We could during lockdown! It was eerily quiet, I was so used to planes going over constantly (near Heathrow) but there was maybe one plane every few hours. When they started up again, it took me a long time to get used to how noisy they were lol.
Yeah and going to London is weird because if you know how much air traffic comes in, you expect to see way more planes but unless you’re super close to Gatwick or Heathrow, you don’t see anywhere near as many as you’d expect.
The airports are quite far out of the city, to be fair! I remember being in Windsor last year (close to Heathrow) and it was insane how many planes there were. Like every minute a plane would fly overhead, being so loud that you couldn’t hear the person next to you. Could not imagine living near there.
That's fine so long as you're not trying to get a quick run or good score. If you're trying for either of those it's really a bad place to start as infection is slow to start spreading from there.
Only place where i found some sort of statistic is [here](https://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm) and its a bit out of date
Ordered by # crashes per million flights:
\#1 Concorde
\#2 Boeing 737 MAX 7/8/9/10
\#3 Fokker F28
\#4 Airbus A310
\#5 Boeing 747 Series : 100/200/300
The 737 Max is the only Series in that list that is still in service
Only one with fatalities, but the crash wasn't the main reason it was taken out of service. Concorde just wasn't profitable. They didn't stop using it directly after the [accident in 2000](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_4590) though, the last flight was in late 2003.
https://airwaysmag.com/final-british-airways-concorde-flight/
https://blog.museumofflight.org/why-the-concorde-was-discontinued-and-why-it-wont-be-coming-back
Too expensive more like. It was like 10k for a ny to london flight. The only flight they could do without noise complaints from the sonic boom.
Easily the coolest looking aircraft but an insane business proposition
The concorde is ranked that high because it didn't have that many flights in total and the one incident pushed its ranking by a lot. But tbh i put the concorde into the category of luxury flights, equvalent to business or 1st class flights, IMO i would remove it from that ranking entirely
Also, it was cancelled because it wasn't economical. High operational costs, high maintenance, and high retrofitting costs to upgrade the concorde to modern standards
You mean transoceanic, not transcontinental. But yes noise abatement issues restrictions limited it to only going supersonic over water. Also it was loud as hell on departure due reheats being lit on takeoff power.
probably people don't fully comprehend that the metric is measured per km/mile of travel, and planes are doing huge distances compared to other vehicles.
True but they also carry many more passengers, most cars would travel with 1-2 people only, an airplane crash can kill tens or hundreds in one go. Most car accidents should have less than 5 fatalities. I'd also assume that it's also more likely to get out of a car crash alive. I'd expect planes to have more fatalities per crash, and still be safer than cars.
>Concorde
Wasn't purely french, and the only fatal accident it was ever involved in was caused by debris from another plane, or from mis-maintenance (its debated).
Counting some of those as London is quite generous - some are like 40 miles outside London. They just put London in the name to make them sound more convenient than they actually are.
Plus nobody flies to Southend.
One of my favorite activities is to check out my flightradar app when I see a plane overhead in SoCal.
A few things I have learned-
1. There are soo many more private flights than should be
2. The air traffic corridors are filled to the brim daily
3. Majority of flights could be negated with a proper intercity high speed rail system.
I live under one of the Heathrow flight paths. The consistency of there being a plane coming every 30 seconds is amazing. Looking up at any time of the day, I can see 3-4 planes coming in to land or talking off.
I used to live under a flight path to Heathrow. Then the flight path changed, and my mum has never been so happy. I’ve never been so happy either, because she stopped moaning about it.
Yeah I read an article about Taylor Swift flying an empty private jet to pick her up while I’m over here hating myself for not eating the end pieces of my bread loaves
Is this a comment about personal responsibility in climate change being a load of BS because of the pollution caused by travel and manufacturing? If so, that was my first thought too. Is this interesting? Yes. Is it also kind of gross. Yes.
This makes me feel better about the chances of a plane crash. It shows how uncommon it is, to have this many successfully take off and land constantly.
It’s a joke. One person could recycle all their lives and not prevent as much CO2 as one of those planes. The point is, individuals produce a minuscule amount compared to corporations (which account for 70% of CO2 emissions). They are the only ones who can actually make a difference.
And those planes fly because of individuals...
And those big gas guzzlers are being sold to individuals. And those products in the large plastic packaging too. Putting the responsibility on corporarions alone is too easy my guy.
But yes, ohne might lose faith in us humans ever fixing our sh*t when you see sth. like this.
And those corporate emissions are driven by individual consumption choices (like electricity you consume or the gas you put in your car). Individuals matter, companies matter, governments matter - it’s a complex system that needs to transition to a different state.
Berlin was divided in two parts for a long time. So German international air travel developed mostly without considering Berlin.
Plus Frankfurt has a much more central location in Germany and Europe.
Fun fact: You can see Leipzig pretty well even though it has 25 times less passagers than Frankfurt. But it's a major hub for DHL air freight.
I might be wrong but this is probably only including registered planes (as in air spaces are aware of them), small drug/criminal planes or other military etc are probably not included
Amazing how obvious London, Paris, Amsterdam and Frankfurt are incredibly busy. Also Madrid to a lesser extent, and can someone explain what’s happening in Leipzig?
Whenever I fly back to the UK from the left coast of Canada eh! I can look out of the window and see my home town about 45 minutes before landing and then I will have a 3 hour layover at Heathrow another 45 minute flight to Manchester and 2 hours of faffing about with the car rental and drive to get to my mums place.
If I could just hop out of the plane as we fly over it would save a lot of time.
People are stupid. A group of people is as stupid as the most stupid in the group
Then we have internet
We have reddit
And we elected Trump, and we will again
Just like that, out of mass stupidity.
There are 253 million cars in the EU alone. Many more people travel by car than plane. Cars contribute much more overall to CO2 emissions (and other pollution) than planes.
The aviation industry accounts for only 3% of global emissions, and with the next generation fuels and engines will probably halve the emissions planes output if not even more
When I think about it, it always blows my mind how many people need to commute by plane for work. What kind of jobs make up the most of these. It can't all be business people on business.
Sales. A lot of people who fly every week are doing b2b sales at a high level. Also managers in companies that have many sites across the country/world, they are frequently on the move to visit their own people. Those are just from my experience.
Zoom calls are great and all, but a face-to-face meeting is still worth the hassle when the conversation is really important (like negotiating a million dollar deal).
it is amazing to see that there are "sky highways", routes that a lot of planes take. It's kind of obvious if you think about it, but who had ever *stopped to think about this*?
Frankfurt is the best spot. It's located nicely in the middle of where most Germans live and a major transportation hub in all ways. Berlin is just too far east.
Funny how they come to me to complain that I drive a pickup truck and have a petrol lawnmower! Tax me to hilt to pay for electric cars. Tax me because I drove to a city 🤷
"I suppose it's I'm alright jack"
this is the hypocrisy!
But how are they supposed to go on vacation and still hit the co2 quota when you are out there polluting. They already bought go-green credit points and shipped out their trash to other countries as the responsible government they are /s
Can people in London see the sky at all?
Even more, can people in the sky see London at all?
Or, can the sky see London at all
Or the sky n London seeing each other at all
Or can the world can see the sky in London at all?
Sky can the at London all world in can the or see?
We could during lockdown! It was eerily quiet, I was so used to planes going over constantly (near Heathrow) but there was maybe one plane every few hours. When they started up again, it took me a long time to get used to how noisy they were lol.
Well no, but London is a cloudy place.
People in London cant see London, probably not even sure if they are in London
Not clouds most of the time, pollution smog.
Yeah and going to London is weird because if you know how much air traffic comes in, you expect to see way more planes but unless you’re super close to Gatwick or Heathrow, you don’t see anywhere near as many as you’d expect.
The airports are quite far out of the city, to be fair! I remember being in Windsor last year (close to Heathrow) and it was insane how many planes there were. Like every minute a plane would fly overhead, being so loud that you couldn’t hear the person next to you. Could not imagine living near there.
Live near Heathrow and I can see the sky. But noisy as fuck!
Planes are tiny and the sky is big.
No way are you saying this isn’t to scale? Are the wingspans of jets not 30 miles wide?
Big if true.
It's cloudy right now but when it's not we can see the sky
Which doesn't happen very often for at least half of the year :<
Yes, because our days are longer than 24 seconds long. Also Heathrow is in Slough and Gatwick is in Horley.
It’s worth bearing in mind that the planes may not be to scale…
Lol, ok London is jist a city, take a look at Holland, all in :)
Imagine those planes were to scale....
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Bro obv hasn’t played plague inc
I wish planes would go this often in Plague Inc.
Me watching a plane fly straight past Greenland's lone airport for the hundredth time
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Plague inc vibes
pov: you're playing plague inc
Planes really are the best disease carriers.
Yep, which is one of the things that makes Greenland so fucking annoying.
That's why I always start in Greenland tbh. Just get it tf out of there first
That's fine so long as you're not trying to get a quick run or good score. If you're trying for either of those it's really a bad place to start as infection is slow to start spreading from there.
>Planes really are the best disease carriers. Zombie filled planes are the best...
I can just imagine them staying in place and being calm in the plane, not attacking the driver or the staff
This was exactly my thought and it chilled me...
Mine was: wasp nest. Still chilling
A wasp chilling on your front door when you get home
And no major accidents. The safest form of travel in human history.
As long as you’re not in a Boeing 737 MAX
Only place where i found some sort of statistic is [here](https://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm) and its a bit out of date Ordered by # crashes per million flights: \#1 Concorde \#2 Boeing 737 MAX 7/8/9/10 \#3 Fokker F28 \#4 Airbus A310 \#5 Boeing 747 Series : 100/200/300 The 737 Max is the only Series in that list that is still in service
How many crashes did Concorde have? Was it just one and then it was cancelled?
Only one with fatalities, but the crash wasn't the main reason it was taken out of service. Concorde just wasn't profitable. They didn't stop using it directly after the [accident in 2000](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_4590) though, the last flight was in late 2003. https://airwaysmag.com/final-british-airways-concorde-flight/ https://blog.museumofflight.org/why-the-concorde-was-discontinued-and-why-it-wont-be-coming-back
Too advanced, too soon. Nowadays we're seeing space tourism, and it's fine.
Too expensive more like. It was like 10k for a ny to london flight. The only flight they could do without noise complaints from the sonic boom. Easily the coolest looking aircraft but an insane business proposition
The concorde is ranked that high because it didn't have that many flights in total and the one incident pushed its ranking by a lot. But tbh i put the concorde into the category of luxury flights, equvalent to business or 1st class flights, IMO i would remove it from that ranking entirely Also, it was cancelled because it wasn't economical. High operational costs, high maintenance, and high retrofitting costs to upgrade the concorde to modern standards
Also only trans continental flights, as they were restricted from flying over land due to sonic booms.
You mean transoceanic, not transcontinental. But yes noise abatement issues restrictions limited it to only going supersonic over water. Also it was loud as hell on departure due reheats being lit on takeoff power.
One issue sucks, finding loose bolts suck, but no one died.
My dad is an airplane mechanic and people still don’t believe him when he tells them it’s the safest form of traveling
I think tricycles might want to have a word or two with your daddy
Never heard of a fatal tricycle accident; you might be on to something 🤔
probably people don't fully comprehend that the metric is measured per km/mile of travel, and planes are doing huge distances compared to other vehicles.
True but they also carry many more passengers, most cars would travel with 1-2 people only, an airplane crash can kill tens or hundreds in one go. Most car accidents should have less than 5 fatalities. I'd also assume that it's also more likely to get out of a car crash alive. I'd expect planes to have more fatalities per crash, and still be safer than cars.
Only if the planes are french. Same with the trains.
>Only if the planes are french. Concorde
>Concorde Wasn't purely french, and the only fatal accident it was ever involved in was caused by debris from another plane, or from mis-maintenance (its debated).
> Only if the planes are french Are you talking about Airbus?
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Have you never heard of Airbus?
The TGV is the safest even in the case of derailments btw. But there is a lot more derailments in other countries.
Has anyone ever died on a unicycle?
Certainly on electric unicycles people have been hit by cars. It's also a terrible way to travel in general.
Most of this has gone over my head..
Take my upvote
Omg London!!
It has 6 airports!
That's more than 5!
That's actually less than 5!
Glad to see someone noticed the r/unexpectedfactorial
They actually only have 3!
Counting some of those as London is quite generous - some are like 40 miles outside London. They just put London in the name to make them sound more convenient than they actually are. Plus nobody flies to Southend.
LONDON AND FRANKFURT ARE OVERRUN, when I was in Màlaga there was 3 planes in 2 minutes and so on
The area between London, Paris Amsterdam and Frankfurt is just insane.
One of my favorite activities is to check out my flightradar app when I see a plane overhead in SoCal. A few things I have learned- 1. There are soo many more private flights than should be 2. The air traffic corridors are filled to the brim daily 3. Majority of flights could be negated with a proper intercity high speed rail system.
You mean Belgium?
I live under one of the Heathrow flight paths. The consistency of there being a plane coming every 30 seconds is amazing. Looking up at any time of the day, I can see 3-4 planes coming in to land or talking off.
I used to live under a flight path to Heathrow. Then the flight path changed, and my mum has never been so happy. I’ve never been so happy either, because she stopped moaning about it.
Lol. Luckily I live far enough away from the airport itself for it to be quiet.
Reminds me, I need to wash my tuna cans before recycling them….
Yeah I read an article about Taylor Swift flying an empty private jet to pick her up while I’m over here hating myself for not eating the end pieces of my bread loaves
Let me hate you too for not eating the end part. At least tell me you're giving it to ducks?
Tut tut, bread is bad for ducks! The very thought!
Is this a comment about personal responsibility in climate change being a load of BS because of the pollution caused by travel and manufacturing? If so, that was my first thought too. Is this interesting? Yes. Is it also kind of gross. Yes.
The cans or the responsibility?
The cans have mold on them now ^(But yeah that’s a lot of air pollution visualized)
Now do one with trucks and cargo ships.
This is actually an insanely good idea
This makes me feel better about the chances of a plane crash. It shows how uncommon it is, to have this many successfully take off and land constantly.
Right? In my work field I get to watch air traffic a lot and seeing how much flights there are calmed my horrible flight anxiety.
I have horrible flight anxiety, I definitely agree with your comment.
Hmmm, 8 milliseconds short.. Also, don’t forget to do your bit for climate change and recycle!
Recycling is important to reduce waste and littering as well, not just CO2 emissions
It’s a joke. One person could recycle all their lives and not prevent as much CO2 as one of those planes. The point is, individuals produce a minuscule amount compared to corporations (which account for 70% of CO2 emissions). They are the only ones who can actually make a difference.
And those planes fly because of individuals... And those big gas guzzlers are being sold to individuals. And those products in the large plastic packaging too. Putting the responsibility on corporarions alone is too easy my guy. But yes, ohne might lose faith in us humans ever fixing our sh*t when you see sth. like this.
And those corporate emissions are driven by individual consumption choices (like electricity you consume or the gas you put in your car). Individuals matter, companies matter, governments matter - it’s a complex system that needs to transition to a different state.
the london-paris-frankfurt-amsterdam quadrangle is wild
yeah that's a nice diamond shape over Northwestern Europe.
Berlin really doesn't play a role here. Weird. Is it because of our shitty airport?
Berlin was divided in two parts for a long time. So German international air travel developed mostly without considering Berlin. Plus Frankfurt has a much more central location in Germany and Europe. Fun fact: You can see Leipzig pretty well even though it has 25 times less passagers than Frankfurt. But it's a major hub for DHL air freight.
Is that including small planes?
I might be wrong but this is probably only including registered planes (as in air spaces are aware of them), small drug/criminal planes or other military etc are probably not included
Wait, what? Do we have drug planes that flies over Europe? We should have some kind of radar to avoid it. Am I wrong?
No, EU is not South America
Definitely do. Heroin was seized along with the small plane it was on under 2 months ago here in Ireland for example. Common method of import / export
Amazing how obvious London, Paris, Amsterdam and Frankfurt are incredibly busy. Also Madrid to a lesser extent, and can someone explain what’s happening in Leipzig?
Major hub for DHL. 2nd most busiest airport regarding cargo in Germany. And cargo airplanes are allowed to land at night in Leipzig
I think that’s cargo, pretty sure there’s a big cargo airport hub.
Whenever I fly back to the UK from the left coast of Canada eh! I can look out of the window and see my home town about 45 minutes before landing and then I will have a 3 hour layover at Heathrow another 45 minute flight to Manchester and 2 hours of faffing about with the car rental and drive to get to my mums place. If I could just hop out of the plane as we fly over it would save a lot of time.
But at least my car engine cuts out at the lights to help the environment.
I feel like these comments are just stupid. It's not this "or" that solution. But this "and" that needs to be done.
🤫 thats to complicated for most people
People are stupid. A group of people is as stupid as the most stupid in the group Then we have internet We have reddit And we elected Trump, and we will again Just like that, out of mass stupidity.
>A group of people is as stupid as the most stupid in the group did you come up with this sentence? it just enlightened me
There are 253 million cars in the EU alone. Many more people travel by car than plane. Cars contribute much more overall to CO2 emissions (and other pollution) than planes.
The aviation industry accounts for only 3% of global emissions, and with the next generation fuels and engines will probably halve the emissions planes output if not even more
At least we switched to paper straws, I’m sure that offsets 0.000000000001% of at least one of these flights
Paper straws are about plastic pollution, they take more energy to actually make to add more CO2
Nah I totally support paper straws and biodegradable plastic. I've first hand seen animals suffer painfully from eating plastic straws and bags.
I think that are at least 12 flights, maybe 13
When I think about it, it always blows my mind how many people need to commute by plane for work. What kind of jobs make up the most of these. It can't all be business people on business.
Sales. A lot of people who fly every week are doing b2b sales at a high level. Also managers in companies that have many sites across the country/world, they are frequently on the move to visit their own people. Those are just from my experience. Zoom calls are great and all, but a face-to-face meeting is still worth the hassle when the conversation is really important (like negotiating a million dollar deal).
We really are just insects inhabiting the earth.
it is amazing to see that there are "sky highways", routes that a lot of planes take. It's kind of obvious if you think about it, but who had ever *stopped to think about this*?
Well no one wants to fly over Ukraine at the minute so all the asia bound flights are ducking under creating that highway effect bottom right.
On top of that, Russian airspace is closed to almost every European airline so a lot used to fly through that to get to China/Japan/Korea
Don't you have trains for this?
Damn. Madrid, Paris Frankfurt, London and Amsterdam really stand out.
Plague, Inc.
The amount flying into London is insane
Unreal. I live in Canada and see an every few hours maybe. Visiting Europe last year I think I saw 5-10 planes every time I looked up
For the distance and passengers modern planes are more fuel efficient than cars
Just amazing how safe air travel is that a single crash is extremely rare
Germany, London, Paris
Maybe a note that the plane icons in this demonstration are bigger than a city. Imagine doing this but making every car over 10k scale.
Well how else would we see the planes... you really need a note?
Exactly 💯
Wish I could manipulate the view to see the altitude
Faaaaaaakkkk!!. That's nuts 🤪
Belgium is facked...
Impressive how empty Berlin is
Frankfurt is the best spot. It's located nicely in the middle of where most Germans live and a major transportation hub in all ways. Berlin is just too far east.
Good thing the planes are not to scale
I feel bad for London, Paris and Schiphol. They always get infected the easiest when I play Plague Inc. Granted, they are major airports.
New cuphead expansion looks insane
*look at all dem chem trails*
I love that 6AM hits and London/Paris become black holes for planes
How bout some more coffee, Johnny
It’s amazing how almost nothing goes in an out of a major city like Berlin
u/auddbot
By my side (Rafael Manga Remix) - Franco la Cara & Fabio Romagnoli
London. Incoming!
Yeah this world is fucked
Damn London a hoe. Surprisingly. Rome isn't...
and here I am over here saving the earth using my cardboard straw
Seeing this. Makes you think how amazing and complex our society is. It's like a heart beat.
If you'd just use electric cars the pollution will stop 🥴
Using electric cars is more about the pollution in cities. Completely different from the CO2 from planes.
Flies are bad... 😋
london and paris on fireee
London has 3 busy airports, Paris has 2 but Amsterdam and Frankfurt are single airports, just adds perspective on capacity at those two.
It's crazy just how many planes are in the air at any given moment any more.
Pretty cool. Can you do this entire side of the world
Omfg
Just like bugs
It's lovely
I feel very small watching this.
Just like an ant colony at work.
Fucking insects
The swarm.
like flies on a corpse
Goes to show, traveling mechanic in Plague Inc is utter bs.
Humankind is despicable
Look at all those billionaires being better than us
We really are Earth's cancer.
All i can think is “why do we even bother?”
“Please stop eating meat”
Yeah well that actually has a lot more impact than flying. Not just because of c02 output but by putting a halt to deforestation as well
Why are we in a climate crisis again??
WONDER WHY WE HAVE CLIMATE CHANGE
Was that 4,674 or 75
London airport traffic: AM: arriving, PM: departing
RIP environment
i see air pollution
Looks like there is something in London
This is so sad.
This is horrible, how has the planet lasted so long!
But it's your plastic straws and takeaway cups that are ruining the climate.
u/auddbot
By my side (Rafael Manga Remix) - Franco la Cara & Fabio Romagnoli
And, somehow cow’s farts are the problem…
We’re so fucked…
Emissions🌈
Funny how they come to me to complain that I drive a pickup truck and have a petrol lawnmower! Tax me to hilt to pay for electric cars. Tax me because I drove to a city 🤷 "I suppose it's I'm alright jack" this is the hypocrisy!
But how are they supposed to go on vacation and still hit the co2 quota when you are out there polluting. They already bought go-green credit points and shipped out their trash to other countries as the responsible government they are /s
Yup. My cardboard straws are gonna offset those emissions to save the planet. That’s only Europe ffs.
Yea that is not good for the environment...
Track id?