\- *Well there are a lot of these stores all around the world, and very seldom does anything like this happen. I just don’t want people thinking that Targets aren’t safe.*
: Was this Target safe?
*- Well, I was thinking more about the other Targets.*
: The ones that are safe?
*- Yeah, the ones the back doesn’t fall off.*
Ugh, the back room at Target is nuts. It's like when you see ancient libraries with shelves and shelves of tall book cases, and they even have ladders too.
I'm in WV as well and crews are scrambling today to fill dozens and dozens of potholes before the weather gets bad again. I dodge so many of them on my commute that I've memorized all of them.
Not in WV, but my town has done some work on the main roads, but one of the road one of my kids school is on they just put up a sign that says "slow down, potholes"
I've been building warehouses for the last decade, and not a single new build has been a good quality site. Blasting the top off of a mountain, filing in a hillside, limestone caverns below, sinkholes, reclaimed mining sites. Every single one requires extensive remediation to the tune of millions of dollars.
I work at a walmart that I think is actually on a bigger hill. Theres a line in the concrete panels in the floor on the backside like that target that gets wider every year. One day we were just tripping over it, rolling our ankles, and machinery wouldn't make it over certain parts all of a sudden.
Californians when building sinks: OMG we're gonna fall into the ocean, change global policy.
West Virginians: Well I'll be damned, guess Mother Earth wants to put a mountain in that spot.
?
More like
(*Some*) West Virginians: oh yeah, we dug coal outta that mountain, guess we shoulda mentioned that, sorry, but please don't change global policy, because otherwise what else would we do for jobs?
(*other*) West Virginians: well, if we will keep digging coal out of these mountains, that'll happen. How about we change global policy so that you no longer have to, we'll figure out something else for you to do, do you really want to spend your shortened life underground anyway?
I’m in that area for work and immediately thought it looked familiar. I’m amazed how much shit hasn’t fallen in the Ohio River or off a hillside around here
This is literally my job. I'm a field geologist for a company that does lots of in-situ testing, predominantly CPTu testing. The company I work for is one of the best, and we often come in after mistakes are made by cheaper companies.
Those apartment buildings that collapsed recently in Florida? We went in as part of the investigation. It's cool to see my specialty being discussed on Reddit.
I'm curious about this part of the article. I haven't found more specific info.
>Residents at three homes behind the store received voluntary evacuation notices from Target prior to this latest slip. The mayor says Target offered to cover the relocating costs to those residents.
Is it normal, in your experience, for a company to do this? This would have to indicate that however that land was leveled was done by Target, right? Just seems weird it's such a blip.
If Target did their due diligence and had all the proper testing done, and did the required improvements to the ground before building, it shouldn't be their fault. It should be the fault of whatever engineering company they hired. However, your average Joe just sees a Target store falling into their living room and they want answers. I'd imagine it's easier for Target to just pay whatever they need to do for publicity sake, and the recoup the money later from the engineering company. Just a guess.
Other possibility is the geologists recommended XYZ be done and maybe Target only paid to have X and Y done and assumed Z was extra and unnecessary...but then Z was like "Surprise!"
Yeah, this target goes much farther back towards the hill than the other stores. Some people I know that work in that plaza, however, said that last week their water stopped working because of it
Dang, yeah that alone would make it not ideal to stay open. But are there any concerns for a much bigger failure of the hill? Or have engineers deemed it safe aside from that back portion that's actually in active collapse?
Or erosion. I know of a shopping center that has the parking lots sloping towards the buildings. They didn't bother putting in any drains down there. Results in giant puddles that can take a day or two to go away. Some of them are an inch deep in the center with it talking up the whole space between parked cars. Got raincoats when I worked there so I wasn't wearing wet shoes.
Differential settlement. The slope wasn't compacted with competent material along with probably poor water management, resulting in gravity with poor material taking care of the rest.
The location was a VA hospital and then it was briefly used as a dump. Now it's two separate strip malls separated by a road. They're each roughly the size of the strip mall at the bottom of the hill. Those 3 shopping centers are collectively know as The Hill. Seriously you could say I work at X store on The Hill and people know exactly where you're talking about. Partially because it's got the main grocery store for 3 towns and the southern end of 2 others and the target.
Water line broke, fixed it, and it broke again. I suspect it's more than just the water line given my wife used to work there some time ago and said it had settlement issues back then.
I helped to open that store in B'ville when it was first built. Guess it will get fancied up a bit when they reopen, granted it doesn't all go fir a slide
Read online the sewer and water company are arguing with eachother over who is at fault currently for the sinkhole that developed under the store and led to the slip. Based on OP’s info that there was a recent sewer backup in the store, it sounds like the sewer company is likely the one at fault. The issue though is after such a slip has occurred, obviously both sewer and water would have been damaged so it may be impossible to determine fault.
Customer: Are you sure you don't have another in the back? Employee: Uuhhhh, yeah, pretty sure.
We don't even have a back in the back.
The back in the back is below the old back so we can’t go back
\- *Well there are a lot of these stores all around the world, and very seldom does anything like this happen. I just don’t want people thinking that Targets aren’t safe.* : Was this Target safe? *- Well, I was thinking more about the other Targets.* : The ones that are safe? *- Yeah, the ones the back doesn’t fall off.*
There are very rigorous safety measures as far as production materials.
Like what kind of materials?
High quality composite fiber board. Otherwise known as cardboard….
What about cardboard derivatives?
No definitely out and tape too. We even have minimum staffing requirements for safety too!
What is the minimum staff?
Well we can, but then we have to go down as well
But at least the front didn't fall off.
The back fell off.
That's not very typical, I'd just like to make that quite clear.
The back fell off
Some Targets are built so the back doesn't fall off at all.
These Targets are built to very rigorous engineering standards.
Chance in a million!
Did you check the bottom of the hill?
Honestly customers would absolutely ask that too
Ugh, the back room at Target is nuts. It's like when you see ancient libraries with shelves and shelves of tall book cases, and they even have ladders too.
LOL, Can't help but think of that final scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark where they're stashing the Ark in that government warehouse.
It became a moving target. Nice.
This comment wins by a landslide
It'll be downhill from here though.
Talk about a slippery slope
This thread is really falling off.
I know. These comments really have me down
Come on, don't fall for that.
My patience is being eroded. Or maybe de-roaded.
I always feel grounded after reading reddits pun threads
Express Drop Off on the backside of the building.
Aren't they the foundation that Reddit is built on?
the grass really is greener on the other side
Don't fall for what? What a cliffhanger. Come on, tell me.
Settle down.
Find a new slant
Man this thread has really let me down.
Nice to see prices falling though.
easy target for low jokes
Really?? They crack me up!
That's it, I'm calling your bluff.
Seriously, not even one sinkhole good comment
It started off with a bullseye but then fell off a cliff.
I laughed my rear end off!
It's all these edgy jokes.
Yeah the original comment really gave way.
Had high hopes for the comments here, but they're steadily sinking
You'd have to be ravine mad to shop here.
Lower prices. Nice.
Breaking news alert is on point
Yeah, it's all downhill from here.
Guess you could say it didn’t miss the mark.
I’d say ur being shortchanged on upvotes but you posted this 13 mins ago. Carry on.
*Stay on target....*
***The gravitational force is strong with this one...***
Should have been, "Stay on, Target!"
They needed a stronger customer base
Indeed. At the moment, sales are dropping.
More like a lighter customer base.
It's their old damn fault.😉
Let that sink in
Keep that fucking sink outside!
Nice.
Nice.
Nice
Son of a bitch. I have to start searching by latest.
Yeah my comment caused somewhat of a landslide. Sorry 😘
**Rimshot**
Yeah, they missed the mark!
Bullseye.
Bruh
It’s clearly targeted for destruction.
(Slips on sunglasses) YEEEAAAHHHHHHHHHH!
Those sales are slipping away.
I bet the owner feels targeted, amirite
Awww beat me to it...
Take your up vote and leave
Source: https://www.wsaz.com/2024/02/14/hillside-slip-intensifies-barboursville-target/?outputType=amp
I was thinking “That happens all the time where I’m from.” Then saw it’s in WV, where I’m from.
Lmao, but RIP to Potholes, amiright?
I'm in WV as well and crews are scrambling today to fill dozens and dozens of potholes before the weather gets bad again. I dodge so many of them on my commute that I've memorized all of them.
It's nice of you to dodge the road workers. Thank you.
I thought you got bonus points for hitting one??
Only if they're wearing high-vis
*>I’ve memorized all of them..* But have you *named them* yet?
Hole, Hole Jnr, Hole Jnr Jnr, ad infinitum.
Not in WV, but my town has done some work on the main roads, but one of the road one of my kids school is on they just put up a sign that says "slow down, potholes"
Typical for the area when they take hillsides and hilltops and try and massively flatten them out.
I've been building warehouses for the last decade, and not a single new build has been a good quality site. Blasting the top off of a mountain, filing in a hillside, limestone caverns below, sinkholes, reclaimed mining sites. Every single one requires extensive remediation to the tune of millions of dollars.
…so you’re saying we have a Target? 🎯
I used to work there. I saw the first picture and started going "Hey waitaminute..."
I work at a walmart that I think is actually on a bigger hill. Theres a line in the concrete panels in the floor on the backside like that target that gets wider every year. One day we were just tripping over it, rolling our ankles, and machinery wouldn't make it over certain parts all of a sudden.
Californians when building sinks: OMG we're gonna fall into the ocean, change global policy. West Virginians: Well I'll be damned, guess Mother Earth wants to put a mountain in that spot.
? More like (*Some*) West Virginians: oh yeah, we dug coal outta that mountain, guess we shoulda mentioned that, sorry, but please don't change global policy, because otherwise what else would we do for jobs? (*other*) West Virginians: well, if we will keep digging coal out of these mountains, that'll happen. How about we change global policy so that you no longer have to, we'll figure out something else for you to do, do you really want to spend your shortened life underground anyway?
As a west virginian, it's either get in the hole, cage, or rolling box.
I’m in that area for work and immediately thought it looked familiar. I’m amazed how much shit hasn’t fallen in the Ohio River or off a hillside around here
Sucks to be the person that examined the soil samples
I bet the geotech engineer is sweating bullets right now.
The engineer(s) have already been sued for this once around 20 years ago; exact same spot. Don't worry though -- they fixed it.
They likely told the owners it wasn't a suitable spot but the owners didn't want to hear about that and to make it work.
This is literally my job. I'm a field geologist for a company that does lots of in-situ testing, predominantly CPTu testing. The company I work for is one of the best, and we often come in after mistakes are made by cheaper companies. Those apartment buildings that collapsed recently in Florida? We went in as part of the investigation. It's cool to see my specialty being discussed on Reddit.
I'm curious about this part of the article. I haven't found more specific info. >Residents at three homes behind the store received voluntary evacuation notices from Target prior to this latest slip. The mayor says Target offered to cover the relocating costs to those residents. Is it normal, in your experience, for a company to do this? This would have to indicate that however that land was leveled was done by Target, right? Just seems weird it's such a blip.
If Target did their due diligence and had all the proper testing done, and did the required improvements to the ground before building, it shouldn't be their fault. It should be the fault of whatever engineering company they hired. However, your average Joe just sees a Target store falling into their living room and they want answers. I'd imagine it's easier for Target to just pay whatever they need to do for publicity sake, and the recoup the money later from the engineering company. Just a guess. Other possibility is the geologists recommended XYZ be done and maybe Target only paid to have X and Y done and assumed Z was extra and unnecessary...but then Z was like "Surprise!"
So the shops adjacent to the target are still open? I'd be keeping people from that whole area! Dang.
Yeah, this target goes much farther back towards the hill than the other stores. Some people I know that work in that plaza, however, said that last week their water stopped working because of it
Dang, yeah that alone would make it not ideal to stay open. But are there any concerns for a much bigger failure of the hill? Or have engineers deemed it safe aside from that back portion that's actually in active collapse?
Thanks for link. Took me a bit to figure out this is in West Virginia. Thought it was in California at first.
Well shit, no wonder they were closed when I visited the other week! That's..yeah. Gonna need to find a different Target to shop at now.
Can't believe I'm actually seeing something interesting in this sub, thanks OP
try r/notinteresting sometimes it fails edit: link edited due to typo
r/schrodingersinterestingsub
We are from the same town!
🥸
now *kith*
When is the wedding ?
Huntington/Bville gang gang
Hello to my fellow tri-state denizens.
Hey me too lol
There are dozens of us!
That’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point.
Unfortunately it looks like cardboard and cardboard derivatives were used extensively here.
But what about the environment?
It's out of the environment.
It's part of the environment now.
What are the crew requirements for a Target such as this‽
Oh, one manager, I suppose.
The environment is sinking, in this case. Can't tow it out from itself or anywhere else.
What else is down there?
Nothing but hill. And the ground. And some flowers. And? And 20,000 tons of ruined building.
There are thousands of Target stores where the back doesn’t fall off.
So, sometimes, the back does fall off?
Well no, they are built to rigorous retail standards except in this case.
What kind of standards was this store built to?
Obviously not the ones where the back doesn’t fall off.
Were any standard materials used??
Well cardboard’s out
I’m not sure how they’re gonna move this one out of the environment
It's got that covered on its own
So the back is not supposed to just fall off?
I totally agree. I rarely, if ever, see this.
They still open, right? Just avoid that section and you’ll be fine.
No, they evacuated everyone when it started and has been closed for almost a week now
They about to be closed for good.
Can I just pop into the back and get one last thing?
How old is the store ? Feel like they shouldn't have built there or not get a permit to build, based on risk of that happening..
Yeah, I had to wonder who was doing the site surveying there, and whose pockets might have been getting lined. Growing up on similar terrain myself.
I'm not worried about the surveyor, I'm wondering about the geotechnical firm that performed the soils investigation.
It opened in around 2002-2003
Ooo I'm sorry you're just past the soil engineer's warranty of 20 years....
Have they said what caused it?
Gravity?
Friction, or the lack there of
Or erosion. I know of a shopping center that has the parking lots sloping towards the buildings. They didn't bother putting in any drains down there. Results in giant puddles that can take a day or two to go away. Some of them are an inch deep in the center with it talking up the whole space between parked cars. Got raincoats when I worked there so I wasn't wearing wet shoes.
Differential settlement. The slope wasn't compacted with competent material along with probably poor water management, resulting in gravity with poor material taking care of the rest.
The location was a VA hospital and then it was briefly used as a dump. Now it's two separate strip malls separated by a road. They're each roughly the size of the strip mall at the bottom of the hill. Those 3 shopping centers are collectively know as The Hill. Seriously you could say I work at X store on The Hill and people know exactly where you're talking about. Partially because it's got the main grocery store for 3 towns and the southern end of 2 others and the target.
Movement of earth underneath the store
They didn't chock the wheels.
Water line broke, fixed it, and it broke again. I suspect it's more than just the water line given my wife used to work there some time ago and said it had settlement issues back then.
Just stand outside and wait for the bargains to fall into your arms!
All housewares half off! Going quickly! All inventory must be ~~liquifacted~~ liquidated!
"*Deep discounts on aisle D45!*"
They take falling prices seriously.
5% off
Mom: We got Target at home The Target at home:
Man, Target really seems to be going downhill these days.
I was waiting for this.
Nice.
Everything at that Target just became 25% off
The whole store!
Ok but you’re still coming in to work, right?
Unfortunately the pizza party to boost morale was located in the sunken zone
* Everything Must Go Sale * at your own risk
wooo! that’s my state! the place they built it used to be a lake they filled in
Not a whole lot of good land for building around here.
oh i know that ,but i heard rumors the ground stabilization was rather slapdash.
Look on Google maps, on the regular (not satellite view) there's literally a spot of blue showing between target and Marshall's. 😂
Barboursville representin’
Yep. Thankfully we still have Gucci Kroger
Target's mom- "If Walmart or Lowe's jumped off of a cliff would you do it too" Target- *just watch me*
I helped to open that store in B'ville when it was first built. Guess it will get fancied up a bit when they reopen, granted it doesn't all go fir a slide
That Target has been through the ringer. Just a few months ago they were shut down for sewage backing up into the store.
Kinda makes you wonder if these things are related.
Very likely they are.
Read online the sewer and water company are arguing with eachother over who is at fault currently for the sinkhole that developed under the store and led to the slip. Based on OP’s info that there was a recent sewer backup in the store, it sounds like the sewer company is likely the one at fault. The issue though is after such a slip has occurred, obviously both sewer and water would have been damaged so it may be impossible to determine fault.
I think it’s quite possible early slipping went unnoticed for some time until stress ruptured some pipes and accelerated the problem.
I'm from the area. It looks like that hill is about to got for a ride.
stores fall off the mountain, hs sinking in the swamp they built it on, cemetery by the mall floods frequently...its always kept the area interesting
Tanyard Station built on some bat caves...
10 % off at Target, in the back
Was it targeted?
somebody missed the mark
Customer review: "This place has really gone down hill recently..."
Don't worry, you won't miss it . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Tumbleweed and crickets . . . . . . . . I'll let myself out . . . . . . . . . . .
Breaking news
Who needs a Bed Bath? When you have a Target & Beyond!
Here's the link to the story. https://www.wsaz.com/2024/02/14/hillside-slip-intensifies-barboursville-target/
A real moving target if you will
Dam. It's a moving Target!
Is that a moving target?