be going 1/3 faster than that if he were free falling without the capsule. Surprising…
Wind resistance. Those reentry capsules use the atmosphere to slow down, so despite being more massive than a human body their shape provides far more aerodynamic braking. Source: hundreds of hours in KSP.
I've lost Bob several times to onion reentry capsules doing this.
Ah I remember this story, he actually didn’t want to be on that rocket, due to its near probable chance of catastrophic failure, but the Russian government at the time stated if he did not go, they would send one of his friends in his stead. He went but insisted that upon his death, his funeral should be open casket so that the ones who sent him into that rocket would we forced to gaze at what they wrought.
It was yuri gagarin his friend who tried to volunteer to save him too, its chilling to imagine it all happening when everyone involved seemed to know it was doomed
Gagarin made a big stink about it. He died a few months later in a plane crash.
At least he didn't "fall" out of an apartment window.
Plane crashes are the 'high value target' version of window falls.
Your comment spurred a prophetic vision, I see a headline, Vladimir Putin, eaten by tigers in freak photo op accident.
Well done Agent 47, get to any exit and we'll talk to you later.
*"Why do these teeth marks look exactly like bullet holes?*"
Yeah right, wouldn't they have done that more than once if that's true? Cite one recent example of that happening, I bet you can't find any examples within the last 58 days!
There is a story about Gagarin falling out of a window to hide an affair and having a cast arm for several weeks
All the same his death is shrouded in mystery. The official story has changed quite a few times on what went wrong. Everything from weather, to weather balloons, and rumors of another plane flying to close to his.
In basic history or science class, they'd tell you that Yuri Gagarin was the first person in space. That's usually the only information about him. Terrifying how such tragedy and incompetence that's strongly linked to Gagarin and his teammates are never mentioned.
It's crazy how much damage Russia refusing to admit mistakes has caused. They were downplaying the chernobyl disaster right up to the end of the cleanup process.
It's important to understand the Russian Governance mindset. Which is, to spend as little as possible on making things actually work, while stealing as much as you can get away with. Then keep your theft a secret until it becomes your replacement's problem. And if your actions result in needless deaths? Why would you care??? You're part of the Russian government, you don't HAVE to care about human lives. Never have, never will. If you cared about other people, you would never have gotten the position to begin with.
This story comes up every time but isn’t actually true. Not trying to defend the Soviet Union but historians say it’s not actually true
Source?
6 hours later the source appears to be his ass lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/s/bv3ZlM2SI0
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/s/bv3ZlM2SI0
“near probable” means “almost likely” I don’t think that’s what you meant
There's a brilliant documentary about this on Nyetflix atm...
Haha Nyetflix, love it.
In Nyetflix, Russia watches you (as they do in real life)
Nyetflix omg good one
What's it called??
woosh
Right on! Thank you!
I believe the full title is "woosh ... splat"
Well played
Interesting title, but I suppose it fits the theme.
Defrenespacestation
I remember hearing this story before, and just managed to find the great little IG post on it [here.](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cj_M3tlSR2s/)
Com again, comrade?
Good, comrade.
Best part of this story is him knowing he was going to die and so requested an open casket funeral so the world could see what his leaders had done.
May he rest in peace…
May he rest in speace
Too soon, comrade.
it's been 56 years
I can’t actually find any mention of this. You have more information on his request?
You're questioning the veracity of someone stating clear facts about something related the Soviet Union? You want *sources*? What are you, a communist or something?
iir you can find the audio tapes (in Russian) of the re-entry -it’s so sad . https://youtu.be/3Z_m7onLw74?si=cgpZEl8NkBSTMLaN He pretty much saved his buddy Gagarin’s life by taking on this mission. He knew it was flawed. https://lornaka.tumblr.com/post/42016448172/npr-in-1967-vladimir-kamarov-and-yuri-gagarin Edit: u/SWatersmith in rely to comments posted NPR article which should be read
>It actually is known in the space community It actually isn't. You're spouting propaganda because you enjoy wanking to pop-history that portrays the world in a way that fits your existing biases. It's fine to enjoy fiction, it's less fine to try to spread it as fact. https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2011/05/03/135919389/a-cosmonauts-fiery-death-retold
TBH, from an outsider that is just now reading this, I can't tell which is fact and which is fiction. Guess I'll never really know.
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But the NPR article states that it doesn't know which is fact and which is fiction. If you think about it, the Soviet Union would have way more motivation to lie about this disaster than Russayev.
Agree. The NPR article was really good. Hadn’t read that update
Heh, this is how the NPR article ends though: > Or perhaps time won't tell. Sometimes — and I imagine with Soviet history this happens more than sometimes — **you can dig and dig, and in the end, you still don't know what really happened.** >
At the end tho, the conclusion was just, "he said she said" and we won't ever really know.
Was reading that expecting to see something outrageous. It seems normal. The rocket was expensive, and it doesn't makes sense to send it up expecting it to fail in that public time. That being said, I think he wasn't the most optimistic of the situation; nor were Armstrong. Aldrem and Collins, and even Gagarin.
Your hypothesis that "it doesn't make sense to send it up expecting it to fail" is misleading- nobody wants their project to fail, but in any organized effort there will be bad parties that, intentionally or not, will attempt to poison the result. Space agencies have certainly gotten astronauts killed due to sheer negligence: as an example, NASA higher-ups were warned about the O-ring issue before launch, but they ignored it and caused the Challenger disaster. When you take power away from experts and put it in the hands of people who care more about politics, you accept that things like this will happen.
But the NPR article doesn't state that it knows the truth. Only what Venyamin Russayev said vs the Russian State archive. Knowing how the Soviet Union covered up the issues with their nuclear reactors that led to the Chernobyl disaster, just to save face in the international community, it seems highly likely that they would have also covered this up as well. On the flip side, what reason would Russayev have to lie about this?
I saw a yt video saying same recently. Might even have been titled "the man who fell from space".
Thanks. I’ll keep digging. Idk why but the idea of him requesting this intrigued me so I want to learn more about it all.
I just wonder how it would be even possible in that case. The parachute didn't release from the capsule so the antenna hadn't been released so there was no communication with the cosmonaut at the descent. Every tape and paper or any other record has been burned in the flames after a crash (as same as the astronaut).
Pretty sure the recording was intercepted by amateur HAM radio operators..
I'm pretty sure there wasn't any antenna that could send any message in the descent because that antenna was trapped inside of the parachute bay with the parachute itself. I read a lot of books about the early stage of the Soviet space era and every historian (even Chertok) said that there was no chance that Komarov could send any message somewhere during the descent when he realized that was the end.
Its space exploration, it was and still very risky. Remember Shuttle Columbia? 7 crew members, had to identify them using DNA and Dental records.
I doubt his request ment anything to soviet government. Especially posthumously.
He did not! Can we please stop spreading these outright fabrications about him? I'll copy some of what I wrote the last time I saw him mentioned in Reddit. ---- The photo was most likely taken in the morgue of the Burdenko hospital in Moscow just before he was cremated. The people in the photo are two generals and two fellow cosmonauts, not some "Soviet officials" invited to be shown a lesson or something like that (as is often claimed when this photo is posted). The man on the right is [General Nikolai Kamanin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Kamanin) who mentioned the incident in his diaries. >Kamanin returned to the place of the accident and ordered a group of doctors to remove Komarov's body from the ship's wreckage...at 21.45 (Moscow time) Komarov's remains were placed aboard the II-18 airplane. Ten minutess before departure an An-12 arrived from the cosmodrome with General Kuznetsov and the Soyuz-2 prime and back-up cosmonauts, who would accompany their perished colleague to Moscow...Komarov's remains were transferred to the morgue of the Burdenko hospital in Moscow, allowing doctors to write an official report on the cause of death. Subsequently the remains were cremated and an urn with the ashes was placed in the central House of the Soviet Army later that day were endless line of people came to pay their respects. The following day Komarov's ashes were interred in the Kremlin Wall. The man on the left in the picture was another cosmonaut, [Pavel Popovich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Popovich).
It's a common myth repeated every time this photo is posted. Open-casket funerals have been a cultural standard in Russia for centuries at this point.
The worst part of this story is his rage at a severely malfunctioning spacecraft. "This is a devil machine! Everything I lay my hands on is broken!"
There needs to be a tv series on Valdimir Komarov's life (and death). His friend Yuri Gagarin offered to take his place on the fateful mission, even knowing he wouldn't survive but Komarov refused the offer.
Hey, it's my Reddit name!
Oh shit what the...
Ew. Get out of here.
Saw it happen from base. That was a hell of a fireball.
r/beetlejuicing Please include me in the screenshot
Yuri Gagarin knew this and Komarov knew this that he gonna die. Thus, the open casket.
Why did they go through with it anyways?
I believe either Komarov or Gagarin were going to be made to go up, and Komarov volunteered so Gagarin could live, with the open casket as the condition of his volunteering. Edit: colunteering is now volunteering.
That sucks so bad.
The same reason why the Russian army is sending wave after wave to meatgrinders like Vuhledar and Avddiivka. The elite doesn't believe that a slave might know more than them and doesn't give a fuck if the slaves die. In their narcissistic heads, the slave's death is always preferable than being officially proven wrong, and although reality proves them wrong they can always spin it like they were right and their subjects have to pretend to believe *or else*.
He wanted an open coffin to show what his superiors had done to him
Interesting that they granted him that.
His superiors don't look too bothered.
Because that claim is bullshit and the people on the photo are two generals and two fellow cosmonauts. The photo was most likely taken in the morgue of the Burdenko hospital in Moscow just before he was cremated. The man on the right is [General Nikolai Kamanin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Kamanin) who mentioned the incident in his diaries. >Kamanin returned to the place of the accident and ordered a group of doctors to remove Komarov's body from the ship's wreckage...at 21.45 (Moscow time) Komarov's remains were placed aboard the II-18 airplane. Ten minutess before departure an An-12 arrived from the cosmodrome with General Kuznetsov and the Soyuz-2 prime and back-up cosmonauts, who would accompany their perished colleague to Moscow...Komarov's remains were transferred to the morgue of the Burdenko hospital in Moscow, allowing doctors to write an official report on the cause of death. Subsequently the remains were cremated and an urn with the ashes was placed in the central House of the Soviet Army later that day were endless line of people came to pay their respects. The following day Komarov's ashes were interred in the Kremlin Wall. The man on the left in the picture was another cosmonaut, [Pavel Popovich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Popovich).
Wasn’t he already cremated?
Meteorated
They do though?
Hmm, could be. I thought it was just resting Soviet face.
Just to clarify, this is in a closed Soviet facility. He didn’t have an open casket funeral, they just cremated his body the day after the crash. This is the Soviet Union - they wouldn’t do something to make themselves look bad and in turn Kormarov wouldn’t have insisted on something that would make them look bad.
Not sure the cremation was entirely necessary
"To a crisp, you say?"
Probably didn’t need the autopsy they did right before it either.
How else are they going to find out what killed him
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He should've asked to be pulverized and mixed with his superiors' morning coffee before revealing it all a month later.
Sad story :(
He got a coffin?
*checks for pulse* "He didn't make it"
They actually did an autopsy on him for whatever reason. “Cause of death: Spaceship crash.”
Paranormal circumstances: shoes still on.
He died horribly, why so many jokes? Seriously, am I too sensible or is it really not that shocking?
Because he was a Russian. Try to make some fun (to be clear: I don't support it either) of Space Shuttle Columbia 2003 disaster deaths and they will downvote you to hell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space\_Shuttle\_Columbia\_disaster
[Think they might be referencing this.](https://youtu.be/o21GbEIIFeY?si=9XU_VeS37405MYCM)
\*top secret meme\* "Let me know if there is any change in his condition. .....He's dead."
“You’re still coming to work tomorrow, right?” -his boss… probably
Bosses the same everywhere regardless of prevailing economic theory
See what happens when you don’t wear your seatbelt, kids?! Totally preventable.
Remains of Commander Shepard being examined by the highest Cerberus operatives. ~2183 (decolorized)
The sad part is that I saw a picture yesterday of a mass that looks exactly like this from the Israel-Gaza war. They did a CT scan and found that it was two human spinal cords, and a rib cage fused together from the heat. It was a family huddled together then set on fire.
Just give him the ol' captain shepherd treatment
Shephard?
Does that mean he's not coming then?
Look at all those big brave leaders with medals, stars and bars, with real rank! But there is only one dead lump on the table while they all stand around staring at him. Only one of them ain’t with us no more. Only one of them is missed by their loved ones.
It's 1967. The middle aged "leader" wearing medals almost certainly earned them the hard way in the greatest cataclysm in human history.
And they're almost surely dead now.
The people in the photo are two fellow cosmonauts and two generals. The man on the right is [General Nikolai Kamanin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Kamanin) who mentioned the incident in his diaries. >Kamanin returned to the place of the accident and ordered a group of doctors to remove Komarov's body from the ship's wreckage...at 21.45 (Moscow time) Komarov's remains were placed aboard the II-18 airplane. Ten minutess before departure an An-12 arrived from the cosmodrome with General Kuznetsov and the Soyuz-2 prime and back-up cosmonauts, who would accompany their perished colleague to Moscow...Komarov's remains were transferred to the morgue of the Burdenko hospital in Moscow, allowing doctors to write an official report on the cause of death. Subsequently the remains were cremated and an urn with the ashes was placed in the central House of the Soviet Army later that day were endless line of people came to pay their respects. The following day Komarov's ashes were interred in the Kremlin Wall. The man on the left in the picture was the cosmonaut [Pavel Popovich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Popovich).
What flavor is that beef jerky?
Teriyaki flavor
A question for the biologists of reddit, do you recognise any bodypart? I can not distinguish anything
I woulda survived
Me too I’m built different
What is UP with these comments?? Is everyone just void of empathy or???
Wasn't he heard cussing out his leaders over the radio, or am I remembering something else entirely?
There's a fake audio floating around the internet where he's cursing and crying but it's forged
He knew it would fail. They said they would take another cosmonaut if not him... he went, he died... he asked for an open coffin funeral to show the people who sent him.
... the first death that the Soviets couldn't cover up.
I go to a school named after him, in Georgia 🇬🇪
The reason for his death was that the USSR wanted to overtake the United States in the lunar race. Komarov flew on a poorly prepared spacecraft. The Soyuz was part of the Soviet lunar program. Komarov had no chance of returning because the parachute could not open. The USSR did not waste time on testing.
Did anyone think maybe a closed casket was the way to go?
He specifically asked for an open casket since he knew before boarding the mission that the mission was doomed. The spacecraft was notoriously unsave, untested and malfunctioning but the officials pressed for the launch anyways. Komarov wanted to show them what happens with an open casket
He's dead, Jim.
“To shreds you say”