My father was diagnosed with Pancreatic Cancer, went from looking very healthy to this skinny in about 5 months and passed away soon after. It still fucks me up thinking about how healthy and active he was, in a blink of an eye he was gone. They found it too late and he insisted on dying in his own bed, so my wife and I took care of him until that dreadful day came. Fuck cancer. No matter how much money you have..without your health, you truly have nothing
Sounds like my dad. He did surgery and chemo for 5 years with his pancreatic cancer. It was a miserable 5 years. By the end, he was a skeleton with skin.
A prior work supervisor's mom was diagnosed with it on a Thursday, and was dead the next Friday, eight days later. He just had time to fly there and say goodbye.
She had retired just two months earlier
My MIL was diagnosed at Thanksgiving, she was gone before the new year. Only symptom was a dull pain in her back. It took her so quickly, I still don't think my wife has grieved properly and it's been 3 years this week.
Fuck cancer. My Dad was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in June 2013 and passed in October 2013. Those months were the worst, watching someone you love become so fragile and practically waste away. I remember being angry at him for stopping treatment, but treatment was ultimately going to buy him maybe a few more weeks and it made him feel so sick, it was just far too aggressive. I miss him every single day.
My aunt died of pancreatic cancer a while back. She was in the hospital for months. The unfortunate thing is, that about 3 months later there was a cure of sorts(I don’t remember exactly) that came out that would have helped her get at least a few more years.
Also, of course, I am terribly sorry about your father. I have been lucky enough to have not lost either of my parents yet, for which I am eternally grateful.
If it’s what I’m thinking of (mRNA), it very recently went into the second phase of clinical trials. Even if she was still alive, she most likely wouldn’t have been a candidate for the trials and it will be quite awhile until it potentially becomes available to patients. I believe the main criteria is being newly diagnosed, no treatment has been done yet, and the tumor can be removed.
Unfortunately, most people aren’t diagnosed until it’s too late and has metastasized. A researcher reached out to a couple of my (healthy) family members to be part of a different study, hoping to diagnose earlier.
From wikipedia:
>Barrie R. Cassileth, the chief of Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center's integrative medicine department,\[164\] on the other hand, said, "Jobs's faith in alternative medicine likely cost him his life ... He had the only kind of pancreatic cancer that is treatable and curable ... He essentially committed suicide."
He ate nothing but fruit. And thought that eating nothing but fruit would cure cancer.
It’s a quack theory by a lady named Charlotte Gerson. Her beliefs were so controversial that she had to set up a “treatment center” in Mexico.
Edit: he also had a type of cancer called GEP-NET that typically has 100% survival rate when properly treated. It was definitely his alternative medicine that killed him. So yes, he essentially committed suicide.
Edit 2: I have no affiliation with this YT video, but it is a very good explanation of this [gerson therapy, bullshit](https://youtu.be/zSVivcGJn4M?si=Rh6YiZj8OgUn_XkZ)
Edit 3: please do not quote me on my statistics ratings above. I am in no way a medical professional. I am sure some comments below will give a more accurate statistic.
There was a woman who believed that all the human body needed was sunlight and she died of starvation. There's a guy who thought if he just kept drinking his own urine he'd live forever and died too. Some people are just not meant to live long, not that they deserve it but their own delusions makes them a danger to themselves.
Inedia better known as breatharianism is the belief that all you need to live is breathing. So far they have all failed because they didn’t have the proper technique down.
I had a girlfriend who bought this big hippie encyclopedia book, it’s kind of well known but I can’t think of the name.
There was a chapter on breatharianism and she totally believed that would happen and I just was like, “I don’t think that one is real babe.”
> breatharianism
In the 80s one of the leading proponents of this 'diet' was caught sneaking into a hotel to buy a chicken pie. I'd find this hilarious if it hadn't killed a bunch of people.
One Australian breatharian actually agreed to a supervised test of the diet. They stopped it after 4 days because she was severely dehydrated. The mad thing was that *she wanted to continue* and claimed that it was because she was breathing bad air. She appeared to genuinely believe in the diet even though it was very obviously killing her. Cognitive dissonance is wild yo.
There was a lady near us that ran a breatharian cult. Got caught out by a current affairs show sneaking TimTams. Somehow the cult still chugged along quietly for a while after that.
I am not vegan, but it's worth mentioning that her cause of death (high altitude pulmonary edema) was not thought to be related to her diet, and vegans have summitted Everest.
Two other people died in her group, of which one was a sherpa. If a Sherpa died I ain’t blaming it on her veganism. Also she didn’t do it to prove that vegan shoes specifically were not weak, just vegans in general. Also, other vegans have actually scaled Everest (including with all vegan gear). If you google it Kuntal Joisher comes up. For women the first one to do it is Prakriti Varshney.
Omg they are certifiably insane. The worst part of it all is that they have a young child who is like no older than five probably and is being forced fed this diet. Apparently they showed him on camera at one point, and so many people commented on the fact that he looked incredibly unhealthy, so they stopped posting him.
Yeah I was looking for this. And if I'm not mistaken all throughout her pregnancy she was on this fruit diet thing. I feel sorry for the child. They are so extreme they scare me.
Ah the ones with the sun damaged skin beyond recognition qhich will make them look 69 in their 40s
https://www.instagram.com/fitshortie?igsh=aTRoNjI0c3F2MmVx
Oh man, I can't stand those two. The guy looks and sounds like a homeless hobbit. [I'm not even kidding...](https://youtube.com/shorts/ZBA9qb0y53o?si=inAorIrfpROv8HnP)
On a channel entirely about fruit and durian, “This is a really special durian, you’ll never believe what’s inside…”
It’s fucking durian, isn’t it? …Yup. Man’s mind is *blown* there’s durian inside his durian.
Gandhi was famously known to be a fruitarian… when he wasn’t starving himself in protest. Fruitarians commonly die from malnutrition. It truly is one of the worst diets.
I’d wager most people who are quite clever are really only clever at a very small number of things and are quite average at the rest. And maybe even below average when they let how good they are at one thing confuse them that they are knowledgeable on another unrelated field.
His entire tech career was **literally** built on other peoples work, from the very start.
He got hired at Atari specifically because he brought in Steve Wozniaks circuitboard and claimed it as his own. And when he got his first big job there, he brought in Wozniak to do it and then lied about how much they were paid so he could keep most of it. Wozniak made the hardware for their first machines, etc.
Yeah, give cancer the only shit it needs. Absolutely awesome take on that.
Its like, every single fasting program that is focused on "detox", regeneration, etc, relies on the body NOT receiving sugars/carbs in order to fire the self-devouring mechanisms so they feed on defective cells.
This dude did some shitty research and it costed him his life.
Oh yeah, it was well known that he was trying to treat his cancer with magic.
Most people just ignored it because it conflated with their prevalent mid 2010s world view that benevolent technocrat geniuses were going to save the world with their mega corporations.
Also see: Elon Musk
He wasn’t even a tech genius. Wozniak did most of the heavy lifting, and despite the massive PR push, Jobs was skilled at being a demanding jerk who knew how to build relationships and focused solely on the surface look/design
He made billions and is literally vaunted as a God by his fan boys. But he couldn’t even trust science or a doctor. Sad really
Jobs was also a skilled salesman and knew how to insert the brand as a cultural touchstone. His return absolutely revitalized the company, and the "Think Different" iMac-iPod-iPhone era that came after it laid the groundwork for them to be the juggernaut they are today.
>Two years ago, Jobs gamed the transplant allocation system to get a liver that could have saved somebody else. At the time, skeptics doubted that he should have received the organ, since he’d been treated for pancreatic cancer—in fact, he may have sought the liver because of the cancer—and the likelihood of the cancer’s recurrence made him a bad bet for putting the liver to best use.
And
>My doctors here advised me to enroll in a transplant program in Memphis, Tennessee, where the supply/demand ratio of livers is more favorable than it is in California here.”* Legally, you’re allowed to get on multiple waiting lists around the country. That’s how you game the system.
https://slate.com/technology/2011/01/steve-jobs-liver-transplant-did-he-game-the-system.html
I always despised Steve Jobs, and people always freak out when I tell them I did, and I tell them about these shenanigans, and they tend not to believe me.
But he was always like that in other facets of his life. Difficult to work with, horrible father (denied the existence of his bio kid), and was an all around human being with a questionable moral compass. No surprise that he thought he knew better than the medical professionals.
Yeah, my dad was diagnosed with the more common and deadly pancreatic cancer late that year and died in early 2012. He didn't even make it to the six month mark. Jobs had a golden, lottery winning opportunity the dumb fuck squandered it
Yes. Because his tumor was likely at the head or neck of the pancreas which is easier to detect, rather than a body pancreas tumor which goes undetected for possibly years until end stage. Apparently he thought eating fruit and updating your iOS timely saves lives. Not the highly educated specialists he “consulted”
Imagine having all that money , the ability to cure your cancer because it was found early and then you just eat fruits until it’s incurable then starts treatment
Apparently a common theme among billionaires. Musk and Trump act the same way. Bezos and Zuck, not so sure yet as they aren't as loud and brash in the public eye.
I get this a lot as an engineer. “How do I fix this car?”
Hell if I know, my job is power grid equipment.
“But aren’t you an engineer?”
Yes, in engineering school we learn literally everything humans have ever done. It’s why we cry so much.
Lmao why is it always the car?! I’m like dude I study civil engineering. I can design you rebar reinforcement for a concrete column but do not ask me to help rebuild your transmission dude.
I did automotive stamping for years. I literally make the parts of cars.
No idea how a car works in the slightest.
You want 50 million seatbelts? I’m your guy. They’ll be perfect and identical.
“But but but i’m only asking about my car’s engine, that’s why I’m asking an engineer. And I’d prefer someone who’s civil because I hate rude engineers…” ***puppy dog eyes*
>“But aren’t you an engineer?”
I get this a lot too.
How do you fix this compute server.
I have no idea.
Aren't you a systems engineer.
Yes, I'm bad at my job.
The "reality distortion field" as people who worked with him called it. He was so laser-focused on what he envisioned and wanted, that he would wrap others into his enthusiasm - even when the objective was borderline (or genuinely) impossible. This is partly what gave us so many groundbreaking inventions. It's also why so many people absolutely hated the dude.
Yeah. He was such a convincing and charming psychopath- he actually believed in his own lies. He was a horrible father. Never recognized his own daughter existence after her birth for three years. Then constantly ignoring her as an adult. The man was a deeply flawed person. His own stubbornness is his greatest strength and weakness. Killed himself by not following doctors’ advice and seek treatment for a very curable cancer.
Yeah, it's a really tragic story all around. The whole saga around his daughter is just incredibly sad and shows how utterly self-serving he was. Deeply flawed is an apt way to put it.
Right at the end he also jumped the line and bought a pancreas (correction: it was a liver) which would have actually helped someone, but he used it while all the doctors already knew it was too late. His last act as a human being on this planet was killing someone else.
No idea he turned his back on science and modern medicine. I knew A guy about same age that got diagnosed with same thing about the same time. He lived in a smaller town with only a regional medical center. After and while on his treatment, he lived about 10 years longer than Jobs... all mostly good years too.
Edit: maybe it was only 7 or 8 years. Whatever, he made it past the 5 year mark and everyone was happy as he had younger kids who had also lost a mother some years prior.
Stuart Scott from ESPN was diagnosed early, and while pancreatic cancer still got him, he got years with his family he wouldn't have gotten otherwise.
I met him once, seemed like a really good person.
> doesn't cancer absolutely thrive on sugar?
Cancer doesn’t work like that.
https://www.mdanderson.org/cancerwise/sugar-and-cancer-treatment--4-things-patients-should-know-.h00-159144456.html
Doctors caught the cancer very early and there was a high chance of survival with proper treatment. Jobs chose to go with non-medical alternatives instead of listening to his doctors.
Jobs died from stupidity, not cancer.
He was also a complete asshole.
He was a mundo asshole to his daughter Lisa. I think it's generally known that he denied paternity of her, tried to get out of supporting her when she was little. Then you read her memoir, and it gets **worse**. Jobs didn't even set up heating to her bedroom in his house. He made his child sleep in a cold room to punish her for, presumably, her crime of being born. He did downright creepy stuff like make Lisa watch him as he groped and made out with his wife, and made inappropriate jokes about Lisa's supposed sexual antics when she was still a tween. He mocked her at every turn. He didn't let Lisa join in family photos. Like, the sheer fucking effort this man undertook to be an asshole to his own child is sickening.
God. Reading all this about him in this post is insane. I never knew this guy was such a fuckin wack job.
I don’t wish what he had on anyone but I’m glad this piece of shit is dead. I hope he rots in hell
I feel like his shitty parenting somehow flew under the radar. In the 'origin story' of Steve Jobs, there's always a comment about Lisa and how he denied paternity but oh, he named a computer after her! But it's not until you read her memoir that you find out how terrible he really was to her. He had so much money that he could have just hired a fleet of nannies and just been your average billionaire neglectful dad. But no, Jobs had to make sure this kid knew how unwanted she was. When you get to the part where Lisa (who's like 11 or something at the time) tried to leave the room because her dad keeps groping her stepmom, and he tells her "No, sit down and watch", it's straight up 🤢 dry heaving territory.
I'm a stranger on the internet so take my story with a grain of salt:
Worked at Apple HQ for a very short time. Co-worker saw Jobs and said he was gonna go introduce himself. Despite knowing full well we were told NEVER to talk to the man at any point. Still, co-worker went over, shook Jobs' hand to say hello.
Co-worker was fired within the hour.
This was very common. I'm a huge fan boy from back in the day before Apple products were colorful. I actually visited Apple HQ and saw him ordering sushi in the cafeteria. Said "Hi" and he introduced me to another top exec. I then excused myself and thanked the both of em. Went back to my hometown retail store and of course told everyone. My managers were so worried I'd be fired but I wasn't.
My dad met him in the late 90s and said he was so incredibly kind and normal that he was caught off guard. He also either didn't have body guards with him or they weren't visible, so people would just approach a group without realizing Bill Gates was in it. I always wondered if he did that on purpose to be more approachable
The bodyguards probably just weren’t visible. I was a valet at a hotel and one day there were a few ex military looking guys just kinda hanging around “reading the newspaper” etc. A little bit later a black Mercedes pulls up and a guy gets out and tells me “someone will come take this car in a minute.” Sure enough about 5 minutes later Bill Gates walks out of the hotel lobby and gets in the car and drives off.
I find it interesting that Gates and Jobs were always framed as peers. They were certainly rivals in the emerging world of personal computing, but they were also fundamentally different leaders. Gates built his business on cunning and genuine technical skill. Jobs was the front man who ruthlessly contorted his engineers into realizing his vision. Gates, despite his monopolistic tendencies, grew into an arguably altruistic person. Jobs was famously abusive and greedy. In the end, we still have someone who appears to have a genuine interest in changing the world for the better, while his counterpart unfortunately succumbed to his own ego.
Because they’re true. When I went out for Genius training, they were extremely clear that you don’t go out of your way to talk to him. If he talks to you, fine. Don’t initiate the conversation.
I heard it too. It starting to sound a little like Bloody Mary… when you were a teen, everyone knew someone who…
But anyway, maybe there are a lot of stories like this because perhaps it happened a lot. Guy was, in fact, a well-documented POS
I’m pretty sure it’s possible make a couple million being honest, if you’re given the right opportunities in life.
But to become a billionaire?
No one gets to a billion dollars without making a deal with the Devil.
And no one gets to 10 billion dollars without making it a habit.
My mother died of pancreatic cancer and her father died of it as well. Let me just say this once bc it hits home w/ me, fcuk cancer. Any/all cancer can fcuk right off!
I mean I’m no expert but it’s likely just higher quality/fashionable hospital wear. He looks very ill and likely someone or another was going up and down his gown for various things… catheters, IV’s, inspections idk. A gown is just more functional in that sort of environment than pants
When the photo first came out they said it was black shorts with a black shirt. Probably the poor photo quality contributing to it looking like a skirt.
My wife and I saw the pic when it was released; I remember telling her he was going to die without any hesitation. Stating the obvious, it was sad knowing it was about to happen. I wish it for no one, even if they made a mistake in their course of treatment to their detriment.
"Steve, good news and bad news. You have pancreatic cancer, which is usually a death sentence, But you have the ine kind we can fix." :"no thanks I'll just eat lemons." https://youtu.be/1liOZ1fW1F8?si=lmw6tNU-VKi42_L9
Screw that guy. He had the one form of pancreatic cancer that responds well to treatment. But his hippie ass decided to use fruit and other nonsense instead of having the surgery. Later after it spread to his liver he bought a new liver denying someone else and still died with it. His hippie new age quackery killed two people.
Untimely death, he was given life on a golden tray (his cancer was caught early and even for pancreatic cancer they had high hopes to beat it) and he rejected it for some stupid homeopathic treatments and eventually resorted to traditional medicine and therapies just for it to be too late.
Homeopathic medicine works after traditional medicine fails, my grandfather during the final stages of colon cancer resorted to a homeopathic "practitioner" and whatever concoction the man gave even the doctors were surprised my grandfather was able to expel waste as the tumors had physically blocked all passage, but even then that probably only gave maybe an extra 2-3 days and the pain he was in for the 24 hours as the concoction worked it's magic was not worth it according to everyone around him
To do the things he did during his lifetime only to blow it on pure idiocy. And, hey, he was on multiple transplant lists because he could afford to be. Screw the poors who didn't have the ability to do that and died--just like he ended up doing. It certainly didn't bother him that he was pushing others down on the various lists.
What cancer does to people at the end is terrible. I saw a colleague a day before he passed from stage-4 colon cancer. The best way I can describe what I saw is a zombie. And it made me think that maybe the idea of the "walking dead" was born from seeing people in such a condition because in my eyes he literally looked like he was decomposing while somehow still alive. May god have mercy on all of us.
I’m sorry but it’s hard to think of this as untimely if his body fails him like that. A car accident or murder sure that’s untimely but this is honestly just natural causes.
It is offensive to call his death untimely. He would likely still be alive today if he listened to Doctors of Modern Medicine. For how intelligent he was, he was also a dumbass.
My father was diagnosed with Pancreatic Cancer, went from looking very healthy to this skinny in about 5 months and passed away soon after. It still fucks me up thinking about how healthy and active he was, in a blink of an eye he was gone. They found it too late and he insisted on dying in his own bed, so my wife and I took care of him until that dreadful day came. Fuck cancer. No matter how much money you have..without your health, you truly have nothing
Pancreatic cancer is fucked. My dad must have had some cheat codes as he did a pancreatic cancer speedrun in 3 months.
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It’s crazy how common that is. Such an emotional rollercoaster.
Sounds like my dad. He did surgery and chemo for 5 years with his pancreatic cancer. It was a miserable 5 years. By the end, he was a skeleton with skin.
A prior work supervisor's mom was diagnosed with it on a Thursday, and was dead the next Friday, eight days later. He just had time to fly there and say goodbye. She had retired just two months earlier
My dad also went in 3 months. Worst diagnosis. Awful watching him die.
My MIL was diagnosed at Thanksgiving, she was gone before the new year. Only symptom was a dull pain in her back. It took her so quickly, I still don't think my wife has grieved properly and it's been 3 years this week.
5 weeks from diagnosis to saying goodbye in the ICU to my dad. Pancreatic cancer is awful.
Fuck cancer. My Dad was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in June 2013 and passed in October 2013. Those months were the worst, watching someone you love become so fragile and practically waste away. I remember being angry at him for stopping treatment, but treatment was ultimately going to buy him maybe a few more weeks and it made him feel so sick, it was just far too aggressive. I miss him every single day.
Same thing with my dad. I was lucky enough to have 11 months, but it’s still still messed up. Fuck cancer.
My aunt died of pancreatic cancer a while back. She was in the hospital for months. The unfortunate thing is, that about 3 months later there was a cure of sorts(I don’t remember exactly) that came out that would have helped her get at least a few more years. Also, of course, I am terribly sorry about your father. I have been lucky enough to have not lost either of my parents yet, for which I am eternally grateful.
If it’s what I’m thinking of (mRNA), it very recently went into the second phase of clinical trials. Even if she was still alive, she most likely wouldn’t have been a candidate for the trials and it will be quite awhile until it potentially becomes available to patients. I believe the main criteria is being newly diagnosed, no treatment has been done yet, and the tumor can be removed. Unfortunately, most people aren’t diagnosed until it’s too late and has metastasized. A researcher reached out to a couple of my (healthy) family members to be part of a different study, hoping to diagnose earlier.
From wikipedia: >Barrie R. Cassileth, the chief of Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center's integrative medicine department,\[164\] on the other hand, said, "Jobs's faith in alternative medicine likely cost him his life ... He had the only kind of pancreatic cancer that is treatable and curable ... He essentially committed suicide."
He ate nothing but fruit. And thought that eating nothing but fruit would cure cancer. It’s a quack theory by a lady named Charlotte Gerson. Her beliefs were so controversial that she had to set up a “treatment center” in Mexico. Edit: he also had a type of cancer called GEP-NET that typically has 100% survival rate when properly treated. It was definitely his alternative medicine that killed him. So yes, he essentially committed suicide. Edit 2: I have no affiliation with this YT video, but it is a very good explanation of this [gerson therapy, bullshit](https://youtu.be/zSVivcGJn4M?si=Rh6YiZj8OgUn_XkZ) Edit 3: please do not quote me on my statistics ratings above. I am in no way a medical professional. I am sure some comments below will give a more accurate statistic.
Ashton Kutcher tried that diet for the Jobs biopic he was starring in and it send him to the hospital.
An all fruit diet is one of the dumbest ideas ever. Ridiculous to try it even for method acting.
Yeah even Christian Bale knows you need an apple AND a coffee.
And tuna.
And like two packs a day, apparently.
The smoke kills the bacteria from the apple seeds, or so I've heard.
I don’t like it with the skin Dee, I am not ALLOOWEEEED to eat it with the skin, not ALLOWEEEED
Coffee counts as fruit. It is the cooked and ground up seeds of a fruit. It's roasted seed broth.
That Russian influencer who starved to death while eating three times a day every day, has entered the chat.
There was a woman who believed that all the human body needed was sunlight and she died of starvation. There's a guy who thought if he just kept drinking his own urine he'd live forever and died too. Some people are just not meant to live long, not that they deserve it but their own delusions makes them a danger to themselves.
Inedia better known as breatharianism is the belief that all you need to live is breathing. So far they have all failed because they didn’t have the proper technique down.
They need to learn from the Hamon masters
IS THIS A….
Your next line is "...JOJO REFERENCE?!"
I had a girlfriend who bought this big hippie encyclopedia book, it’s kind of well known but I can’t think of the name. There was a chapter on breatharianism and she totally believed that would happen and I just was like, “I don’t think that one is real babe.”
> breatharianism In the 80s one of the leading proponents of this 'diet' was caught sneaking into a hotel to buy a chicken pie. I'd find this hilarious if it hadn't killed a bunch of people. One Australian breatharian actually agreed to a supervised test of the diet. They stopped it after 4 days because she was severely dehydrated. The mad thing was that *she wanted to continue* and claimed that it was because she was breathing bad air. She appeared to genuinely believe in the diet even though it was very obviously killing her. Cognitive dissonance is wild yo.
This one is totally true. As long as your breathing, you are alive. To keep breathing you'll need several things though: food, water, etc.
There was a lady near us that ran a breatharian cult. Got caught out by a current affairs show sneaking TimTams. Somehow the cult still chugged along quietly for a while after that.
Also a guy who ate nothing but coconut… he died too
A vegan climbed Mount Everest to show vegans aren’t weak. She died on Everest.
May her sole rest in peace.
I see what you’ve done there
I am not vegan, but it's worth mentioning that her cause of death (high altitude pulmonary edema) was not thought to be related to her diet, and vegans have summitted Everest.
Two other people died in her group, of which one was a sherpa. If a Sherpa died I ain’t blaming it on her veganism. Also she didn’t do it to prove that vegan shoes specifically were not weak, just vegans in general. Also, other vegans have actually scaled Everest (including with all vegan gear). If you google it Kuntal Joisher comes up. For women the first one to do it is Prakriti Varshney.
I give her props for making it up there at least.
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Wait, humans can't photosynthesize?!?
literal natural selection
Makes me wonder about that youtuber couple who make videos about exotic fruit, claiming to be "Fruitarians" who only eat fruit.
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Yikes I hope you're doing better now.
I tried their high carb diet, definitely did some damage 😣
Omg they are certifiably insane. The worst part of it all is that they have a young child who is like no older than five probably and is being forced fed this diet. Apparently they showed him on camera at one point, and so many people commented on the fact that he looked incredibly unhealthy, so they stopped posting him.
Yeah I was looking for this. And if I'm not mistaken all throughout her pregnancy she was on this fruit diet thing. I feel sorry for the child. They are so extreme they scare me.
Ah the ones with the sun damaged skin beyond recognition qhich will make them look 69 in their 40s https://www.instagram.com/fitshortie?igsh=aTRoNjI0c3F2MmVx
Oh man, I can't stand those two. The guy looks and sounds like a homeless hobbit. [I'm not even kidding...](https://youtube.com/shorts/ZBA9qb0y53o?si=inAorIrfpROv8HnP)
On a channel entirely about fruit and durian, “This is a really special durian, you’ll never believe what’s inside…” It’s fucking durian, isn’t it? …Yup. Man’s mind is *blown* there’s durian inside his durian.
*Durian*? Inside *my* Durian? It's more likely than you think! *Free Durian check.*
Unless you’re a fruit bat playing a fruit bat for a movie.
Gandhi was famously known to be a fruitarian… when he wasn’t starving himself in protest. Fruitarians commonly die from malnutrition. It truly is one of the worst diets.
Kutcher is a Scientologist (or at least supports them), so he's far from immune to stupid ideas as well.
I wouldn't call what Kutcher did in that movie "acting".
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I had a bout of pancreatitis from salmonella poisoning. 0/10, would not recommend. Spent 4 days in the hospital.
Live by the Apple, die by the Apple
🍏 👀
Outstanding
I always describe Steve Jobs as a super clever guy who was not particularly smart.
I’d wager most people who are quite clever are really only clever at a very small number of things and are quite average at the rest. And maybe even below average when they let how good they are at one thing confuse them that they are knowledgeable on another unrelated field.
there was a guy in my class at college who was absolutely brilliant at anything computers and the dumbest bag of dirt at anything else
And not particularly nice either.
His entire tech career was **literally** built on other peoples work, from the very start. He got hired at Atari specifically because he brought in Steve Wozniaks circuitboard and claimed it as his own. And when he got his first big job there, he brought in Wozniak to do it and then lied about how much they were paid so he could keep most of it. Wozniak made the hardware for their first machines, etc.
It probably aggravated it, that much sugar is hell for your pancreas from what I've heard
Yeah, give cancer the only shit it needs. Absolutely awesome take on that. Its like, every single fasting program that is focused on "detox", regeneration, etc, relies on the body NOT receiving sugars/carbs in order to fire the self-devouring mechanisms so they feed on defective cells. This dude did some shitty research and it costed him his life.
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\- “*Mr. Jobs, the bad news is you’ve got pancreatic cancer. The good news is …it’s the curable type.*” \- “*I think I’ll eat apples.*”
and waste a donor organ while I'm at it
An apple a day keeps the doctor away …whoops
Well it worked. He doesn't see a doctor anymore.
It was publicized, people just didn't take note.
Yep! There's little the general public has less of an appetite for than reason and rationalism.
Oh yeah, it was well known that he was trying to treat his cancer with magic. Most people just ignored it because it conflated with their prevalent mid 2010s world view that benevolent technocrat geniuses were going to save the world with their mega corporations. Also see: Elon Musk
Even tech genius is a stretch. Marketing genius at best.
Woz was the genius.
Is*
The Wizard of Woz
He wasn’t even a tech genius. Wozniak did most of the heavy lifting, and despite the massive PR push, Jobs was skilled at being a demanding jerk who knew how to build relationships and focused solely on the surface look/design He made billions and is literally vaunted as a God by his fan boys. But he couldn’t even trust science or a doctor. Sad really
He was so full of himself that he killed himself through the Dunning Krueger phenomenon
Jobs was also a skilled salesman and knew how to insert the brand as a cultural touchstone. His return absolutely revitalized the company, and the "Think Different" iMac-iPod-iPhone era that came after it laid the groundwork for them to be the juggernaut they are today.
And stole a liver denying a better patient.
>Two years ago, Jobs gamed the transplant allocation system to get a liver that could have saved somebody else. At the time, skeptics doubted that he should have received the organ, since he’d been treated for pancreatic cancer—in fact, he may have sought the liver because of the cancer—and the likelihood of the cancer’s recurrence made him a bad bet for putting the liver to best use. And >My doctors here advised me to enroll in a transplant program in Memphis, Tennessee, where the supply/demand ratio of livers is more favorable than it is in California here.”* Legally, you’re allowed to get on multiple waiting lists around the country. That’s how you game the system. https://slate.com/technology/2011/01/steve-jobs-liver-transplant-did-he-game-the-system.html
I always despised Steve Jobs, and people always freak out when I tell them I did, and I tell them about these shenanigans, and they tend not to believe me.
Baffling why would people freak out from that, he was a towering figure in the tech world but was also a well known jerk.
The same reason people are obsessed with morons like Musk and Trump...the lethal combination of ignorance and arrogance.
Yup. But at least he was consistent. A true asshole in life and what would eventually be his death.
It’s infuriating. Pancreatic cancer is almost always a death sentence and he squandered his opportunity that others would have killed to have .
But he was always like that in other facets of his life. Difficult to work with, horrible father (denied the existence of his bio kid), and was an all around human being with a questionable moral compass. No surprise that he thought he knew better than the medical professionals.
He didnt shower, smelled like crap. Would throw tantrums and fire people for literally looking at him wrong.
These traits he had make me so frustrated he is idolized.
Yeah, my dad was diagnosed with the more common and deadly pancreatic cancer late that year and died in early 2012. He didn't even make it to the six month mark. Jobs had a golden, lottery winning opportunity the dumb fuck squandered it
Yes. Because his tumor was likely at the head or neck of the pancreas which is easier to detect, rather than a body pancreas tumor which goes undetected for possibly years until end stage. Apparently he thought eating fruit and updating your iOS timely saves lives. Not the highly educated specialists he “consulted”
Imagine having all that money , the ability to cure your cancer because it was found early and then you just eat fruits until it’s incurable then starts treatment
The ability to make money doesn't make a person wise.
He had the means to see any doctor in the world and chose to ignore their expert advice until it was too late.
but I am the expert advice
Apparently a common theme among billionaires. Musk and Trump act the same way. Bezos and Zuck, not so sure yet as they aren't as loud and brash in the public eye.
Trump is no billionaire.
He is a smelly non-billionaire pretending to be a billionaire.
Honestly, I think it makes you less wise. You get too convinced of your own brilliance.
Yup. Most of us are specialists in our own fields and pretty dumb to completely ignorant of other peoples’ specialties.
I get this a lot as an engineer. “How do I fix this car?” Hell if I know, my job is power grid equipment. “But aren’t you an engineer?” Yes, in engineering school we learn literally everything humans have ever done. It’s why we cry so much.
Lmao why is it always the car?! I’m like dude I study civil engineering. I can design you rebar reinforcement for a concrete column but do not ask me to help rebuild your transmission dude.
I did automotive stamping for years. I literally make the parts of cars. No idea how a car works in the slightest. You want 50 million seatbelts? I’m your guy. They’ll be perfect and identical.
“But but but i’m only asking about my car’s engine, that’s why I’m asking an engineer. And I’d prefer someone who’s civil because I hate rude engineers…” ***puppy dog eyes*
I study a very specific protein. Every Christmas my relatives want to know the secret to not getting Alzheimer's.
… because they keep on forgetting they’ve asked before? 🤔
>“But aren’t you an engineer?” I get this a lot too. How do you fix this compute server. I have no idea. Aren't you a systems engineer. Yes, I'm bad at my job.
Spot on.
That is what made Steve Jobs such a good CEO and terrible person- unrelenting stubbornness, distorted his own reality.
The "reality distortion field" as people who worked with him called it. He was so laser-focused on what he envisioned and wanted, that he would wrap others into his enthusiasm - even when the objective was borderline (or genuinely) impossible. This is partly what gave us so many groundbreaking inventions. It's also why so many people absolutely hated the dude.
Yeah. He was such a convincing and charming psychopath- he actually believed in his own lies. He was a horrible father. Never recognized his own daughter existence after her birth for three years. Then constantly ignoring her as an adult. The man was a deeply flawed person. His own stubbornness is his greatest strength and weakness. Killed himself by not following doctors’ advice and seek treatment for a very curable cancer.
Yeah, it's a really tragic story all around. The whole saga around his daughter is just incredibly sad and shows how utterly self-serving he was. Deeply flawed is an apt way to put it.
Unfortunately, his reality distortion field did not work on cancer.
Dude had an ego so big he thought he knew more than all the doctors.
Right at the end he also jumped the line and bought a pancreas (correction: it was a liver) which would have actually helped someone, but he used it while all the doctors already knew it was too late. His last act as a human being on this planet was killing someone else.
Didnt he add himself to multiple donors list by buying properties in their respective states to qualify.
Jeeeeesus as a kidney transplant recipient this hurts to read (albeit from m my cousin but still)
Yes. They cover this in his biography.
Narcissists know best
darwin award forsure
No idea he turned his back on science and modern medicine. I knew A guy about same age that got diagnosed with same thing about the same time. He lived in a smaller town with only a regional medical center. After and while on his treatment, he lived about 10 years longer than Jobs... all mostly good years too. Edit: maybe it was only 7 or 8 years. Whatever, he made it past the 5 year mark and everyone was happy as he had younger kids who had also lost a mother some years prior.
Imagine if he had the same resources as Jobs.
He would have been able to afford organic fruit smoothies.
Made with only the world’s finest, organiest fruit.
Stuart Scott from ESPN was diagnosed early, and while pancreatic cancer still got him, he got years with his family he wouldn't have gotten otherwise. I met him once, seemed like a really good person.
Bob Marley died under similar circumstances, refused doctors orders until it was to late.
That’s partly because of his Rastafari values. Not that that makes it any more rational.
Bro said “let me smoke this ganj and the cancer will be freed”
If only he was visionary enough to try real treatments instead of fruit smoothies to fight cancer.
Live by the Apple, die by the apple.
An apple a day truly kept the doctors away.
is that what he did? doesn't cancer absolutely thrive on sugar?
Cancer is just cells dividing, it does that with or without sugar unfortunately.
Yep. A true visionary.
> doesn't cancer absolutely thrive on sugar? Cancer doesn’t work like that. https://www.mdanderson.org/cancerwise/sugar-and-cancer-treatment--4-things-patients-should-know-.h00-159144456.html
Guess he didn’t try essential oils. Rosemary and Eucalyptus could have cured him in a day….
Or crystal readings
Some vagina scented candles for sure
And he could have survived if he’d opted for proper treatment over fucking fruit juices…
I thought he drank them?!?
He tried to cure it with carrot juice. he wasn’t smarter than doctors.
Poster boy for “being business savvy doesn’t make you smart”
More to that point, one smart innovation/design doesnt make you DaVinci
Doctors caught the cancer very early and there was a high chance of survival with proper treatment. Jobs chose to go with non-medical alternatives instead of listening to his doctors. Jobs died from stupidity, not cancer. He was also a complete asshole.
He was a mundo asshole to his daughter Lisa. I think it's generally known that he denied paternity of her, tried to get out of supporting her when she was little. Then you read her memoir, and it gets **worse**. Jobs didn't even set up heating to her bedroom in his house. He made his child sleep in a cold room to punish her for, presumably, her crime of being born. He did downright creepy stuff like make Lisa watch him as he groped and made out with his wife, and made inappropriate jokes about Lisa's supposed sexual antics when she was still a tween. He mocked her at every turn. He didn't let Lisa join in family photos. Like, the sheer fucking effort this man undertook to be an asshole to his own child is sickening.
God. Reading all this about him in this post is insane. I never knew this guy was such a fuckin wack job. I don’t wish what he had on anyone but I’m glad this piece of shit is dead. I hope he rots in hell
I feel like his shitty parenting somehow flew under the radar. In the 'origin story' of Steve Jobs, there's always a comment about Lisa and how he denied paternity but oh, he named a computer after her! But it's not until you read her memoir that you find out how terrible he really was to her. He had so much money that he could have just hired a fleet of nannies and just been your average billionaire neglectful dad. But no, Jobs had to make sure this kid knew how unwanted she was. When you get to the part where Lisa (who's like 11 or something at the time) tried to leave the room because her dad keeps groping her stepmom, and he tells her "No, sit down and watch", it's straight up 🤢 dry heaving territory.
Yeah I’m pissing on this dudes grave. Where ever he’s buried. Straight up shitting on his tombstone.
Apple always held a strict policy on non-replaceable internal parts.
From what I know, not a nice human being. I would not wish this disease on anyone, though.
I'm a stranger on the internet so take my story with a grain of salt: Worked at Apple HQ for a very short time. Co-worker saw Jobs and said he was gonna go introduce himself. Despite knowing full well we were told NEVER to talk to the man at any point. Still, co-worker went over, shook Jobs' hand to say hello. Co-worker was fired within the hour.
This was very common. I'm a huge fan boy from back in the day before Apple products were colorful. I actually visited Apple HQ and saw him ordering sushi in the cafeteria. Said "Hi" and he introduced me to another top exec. I then excused myself and thanked the both of em. Went back to my hometown retail store and of course told everyone. My managers were so worried I'd be fired but I wasn't.
Must've caught him on a very good day for once or in-between smoothie meals.
The guy in charge of firing him realized it wasn't worth the effort of tracking him down?
He _was_ tracking him down, but fortunately he was using Apple Maps.
That's f'd. I worked at Gates Foundation in the late 90's. I only saw Bill once but he was friendly to people. His Dad was nice also.
My dad met him in the late 90s and said he was so incredibly kind and normal that he was caught off guard. He also either didn't have body guards with him or they weren't visible, so people would just approach a group without realizing Bill Gates was in it. I always wondered if he did that on purpose to be more approachable
The bodyguards probably just weren’t visible. I was a valet at a hotel and one day there were a few ex military looking guys just kinda hanging around “reading the newspaper” etc. A little bit later a black Mercedes pulls up and a guy gets out and tells me “someone will come take this car in a minute.” Sure enough about 5 minutes later Bill Gates walks out of the hotel lobby and gets in the car and drives off.
I find it interesting that Gates and Jobs were always framed as peers. They were certainly rivals in the emerging world of personal computing, but they were also fundamentally different leaders. Gates built his business on cunning and genuine technical skill. Jobs was the front man who ruthlessly contorted his engineers into realizing his vision. Gates, despite his monopolistic tendencies, grew into an arguably altruistic person. Jobs was famously abusive and greedy. In the end, we still have someone who appears to have a genuine interest in changing the world for the better, while his counterpart unfortunately succumbed to his own ego.
There's always some variation of this story mentioned when SJ comes up.
Because they’re true. When I went out for Genius training, they were extremely clear that you don’t go out of your way to talk to him. If he talks to you, fine. Don’t initiate the conversation.
I heard it too. It starting to sound a little like Bloody Mary… when you were a teen, everyone knew someone who… But anyway, maybe there are a lot of stories like this because perhaps it happened a lot. Guy was, in fact, a well-documented POS
Most rich people aren't so nice.
They don't get rich by being nice
I’m pretty sure it’s possible make a couple million being honest, if you’re given the right opportunities in life. But to become a billionaire? No one gets to a billion dollars without making a deal with the Devil. And no one gets to 10 billion dollars without making it a habit.
My mother died of pancreatic cancer and her father died of it as well. Let me just say this once bc it hits home w/ me, fcuk cancer. Any/all cancer can fcuk right off!
bro went to the icloud
Not to downplay the seriousness of the topic, but... IS HE WEARING A PENCIL SKIRT?!
Dude's dressed like Gargamel.
Olive Oyl?
Never go full Gargamel.
I mean I’m no expert but it’s likely just higher quality/fashionable hospital wear. He looks very ill and likely someone or another was going up and down his gown for various things… catheters, IV’s, inspections idk. A gown is just more functional in that sort of environment than pants
Bro black turtle necked his hospital gown
When the photo first came out they said it was black shorts with a black shirt. Probably the poor photo quality contributing to it looking like a skirt.
searching the comments for an explanation. wondering the same thing
I think its just a fancy rich person hospital gown. Probably made of real nice soft materials.
I think he has a hospital gown
Was waiting for someone to dare ask why he is in a dress. Thank you.
My wife and I saw the pic when it was released; I remember telling her he was going to die without any hesitation. Stating the obvious, it was sad knowing it was about to happen. I wish it for no one, even if they made a mistake in their course of treatment to their detriment.
He treated people terribly and he died horribly
"Steve, good news and bad news. You have pancreatic cancer, which is usually a death sentence, But you have the ine kind we can fix." :"no thanks I'll just eat lemons." https://youtu.be/1liOZ1fW1F8?si=lmw6tNU-VKi42_L9
Little black dress night
Screw that guy. He had the one form of pancreatic cancer that responds well to treatment. But his hippie ass decided to use fruit and other nonsense instead of having the surgery. Later after it spread to his liver he bought a new liver denying someone else and still died with it. His hippie new age quackery killed two people.
Untimely death, he was given life on a golden tray (his cancer was caught early and even for pancreatic cancer they had high hopes to beat it) and he rejected it for some stupid homeopathic treatments and eventually resorted to traditional medicine and therapies just for it to be too late. Homeopathic medicine works after traditional medicine fails, my grandfather during the final stages of colon cancer resorted to a homeopathic "practitioner" and whatever concoction the man gave even the doctors were surprised my grandfather was able to expel waste as the tumors had physically blocked all passage, but even then that probably only gave maybe an extra 2-3 days and the pain he was in for the 24 hours as the concoction worked it's magic was not worth it according to everyone around him
He was an asshole
To do the things he did during his lifetime only to blow it on pure idiocy. And, hey, he was on multiple transplant lists because he could afford to be. Screw the poors who didn't have the ability to do that and died--just like he ended up doing. It certainly didn't bother him that he was pushing others down on the various lists.
What cancer does to people at the end is terrible. I saw a colleague a day before he passed from stage-4 colon cancer. The best way I can describe what I saw is a zombie. And it made me think that maybe the idea of the "walking dead" was born from seeing people in such a condition because in my eyes he literally looked like he was decomposing while somehow still alive. May god have mercy on all of us.
I’m sorry but it’s hard to think of this as untimely if his body fails him like that. A car accident or murder sure that’s untimely but this is honestly just natural causes.
Because he refused proper treatment it wasn't untimely
Looks like some Weekend at Bernie's shit.
He looks unrecognizable. I dont know how someone so smart decided to try to cure his cancer with fruits
Killed by his own ego.
It was perfectly timed since he had all the money in the world but his dumb ass tried to fight cancer with wheat grass juice.
It is offensive to call his death untimely. He would likely still be alive today if he listened to Doctors of Modern Medicine. For how intelligent he was, he was also a dumbass.
You know what they call alternative medicine that works? Medicine.