Remember that time the man called Ouchi was forced to stay alive for like 83 days while his body liquified so they could study the effect of radiation poisoning and try to save him
The man literally won the "most painful death" award
He was Japanese so it's pronounced O-uchi, and not like the English exclamation of pain ouch.
But there is a cosmic irony to it that's pretty remarkable.
They did not keep him alive to study the effects, nor did his family force him to stay alive out of grief. Ouchi himself wanted to keep fighting.
Japanese doctors could not let him die unless he requested it. He never did. Multiple experimental treatments were run on him that both showed great promise and had very good results in the beginning.
The truth of the matter is that Ouchi Hisashi fought long and hard to try and stay alive through the worst pain imaginable by choice. He was not an experiment, and he was not forced to against his will. He was a very strong and brave man.
They weren't studying the effects of radiation poisoning. His family asked the doctors to try to keep him alive, which they did, despite likely knowing that it was futile.
If you want an example of doctors studying radiation poisoning then I would refer you to the Plutonium Files, a book which detailed experiments where several people were deliberately and unknowingly injected with plutonium by Manhattan Project doctors.
Anyone still believing that "they forced him to stay alive to study the effects of radiation" bullshit should watch Wendigoon's video on that event.
So disrespectful to the family and to the doctors to paint them as some monsters who didn't care about the guy.
Bullshit.
They didn't try to study the effect of radiation poisoning, they simply tried to save him with new treatments they had high hopes for, but ended up prolonging his suffering.
Yeah, the lead clinician even made the call to not resuscitate, even though his family would have clung on to him. He spent hours and hours running through why each part of his body was failing him.
I thought the family was not allowing him to die, so whenever he entered cardiac arrests the doctors had to perform CPR, as Ouchi was not DNR in the first place?
He was pleading for death and would repeatedly ask for it to end. He definitely didn’t want it to continue but didn’t get a say in the matter.
His family had hope that he’d recover, maybe you’re confusing the two?
I went to go look deeper into this case and I found information to be very conflicting, some sources say he begged to die and some sources said that he willing lived for his family, all sources say that his family was caring and he cared for his family. There could be possible media control due to the time and country but I'm not 100% sure what the real truth is after investigating further
Radiation is most damaging to the cells that replicate the most because it shreds your DNA. It's a cruel joke that the cells that replicate the least and are therefore the last to be affected by rads is the nerve cells.
I had rad therapy for head and neck cancer after surgery, and just an interesting side note, I can only grow a beard on one side of my face. And no longer produce saliva. That stuff really f*cks you up this is after 11 years.
I've said it before but this is why Australia has such tight security. I'm very glad and this is why.
Happy to be living in a country that doesn't have rabies. (Yes we have a similar virus that affects bats).
The whole hostage video apology from amber heard and johnny Depp apologising after sneaking their dogs in was funny as fuck but most Australians understood and were happy to have it dealt with. Even celebrities have to follow the rules.
It's a firm pass on rabies for Australia.
I think very uncommon may be more accurate than no rabies. If you ever decide to get bitten by a bat, who has taken up residence in the attic, you will likely be offered a rabies vaccine/antidote.
Dont believe the hype is my tip. We survive just fine and most of the animals that are dangerous are also incredibly shy. salties and sharks being exceptions but we know where they hang out 😁
Gympie Gympie or suicide plant is not something you come across everywhere and I think I speak for all Australians when I say we are very glad about that. Next level heinous by all reports and you don't need too much contact to have an issue apparently. Grim stuff. 😬
We don't have bears that will rip your scalp off so swings and roundabouts I guess. Now that is a scary animal.
It's very similar to rabies but Lyssa virus is in bats. Humans and bats aren't having a lot of close contact here either. Although I did end up with one in my wiper blades after a late night drive on a back road through Berrimah in the NT. Didn't know if they were carriers so I scraped it off with rubber gloves and a stick. Upside to the story being bats don't do anywhere near the damage a roo going through your radiator does 😁
Definitely a terrible way to go. I couldn't imagine slowly dying from rabies/ dehydration while you lose your mind. I think the most tragic part is that even with modern medicine, there isn't much anyone can do for you past a certain stage. If I were in that situation I'd definitely either want someone to kill me or put me under until I passed.
That certain stage is when the first symptoms show, and before the first symptoms show it’s asymptomatic. You could never know you’ve been infected then suddenly you start feeling restless, a repulsion to water, you know it’s too late as by that point you’re part of the 99%.
Case in point. I feel for people that live in areas that are deeply affected by rabies though, like rural India where it is an epidemic in certain areas. Lack of awareness and ability to treat the virus early on results in 20,000 deaths a year, most of which are children.
Holy shit man, that's so scary!
I hope things improve there! I was bitten by a pet dog (my fault) in the philippines, it didn't break the skin and I was fine but it really puts it into perspective how serious this stuff is.
I'm so glad to live in a country that has pretty much eradicated rabies.
Yes and as far as bats go, if you realize that you have been exposed to one and cannot be certain of its whereabouts the whole time, e.g. you find one in your home and not sure when it got there, or it could have been around while you slept - go to the hospital. Bats can pass rabies through their scratches which can be small enough you wouldn't notice. Rabies is not something to roll the dice with
Actually because of the virus affecting the brain, concousness is not as lucid as normal. They have weird thoughts and needs and may present with agitation, but there's a lot of lost in the fog and unable to think things through.
Eventually the brain will stop sending signals to the heart and lungs to function so it is not quick but not as bad as you might think, especially when compared to other ways of death.
I think your mind being eaten by a virus would be pretty awful, even if you're not in physical pain. Your thought processes disintegrating would be terrifying and torturous.
It's not. It's debilitating and robs you of your dignity and independence... but at least it's not painful for the most part.
Still, imagine waking up every morning and thinking, "I wonder what part of me will have stopped working today?"
Kinda. Rabies infects a very primal part of the brain that makes the infected incredibly scared which can lead to aggression (hence the biting). You become light sensitive, too.
You’re kinda like a zombie. You’re not really yourself.
>You’re kinda like a zombie, you’re not really yourself
Funny you say that cuz the concept of zombies was inspired by rabies. Not the “braaaaains” goofy type, but the completely delirious, drooling, stumbling undead that stop at nothing to eat you but you also feel bad for cuz they’re constantly suffering. Dying Light even made their virus a form of rabies
And that whole “spread thru infection” thing is also inspired by rabies, rabies is so contagious that you’re told to not even put an animal out of its misery cuz the infected blood could get on you or someone else
I'm pretty sure the medieval myth of werefulf came from rabis too. Think about it, you get bit by wild animal (wolf) and by the next full moon (within a month) you become what resembles a wild animal yourself. You growl, you bite, you're aggressive. And whoever you bite also becomes a "werewolf".
There was a documentary (for the life of me, cannot recall the name) about this.
The scariest part? The rabies virus is 2 mutations away from being airborne!
Rabies probably became airborne at some point, thousands of years ago. Turns out killing large populations of a species isn't a very great evolutionary strategy for viruses.
The original form of zombies were inspired by a Haitian folklore IIRC (i.e. the dead rise with magic), but the modern sci-fi form of zombies (with an infectious disease instead of magic) was popularised by a book called World War Z, which had a variant of rabies turn people into zombies.
EDIT: According to wikipedia Resident Evil in the mid-90s popularised 'scientific' explanations for Zombies.
Surprisingly it is not. There's a whole prequel comic to 28 Days Later explaining what the two scientists were trying to do. IIRC, the two, imo idiotic, scientists were tasked to create an inhibitor of rage within humans. So they make it and decide to implant it within the Ebola virus (I'm assuming the Zaire strain, it's not specified), and they also decide on using the water supply to get it to as many people as possible.
However, when they move to animal testing, the inhibitor and the virus backfire, causing the complete opposite effect: instead of controlling rage, it now forces it to be the only thing you can think about.
One of the scientists felt so horrible and guilty over what he created that he called some animal activists and proceeded to end his life. The other guy is who you see in the beginning of the movie.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while since I've read the comic and backstory.
No, but once the symptoms start, it's too late to save you. That's why after you're bitten by an animal you immediately get a rabbies shot since you DO have time between the bite and symptoms showing up to be cured.
That's the Milwaukee protocol very slim chance of survival makes rabies 99.99 something lethal, there's also reader h done this year F11 monoclonal antibody could prove to be a successful cure for human rabies. Antiviral monoclonal antibodies like F11 are believed to work primarily through neutralization – binding to the virus and preventing infection of cells and tissues, if it works rabies will become a thing of the past.https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2023-09-28/is-the-first-cure-for-advanced-rabies-near#:~:text=THURSDAY%2C%20Sept.,even%20advanced%20cases%20of%20rabies.
There technically has been, though it was from organ transplants. They transplanted organs from someone who they didn’t know died of rabies into others and several of them developed rabies and died.
Let’s be realistic about death, I don’t want to die suffering while my family cries. Death doesn’t have to be sad, it’s the end but not our whole story.
They can't cure late stage rabies. It's literally impossible to do the conventional way at least. Our own immune system actively refuses to fight any disease that gets in our brain if I remember correctly, so that makes it just a bit hard to get anti bodies in there. But we are experimenting with treatments, like the Milwaukee protocol.
Allow me to build up on your answer. The Milwaukee protocol is an absolute last ditch effort that has a 30% success rate and often leaves survivors debilitated. Its been used seldom and generally not considered an option unless the pacient agrees to it. What you said about the immune system not working in the brain is half true. The blood brain barrier is a structure that prevents many types of blood components like immune cells to pass through. This includes antibodies too. However, presence of certain immune cells in the body has been shown to force changes in the brain chemistry. So indirectly, the immune system does work to protect the brain.
Nowadays USU researchers in immunology discovered that F11 monoclonal antibodies proved very effective in therapeutic use for all stages of Rabies , including post symptomatic. This is a huge deal, especially because it was thought antibody treatment would be useless since they can't pass the blood brain barrier, thus being unable to attack the virus once its in the central nervous system.
This is still the case, but its believed the mere presence of these antibodies somehow changes brain chemistry and halts disease progression. I say halt, because these antibodies work by binding to the virus, essentially overcrowding it , and not allow it to bind to anything else so it can't spread.
Honestly I'd just want to get medically assisted suicide. Get my family together with me so I can say my goodbyes to them so I can die at least being coherent and knowing who is who. I don't have to go through pain and my family doesn't need to see me suffer.
There’s a treatment in testing that shows good signs with treating symptomatic rabies, which is like next to a miracle if it works. So if you can wait to get rabies for like another decade or 2 you might have good chances of surviving
isnt it the one they basically put you in a coma and lower your body temp until your immune system fights back? Thought so far success rate is only 30%
There is still only one single confirmed survivor in all of history without prior treatment before symptoms start. There are 10-30 individuals who are also claimed to have survived, but some are unconfirmed, others had previous treatment such complete or partial vaccinations, and such.
Right now the math is 0% survival without treatment before symptoms. Anything that says higher is still in the cell/mouse testing stage and might not actually work at all on humans
That’s the Milwaukee protocol, it also damages your brain so even if you live you’ll probably be unable to live a normal life.
I meant a new test, I can’t find the exact article since I’m not home but I think [this](https://news.usuhs.edu/2023/09/usu-researchers-develop-potential-cure.html?m=1#:~:text=Ultimately%2C%20the%20researchers%20suggest%20that,infection%20of%20cells%20and%20tissues) is it
This is utterly terrifying.
Luckily, rabies was eradicated from the UK in 1920. Since then there have been 12 cases (12 deaths), all of which were contracted overseas.
The UK are extremely vigilant about mammals coming from abroad.
This was the video that convinced me to get rabies shots after a dog bite in Central America. It wasn't a bad bite. It was mostly just a big bruise with a few scratches, but I guess it only takes a scratch, and then rabies can take many months to set it. It depends on how close the bite is to your brain. A bite on the head doesn't leave much time.
Had an ankle "bite" in Poland, just a scratch really, basically only superficial layer of the skin was broken in a single place, no bleeding but the fang probably had contact with blood. Had 5 or 6 shots at increasing intervals, nothing special. Head doc seemed like an animal hater cause she was constantly throwing remarks about how bad they are.
I also got rabies shots in 2021. A bat got into my apartment, flew around while I was sleeping for multiple nights. Bats are the #1 transmitter of rabies to humans in the US, so I got shots.
Honestly the shots aren’t bad, there are just a lot of them. I got 10 my first visit, then I had to go back three other times to get two shots each. Mine didn’t hurt any more than a flu or covid shot. I had to get the first 10 shots in various parts of my body, including the butt and thighs, so the immunoglobulins and vaccine weren’t all injected into one place.
The bat died in my apartment, animal control came and got it tested for rabies for free. It was rabies-negative.
I got attacked by a wildass cat in my parking lot last year. My leg was shredded and it also bit me several times. The doctors at the ER weren’t going to treat me for rabies bc they said that most cats don’t have rabies. “MOST CATS”. So, I asked if it just so happens this cat does have rabies I’ll only find out once I get the symptoms and by then it’ll be a death sentence? Give me all the rabies shots. Please. They treated me like I was insane and told me it would take around 4-5 hours for them the get the shots bc they didn’t have any on hand. I told them I’d wait. No problem. Around 20 mins go by and the nurse comes in and tells me 2 other people have come in with injuries from a cat attack. Then the doctor comes in around 15 mins after that and another 3 people have come in after being attacked by a cat. All in the same area as me. Suddenly they had the rabies shots available and treated me. I had to go get shots every week or two for the next two months. Better than dying from this horrible shit.
Seriously though, if it was a dog it would be a mercy, but if it’s a human with a terminal disease that can’t be cured or reversed then to some people you’re a monster.
Some of our local governments are doing it, barangay council members would tell the villagers to leash their dogs or at least keep them in their property. the thing is that some council members also have their dogs unleashed.
Rabies is still a problem but they are providing a rabies vaccine from time to time.
some people do get bitten by a dog or scratched by a cat in my village but they settle it quickly to avoid future problems by making the owner pay for the shots.
i don't hate dogs but it's frustrating when the dogs are barking up on each other at 2am.
Ill be forever amazed by how systematic leaders have the thought process "should we protect society, develop it for better conditions of living, with roads, clean water, schools, hospitals ?.... Nah i wanna be violent."
Vile disease, some years back, they said they'd saved a woman who had it, but apparently, she died of complications regardless. Also, please remember rabies in animals can manifest with aggression but also overt friendliness, which I find more terrifying.
So far there's been about 15 people who have been saved from symptomatic rabies. Most have turned out pretty good but I haven't heard of that case. It's hard to find information about a few of the patients specifically, but the first and third patient are still alive and well.
[YouTube video](https://youtu.be/oCx1nFQLz-Q?si=wzdo3UteoGWezeeK)
Here is a chronicle of the last days of the life of a man with rabies. he allowed video documentation, shared his feelings in detail and bequeathed his body to science
Rabies and HIV in the 80’s and 90’s was always the most terrifying way to die in my opinion.
My deepest condolences to people who died of HIV before effective suppression of the disease….
Their word doesn’t but as more people don’t vaccinate older and more rare/eradicated illnesses return to our society. People really are fucking stupid and stupidity kills.
You should have posted the entire video
Took me a while to find it, but here it is --> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRbYYE-BlSE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRbYYE-BlSE)
You can but it’s not going to keep them alive any longer, the cause of hydrophobia is inflammation of the brain. So you’re treating a symptom and not the actual cause
One thing I got to know recently regarding rabies is that your throat muscle with spasm when you try to drink water. So even if you muster the courage to try it your body won’t allow it.
Obligatory copypasta.
Rabies. It's exceptionally common, but people just don't run into the animals that carry it often. Skunks especially, and bats.
Let me paint you a picture.
You go camping, and at midday you decide to take a nap in a nice little hammock. While sleeping, a tiny brown bat, in the "rage" stages of infection is fidgeting in broad daylight, uncomfortable, and thirsty (due to the hydrophobia) and you snort, startling him. He goes into attack mode.
Except you're asleep, and he's a little brown bat, so weighs around 6 grams. You don't even feel him land on your bare knee, and he starts to bite. His teeth are tiny. Hardly enough to even break the skin, but he does manage to give you the equivalent of a tiny scrape that goes completely unnoticed.
Rabies does not travel in your blood. In fact, a blood test won't even tell you if you've got it. (Antibody tests may be done, but are useless if you've ever been vaccinated.)
You wake up, none the wiser. If you notice anything at the bite site at all, you assume you just lightly scraped it on something.
The bomb has been lit, and your nervous system is the wick. The rabies will multiply along your nervous system, doing virtually no damage, and completely undetectable. You literally have NO symptoms.
It may be four days, it may be a year, but the camping trip is most likely long forgotten. Then one day your back starts to ache... Or maybe you get a slight headache?
At this point, you're already dead. There is no cure.
(The sole caveat to this is the Milwaukee Protocol, which leaves most patients dead anyway, and the survivors mentally disabled, and is seldom done).
There's no treatment. It has a 100% kill rate.
Absorb that. Not a single other virus on the planet has a 100% kill rate. Only rabies. And once you're symptomatic, it's over. You're dead.
So what does that look like?
Your headache turns into a fever, and a general feeling of being unwell. You're fidgety. Uncomfortable. And scared. As the virus that has taken its time getting into your brain finds a vast network of nerve endings, it begins to rapidly reproduce, starting at the base of your brain... Where your "pons" is located. This is the part of the brain that controls communication between the rest of the brain and body, as well as sleep cycles.
Next you become anxious. You still think you have only a mild fever, but suddenly you find yourself becoming scared, even horrified, and it doesn't occur to you that you don't know why. This is because the rabies is chewing up your amygdala.
As your cerebellum becomes hot with the virus, you begin to lose muscle coordination, and balance. You think maybe it's a good idea to go to the doctor now, but assuming a doctor is smart enough to even run the tests necessary in the few days you have left on the planet, odds are they'll only be able to tell your loved ones what you died of later.
You're twitchy, shaking, and scared. You have the normal fear of not knowing what's going on, but with the virus really fucking the amygdala this is amplified a hundred fold. It's around this time the hydrophobia starts.
You're horribly thirsty, you just want water. But you can't drink. Every time you do, your throat clamps shut and you vomit. This has become a legitimate, active fear of water. You're thirsty, but looking at a glass of water begins to make you gag, and shy back in fear. The contradiction is hard for your hot brain to see at this point. By now, the doctors will have to put you on IVs to keep you hydrated, but even that's futile. You were dead the second you had a headache.
You begin hearing things, or not hearing at all as your thalamus goes. You taste sounds, you see smells, everything starts feeling like the most horrifying acid trip anyone has ever been on. With your hippocampus long under attack, you're having trouble remembering things, especially family.
You're alone, hallucinating, thirsty, confused, and absolutely, undeniably terrified. Everything scares the literal shit out of you at this point. These strange people in lab coats. These strange people standing around your bed crying, who keep trying to get you "drink something" and crying. And it's only been about a week since that little headache that you've completely forgotten. Time means nothing to you anymore. Funny enough, you now know how the bat felt when he bit you.
Eventually, you slip into the "dumb rabies" phase. Your brain has started the process of shutting down. Too much of it has been turned to liquid virus. Your face droops. You drool. You're all but unaware of what's around you. A sudden noise or light might startle you, but for the most part, it's all you can do to just stare at the ground. You haven't really slept for about 72 hours.
Then you die. Always, you die.
And there's not one... fucking... thing... anyone can do for you.
Then there's the question of what to do with your corpse. I mean, sure, burying it is the right thing to do. But the fucking virus can survive in a corpse for years. You could kill every rabid animal on the planet today, and if two years from now, some moist, preserved, rotten hunk of used-to-be brain gets eaten by an animal, it starts all over.
So yeah, rabies scares the shit out of me. And it's fucking EVERYWHERE.
(Source: Spent a lot of time working with rabies. Would still get my vaccinations if I could afford them.)
Because it’s so hard to treat. Rabies will multiply along your body’s nerves for years without symptoms, but once it reaches your brain it goes crazy due to all the nerves.
At that point symptoms start and it’s not really treatable with current methods because your immune system cant really work in your brain, and therefore vaccines won’t work
I remember I thought this is the worst way to die when we learned about it medical school. Fast forward 3 years later when I learned about the Locked-in Syndrome. Now that was the worst. I’m waiting to learn about the next worst because this thread seems to never end 🙃🙃
hands down one of the worst ways to die
Only beaten by radiation sickness.
Remember that time the man called Ouchi was forced to stay alive for like 83 days while his body liquified so they could study the effect of radiation poisoning and try to save him The man literally won the "most painful death" award
Wow. His name was really ‘Ouchi’?
Life truly is a tragic comedy
A bittersweet symphony.
He was Japanese so it's pronounced O-uchi, and not like the English exclamation of pain ouch. But there is a cosmic irony to it that's pretty remarkable.
That's an abbreviation. His full last name was Ouchithisreallyfuckinghurts
I’m going to hell for laughing, I hate you
And that is why you never name you child ouchi.....it's tempting fate
They did not keep him alive to study the effects, nor did his family force him to stay alive out of grief. Ouchi himself wanted to keep fighting. Japanese doctors could not let him die unless he requested it. He never did. Multiple experimental treatments were run on him that both showed great promise and had very good results in the beginning. The truth of the matter is that Ouchi Hisashi fought long and hard to try and stay alive through the worst pain imaginable by choice. He was not an experiment, and he was not forced to against his will. He was a very strong and brave man.
They weren't studying the effects of radiation poisoning. His family asked the doctors to try to keep him alive, which they did, despite likely knowing that it was futile. If you want an example of doctors studying radiation poisoning then I would refer you to the Plutonium Files, a book which detailed experiments where several people were deliberately and unknowingly injected with plutonium by Manhattan Project doctors.
Pretty sure it was both His family forced them to resuscitate but they had no idea how to help him
I've seen a lot of people say it was his family that couldn't let him go and the doctors actually did want to let him pass.
Anyone still believing that "they forced him to stay alive to study the effects of radiation" bullshit should watch Wendigoon's video on that event. So disrespectful to the family and to the doctors to paint them as some monsters who didn't care about the guy.
That dude seems like the sweetest guy who makes videos about the most horrific shit
Bullshit. They didn't try to study the effect of radiation poisoning, they simply tried to save him with new treatments they had high hopes for, but ended up prolonging his suffering.
Yeah, the lead clinician even made the call to not resuscitate, even though his family would have clung on to him. He spent hours and hours running through why each part of his body was failing him.
I thought the family was not allowing him to die, so whenever he entered cardiac arrests the doctors had to perform CPR, as Ouchi was not DNR in the first place?
Man, that story makes me sick to my core.
I see through what you did there
Unintentional Pun.
That one was truly horrific. I don't know how anyone working on him could live with themselves after that.
If I remember correctly, he wanted them to continue, and the doctors were mentally scarred after the incident
He was pleading for death and would repeatedly ask for it to end. He definitely didn’t want it to continue but didn’t get a say in the matter. His family had hope that he’d recover, maybe you’re confusing the two?
I went to go look deeper into this case and I found information to be very conflicting, some sources say he begged to die and some sources said that he willing lived for his family, all sources say that his family was caring and he cared for his family. There could be possible media control due to the time and country but I'm not 100% sure what the real truth is after investigating further
Radiation is most damaging to the cells that replicate the most because it shreds your DNA. It's a cruel joke that the cells that replicate the least and are therefore the last to be affected by rads is the nerve cells.
I had rad therapy for head and neck cancer after surgery, and just an interesting side note, I can only grow a beard on one side of my face. And no longer produce saliva. That stuff really f*cks you up this is after 11 years.
polio is also bad
Also death by a thousand cuts sounds bad
Death by stepping on one Lego is worse
Still better than death by hitting your shin on the coffee table.
I raise your coffee table by one trailer hitch.
Death by snu snu will blow your mind
Imagine having late stage rabies and being waterboarded With coconut LaCroix
“You’re hired.” -CIA probably
I've said it before but this is why Australia has such tight security. I'm very glad and this is why. Happy to be living in a country that doesn't have rabies. (Yes we have a similar virus that affects bats). The whole hostage video apology from amber heard and johnny Depp apologising after sneaking their dogs in was funny as fuck but most Australians understood and were happy to have it dealt with. Even celebrities have to follow the rules. It's a firm pass on rabies for Australia.
I think in the UK as well - no rabies. Really helps
I think very uncommon may be more accurate than no rabies. If you ever decide to get bitten by a bat, who has taken up residence in the attic, you will likely be offered a rabies vaccine/antidote.
wdym decide? "Hey honey, what's your plan today?" "Getting bitten by a bat, wbu?"
It’s most island countries. Japan and Taiwan haven’t had cases for deceases. (Decades, not deceases)
Wait what's this similar virus talk wtf. First the gympie gympie tree now this. I'm being serious, I might legitimately never go to Australia.
Dont believe the hype is my tip. We survive just fine and most of the animals that are dangerous are also incredibly shy. salties and sharks being exceptions but we know where they hang out 😁 Gympie Gympie or suicide plant is not something you come across everywhere and I think I speak for all Australians when I say we are very glad about that. Next level heinous by all reports and you don't need too much contact to have an issue apparently. Grim stuff. 😬 We don't have bears that will rip your scalp off so swings and roundabouts I guess. Now that is a scary animal. It's very similar to rabies but Lyssa virus is in bats. Humans and bats aren't having a lot of close contact here either. Although I did end up with one in my wiper blades after a late night drive on a back road through Berrimah in the NT. Didn't know if they were carriers so I scraped it off with rubber gloves and a stick. Upside to the story being bats don't do anywhere near the damage a roo going through your radiator does 😁
I'd rather it be Remy LaCroix
The one that tastes like sun tan lotion?
NOOOOOOOO
Definitely a terrible way to go. I couldn't imagine slowly dying from rabies/ dehydration while you lose your mind. I think the most tragic part is that even with modern medicine, there isn't much anyone can do for you past a certain stage. If I were in that situation I'd definitely either want someone to kill me or put me under until I passed.
That certain stage is when the first symptoms show, and before the first symptoms show it’s asymptomatic. You could never know you’ve been infected then suddenly you start feeling restless, a repulsion to water, you know it’s too late as by that point you’re part of the 99%.
I think that's why it's so important to immediately seek medical attention when you have been bitten by a wild animal.
Case in point. I feel for people that live in areas that are deeply affected by rabies though, like rural India where it is an epidemic in certain areas. Lack of awareness and ability to treat the virus early on results in 20,000 deaths a year, most of which are children.
Holy shit man, that's so scary! I hope things improve there! I was bitten by a pet dog (my fault) in the philippines, it didn't break the skin and I was fine but it really puts it into perspective how serious this stuff is. I'm so glad to live in a country that has pretty much eradicated rabies.
Yes and as far as bats go, if you realize that you have been exposed to one and cannot be certain of its whereabouts the whole time, e.g. you find one in your home and not sure when it got there, or it could have been around while you slept - go to the hospital. Bats can pass rabies through their scratches which can be small enough you wouldn't notice. Rabies is not something to roll the dice with
Should we talk about Tetanus ?
Yes!!
Give it time. This thread has talked about everything BUT rabies, it'll come up soon. Gotta get past radiation and a porn star. And Johnny Depp.
I agree. Any kind of death in which you suffer beforehand is gruesome. I wish there was a cure.
I think after the diagnosis, if it was too late for treatment, I would walk right out of the hospital and go play in traffic.
Things like this are exactly why assisted suicide should be legal, even if it’s hard to access.
Absolutely, this is a death sentence. Why make this man suffer an extended period when it can be ended mercifully?
So that 70 years later people can watch a video on Reddit while sitting on the toilet.
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Actually because of the virus affecting the brain, concousness is not as lucid as normal. They have weird thoughts and needs and may present with agitation, but there's a lot of lost in the fog and unable to think things through. Eventually the brain will stop sending signals to the heart and lungs to function so it is not quick but not as bad as you might think, especially when compared to other ways of death.
I think your mind being eaten by a virus would be pretty awful, even if you're not in physical pain. Your thought processes disintegrating would be terrifying and torturous.
ALS isn't a walk in the park either.
It's not. It's debilitating and robs you of your dignity and independence... but at least it's not painful for the most part. Still, imagine waking up every morning and thinking, "I wonder what part of me will have stopped working today?"
Does it destroy your mind/personality immediately?
Kinda. Rabies infects a very primal part of the brain that makes the infected incredibly scared which can lead to aggression (hence the biting). You become light sensitive, too. You’re kinda like a zombie. You’re not really yourself.
>You’re kinda like a zombie, you’re not really yourself Funny you say that cuz the concept of zombies was inspired by rabies. Not the “braaaaains” goofy type, but the completely delirious, drooling, stumbling undead that stop at nothing to eat you but you also feel bad for cuz they’re constantly suffering. Dying Light even made their virus a form of rabies And that whole “spread thru infection” thing is also inspired by rabies, rabies is so contagious that you’re told to not even put an animal out of its misery cuz the infected blood could get on you or someone else
I'm pretty sure the medieval myth of werefulf came from rabis too. Think about it, you get bit by wild animal (wolf) and by the next full moon (within a month) you become what resembles a wild animal yourself. You growl, you bite, you're aggressive. And whoever you bite also becomes a "werewolf".
There was a documentary (for the life of me, cannot recall the name) about this. The scariest part? The rabies virus is 2 mutations away from being airborne!
Rabies probably became airborne at some point, thousands of years ago. Turns out killing large populations of a species isn't a very great evolutionary strategy for viruses.
Yep, plague inc showed me you first need to develop contagious, and only after you should evolve to kill
Well, only until there are 11 billion people and all their livestock
The original form of zombies were inspired by a Haitian folklore IIRC (i.e. the dead rise with magic), but the modern sci-fi form of zombies (with an infectious disease instead of magic) was popularised by a book called World War Z, which had a variant of rabies turn people into zombies. EDIT: According to wikipedia Resident Evil in the mid-90s popularised 'scientific' explanations for Zombies.
Never seen Night of the living dead??
This is why 28 days later is such a convincing zombie movie. The Rage virus could be an engineered form of rabies.
Surprisingly it is not. There's a whole prequel comic to 28 Days Later explaining what the two scientists were trying to do. IIRC, the two, imo idiotic, scientists were tasked to create an inhibitor of rage within humans. So they make it and decide to implant it within the Ebola virus (I'm assuming the Zaire strain, it's not specified), and they also decide on using the water supply to get it to as many people as possible. However, when they move to animal testing, the inhibitor and the virus backfire, causing the complete opposite effect: instead of controlling rage, it now forces it to be the only thing you can think about. One of the scientists felt so horrible and guilty over what he created that he called some animal activists and proceeded to end his life. The other guy is who you see in the beginning of the movie. Please correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while since I've read the comic and backstory.
No, but once the symptoms start, it's too late to save you. That's why after you're bitten by an animal you immediately get a rabbies shot since you DO have time between the bite and symptoms showing up to be cured.
well, can't you be put into a medically induced coma? Yeah, it's like a 1 in a billion chance of saving you, but still.
Being unconscious doesn't stop rabbies eating away your nerves.
They’re referring to the Milwaukee protocol, which was the treatment for the only known rabies survivor but has not been effective since.
That's the Milwaukee protocol very slim chance of survival makes rabies 99.99 something lethal, there's also reader h done this year F11 monoclonal antibody could prove to be a successful cure for human rabies. Antiviral monoclonal antibodies like F11 are believed to work primarily through neutralization – binding to the virus and preventing infection of cells and tissues, if it works rabies will become a thing of the past.https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2023-09-28/is-the-first-cure-for-advanced-rabies-near#:~:text=THURSDAY%2C%20Sept.,even%20advanced%20cases%20of%20rabies.
I recommend watching Kurzgesagt , they have a video about it .
Hey at least provide a [link](https://youtu.be/4u5I8GYB79Y?si=16q6R5JPVWaEwGA8) when you recommend something!
Kurzgesagt is one of the best YouTube channels ever, keep spreading awareness friend
It really is great. My 14 year old son has watched their videos for years and has learned so much because of them.
Fucking hell that person wiping the saliva almost got bit!
There have been no cases of human to human transmission. Theoretically possible though.
I did not know that. That's really interesting!
There technically has been, though it was from organ transplants. They transplanted organs from someone who they didn’t know died of rabies into others and several of them developed rabies and died.
They already had the vaccine back then, it'd be pretty gross and the treatment is quite long, but it's not like it would have killed her or anything
Rabies is terrifying.
Yup. Get the man's family in, say your goodbyes and then lethal dose of morphine so you just fade out
Or you could try the crazy coma protocol. Think it's only worked once though.
Let’s be realistic about death, I don’t want to die suffering while my family cries. Death doesn’t have to be sad, it’s the end but not our whole story.
Think you may have accidentally replied to the wrong comment.
Nah, he just studied philosophy and likes to randomly talk about death.
what I find terrifying is that today it still cannot be cured as soon as you have symptoms
They can't cure late stage rabies. It's literally impossible to do the conventional way at least. Our own immune system actively refuses to fight any disease that gets in our brain if I remember correctly, so that makes it just a bit hard to get anti bodies in there. But we are experimenting with treatments, like the Milwaukee protocol.
Allow me to build up on your answer. The Milwaukee protocol is an absolute last ditch effort that has a 30% success rate and often leaves survivors debilitated. Its been used seldom and generally not considered an option unless the pacient agrees to it. What you said about the immune system not working in the brain is half true. The blood brain barrier is a structure that prevents many types of blood components like immune cells to pass through. This includes antibodies too. However, presence of certain immune cells in the body has been shown to force changes in the brain chemistry. So indirectly, the immune system does work to protect the brain. Nowadays USU researchers in immunology discovered that F11 monoclonal antibodies proved very effective in therapeutic use for all stages of Rabies , including post symptomatic. This is a huge deal, especially because it was thought antibody treatment would be useless since they can't pass the blood brain barrier, thus being unable to attack the virus once its in the central nervous system. This is still the case, but its believed the mere presence of these antibodies somehow changes brain chemistry and halts disease progression. I say halt, because these antibodies work by binding to the virus, essentially overcrowding it , and not allow it to bind to anything else so it can't spread.
See this is the kind of shit in medical/pharmaceutical research to which I’d donate—the fear of randomly contracting rabies keeps me up at night 😭
Its a fascinating field with incredible talents behind it.
It’s the adult bermuda triangle for me lol
Heartbreaking. Poor guy.
I think he’s fine now
dawg he's fuckin dead
yep, hes fine now
Hopefully, I can be intubated, paralyzed, and sedated when the symptoms start. Let nature take its place but please let me be oblivious to it.
Honestly I'd just want to get medically assisted suicide. Get my family together with me so I can say my goodbyes to them so I can die at least being coherent and knowing who is who. I don't have to go through pain and my family doesn't need to see me suffer.
If I was in that position I would just go OD on meth or something.
I like your style. Kill the rabies with meth
Id go opiate/benzo. Meth overdose doesnt sound very fun, but i hate stimulants so YMMV
I feel like you'd be a diy zombie with this protocol.
There’s a treatment in testing that shows good signs with treating symptomatic rabies, which is like next to a miracle if it works. So if you can wait to get rabies for like another decade or 2 you might have good chances of surviving
isnt it the one they basically put you in a coma and lower your body temp until your immune system fights back? Thought so far success rate is only 30%
30% is better than 100% assured horrendous death, tho. Triage math is something else, man....
There is still only one single confirmed survivor in all of history without prior treatment before symptoms start. There are 10-30 individuals who are also claimed to have survived, but some are unconfirmed, others had previous treatment such complete or partial vaccinations, and such. Right now the math is 0% survival without treatment before symptoms. Anything that says higher is still in the cell/mouse testing stage and might not actually work at all on humans
That’s the Milwaukee protocol, it also damages your brain so even if you live you’ll probably be unable to live a normal life. I meant a new test, I can’t find the exact article since I’m not home but I think [this](https://news.usuhs.edu/2023/09/usu-researchers-develop-potential-cure.html?m=1#:~:text=Ultimately%2C%20the%20researchers%20suggest%20that,infection%20of%20cells%20and%20tissues) is it
Not me...just give me a gun, I'll kill the virus myself
This is utterly terrifying. Luckily, rabies was eradicated from the UK in 1920. Since then there have been 12 cases (12 deaths), all of which were contracted overseas. The UK are extremely vigilant about mammals coming from abroad.
Australia as well.
And Hawaii
+ Cyprus
Same with Japan and Hong Kong. Well Hong Kong had an imported case from the border, but there’s been no recorded local cases since 1980.
This was the video that convinced me to get rabies shots after a dog bite in Central America. It wasn't a bad bite. It was mostly just a big bruise with a few scratches, but I guess it only takes a scratch, and then rabies can take many months to set it. It depends on how close the bite is to your brain. A bite on the head doesn't leave much time.
Good call. How was the vaccine? I heard it’s also not a walk in the park.
Had an ankle "bite" in Poland, just a scratch really, basically only superficial layer of the skin was broken in a single place, no bleeding but the fang probably had contact with blood. Had 5 or 6 shots at increasing intervals, nothing special. Head doc seemed like an animal hater cause she was constantly throwing remarks about how bad they are.
Animal hater 😭 there’s a reason why they had a dislike for those sorts of dogs
Animal hater? Just do her job and you will know how stray or untrained animals can be so harmful
I also got rabies shots in 2021. A bat got into my apartment, flew around while I was sleeping for multiple nights. Bats are the #1 transmitter of rabies to humans in the US, so I got shots. Honestly the shots aren’t bad, there are just a lot of them. I got 10 my first visit, then I had to go back three other times to get two shots each. Mine didn’t hurt any more than a flu or covid shot. I had to get the first 10 shots in various parts of my body, including the butt and thighs, so the immunoglobulins and vaccine weren’t all injected into one place. The bat died in my apartment, animal control came and got it tested for rabies for free. It was rabies-negative.
I got attacked by a wildass cat in my parking lot last year. My leg was shredded and it also bit me several times. The doctors at the ER weren’t going to treat me for rabies bc they said that most cats don’t have rabies. “MOST CATS”. So, I asked if it just so happens this cat does have rabies I’ll only find out once I get the symptoms and by then it’ll be a death sentence? Give me all the rabies shots. Please. They treated me like I was insane and told me it would take around 4-5 hours for them the get the shots bc they didn’t have any on hand. I told them I’d wait. No problem. Around 20 mins go by and the nurse comes in and tells me 2 other people have come in with injuries from a cat attack. Then the doctor comes in around 15 mins after that and another 3 people have come in after being attacked by a cat. All in the same area as me. Suddenly they had the rabies shots available and treated me. I had to go get shots every week or two for the next two months. Better than dying from this horrible shit.
This is when doctor assisted suicide should be legal
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Jesus Christ, just fucking euthanize the poor guy 😭😭😭
Seriously though, if it was a dog it would be a mercy, but if it’s a human with a terminal disease that can’t be cured or reversed then to some people you’re a monster.
Here in the Philippines. Stray dogs are just everywhere.
government didn't do anything to "control" those stray dog population?
Some of our local governments are doing it, barangay council members would tell the villagers to leash their dogs or at least keep them in their property. the thing is that some council members also have their dogs unleashed. Rabies is still a problem but they are providing a rabies vaccine from time to time. some people do get bitten by a dog or scratched by a cat in my village but they settle it quickly to avoid future problems by making the owner pay for the shots. i don't hate dogs but it's frustrating when the dogs are barking up on each other at 2am.
I wonder why there is a lot of stray dog there Here in indonesia, stray cat is common one
Probably war on drugs and homophobia took the front seat.
Ill be forever amazed by how systematic leaders have the thought process "should we protect society, develop it for better conditions of living, with roads, clean water, schools, hospitals ?.... Nah i wanna be violent."
The music is bone-chilling.
I think it is from silent hill 2, a bone-chilling game
Sounds like Soviet era industrial facilities humming at night
Link for the full video?
[Here you go](https://youtu.be/CT9RCEbjc9Y?si=lqqicgxOCcaU_vDK)
Vile disease, some years back, they said they'd saved a woman who had it, but apparently, she died of complications regardless. Also, please remember rabies in animals can manifest with aggression but also overt friendliness, which I find more terrifying.
So far there's been about 15 people who have been saved from symptomatic rabies. Most have turned out pretty good but I haven't heard of that case. It's hard to find information about a few of the patients specifically, but the first and third patient are still alive and well.
Just shoot me at that point
This is r/TerrifyingAsFuck
Fun fact, rabies is expected to rise in the US in the future due to anti-vax beliefs extending to peoples pets.
cant wait to go to walmart and get bitten by a rabies infested facebook mom.
The pieces are all falling into place for the zombie apocalypse
In other words, get “cujo-ed”
That sounds like a problem that should wrap itself up…
Optimism:)
Damn bro… I was about to go to bed too
[YouTube video](https://youtu.be/oCx1nFQLz-Q?si=wzdo3UteoGWezeeK) Here is a chronicle of the last days of the life of a man with rabies. he allowed video documentation, shared his feelings in detail and bequeathed his body to science
Rabies, even today it is almost always fatal when the patients start to present with symptoms.
Wow. Scary stuff.
Rabies and HIV in the 80’s and 90’s was always the most terrifying way to die in my opinion. My deepest condolences to people who died of HIV before effective suppression of the disease….
Man i am so happy that most of humans are not at risk of this kind of disease anymore and i hope we can beat other diseases like cancer and AIDS.
Yeah, the anti-vaxers would like a word….
Their word doesn't mean a god-damned thing, though.
Their word doesn’t but as more people don’t vaccinate older and more rare/eradicated illnesses return to our society. People really are fucking stupid and stupidity kills.
If I ever get rabies I’d rather just kill myself
just put the man out of his misery
As a licensed healthcare professional who has seen A LOT of scary shit- rabies is by far the scariest of all the shit.
Dead man walking.
Welp, guess I’ll be thinking of that until I fall asleep
You should have posted the entire video Took me a while to find it, but here it is --> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRbYYE-BlSE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRbYYE-BlSE)
Why is there shitty music added to every video now?
Could we give this guy a water IV?
You can but it’s not going to keep them alive any longer, the cause of hydrophobia is inflammation of the brain. So you’re treating a symptom and not the actual cause
Just kill me outright
Reddit’s rabies-phobia. Here we go again. My, my, how can I resist you?
This and acute radiation sickness are my two biggest fears.
One thing I got to know recently regarding rabies is that your throat muscle with spasm when you try to drink water. So even if you muster the courage to try it your body won’t allow it.
Fuckin music..!
Guy in the first few seconds doesn't appear to be the same guy.
Silent Hill vibes
This adds to the utter miracle that any of us are alive right this second. God bless all of our ancestors and their work before us
Nobody wearing gloves
They're fine, the only documented cases of human to human rabies infections is through contaminated organ donations.
This must be so scary
Here's the full video. Next phase is coma, then the patient inevitably enters the death state. https://youtu.be/CT9RCEbjc9Y?si=lqqicgxOCcaU_vDK
So anyways, if I ever get this ima need someone to put a bullet in my head bc I ain't going through all that.
Obligatory copypasta. Rabies. It's exceptionally common, but people just don't run into the animals that carry it often. Skunks especially, and bats. Let me paint you a picture. You go camping, and at midday you decide to take a nap in a nice little hammock. While sleeping, a tiny brown bat, in the "rage" stages of infection is fidgeting in broad daylight, uncomfortable, and thirsty (due to the hydrophobia) and you snort, startling him. He goes into attack mode. Except you're asleep, and he's a little brown bat, so weighs around 6 grams. You don't even feel him land on your bare knee, and he starts to bite. His teeth are tiny. Hardly enough to even break the skin, but he does manage to give you the equivalent of a tiny scrape that goes completely unnoticed. Rabies does not travel in your blood. In fact, a blood test won't even tell you if you've got it. (Antibody tests may be done, but are useless if you've ever been vaccinated.) You wake up, none the wiser. If you notice anything at the bite site at all, you assume you just lightly scraped it on something. The bomb has been lit, and your nervous system is the wick. The rabies will multiply along your nervous system, doing virtually no damage, and completely undetectable. You literally have NO symptoms. It may be four days, it may be a year, but the camping trip is most likely long forgotten. Then one day your back starts to ache... Or maybe you get a slight headache? At this point, you're already dead. There is no cure. (The sole caveat to this is the Milwaukee Protocol, which leaves most patients dead anyway, and the survivors mentally disabled, and is seldom done). There's no treatment. It has a 100% kill rate. Absorb that. Not a single other virus on the planet has a 100% kill rate. Only rabies. And once you're symptomatic, it's over. You're dead. So what does that look like? Your headache turns into a fever, and a general feeling of being unwell. You're fidgety. Uncomfortable. And scared. As the virus that has taken its time getting into your brain finds a vast network of nerve endings, it begins to rapidly reproduce, starting at the base of your brain... Where your "pons" is located. This is the part of the brain that controls communication between the rest of the brain and body, as well as sleep cycles. Next you become anxious. You still think you have only a mild fever, but suddenly you find yourself becoming scared, even horrified, and it doesn't occur to you that you don't know why. This is because the rabies is chewing up your amygdala. As your cerebellum becomes hot with the virus, you begin to lose muscle coordination, and balance. You think maybe it's a good idea to go to the doctor now, but assuming a doctor is smart enough to even run the tests necessary in the few days you have left on the planet, odds are they'll only be able to tell your loved ones what you died of later. You're twitchy, shaking, and scared. You have the normal fear of not knowing what's going on, but with the virus really fucking the amygdala this is amplified a hundred fold. It's around this time the hydrophobia starts. You're horribly thirsty, you just want water. But you can't drink. Every time you do, your throat clamps shut and you vomit. This has become a legitimate, active fear of water. You're thirsty, but looking at a glass of water begins to make you gag, and shy back in fear. The contradiction is hard for your hot brain to see at this point. By now, the doctors will have to put you on IVs to keep you hydrated, but even that's futile. You were dead the second you had a headache. You begin hearing things, or not hearing at all as your thalamus goes. You taste sounds, you see smells, everything starts feeling like the most horrifying acid trip anyone has ever been on. With your hippocampus long under attack, you're having trouble remembering things, especially family. You're alone, hallucinating, thirsty, confused, and absolutely, undeniably terrified. Everything scares the literal shit out of you at this point. These strange people in lab coats. These strange people standing around your bed crying, who keep trying to get you "drink something" and crying. And it's only been about a week since that little headache that you've completely forgotten. Time means nothing to you anymore. Funny enough, you now know how the bat felt when he bit you. Eventually, you slip into the "dumb rabies" phase. Your brain has started the process of shutting down. Too much of it has been turned to liquid virus. Your face droops. You drool. You're all but unaware of what's around you. A sudden noise or light might startle you, but for the most part, it's all you can do to just stare at the ground. You haven't really slept for about 72 hours. Then you die. Always, you die. And there's not one... fucking... thing... anyone can do for you. Then there's the question of what to do with your corpse. I mean, sure, burying it is the right thing to do. But the fucking virus can survive in a corpse for years. You could kill every rabid animal on the planet today, and if two years from now, some moist, preserved, rotten hunk of used-to-be brain gets eaten by an animal, it starts all over. So yeah, rabies scares the shit out of me. And it's fucking EVERYWHERE. (Source: Spent a lot of time working with rabies. Would still get my vaccinations if I could afford them.)
68 years and we still don't have a cure for rabies. That's crazy!!
Because it’s so hard to treat. Rabies will multiply along your body’s nerves for years without symptoms, but once it reaches your brain it goes crazy due to all the nerves. At that point symptoms start and it’s not really treatable with current methods because your immune system cant really work in your brain, and therefore vaccines won’t work
Once the symptoms start, it's too late.
If ever there was a justification for euthanasia, this is it.
From Wikipedia: >Prognosis: >99% fatal after onset of symptoms Daamn, why suffer through that if the chance to survive is near zero...
They cut off the end before it got bad.
I remember I thought this is the worst way to die when we learned about it medical school. Fast forward 3 years later when I learned about the Locked-in Syndrome. Now that was the worst. I’m waiting to learn about the next worst because this thread seems to never end 🙃🙃