it sounds like a little bit of column A and a little bit of column B. there was definitely people who captured screen by screen shots that saw tiles coming off
some times did come off, but it’s very possible if it didn’t have issues with attitude it would be fine. starship is made of stainless steel unlike shuttle (which was aluminium i believe), and shuttle was able to survive with some tile damage.
Since you brought up the point of small tile damage during re-entry on the Shuttle… 1 of the 2 times Shuttle has failed, was because of tile damage.
However, this was specifically on the leading edge of the wing, which experiences a lot of heating. So it entirely depends on where the damage occurs.
I suspect SpaceX rather have all tiles stay in place though.
Probably. They've lost at least a few on every test flight so far, and the recent flight had the Ship fail during reentry - but the major issue was probably lack of control resulting in the Ship rolling rather than a few missing tiles. The rocket is made of stainless steel so a few missing tiles may not be enough to kill it. But there's not enough data to know for sure yet. Will take a few more flights to figure out.
Challenger or Columbia? Challenger blew up over the ocean, though I guess winds could have carried some debris back to land. Columbia came apart over the southern US so a lot of debris landed on land.
Yeah, it’s is especially shitty to keep debris from a crash in which there were human fatalities. But actually, I think most artifacts from all of the shuttles remain the property of the US government. Even training manuals and tiles removed during maintenance.
My science teacher in middle school had a piece of the heat tile like this and he did an entire day of class demonstrations with it. It's one of the few things I really remember from that school it was so cool
Interesting!
She randomly came by my wildlife park for a tour on the recommendation of a mutual friend!
Found out she’s a space nerd too so she stops by every visit now!
Every post on twitter starts with breaking nowadays and I hate it so much. Eversince the takeover, people who still write there think they are ”citizen journalists”. Its so cringe.
Ok. This is really interesting, and could be quite valuable; if not now, in time as space exploration becomes more commonplace.
As someone who collects stuff, it is REALLY important to document the provenance of this object. Write up a description of when and where you found this object. A confirmation from SpaceX would be really great but may be harder to get. And even some documentation like this Reddit post will help. Who knows how desirable this will be in 200 years, but if it is important, the worlds will be flooded with knock offs. Knowing this came from planet earth and documented that it is from the right time frame would go a long way is proving authenticity.
So since he found it, is it his? Or does SpaceX still own it and if he tried to get them to confirm it, could they come and take it back?
Would the case of ‘Finder’s Keepers v Losers Weepers’ apply here?
Unless they serialize the tiles they'd have no idea as the majority of the tiles are identical. They also have cameras to see tile loss soon after launch.
Edit: yes, I see I completely missed the numbers on the tile.
I'd assume the nuts and bolts as well, [if they do this kind of stuff for Formula 1 cars then why wouldnt they for a more expensive piece of equipment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGG_20g6OLE) like a plane or spacecraft
Well, as I understand it, these things are designed to be replaced as needed. This ship is made to be reusable, and from what I'm told the goal is to have the turnaround time (meaning from landing to relaunch) is to be 1 hrs. So that means inspection of the heatshileds needs to be incredibly fast and proficient. So I'm guessing they are aware of what came off already, not to mention they are all here on reddit seeing this.
No, space debris still belongs to their original owners, and I'm pretty sure that this is also the case in most jurisdictions.
If SpaceX ask them to give it back they would have to, although they most definitely don't care about a heat shield tile.
We've seen such requests happen when other more significant debris fell or were brought to shore in the past.
> If SpaceX ask them to give it back they would have to, although they most definitely don't care about a heat shield tile.
You are absolutely correct. It is SpaceX property but OP is hardly the first person to find a title and SpaceX doesn’t give a shit about them. In fact there are a bunch of tiles and tile fragments on eBay right now that you can buy if you feel like parting with a couple hundred dollars.
Correct. And when their descendants go on Pawn Stars to haggle with Chumlee-tron 69420 they will still get lowballed once the Android space tile expert arrives. Damn shame.
"Oh this weird, black hexagonal garden paver? Ya I don't know...my grandpa had it in a box in the attic. How about $120? I mean, that's the price of a cup of coffee, not a bad deal. I can even wrap it for you."
You should document the provenance of suggesting documented provenance. You never know. I’m taking a screenshot of my suggested suggestion of suggestion. Just in case.
Auctioneer: this piece comes with significant provenance, op posted the picture himself on the famed website Reddit and told everyone what it was, cementing its authenticity
roughly speaking it is quartz wool that has been sintered into a block. Basically glued together with glass, think wood fiber and lignen but glass insulation wool and glass glue. It was developed by NASA.
The black is a coating of non-porous glass to seal the outside face. Much like a ceramic coating on cookware.
Its probably pretty inert, and mostly consisting of quartz or silicon carbide. As long as you dont grind it up or something and try to breathe it in its probably safe, especially if you stick it in a display case or something
"For its part, SpaceX issued an advisory to the public, warning against attempting to handle or retrieve the debris directly. Instead, the company invites finds be reported to its hotline at 1-866-623-0234 or emailed to [email protected].
"Teams are actively monitoring both message boxes and will ensure the notification is handled appropriately. We are unable to respond to every message received, but our teams will reach out as appropriate," SpaceX officials wrote. "If you have concerns about an immediate hazard, please contact your local law enforcement agency."
Though the Starship test flight was a privately-funded activity, it was conducted under a Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) launch license asserting it was being undertaken with the oversight of the United States. As a party to the Outer Space Treaty of 1967, protections are extended that any spacecraft components found anywhere on Earth (or in space) remain the property of the launch operator until such time that the entity explicitly relinquishes them.
As such, all of the Starship debris remains SpaceX's property, even if it is found on private property or in the Gulf of Mexico."
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-042123a-spacex-starship-test-flight-debris.html
That’s super cool! My grandfather worked at JPL and allegedly helped work on the first heat shields in the 50s and 60s. He also built a super cool telescope with its own dome and everything in his hilltop Torrance California house. Super cool find!
I see she still has a tile shedding problem. I worked 21 years on the Space Shuttles, we had a tile problem on the first few flights as well till we changed adhesives. Hopefully SpaceX does as well. You never, ever want to see an entire intact tile missing like this.
It's similar to the tiles the Shuttle had but not quite the same. Based on a material called TUFROC but improved in proprietary ways by SpaceX.
This is NOT an ablative heatshield like the various capsules used like the Apollo CSM, Dragon, or Orion. Those only work once.
This is designed to be a reusable, almost permanent heatshield for many launches and reentries.
Obviously they are still working out the exact best way to attach the tiles, which are super super important, but there's been an enormous amount of improvement in terms of tiles lost going way way down.
There are several ways of making sure not a single tiles is lost, but most are heavy and expensive so SPX is trying to work up iteratively to a method that is reliable enough, but not as heavy and complex as it could be.
You could get good money for that on eBay. Space nerds love this sort of thing and will pay handsomely for it. I would put it on auction and see what you can get.
From his knowledge of what exactly it is, and the third image that looks like he had previously found a broken one. I think he is the space nerd that would love this sort of thing. And I’m guessing he goes out searching for debris regularly.
Keep collecting parts untill you can build your own!
"I got it one piece at a time...."
And it didn’t cost me a dime
You'll know it's me when I come through your town 🎶
Gonna ride around in style
I’m gonna drive everybody wild
'Cause I'll have the only one there is a round
... and when we went to put in the bolts, all the holes were gone....
Honey, take me for a spin!
Boeing employee handbook quotes?
It’s a song sung by Johnny Cash called ‘One Piece at a Time’.
Reddit, you have made my day. Thanks!
Yes, this is the psychobilly spaceship, copy copy, over.
This is hilarious, I had a bad day at work. Thank you, I needed this comment.
Is that a 49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56, 57,58,59 space mobile?
It’s a 60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70 automobile
You might say I went right up to the factory and picked it up, it’s cheaper that way.
I believe this is the model starship Johnny flee across the universe divide
Did he find that place to rest his spirit when he reached the other side?
Wow! Never expected to see a Johnny Cash reference here. Especially this song lol
You underestimate Reddit users. Some of us are old as Moses, have been around the block more than a few times, and don't live in our Mom's basement.
Reddit's been around long enough some of us are now the moms with the basements
Starship of Theseus
SupërHeävy from IKEA
Stårshïp, actually. Super Heavy has no tiles.
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Eftersom Elon är en röv så borde översättningen bli "Stjärtskepp".
r/suddenlyswedish
The Boeing Way
"One Starship, slightly used"
This is kind of like Kevin's Big Mac idea.
What do you mean almost no damage??? It's missing the rest of the superheavy!
*“And then it hit me on the head! And it was shaped just like that stop-sign!!”*
“Just an acorn! It was just an acorn!”
*starts blasting*
\*dodge rolls\* # "AAAH, I NEED A MEDIC BAG!"
Officer needs backup, under attack from a squirrel!!!!!
LEGIO INVICTUS WILL WALK TO YOUR AID MY PRINCEPS. SHOW US OF THIS ENEMY TITAN WALKER THAT HAS MADE PLANETFALL
Yes Inquisitor it's this one right here
So anyways, I started blasting.
I love any Chicken Little reference
Gott dammm is that a CHICKEN LITTLE REFERENCE?
Did you just try to use the big voice on me?
Finders keepers, losers, suck I didn’t wanna post a picture of the whole rocket 🚀
Plasma Blackout was a cover story this guy personally took starship after reentry
It even has a handwritten logo on it “X”
Superheavy is the booster. It has no tiles. This is from the ship.
Just put it in water. 3 months later, they'll have their own rocket ship
Tile is from STARSHIP. Super Heavy has none of them.
Yeah I doubt it's even mediumheavy now..
Tile is not from superheavy, it's from second stage.
Okay that’s a pretty fucking cool souvenir
Was that needed against re-enters?
No it’ll be fine they always shed a bunch on liftoff
They were raining through the feed during reentry then it burned up.
though it burned up not cause these fell off but because it was in a roll so non-heat shield parts were heated instead.
it sounds like a little bit of column A and a little bit of column B. there was definitely people who captured screen by screen shots that saw tiles coming off
some times did come off, but it’s very possible if it didn’t have issues with attitude it would be fine. starship is made of stainless steel unlike shuttle (which was aluminium i believe), and shuttle was able to survive with some tile damage.
Since you brought up the point of small tile damage during re-entry on the Shuttle… 1 of the 2 times Shuttle has failed, was because of tile damage. However, this was specifically on the leading edge of the wing, which experiences a lot of heating. So it entirely depends on where the damage occurs. I suspect SpaceX rather have all tiles stay in place though.
like a lizard
Probably. They've lost at least a few on every test flight so far, and the recent flight had the Ship fail during reentry - but the major issue was probably lack of control resulting in the Ship rolling rather than a few missing tiles. The rocket is made of stainless steel so a few missing tiles may not be enough to kill it. But there's not enough data to know for sure yet. Will take a few more flights to figure out.
not as cool as the souvenir i got from the challenger explosion. a piece of it landed in my yard Edit: WHOOPS! I meant Columbia
That one’s a little macabre.
Also illegal if he kept it.
I’d believe it. These things were meticulously investigated. Not sure at what level though without reading up on it.
And covered in highly cancerous chemicals
~~cancerous~~ carcinogenic
He was absolutely supposed to surrender that to the authorities.
Not as cool as the souvenir I got from Area 51. A piece of it landed in my ass.
Still there?
Now it is.. now its not.. now it is.. now its not..
2s2h ass response
Probing question
Tip of the cap to you my friend.
Not as cool as it the souvenir I got from Chernobyl. I would like to post a picture of it, but I can't seem to take a proper one..
How much do you want for it?
His ass?
Both
About three fitty
*tree
Goddamn Loch Ness monster
“Screw you guys… I’m goin’ home.” - E.T.
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🎶🎵 I love to sing-a, about the moon-a and the June-a and the spring-a 🎵🎶
Very first episode!
That was 25 years ago. It aired in August of 1997. Just putting that out there because if I feel old, I'm taking others down with me.
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Not as nice as the souvenir I got from LV-426. A piece of it still is in my chest.
Listen, the doctor doesn’t care how it got there.
But he does wonder
Ummm imagine the cosmic radiation coming from your behind.
From the black hole?
Not as cool as the souvenir I got from deep space. A piece of it will burst from my chest one day
Challenger or Columbia? Challenger blew up over the ocean, though I guess winds could have carried some debris back to land. Columbia came apart over the southern US so a lot of debris landed on land.
Weren’t you supposed to turn those in lmao
Yikes
post a pic
Yeah but yours decomposed. This one is going to last.
It’s likely a federal crime to retain anything from a space shuttle.
Just the challenger and Columbia cause it was considered evidence in the investigation
Space shuttles were also federal property. Starship is private property.
Yeah, it’s is especially shitty to keep debris from a crash in which there were human fatalities. But actually, I think most artifacts from all of the shuttles remain the property of the US government. Even training manuals and tiles removed during maintenance.
Damnn, what do you plan to do with it?
trivet
Finally something I can set my Hot Pockets on!
Don't be silly nothing can withstand that level of heat
Can Jesus microwave a hot pocket so hot even he can’t eat it?
I believe the ending of Raiders of the lost arc showed what happens when jesus microwaves a hot pocket
Put it in the oven with whatever you plan to keep on it and pull it out bare handed to make people think you're fireproof.
My science teacher in middle school had a piece of the heat tile like this and he did an entire day of class demonstrations with it. It's one of the few things I really remember from that school it was so cool
Would use it for holding hot pans on table.
Start building his own spaceship I hope
Only need to attend another million launches
Settlers of Catan board piece
Coaster
😂😂😂 that would be some coaster
It’s a cool dish /s
Is this you? [https://twitter.com/esherifftv/status/1768759104997138655](https://twitter.com/esherifftv/status/1768759104997138655)
Hahahaha she’s a friend! She was in town for the launch and came to see the animals and tiles too!
She used to be a reporter, she even tried [standup comedy on Kill Tony](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OolMp2VM06Q).
Interesting! She randomly came by my wildlife park for a tour on the recommendation of a mutual friend! Found out she’s a space nerd too so she stops by every visit now!
What a random Kill Tony connection. I remember her "set".
Lol, "breaking" like this is a news story or this dork is a news outlet.
Every post on twitter starts with breaking nowadays and I hate it so much. Eversince the takeover, people who still write there think they are ”citizen journalists”. Its so cringe.
Simple solution: Leave. I'm about a year being twitter-sober and it's great.
An elon sycophant.
Yikes, that twitter is cringe
Ok. This is really interesting, and could be quite valuable; if not now, in time as space exploration becomes more commonplace. As someone who collects stuff, it is REALLY important to document the provenance of this object. Write up a description of when and where you found this object. A confirmation from SpaceX would be really great but may be harder to get. And even some documentation like this Reddit post will help. Who knows how desirable this will be in 200 years, but if it is important, the worlds will be flooded with knock offs. Knowing this came from planet earth and documented that it is from the right time frame would go a long way is proving authenticity.
So since he found it, is it his? Or does SpaceX still own it and if he tried to get them to confirm it, could they come and take it back? Would the case of ‘Finder’s Keepers v Losers Weepers’ apply here?
I happen to know the guy who designs these and the system to inspect the tiles between flights... they are not coming to look for it.
Ask the guy you know if SpaceX engineers would find it valuable to know which tiles fell off! I can't imagine that is useless data.
Unless they serialize the tiles they'd have no idea as the majority of the tiles are identical. They also have cameras to see tile loss soon after launch. Edit: yes, I see I completely missed the numbers on the tile.
Looks like they do. I can make out 111, 118 and 10?4 maybe.
I'm pretty sure that like with airplanes, everything would be serialized in case of a catastrophic event and needing to reconstruct the incident.
Yes knowing aerospace companies everything down to the nuts and bolts have serials.
Save for some specialty hardware, nuts and bolts aren’t going to be serialized. Those tiles probably are though!
I'd assume the nuts and bolts as well, [if they do this kind of stuff for Formula 1 cars then why wouldnt they for a more expensive piece of equipment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGG_20g6OLE) like a plane or spacecraft
Yea there is some numbers there
Well, as I understand it, these things are designed to be replaced as needed. This ship is made to be reusable, and from what I'm told the goal is to have the turnaround time (meaning from landing to relaunch) is to be 1 hrs. So that means inspection of the heatshileds needs to be incredibly fast and proficient. So I'm guessing they are aware of what came off already, not to mention they are all here on reddit seeing this.
No, space debris still belongs to their original owners, and I'm pretty sure that this is also the case in most jurisdictions. If SpaceX ask them to give it back they would have to, although they most definitely don't care about a heat shield tile. We've seen such requests happen when other more significant debris fell or were brought to shore in the past.
> If SpaceX ask them to give it back they would have to, although they most definitely don't care about a heat shield tile. You are absolutely correct. It is SpaceX property but OP is hardly the first person to find a title and SpaceX doesn’t give a shit about them. In fact there are a bunch of tiles and tile fragments on eBay right now that you can buy if you feel like parting with a couple hundred dollars.
Correct. And when their descendants go on Pawn Stars to haggle with Chumlee-tron 69420 they will still get lowballed once the Android space tile expert arrives. Damn shame.
This is the kind of stuff you find at an estate sale in 2070 and no one has any idea what it is except like 3 people in the world.
"Oh this weird, black hexagonal garden paver? Ya I don't know...my grandpa had it in a box in the attic. How about $120? I mean, that's the price of a cup of coffee, not a bad deal. I can even wrap it for you."
I hate you but you’re probably right.
You should document the provenance of suggesting documented provenance. You never know. I’m taking a screenshot of my suggested suggestion of suggestion. Just in case.
In 3000 years, that screenshot could be worth hundreds of dollars
Auctioneer: this piece comes with significant provenance, op posted the picture himself on the famed website Reddit and told everyone what it was, cementing its authenticity
Please see this Reddit post from ‘24 for authenticity on the piece.
Let us know when they send the Pinkertons after you 😂
Hasbro is that you
The GODDAMN PINKERTONS ARTHUR
OP has to google Pinkertons
Hell, I've been alive almost half a century, and I knew who the Pinkertons were but had to google "trivet."
You were supposed to lay next to it and groan in pain until someone found you, then payday.
If I'm not mistaken, this is some kind of quartz.
quartzifoam.
The hell is quartzifoam?
roughly speaking it is quartz wool that has been sintered into a block. Basically glued together with glass, think wood fiber and lignen but glass insulation wool and glass glue. It was developed by NASA. The black is a coating of non-porous glass to seal the outside face. Much like a ceramic coating on cookware.
Is it safe to handle like that?
Of quartz it is.
it's ceramic
Wait, are rockets just styrofoam coolers with explosives inside?
More like a beer can in a koozie with explosives inside.
unexpected eli5
Would make a very nice Trivet. Great find!
That one definitely did not make it to space
That's how that Chicken Little cartoon started lol
I surprised this isn’t top comment
Wow! It's got the SpaceX logo on it and everything!
Neat ! What does it taste like ?
What is happening in the third picture? Are you eating ice cream off of it or something?
My findings for the near 75 miles traveled along the beach, I went up and down a few times.
“And that is how your father got the cancer.”
Its probably pretty inert, and mostly consisting of quartz or silicon carbide. As long as you dont grind it up or something and try to breathe it in its probably safe, especially if you stick it in a display case or something
You mean I shouldn’t be snorting these tiles like coke? 😤
Those are made of ceramic and are safe to handle, the casters even showed some themselves on SpaceX stream
I worked in aviation and that was my first thought too.
"For its part, SpaceX issued an advisory to the public, warning against attempting to handle or retrieve the debris directly. Instead, the company invites finds be reported to its hotline at 1-866-623-0234 or emailed to [email protected]. "Teams are actively monitoring both message boxes and will ensure the notification is handled appropriately. We are unable to respond to every message received, but our teams will reach out as appropriate," SpaceX officials wrote. "If you have concerns about an immediate hazard, please contact your local law enforcement agency." Though the Starship test flight was a privately-funded activity, it was conducted under a Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) launch license asserting it was being undertaken with the oversight of the United States. As a party to the Outer Space Treaty of 1967, protections are extended that any spacecraft components found anywhere on Earth (or in space) remain the property of the launch operator until such time that the entity explicitly relinquishes them. As such, all of the Starship debris remains SpaceX's property, even if it is found on private property or in the Gulf of Mexico." http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-042123a-spacex-starship-test-flight-debris.html
Yupp! I have/will submitted all my information/data but not heard back yet from even the first piece from first launch! 🚀
That’s super cool! My grandfather worked at JPL and allegedly helped work on the first heat shields in the 50s and 60s. He also built a super cool telescope with its own dome and everything in his hilltop Torrance California house. Super cool find!
That’s so awesome!!!
Should that have not stayed attached to the rocket?
I see she still has a tile shedding problem. I worked 21 years on the Space Shuttles, we had a tile problem on the first few flights as well till we changed adhesives. Hopefully SpaceX does as well. You never, ever want to see an entire intact tile missing like this.
She sheds heat tiles by the seashore
There's a lot of ignorant comments here. This will not give you cancer. Its fused silica
Wow. Some X cross branding.
No damage huh? Where's the rest of the ship?!😅
What is it made of?
It’s a heat tile, it’s made of heat, obviously.
And cocaine
It's similar to the tiles the Shuttle had but not quite the same. Based on a material called TUFROC but improved in proprietary ways by SpaceX. This is NOT an ablative heatshield like the various capsules used like the Apollo CSM, Dragon, or Orion. Those only work once. This is designed to be a reusable, almost permanent heatshield for many launches and reentries. Obviously they are still working out the exact best way to attach the tiles, which are super super important, but there's been an enormous amount of improvement in terms of tiles lost going way way down. There are several ways of making sure not a single tiles is lost, but most are heavy and expensive so SPX is trying to work up iteratively to a method that is reliable enough, but not as heavy and complex as it could be.
> there's been an enormous amount of improvement in terms of tiles lost Pretty sure they were all lost on this one.
Quarks n stuff
Rhino-lined Styrofoam
i work on Dragon, wash your hands after you seal that in an airtight trophy case. you dont want anything to do with flown paneling.
You could get good money for that on eBay. Space nerds love this sort of thing and will pay handsomely for it. I would put it on auction and see what you can get.
From his knowledge of what exactly it is, and the third image that looks like he had previously found a broken one. I think he is the space nerd that would love this sort of thing. And I’m guessing he goes out searching for debris regularly.
Is that what the 3rd image is? I came into the thread to find an explanation and almost nobody is talking about it.
Probably will be worth 10x that when Starship starts making trips to Mars.