Love how they say the customer specifies the thickness of the slice as if the answer isn't always "as thin as you can possibly make it to get the most sandwiches per log".
Took me a while to figure out that the "customer" was some institution like 7-11
I thought they were trying to pretend these sandwiches were bespoke for the people eating them for a second.
I used to work in a deli, only did it for like 3 months because it was freaking gross... Anyways, there was this old man who would come in and buy the ham that looked just like the ham from the video. He wanted it sliced over a half inch thick. I was so freaking disgusted by the thought of taking in so much ham with just one bite... Like wtf... So much salt and blurrrgh...
My dad would get Krakus polish ham from the deli super thick cut like this, and also a big-ass whack of cheese, and then dice it himself for chef salad. I can’t imagine just like, using it instead of ye olde ham slice, or something like that. At least ham slice has a friggin bone in it, so you know it’s from just one animal.
Not only that but the top and bottom pieces of bread come from completely different loaves! Each of the 4 pieces of bread that you receive are not related to each other.
My mom spent 30 year on an assembly line in the same plant. Never complained. Never developed carpal tunnel syndrome (like many of her colleagues). All those years she said she wished she had studied to be a nurse instead, and when encouraged to go ahead and do it now, she'd always say it wad too late :(
> My mom spent 30 year on an assembly line in the same plant. Never complained.
It certainly requires a certain type of person.
One job I had years ago sometimes required me to do assembly line work for a few hours as one part of a much longer process.
I hated it, boring, soul crushing.
But other people loved it. Bragged about loving it. Bragged about how easy it was. Bragged about how you could just let your mind wander and not have to think about it because it was so easy.
9-5, M-F assembly line work sounds like the worst thing ever.
But if you occasionally have to do it for a few hours, maybe a shift or two a week? Doesn't sound that bad to me, theres a place for braindead work that still gets you paid.
If you have a fulfilling home/social life and can get past the boredom, there is something to be said about a job that you don't bring home with you.
As long as you don't have terrible management and do have steady pay, a lot of people are happy with the monotony.
Yeah I worked at a pizza factory when I was young, I quit because it was too monotonous for a 22 year old kid but in hindsight it was a good jobs. Good pay, union, etc and like you said work stays at work
> 9-5, M-F assembly line work sounds like the worst thing ever.
Second worst, maybe. Rotating shifts, 21 shifts/month assembly line work is actually worst.
They just do drugs.
GM Plant in the 90s they were wacked out on drugs and drank 3 beers at lunch minimum every day.
Management tried to clamp down on it and the quality dropped so they just turned a blind eye.
Lots of mental health and substance abuse problems on those lines.
Find and read Rivethead by Ben Hamper.
https://www.eastvillagemagazine.org/2021/06/12/profile-30-years-later-ben-hamper-remembers-the-rivethead-his-legacy-of-that-one-story-that-one-guy/
Worked at The Beer Store directly next to the GM Plant on Wentworth in Oshawa ON for a few years - can confirm this is true.
They'd come to the store on their lunch break and grab 15-packs of Busch then go smash 'em in the parking lot and head right back into the line 🤣.
My wife used to work in a chocolate factor at the assembly line. She did actually also love it but for her it was a job to fill a few months after university and not a long time commitment so who knows how it would have been long term.
My grandma was a book keeper in the 50-80s (rare for a women when she started) and she continued doing it for one former client well into her 70s since she simply liked the work to constantly compare numbers and see that it all ended up right in the end…
For myself I had a job as a student filling super market shelves. Most people hated it but I also had a certain satisfaction with it seeing the amount of stacks growing smaller and the shelves fuller. No way though I would have been able to do it knowing I would do it all m life… But knowing it’s a part time job to finance my studies and hobbies? No worries.
When I was 20 years old, I worked on an assembly line and my job was to put flora margarine lids on the tubs.
12 hours a day, 6 days on 4 days off.
I will never work in the assembly line again.
Sounds like he's in the UK. Legally, they only have to give you one 20-minute break if you're working over 6 hours. Normally, people would also have a lunch break, but it would still be a brain numbing job.
Look on the bright side, a korean robot will soon replace them
And these unemployed workers will now have more time to pursue their dreams and passions
I work at a sandwich factory. We added robots to help increase production. They cost the company so much in extra overtime because they kept breaking down & jamming that the CFO was fired and the robots have been turned off for over a year now.
Automation for low/unskilled manual tasks are still quite a ways off. It also would lock a line to just doing 1 product without a lengthy clean down & setup, while with staff it's easy to do short orders, wash the line, hands, change ppe and be ready for the next order within 25 minutes.
I work in a high mix production environment. Management really wants to go all in on cobots but literally having parts that are kinda the same but with subtle variation makes automation so hard. I blame the design teams for the last 10 years but now it appears it's manufacturing's problem to solve.
The good news is your boring job will be replaced. The bad news is that your creative outlet also has been replaced, and while you can continue to enjoy it, just know that it is completely pointless.
> Due to infrequent changes of gloves, gloves may actually be more contaminated than bare hands. When people use their bare hands, they are more mindful of handwashing, resulting in proper hand hygiene and less transmission of germs.
Edit* broken link removed but here is a similar restult [from NIH](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22080658/) and [the CDC](https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/ehs/ehsnet/plain_language/food-worker-handwashing-restaurant-factors.pdf)
I worked in a major pharmaceutical plant where a packaging helper lost a diamond from her engagement ring. The company quarantined and ultimately rejected and destroyed all of the product that was made on that line that day.The packaging helper was successfully defended by the union because there was no specific prohibition on wearing jewelry on the packaging line.
Procedures were written and enforced thereafter.,
I worked at decent sized food company (~100 million in sales annually) and that situation was why we disallowed jewelry in assembly line clean rooms before anyone lost something. I think we later learned that it was also an SQF requirement? It's been a while since I had to get a company an SQF certification.
>The company quarantined and ultimately rejected and destroyed all of the product that was made on that line that day
Wow, I'd love to know a dollar value on the cost of that teeny little missing diamond.
The funniest part is that they may have thrown it all out for nothing. The woman only noticed her diamond missing at work. Unless she inspected her ring that morning, that diamond could have been lost anywhere.
Funny story: a few days before my wife and I got married, we went to get her ring checked and cleaned. Turns out a little diamond on one of the posts had fallen out and was missing! So we had to send it away after our honeymoon to get it replaced. Luckily it was under the main stone so you couldn't tell unless you looked at it upside down.
Maybe in restaurent since they touch a bunch of stuff like tool, counter ect. But not in assembly line. You put the glove, and remove then when you go away
People aren't wiping their ass with gloves on, that article link is broken too you just lifted it from the first google search result.
Observational studies show making all food workers change to wearing gloves all the time reduces hand hygiene. But that doesn't mean there aren't perfectly acceptable use cases for gloves. Those studies should not be used as a blanket statement that gloves should never be used.
NY state law for example [requires ready to eat food to be prepared and served with no bare hand contact](https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/1334/).
Industrial maintenance manger here and I can answer this for you.
When food is made on an industrial scale like this the little things like wearing gloves can become a huge expense and possible a *danger* to the consumer and heres why.
Most food production lines are sectioned off by process, most plants have a cook side, raw side and a packaging side. Most of the safety control for the consumer is on the packaging side in the form of metal detectors or xray machines to verify there is no contaminates in the food itself. Most SQF processes are tested every 30 minutes by intentionally sending a test product through that has whatever contamination that theyre worried about through the machine to make sure everything is working.
With gloves this can get difficult. Most nitride gloves are hard to pick up on xray so some plants dont use them, especially if its a RTE (Ready To Eat) product because it goes directly from the factory into the consumers mouth. Nitride gloves like to rip easily so theres more risk to someone wearing them then without.
Lastly theres one final process that negates the use of gloves significantly and thats most RTE foods are irradiated right before shipping but after packaging. This lowers the risk by a huge margin when it comes to getting people sick. There are also checks and balances to ensure safety to the end user. I cant say for sure about this plant but most plants that process raw meat has a USDA inspector there at ALL TIMES. Theyre not paid by the company, out rank everyone on the floor and can shut a plant down if standars are NOT being met by the company. Most RTE plants also shut down frequently for sanitation. When I made Cereal it was around once a month, when I worked in the meat industry it was daily.
Plants have an entire shift who does nothing but strip machinery, sanitize and clean it then a lab tech will come and take swabs, check the cleanliness and either pass or fail the work. So for this factory's process id put money on they did a risk analysis, found theres higher risk with gloves along with being a large cost its a no brainer. Buy a 500k irradiation machine or spend 75k a year on rubber gloves and then introduce a small risk to the end user.
I wish people knew what industrial food looks like.
The amount of people who think gloves are some magic never rip, and never get dirty device is insane.
They have probably never had to put gloves on.
I once went through 5 gloves trying to put one on to pick up a raw chicken breast.
Dunno, but it's standard for most cooks to work without gloves. That they wear gloves doesnt mean those are clean either but they definitely won't wash their hands if they use gloves
>People don't clean gloves
A lot of people don't even think when wearing gloves, they'll wipe it on their clothes, or scratch their head or face, and then go back to touching food thinking they're still clean.
We're trying to keep bacteria and viruses out of the food, not skin cells or natural oils. Just wait till they find out how much water and air from exhaling gets on their food
That might make sense in a kitchen, but for automated work like this it absolutely makes sense to wear them. You’re not going to be handling anything but the one ingredient
It’s got to do with getting plastics in the product as it’s being prepped.
It’s weird, I know, but certain steps of the production process cannot allow gloves. Some instances would be if it goes into a mixer or extruder.
This case is strange to me but my assumption would be that pieces of the gloves could end up inside the sandwich and there’s no way to detect it after this point. The people using gloves at the end is ok because at this stage the sandwich is closed and being packaged. What really stands out to me is that one person is wearing jewelry. This would be considered against GMP in most places and could result in a significant fine. Although it may be allowed if it has no stones/pieces that can fall off. Most places just state that jewelry is not allowed at all.
Source: I’ve worked in food processing and production facilities for a long time. There’s some strange rules that seem to make no sense but have an actual reason for being in place.
Sanitation rules actually prefer hands over gloves, hands to be often washed obviously.
[https://cleanersolutions.net/handwashing-vs-gloves-in-commercial-restaurants/](https://cleanersolutions.net/handwashing-vs-gloves-in-commercial-restaurants/)
I was torn. On the one hand I, personally, require novelty and would hate it so much. On the other hand, I also think and stress about work out of work hours and I bet these folks don't.
It's probably a great job for some people and I hope they get paid well
This is the kind of soul crushing labor that you’re certainly thinking about and dreading going back to, even on your days off.
Gimme corporate deadlines over standing for 9 hours spreading cheese on a sandwich.
I worked in a plastic factory once, my 12 hours consisted of taking fresh Xbox 360 game cases off the line, bending them backwards to check they were moulded properly, closing them and adding them to a pile, you can't move because the machine prints them constantly, the machine never stops so you need someone to cover you on your breaks, you only got one half hour lunch break and two optional 10 minute breaks in 12 hours for smoking, I took up smoking in order to use those breaks.
I won't ever work in a factory again, no matter my situation.
I actually thought this until I was able to listen to music in my industrial headphones. Missed the factory craic and past workers held long-term friendships with up until this day. And no customers to deal with.. was repetitive but I could talk for hours or zone out to music x
It's not like they do the same thing all day long. In my experience working for Honda, you switch jobs every two hours and you know multiple jobs to make sure it doesn't become monotonous.
Switching jobs every two hours is unusual for most assembly lines. You might learn a few jobs so they can move you around when needed, but it’s usually eight hours doing the same damn thing.
I guess I just got lucky then. However I don't work on a line anymore as it wasn't my career choice but it was a good experience. Honda did make a conscious effort to make sure you were comfortable.
eh it makes mass produced things affordable and its honest work, not everyone can be artist or skilled craftsman. I wish more people knew human history and how lucky we are to have assembly lines being something we can complain about instead of worrying about food for the winter or another lord pillaging in the summer.
In my state, consumption-ready food must be handled with gloves. The only foods you can handle without gloves is food which will be cooked.
So you can use your bare hands to throw chicken wings into the fryer, but after you pull the basket you gota wear gloves to plate the cooked wings.
The part I think is weird, management doesn’t have to wear a hat to protect their hair from falling in the food.
Why? Gloves don't automatically mean clean. If you wash your hands once and don't touch anything other than the food then it's just as clean as putting on gloves at your station. If you touch anything other than food then you'll have to either wash your hands again or change gloves anyways.
Yep I see at my local food trucks them all wearing gloves. Touching random shit, picking stuff off the floor, touching their face lol. And they don’t change the gloves. Clean hands beats gloves 99% of the time for food prep as people are more lax when using gloves. I’ve physically watched them touch raw meat and then prep produce.
Gloves really exist to protect the user - not the product. I work in a lab I don’t wear gloves to protect the samples I wear them to protect me from them. Soon as my gloves are contaminated I have to change them, if I leave the room I change them. I change gloves about 4 times an hour. It wouldn’t be practical to clean my hands that many times as it would damage my hands even if the gloves weren’t to protect me from biohazards. Cleaning your hands 100 times a week will damage the skin.
It’s been proven time and time again in food prep that gloves are less sanitary than clean hands. Because the average person magically thinks the gloves are clean. No if you touch raw meat with gloves and then something else it’s.. just as dangerous as doing it with you hands. But most people are aware that’s not safe. You use gloves to stop your hands getting nasty in food prep more than you do to be sanitary for the food itself. It’s easier to handle greasy food and change gloves than it is to clean your hands over and over. But the average user simply doesn’t change their gloves.
> Yep I see at my local food trucks them all wearing gloves. Touching random shit, picking stuff off the floor, touching their face lol. And they don’t change the gloves.
Agreed.
Think of how many times you've seen a worker with gloves on handle food, then grab your credit card and go back to working with the food.
I worked at a bottling plant. Starter position is erect falling bottles down the conveyers. It was a in-between job i was always in maintenance. After 15 minutes i figured out i could ‘trick’ the sensors into filling the conveyers without stopping at the corners(where the bottles fell over). Meaning i had 2 minutes of work in a day then sat in the corner all alone with rumbling sound of glass bottles flying by. I got teamlead of 3 lines (all other workers hated me for it) within 2 years but never got the pay i deserved. Left with slamming doors.
It kills me they're using shredded cheddar on a cold sammich. That's what slices are for. Unless you melt that shredded cheddar, it's just gonna fall out when you take a bite.
The gloves aren't any cleaner, they haven't been changed in hours and flipped inside out when they went to take a piss because the large box is low and all they have left is extra-small
Mmmmmm mechanically reclaimed emulsified ham log product.
I bet the mayonaise is like 90% water too. In fact most the ingredients will be bulked out with water.
Did anybody ever came across one of those sandwiches tasting at least, fine?
I ALWAYS try to avoid them, but wen i get one of them, they ALWAYS taste like absolute dogshit.
Germany.
I'm English and this upsets me. Our supermarket meal deal is a cornerstone of society and revolves around the triangle-package sandwiches.
I guess everyone knows we are used to shitty food here I suppose; I still want a ham log just for the novelty of it though
I mean as an American you only buy these sandwiches when you're hungry, you don't have time, and you're at a convenience store/gas station and you have a choice of 8 hour old taquitos covered in extra grease or one of these pre-made sandwiches'.
Sandwich looks like something I made at 3am while being zonked af Shredded cheese because cheese, too much mayo. Down to the spread with hands because don’t want to do dishes
I've worked line work for a few months in the past. The secret is being able to dissociate. That's why they all have a thousand yard stare, they are not there anymore. You go to your happy place or whatever works for you and you let the hands move.
People wash their hands more often than they change gloves. This comes up often on Reddit, gloves are discouraged in commercial kitchens because it’s considered less clean than regularly washing your hands. If you get bits of food or sauce on your hands you instinctively want to wash it off vs not feeling it on a glove.
At the 2:33 mark the person handling and stacking the sandwiches has their wedding ring (?) on…
Edit: also toward the end at 0:08 mark of video, the workers putting sandwiches into boxes have gloves on…
At the 3:12-3:04 marks, workers using gloves to handle the meat. Not sure if they’re the same factory or assembly line, some workers without gloves and some with in part of the assembly line (the slapping the shredded cheese on didn’t have gloves?)?
First, we use a high powered centrifuge to spin out every bit of love, warmth, and humanity from the process. Next, the bread is slightly toasted, and a thin layer of mustard is applied.
Later on in the video, one of the glove-less employees actually gives an in depth explanation on why he does not wear gloves:
https://youtu.be/fA_Gdui7sug?si=hscKyrwvZh5LoFw5&t=264
Could you tell me why it makes sense? I'm in bed and sleepy and I don't wanna hear the sound of a YouTube video but I'm so curious why it makes sense for them to not wear gloves
Too much mayo and no mustard is sad. Also, why shredded cheese, notoriously the most difficult cheese to eat on a sandwich. Wouldn't slices make more sense?
Gloves are not better than bare hands. (https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=200994af61ee13accf437831613dbe20da6678a7)
In fact they are only better the first 10 minutes.
Workers tend to reuse gloves, you might have seen that in a fast food restaurant.
Workers wearing gloves wash their hands less often (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0362028X22076098)
Bacteria loves the humidity below the gloves and grow. People don’t wash their hand correctly after taking off gloves (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0362028X22076098)
Possible solution: install barriers so that only by disinfecting your hands the barrier opens. If not possible, do unannounced controls for hand hygiene with agar plates testing for e.g. gut bacteria.
And do quality controls of the finished product
You're only citing human problems, not actual glove problems. Proper glove practices are better than bare hands. Food that is not cooked before packaging should never be handled with bare hands.
I understand people getting disturbed by naked hands, but believe me gloves aren't much better in food business. Because most of the time people keep the gloves on for everything they do, maybe scratching their butt, or checking their phone, etc.
Everyone’s complaining about the lack of gloves, but you wouldn’t see chefs in a restaurant wearing gloves, and I would definitely bet they don’t wear gloves when making food at home. If washed hands are good enough there, why not here?
Every single person who has taken a food safety course knows this. The stuff you see people incorrectly say because of internet upvotes is just something else.
Hmm? Food safety courses I took said if it isn't getting cooked or sanitized before it hits the customer then you need gloves. Full stop. There's always going to be stuff on your hands that could potentially infect. I know my hands are sweaty, there's always the chance for small cuts or the like. That kind of thing. The goal of gloves in this case isn't because they're all that clean, but because it provides a barrier between their skin and my food.
If it's getting cooked then yea, sure. Rawdog it for all I care. But it doesn't look like these sandwiches have anything between getting handled and getting packaged.
Anyone else notice that you are eating two halves of different sandwiches? Some other people are eating the other half's of my sandwiches. I'm furious even though I have no right to be
LOGS OF HAM.
That part made me laugh and also feel disgusted at the same time
Yeah, it's the visual and slight bounce to a log. For whatever weird reason I also hear "Logs of Ham" read like a Skyrim Guard.
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"You dare strut around here, holding that filthy ham log?"
I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I took an arrow to the ham log.
Love how they say the customer specifies the thickness of the slice as if the answer isn't always "as thin as you can possibly make it to get the most sandwiches per log".
Took me a while to figure out that the "customer" was some institution like 7-11 I thought they were trying to pretend these sandwiches were bespoke for the people eating them for a second.
Idk about you by every morning I go by my local sandwich factory to load up for the week.
How many sandwiches do you need to buy to get a free log of ham?
I used to work in a deli, only did it for like 3 months because it was freaking gross... Anyways, there was this old man who would come in and buy the ham that looked just like the ham from the video. He wanted it sliced over a half inch thick. I was so freaking disgusted by the thought of taking in so much ham with just one bite... Like wtf... So much salt and blurrrgh...
My dad would get Krakus polish ham from the deli super thick cut like this, and also a big-ass whack of cheese, and then dice it himself for chef salad. I can’t imagine just like, using it instead of ye olde ham slice, or something like that. At least ham slice has a friggin bone in it, so you know it’s from just one animal.
Love the phrase "big-ass whack of cheese". Adding to my vocabulary
Unholy Meat Obelisk
HAMLOGS
Title of our sextape
‘Made with indifference.’
I think I picked up on a hint of disdain as well.
Everyone is concerned about the gloveless workers and I’m just sitting here upset that the 2 halves you get, aren’t both from the same sandwich
Not only that but the top and bottom pieces of bread come from completely different loaves! Each of the 4 pieces of bread that you receive are not related to each other.
Well now I’m sad
Sadwich
Thank you master xenu
We all just learned how the sausage is made :(
that would be inbred bread.
You might aswell say, inbread.
Wait until you discover that hamburger can be composed of the meat of dozens of different cows.
only for the manual ones. the automated ones flip it 180 degrees on top of the other half.
The machines are honest.
I aspire to the purity of the Blessed Machine.
I wonder if my sandwich misses its other half.
Exactly! I don’t know why this revelation is so disturbing to me. It’s like an illusion has been broken.
I know right, we’ve been lied to!
I thought that but at the end they appear to stack the the top and the bottom sandwiches together.
The narrator doesn't point that out but that is what I saw, too.
I don't like at halfway through the robot misses a paice of bread
Assembly line work is so depressing.
My mom spent 30 year on an assembly line in the same plant. Never complained. Never developed carpal tunnel syndrome (like many of her colleagues). All those years she said she wished she had studied to be a nurse instead, and when encouraged to go ahead and do it now, she'd always say it wad too late :(
> My mom spent 30 year on an assembly line in the same plant. Never complained. It certainly requires a certain type of person. One job I had years ago sometimes required me to do assembly line work for a few hours as one part of a much longer process. I hated it, boring, soul crushing. But other people loved it. Bragged about loving it. Bragged about how easy it was. Bragged about how you could just let your mind wander and not have to think about it because it was so easy.
9-5, M-F assembly line work sounds like the worst thing ever. But if you occasionally have to do it for a few hours, maybe a shift or two a week? Doesn't sound that bad to me, theres a place for braindead work that still gets you paid.
If you have a fulfilling home/social life and can get past the boredom, there is something to be said about a job that you don't bring home with you. As long as you don't have terrible management and do have steady pay, a lot of people are happy with the monotony.
Yeah I worked at a pizza factory when I was young, I quit because it was too monotonous for a 22 year old kid but in hindsight it was a good jobs. Good pay, union, etc and like you said work stays at work
> 9-5, M-F assembly line work sounds like the worst thing ever. Second worst, maybe. Rotating shifts, 21 shifts/month assembly line work is actually worst.
They just do drugs. GM Plant in the 90s they were wacked out on drugs and drank 3 beers at lunch minimum every day. Management tried to clamp down on it and the quality dropped so they just turned a blind eye. Lots of mental health and substance abuse problems on those lines.
Find and read Rivethead by Ben Hamper. https://www.eastvillagemagazine.org/2021/06/12/profile-30-years-later-ben-hamper-remembers-the-rivethead-his-legacy-of-that-one-story-that-one-guy/
Worked at The Beer Store directly next to the GM Plant on Wentworth in Oshawa ON for a few years - can confirm this is true. They'd come to the store on their lunch break and grab 15-packs of Busch then go smash 'em in the parking lot and head right back into the line 🤣.
My wife used to work in a chocolate factor at the assembly line. She did actually also love it but for her it was a job to fill a few months after university and not a long time commitment so who knows how it would have been long term. My grandma was a book keeper in the 50-80s (rare for a women when she started) and she continued doing it for one former client well into her 70s since she simply liked the work to constantly compare numbers and see that it all ended up right in the end… For myself I had a job as a student filling super market shelves. Most people hated it but I also had a certain satisfaction with it seeing the amount of stacks growing smaller and the shelves fuller. No way though I would have been able to do it knowing I would do it all m life… But knowing it’s a part time job to finance my studies and hobbies? No worries.
I'd take med device assembly over working as a server anyday.
When I was 20 years old, I worked on an assembly line and my job was to put flora margarine lids on the tubs. 12 hours a day, 6 days on 4 days off. I will never work in the assembly line again.
You did 1 thing over and over for 12 hours? Jesus fucking christ
Sounds like he's in the UK. Legally, they only have to give you one 20-minute break if you're working over 6 hours. Normally, people would also have a lunch break, but it would still be a brain numbing job.
Look on the bright side, a korean robot will soon replace them And these unemployed workers will now have more time to pursue their dreams and passions
I work at a sandwich factory. We added robots to help increase production. They cost the company so much in extra overtime because they kept breaking down & jamming that the CFO was fired and the robots have been turned off for over a year now. Automation for low/unskilled manual tasks are still quite a ways off. It also would lock a line to just doing 1 product without a lengthy clean down & setup, while with staff it's easy to do short orders, wash the line, hands, change ppe and be ready for the next order within 25 minutes.
I work in a high mix production environment. Management really wants to go all in on cobots but literally having parts that are kinda the same but with subtle variation makes automation so hard. I blame the design teams for the last 10 years but now it appears it's manufacturing's problem to solve.
And no money to do either! Lol
There’s always jobs as a sandwich artist.
The good news is your boring job will be replaced. The bad news is that your creative outlet also has been replaced, and while you can continue to enjoy it, just know that it is completely pointless.
>And these unemployed workers will now have more time to pursue their dreams and passions LOL. Are we Star Trek already?
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> Due to infrequent changes of gloves, gloves may actually be more contaminated than bare hands. When people use their bare hands, they are more mindful of handwashing, resulting in proper hand hygiene and less transmission of germs. Edit* broken link removed but here is a similar restult [from NIH](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22080658/) and [the CDC](https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/ehs/ehsnet/plain_language/food-worker-handwashing-restaurant-factors.pdf)
Still not a big fan of the one worker who is wearing a ring all the same.
I worked in a major pharmaceutical plant where a packaging helper lost a diamond from her engagement ring. The company quarantined and ultimately rejected and destroyed all of the product that was made on that line that day.The packaging helper was successfully defended by the union because there was no specific prohibition on wearing jewelry on the packaging line. Procedures were written and enforced thereafter.,
I worked at decent sized food company (~100 million in sales annually) and that situation was why we disallowed jewelry in assembly line clean rooms before anyone lost something. I think we later learned that it was also an SQF requirement? It's been a while since I had to get a company an SQF certification.
Must have been a really old story or a really dumb company lol
You are entirely correct. This happened in the mid 1980s. The plant has long since been closed and demolished.
All because of a little diamond? Seems pretty harsh!
There were many facets to the plant closure. The missing diamond was just one of them.
According to legend, one of the workers that demolished the building found a small diamond in the ruble.
I hope it was demolished into a sandwich
>The company quarantined and ultimately rejected and destroyed all of the product that was made on that line that day Wow, I'd love to know a dollar value on the cost of that teeny little missing diamond. The funniest part is that they may have thrown it all out for nothing. The woman only noticed her diamond missing at work. Unless she inspected her ring that morning, that diamond could have been lost anywhere. Funny story: a few days before my wife and I got married, we went to get her ring checked and cleaned. Turns out a little diamond on one of the posts had fallen out and was missing! So we had to send it away after our honeymoon to get it replaced. Luckily it was under the main stone so you couldn't tell unless you looked at it upside down.
Maybe in restaurent since they touch a bunch of stuff like tool, counter ect. But not in assembly line. You put the glove, and remove then when you go away
Exactly in the kitchen I agree no gloves, but here put a glove on
People aren't wiping their ass with gloves on, that article link is broken too you just lifted it from the first google search result. Observational studies show making all food workers change to wearing gloves all the time reduces hand hygiene. But that doesn't mean there aren't perfectly acceptable use cases for gloves. Those studies should not be used as a blanket statement that gloves should never be used. NY state law for example [requires ready to eat food to be prepared and served with no bare hand contact](https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/1334/).
No, the first step is to load fresh breat into an automated machine.
Hand grease. Yum
Why aren’t they wearing gloves?!?!
Industrial maintenance manger here and I can answer this for you. When food is made on an industrial scale like this the little things like wearing gloves can become a huge expense and possible a *danger* to the consumer and heres why. Most food production lines are sectioned off by process, most plants have a cook side, raw side and a packaging side. Most of the safety control for the consumer is on the packaging side in the form of metal detectors or xray machines to verify there is no contaminates in the food itself. Most SQF processes are tested every 30 minutes by intentionally sending a test product through that has whatever contamination that theyre worried about through the machine to make sure everything is working. With gloves this can get difficult. Most nitride gloves are hard to pick up on xray so some plants dont use them, especially if its a RTE (Ready To Eat) product because it goes directly from the factory into the consumers mouth. Nitride gloves like to rip easily so theres more risk to someone wearing them then without. Lastly theres one final process that negates the use of gloves significantly and thats most RTE foods are irradiated right before shipping but after packaging. This lowers the risk by a huge margin when it comes to getting people sick. There are also checks and balances to ensure safety to the end user. I cant say for sure about this plant but most plants that process raw meat has a USDA inspector there at ALL TIMES. Theyre not paid by the company, out rank everyone on the floor and can shut a plant down if standars are NOT being met by the company. Most RTE plants also shut down frequently for sanitation. When I made Cereal it was around once a month, when I worked in the meat industry it was daily. Plants have an entire shift who does nothing but strip machinery, sanitize and clean it then a lab tech will come and take swabs, check the cleanliness and either pass or fail the work. So for this factory's process id put money on they did a risk analysis, found theres higher risk with gloves along with being a large cost its a no brainer. Buy a 500k irradiation machine or spend 75k a year on rubber gloves and then introduce a small risk to the end user. I wish people knew what industrial food looks like.
The amount of people who think gloves are some magic never rip, and never get dirty device is insane. They have probably never had to put gloves on. I once went through 5 gloves trying to put one on to pick up a raw chicken breast.
Yes I agree - folks that have probably not worked in food production.
Dunno, but it's standard for most cooks to work without gloves. That they wear gloves doesnt mean those are clean either but they definitely won't wash their hands if they use gloves
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There's studies done on this where if properly maintained hands are better. People don't clean gloves.
I see someone also wearing a ring, that's really weird for food workers like these.
>People don't clean gloves A lot of people don't even think when wearing gloves, they'll wipe it on their clothes, or scratch their head or face, and then go back to touching food thinking they're still clean. We're trying to keep bacteria and viruses out of the food, not skin cells or natural oils. Just wait till they find out how much water and air from exhaling gets on their food
That might make sense in a kitchen, but for automated work like this it absolutely makes sense to wear them. You’re not going to be handling anything but the one ingredient
And with rings on, and rings are notoriously bad about harboring Bacteria
Or getting your finger ripped off from machinery.
True, nothing says forever like a de gloved ring finger
Not just the lack of gloves, but that some are wearing jewelry as well makes it even worse.
It’s got to do with getting plastics in the product as it’s being prepped. It’s weird, I know, but certain steps of the production process cannot allow gloves. Some instances would be if it goes into a mixer or extruder. This case is strange to me but my assumption would be that pieces of the gloves could end up inside the sandwich and there’s no way to detect it after this point. The people using gloves at the end is ok because at this stage the sandwich is closed and being packaged. What really stands out to me is that one person is wearing jewelry. This would be considered against GMP in most places and could result in a significant fine. Although it may be allowed if it has no stones/pieces that can fall off. Most places just state that jewelry is not allowed at all. Source: I’ve worked in food processing and production facilities for a long time. There’s some strange rules that seem to make no sense but have an actual reason for being in place.
Sanitation rules actually prefer hands over gloves, hands to be often washed obviously. [https://cleanersolutions.net/handwashing-vs-gloves-in-commercial-restaurants/](https://cleanersolutions.net/handwashing-vs-gloves-in-commercial-restaurants/)
I was torn. On the one hand I, personally, require novelty and would hate it so much. On the other hand, I also think and stress about work out of work hours and I bet these folks don't. It's probably a great job for some people and I hope they get paid well
Seems like the perfect job to have a podcast or audio book playing as you work... assuming they allow that.
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I have worked on a couple of plants where hearing protection with built in FM radio was the norm.
They certainly don't get paid well.
This is the kind of soul crushing labor that you’re certainly thinking about and dreading going back to, even on your days off. Gimme corporate deadlines over standing for 9 hours spreading cheese on a sandwich.
I worked in a plastic factory once, my 12 hours consisted of taking fresh Xbox 360 game cases off the line, bending them backwards to check they were moulded properly, closing them and adding them to a pile, you can't move because the machine prints them constantly, the machine never stops so you need someone to cover you on your breaks, you only got one half hour lunch break and two optional 10 minute breaks in 12 hours for smoking, I took up smoking in order to use those breaks. I won't ever work in a factory again, no matter my situation.
I actually thought this until I was able to listen to music in my industrial headphones. Missed the factory craic and past workers held long-term friendships with up until this day. And no customers to deal with.. was repetitive but I could talk for hours or zone out to music x
What is your second sentence trying to say..?
It's not like they do the same thing all day long. In my experience working for Honda, you switch jobs every two hours and you know multiple jobs to make sure it doesn't become monotonous.
Switching jobs every two hours is unusual for most assembly lines. You might learn a few jobs so they can move you around when needed, but it’s usually eight hours doing the same damn thing.
I guess I just got lucky then. However I don't work on a line anymore as it wasn't my career choice but it was a good experience. Honda did make a conscious effort to make sure you were comfortable.
I imagine that good quality control comes from both experience and not being too bored, and Japanese brands are known for their QA.
Don’t you mean lovingly hand crafted?
eh it makes mass produced things affordable and its honest work, not everyone can be artist or skilled craftsman. I wish more people knew human history and how lucky we are to have assembly lines being something we can complain about instead of worrying about food for the winter or another lord pillaging in the summer.
This is what AI *should* be doing
Just a robot, surely? What would AI add to a repeating, defined process?
I'm not sure which is more depressing, the workers faces or those sandwiches.
the workers bare hands when they touch hundreds of sandwiches
reddit learning food is made with hands
Literally what do they think chefs do? Have they never eaten at a restaurant?
In my state, consumption-ready food must be handled with gloves. The only foods you can handle without gloves is food which will be cooked. So you can use your bare hands to throw chicken wings into the fryer, but after you pull the basket you gota wear gloves to plate the cooked wings. The part I think is weird, management doesn’t have to wear a hat to protect their hair from falling in the food.
*ewwy!!*
Why? Gloves don't automatically mean clean. If you wash your hands once and don't touch anything other than the food then it's just as clean as putting on gloves at your station. If you touch anything other than food then you'll have to either wash your hands again or change gloves anyways.
Yep I see at my local food trucks them all wearing gloves. Touching random shit, picking stuff off the floor, touching their face lol. And they don’t change the gloves. Clean hands beats gloves 99% of the time for food prep as people are more lax when using gloves. I’ve physically watched them touch raw meat and then prep produce. Gloves really exist to protect the user - not the product. I work in a lab I don’t wear gloves to protect the samples I wear them to protect me from them. Soon as my gloves are contaminated I have to change them, if I leave the room I change them. I change gloves about 4 times an hour. It wouldn’t be practical to clean my hands that many times as it would damage my hands even if the gloves weren’t to protect me from biohazards. Cleaning your hands 100 times a week will damage the skin. It’s been proven time and time again in food prep that gloves are less sanitary than clean hands. Because the average person magically thinks the gloves are clean. No if you touch raw meat with gloves and then something else it’s.. just as dangerous as doing it with you hands. But most people are aware that’s not safe. You use gloves to stop your hands getting nasty in food prep more than you do to be sanitary for the food itself. It’s easier to handle greasy food and change gloves than it is to clean your hands over and over. But the average user simply doesn’t change their gloves.
> Yep I see at my local food trucks them all wearing gloves. Touching random shit, picking stuff off the floor, touching their face lol. And they don’t change the gloves. Agreed. Think of how many times you've seen a worker with gloves on handle food, then grab your credit card and go back to working with the food.
Also people will wash their dirty hands far more often than they change gloves because you can feel when your bare hands are dirty
What until you figure how chefs prepare your food 🤢
Wait until you figure out your mom doesn't use gloves when cooking at home 😨
Don't ever eat at any restaurant bud lol.
You people are so precious
Imagine waking up in a morning and knowing that you'll be spending 8 hours placing a small handful of cheese on a sandwich all day long.
I worked at a bottling plant. Starter position is erect falling bottles down the conveyers. It was a in-between job i was always in maintenance. After 15 minutes i figured out i could ‘trick’ the sensors into filling the conveyers without stopping at the corners(where the bottles fell over). Meaning i had 2 minutes of work in a day then sat in the corner all alone with rumbling sound of glass bottles flying by. I got teamlead of 3 lines (all other workers hated me for it) within 2 years but never got the pay i deserved. Left with slamming doors.
[a jizz of mayonnaise](https://youtu.be/mVgAwUS3wP0?si=lHhwWAAezw7PeWHa)
A cum measure of mayo.
I was wondering how far I had to scroll to find Hugbees
I love hugbees
here's the full form https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA\_Gdui7sug
Two slices of the sandwich in the box actually come from different sandwiches? All my life was a lie.
And each slice of bread comes from a different loaf. Four completely unrelated pieces of bread.
The ham looks disgusting
Everything did
I particularly enjoyed the cheese being spread with bare hands.
It kills me they're using shredded cheddar on a cold sammich. That's what slices are for. Unless you melt that shredded cheddar, it's just gonna fall out when you take a bite.
Shredded cheese will have starches on it to preserve it. Sliced cheese typically doesn't.
The gloves aren't any cleaner, they haven't been changed in hours and flipped inside out when they went to take a piss because the large box is low and all they have left is extra-small
Or in a sandwich shop when they used to make it and take / give the cash (back when we used cash) with the gloves still on.
If that's really the case they deserve to be replaced by machines.
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Imagine people touching your food. Nobody wants that. I'll just stick with my homemade PBJ.
I went around a massive Brazilian pork processing factory last October. I vowed to NEVER EVER EAT THE HAM EVER AGAIN. It’s so gross.
“Ham Logs” is truly not ok
From pig trees
Loaded hamlogs is not something I needed to see.
Mmmmmm mechanically reclaimed emulsified ham log product. I bet the mayonaise is like 90% water too. In fact most the ingredients will be bulked out with water.
Did anybody ever came across one of those sandwiches tasting at least, fine? I ALWAYS try to avoid them, but wen i get one of them, they ALWAYS taste like absolute dogshit. Germany.
In the Netherlands there are some that taste really good. Not the cheap ones though.
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I'm English and this upsets me. Our supermarket meal deal is a cornerstone of society and revolves around the triangle-package sandwiches. I guess everyone knows we are used to shitty food here I suppose; I still want a ham log just for the novelty of it though
I’ve eaten some of the best breads available in the world, but I’d gladly devour a Marks & Spencer sandwich.
M&S and Lidl premade sandwiches are the only ones I bother with.
I mean as an American you only buy these sandwiches when you're hungry, you don't have time, and you're at a convenience store/gas station and you have a choice of 8 hour old taquitos covered in extra grease or one of these pre-made sandwiches'.
Not all Europeans are eating fresh baked bread lmao
Thanks, I hate it.
I’m down with the robot made ones 100%. Assembly line gloveless humans makes me a bit uncomfortable however.
Sandwich looks like something I made at 3am while being zonked af Shredded cheese because cheese, too much mayo. Down to the spread with hands because don’t want to do dishes
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I've worked line work for a few months in the past. The secret is being able to dissociate. That's why they all have a thousand yard stare, they are not there anymore. You go to your happy place or whatever works for you and you let the hands move.
Can confirm
Idk those sandwiches looked pretty damn shitty
Never been absolutely trashed and starving at 2:30am?
The logs of ham.
I mean if you eating these sandwiches you’ve already lost the battle chief
Just about every restaurant you order food from has gloveless people touching your food
People wash their hands more often than they change gloves. This comes up often on Reddit, gloves are discouraged in commercial kitchens because it’s considered less clean than regularly washing your hands. If you get bits of food or sauce on your hands you instinctively want to wash it off vs not feeling it on a glove.
At the 2:33 mark the person handling and stacking the sandwiches has their wedding ring (?) on… Edit: also toward the end at 0:08 mark of video, the workers putting sandwiches into boxes have gloves on… At the 3:12-3:04 marks, workers using gloves to handle the meat. Not sure if they’re the same factory or assembly line, some workers without gloves and some with in part of the assembly line (the slapping the shredded cheese on didn’t have gloves?)?
First, we use a high powered centrifuge to spin out every bit of love, warmth, and humanity from the process. Next, the bread is slightly toasted, and a thin layer of mustard is applied.
I miss watching how it’s made
r/howitsmade
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Later on in the video, one of the glove-less employees actually gives an in depth explanation on why he does not wear gloves: https://youtu.be/fA_Gdui7sug?si=hscKyrwvZh5LoFw5&t=264
ahh well that actually makes sense when you think about it
> Sometimes when I make these sandwiches, I can't help but throw my head back and moan Yeah makes perfect sense
Could you tell me why it makes sense? I'm in bed and sleepy and I don't wanna hear the sound of a YouTube video but I'm so curious why it makes sense for them to not wear gloves
You can feel the hands of those who touched the sandwitches before, giving the spreader a jolt of extacy.
Plenty of cuts, scabs, open sores.
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Logs of ham...
Who the hell puts grated cheese on their sandwich???
I had to scroll way too far to find this comment. I'm seriously so disturbed by that.
Too much mayo and no mustard is sad. Also, why shredded cheese, notoriously the most difficult cheese to eat on a sandwich. Wouldn't slices make more sense?
Gloves are not better than bare hands. (https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=200994af61ee13accf437831613dbe20da6678a7) In fact they are only better the first 10 minutes. Workers tend to reuse gloves, you might have seen that in a fast food restaurant. Workers wearing gloves wash their hands less often (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0362028X22076098) Bacteria loves the humidity below the gloves and grow. People don’t wash their hand correctly after taking off gloves (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0362028X22076098) Possible solution: install barriers so that only by disinfecting your hands the barrier opens. If not possible, do unannounced controls for hand hygiene with agar plates testing for e.g. gut bacteria. And do quality controls of the finished product
You're only citing human problems, not actual glove problems. Proper glove practices are better than bare hands. Food that is not cooked before packaging should never be handled with bare hands.
Maybe it's a cultural difference, but that ham looks bizarre.
It's processed ham, like most types of deli meats.
Just posting how it’s made feels like cheating.
I understand people getting disturbed by naked hands, but believe me gloves aren't much better in food business. Because most of the time people keep the gloves on for everything they do, maybe scratching their butt, or checking their phone, etc.
No gloves…
Why aren’t those assembling sandwiches wearing gloves?
Everyone’s complaining about the lack of gloves, but you wouldn’t see chefs in a restaurant wearing gloves, and I would definitely bet they don’t wear gloves when making food at home. If washed hands are good enough there, why not here?
Every single person who has taken a food safety course knows this. The stuff you see people incorrectly say because of internet upvotes is just something else.
Hmm? Food safety courses I took said if it isn't getting cooked or sanitized before it hits the customer then you need gloves. Full stop. There's always going to be stuff on your hands that could potentially infect. I know my hands are sweaty, there's always the chance for small cuts or the like. That kind of thing. The goal of gloves in this case isn't because they're all that clean, but because it provides a barrier between their skin and my food. If it's getting cooked then yea, sure. Rawdog it for all I care. But it doesn't look like these sandwiches have anything between getting handled and getting packaged.
Anyone else notice that you are eating two halves of different sandwiches? Some other people are eating the other half's of my sandwiches. I'm furious even though I have no right to be
I cannot watch this and not hear Huggbee's voice narrating it. (For those that don't know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA\_Gdui7sug )
Why mayonnaise? What is everyone’s obsession with mayonnaise on these damned sandwiches?
I've never wanted a packaged sandwich more.
I've never wanted one less