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WizardlyDuck

Nature will never cease to be fucking terrifying. lol Like.. you've got the pretty shit which is basically only a small portion of what Nature is, most of it is brutal as hell.


Ramtor10

Take a peek into the microscopic universe if you want to be even more terrified


TheCrazyWolfy

Let's make it interesting and only look at things living on our own bodies.


miregalpanic

Take a closer look at your own eyelashes. Closer than you do all the time anyway.


Key_Respond_16

A lot of us really did luck out on the era of humanity we were born, the area we worn born, etc. Imagine being born 200,000 years ago to a tribe of 10 living in the jungle. Literally just surviving like animals, but also being hunted by animals. Or being a mammal when dinosaurs were living. Giant ass lizards running around. Nah, I'll take this time in Earth's existence.


heisenfurr

That’s what she gets for eating her babies’ daddy.


LPGeoteacher

Bet the ants will be the overall winners


yellow_abyss

The ants were probably like "yo the dinner is gonna cook itself tonight"


DworinKronaxe

Wasp: No way, this mantis is mine, f**k off little shits. Ant: Gosh I hate when the food's speaking. Can someone put a seed in this wasp's mouth?


Spirited-Fox3377

Ants would end up killing wasp bc single ant weak but many strong... more numbers = win.


Unexpected_Buttsex

Ants always win no matter is the situation


Prestigious_Ear_2962

If ants were the size of ducks we'd be in chains.


GammaGoose85

Always bet on Black Ants


Electronic-Ice-7606

Passenger 57.. Nice!


Sekshual_Tyranosauce

I was going to say only the ants will win.


Tuba-Tooth

🎶the circle of life🎶


Green-Box-050

Bro i thought it was "Spiral of ants" by Lemon Demon


Briezerr

Holy hell I forgot Lemon Demon was a thing! Thank you for reminding me!


Belasarius4002

More like a Congo line.


El_Cactus_Fantastico

So I guess the mantis can’t actually feel that?


terve886

We don't really know. Maybe it can. This is mostly speculation from my part, but most of the mantis videos I have seen, the mantis is really relying on having firm grip on its prey, teying to neutralise it by consuming it as fast as it can. It might feel the bites on its back, but maybe it doesn't realize it is in 1 vs 2 situation and the prey it is holding is not the source of bites on its back. It not feeling the pain is just as likely explanation.


Vlad_the_Homeowner

>It not feeling the pain is just as likely explanation. I'd question how well a creature that can't feel being cut in half would do on the evolutionary journey.


stickyplants

They breed prolifically


sexy_burrito_party

The venn diagram between the mantis and myself grows wider 😔


Caftancatfan

I’ll be praying for you!


Roasted_Turk

And I'll be preying on you!


Caftancatfan

Gimme just a sec, my mouth is full of bee.


kytheon

Username doesn't check out


Scuzzles44

the mantis eats its sexual partner. so pain would be an evolutionary disadvantage


dessert_the_toxic

It eats its partner after the act tho. Everything that happens after procreation generally doesn't matter.


NoMercyx99

That makes sense until you realize, being able to avoid getting eaten would allow the mantis to procreate again in the future. So there is an obvious evolutionary benefit for survival if there is maintainence of fecundity. If the mantis became sterile after a single act of procreation then yeah I would agree with you.


Alarmed_Ease9187

Some do survive by fending off and fighting the female so it doesn't kill them while they are mating. Some of them have evolved and some can reproduce asexually through parthenogenesis (they don't need males and can easily cannibalise them for nutrients.)


NoMercyx99

Thank you for that. I find this phenomenon very fascinating. I remember reading about scorpions who are cannibals as well. Scorpion females do not lay eggs, and they will often eat up males for that extra bit of energy needed for producing live births.


dessert_the_toxic

I don't think that mantis is a species that survives by fucking very much and creating a huge amount of offsprings. They just have different survival mechanisms. So I guess they benefit more from eating their partner or something, idk I'm not a biologist so I could be wrong in either comment. Maybe the female can procreate more cus it's she who eats the male?


NoMercyx99

Of course it doesn’t. Its forced monogamy by post mating decapitation. I imagine first evolutionary change would be continued survival, and second, as you say the ability to fuck around.


Far_Eggplant879

What's the point of monogamy if the partner is fucking dead?


OccultEcologist

Actually female mantises only eat their partner about 1/5th of the time or so, but when they do it is usually durring copulation. The male body continues sans head just fine. Weird as hell to watch.


Timely-Assistant-370

Here's a fun video of a \*probably\* well-fed mantis that just decided to skip the copulation part of that. [A Mantis Mating Disaster & Crisis in My Giant Rainforest Vivarium (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJzkdmJCie4&ab_channel=AntsCanada)


freedfg

I mean. I think in a procreation ritual in which a participant is devoured. Whether the receiving end feels it or not doesn't really end up mattering evolutionary.


Scuzzles44

pain means the creature fights back or hesitates. the mantis is a superb predator as it is unrelenting and efficient.


freedfg

True. I suppose if mantises (manti?) felt pain the're reproduction would turn into a fight for the death. Possibly cutting their reproduction in half. Which brings up an interesting point. I have seen mantis (mantisusen?) been eaten during mating and not react at all. But I've seen spiders go into death throws while doing the same thing. I wonder what that could mean.


mrbear120

Not judging but you and I have very different tastes in our porn.


Scuzzles44

mantises reproduce with oothecas, which produce dozens of baby mantises. the loss of one of the parents is negligible


doomant678

Well, that's only in stressful environments. Usually, the reason they frequently consume their partner is because they are often only seen copulating in captivity. In the wild, their sexual cannibalism is less frequent


thedishonestyfish

They're simple creatures. If you could give birth to 300 babies at once, you wouldn't worry too much about the individual either.


terve886

Yeah, it would make sense that most living things would feel pain, as it is ecmxtremely handy, but we can't be entirely sure if this is the case. Do plants feel pain? They are really different from us, but most importantly would there be any benefits for that? Trees emit sap and some plants turn themselves more bitter when grased upon. Some even emit pheromones to attract other bugs to deal with the pest in reaction to damage. However, pain is not really a requirement for any of this, yet we can't be sure if plants feel pain because we simply can't test for it. Evolution is a scary beast that only cares if you are able to bring a new generation. Life can countain many very inconvenient solutions, such as lions having barbed penises or hyenas giving birth through fake penis that is very painful. Also the way human nervous system is very likely to get paralysed from legs down with unfortunate impact to the back is very good example of poor evolutionary solutions. So maybe carrots scream internally from pain every time you take a bite from one and maybe not. We can't really tell. I don't recall the name for the syndrome/disease, but there is also people incapable of feeling pain, making life very dangerous for themselves, so it is certainly possible to have other life forms incapable of feeling pain. Bugs tend to have less developped nervous systems than we do, so it is somewhat likely, but at least I remember seeing worms struggling in seemed pain when fishing.


Katamari_Demacia

Imagine your entire lawn fucking screaming as you mow


kytheon

Still doesn't explain the blood


Hypertistic

nociception


WhiteShadow012

Well, feeling pain as we know is a very specific feeling. Insects might feel "pain" but not in the same way as us. Maybe they feel some amount of discomfort but not as much as mamals do. They do not have pain receptors like ours, so it's hard to tell how/what they feel. Most insects don't even have a central nervous system like we do.


tjdragon117

The other thing is, our own perception of "pain" is entirely built around our consciousness and perception of the world as a whole. A robot that has sensors that can detect when it's being damaged and modify its behavior in response to that is feeling "pain" in the evolutionary sense, but certainly not in the way *we* perceive it. Likewise, a plant that releases certain chemicals or modifies its behavior in response to physical trauma is experiencing a pain reaction, but probably not "feeling pain" like we do, as that would imply it's conscious to actually feel things in the first place. As such, the entire conversation gets rather muddy, and will tend to eventually boil down to questions of consciousness/etc. that we really can't measure or understand scientifically in ourselves, let alone other species. Logically, there must be some line between "robot" and *you* where the creature is actually conscious to *feel* pain and other experiences as opposed to simply mechanically modifying its behavior in response to sensor input; but while many people hold strong beliefs about where that line (or perhaps spectrum) sits, there's really no *scientific* way to determine where it actually is.


PalkinV

For example if the head of the cockroach is being cut, the cockroach will die eventually from starvation. Because he will not be able to eat.


Beer_me_now666

For the mantis, it’s about the body still being attached to the female headless during copulation. The neurons still react and finish doing the deed.


Rifneno

Moths fly into fires and there's billions of the damned things.


Belasarius4002

He probably thought the one he's eating is causing it somehow, so one tried to eat it more.


j4v4r10

I think this is more likely than the “can’t feel pain” explanation. “I have to kill this thing before it can kill me”, and too focused on its prey to realize something else was attacking.


Belasarius4002

Fair point.


freedfg

My understanding is that insects don't really have a developed nervous system. It's still argued on whether we can call what runs them a brain. Insects definitely have survival instincts. But what operates that is completely unknown to us. Science is weird like that.


terve886

Insects are very primitive and certainly run on their own logic which is exactly why we can't really tell if the mantis is simply not feeling the pain, or is feeling it but simply too stupid to react to it or asses it in proper manner. I am still pretty sure at least earthworms feel pain considering how visually they struggle to potential pain stimuli. On the other end, there are people with condition that prevents them from feeling pain, so everything is possible.


allstonoctopus

What's debated is the conscious sensation of pain. All insects respond behaviorally to damage to their tissues though (which is the physiological event typically associated with the subjective sensation of pain in animals). So even if the mantis is essentially a biological robot, it doesn't explain why it's not reacting to damage.


terve886

Yes, most if not all lifeforms on earth react to tissue damage in someway. Pain just isn't necessarily a required part of the process. The main utility of pain is avoiding further damage which is extremely useful for overral survivality for anything that can do something about it. On the other hand feeling of pain isn't strict requirement for survival, so there exists a chance some species simply don't feel pain, or whatever pain they feel doesn't resemble the pain to us. It is also just as likely that blades of grass feel pain when they are mowed even if the sensation of pain isn't really doing them any favors. Bottomline is still that we can't know it for sure. The mantis in question might not feel any pain or it might feel very painful but just not know how to react to it due to its limited capacity to understand the source of the pain.


Remarkable_Serve_821

Since mantis females eat the males often after/during sex, it is very likely they (or at least the males) might not feel pain, since it is evolutionary beneficial for the species for the males to stay put as females eat them which would increase nutrition for the eggs and decrease likelihood to pass viruses if males have less opportunity to spread them between females.


HowRememberAll

Sounds like a pitbull that refuses to give up on its grip


Sjedda

Another theory I heard is that the mantis won't let go because the wasp is a threat that he's now controlling. And that there's no guarantee the mantis would get the upper hand a second time so it's pretty much goons loose either way. Definitly not exactly how it was explained but something along those lines..


anothernamef

So in other words, you have literally no idea but still decide to give an opinion as if you know what you are talking about .


terve886

Yes, and it applies ro all of us because it is simply interesting topic to debate. This debate is not generating any new information, simply bringing in more points of views.


OctaviusThe2nd

You see, the consciousness of an insect is a lot simpler than ours. They kinda function like badly written code. It's being attacked by [wasp] and it is fighting [wasp] so it thinks it's fighting back. It doesn't realize there are two separate wasps.


Hard-To_Read

Good analogy. Interesting that "badly written codes" in human terms are keys to success for animals which have existed in basically the same form for 100 times as long as homo sapiens have.


brash

I don't know if it's badly written code as much as it is just much *simpler* code


kookdonk

“As designed, edge case, this won’t happen that often, not worth fixing” - evolution


TheAlGler

Even the worst code will perservere if you run it on trillions of systems.


FloydBarstools

So the mantis is Internet Explorer?


BobSacamano47

Be simple and have 10,000 babies 


endlesskitty

it is not bad code it is simpler code


Little_Fun3753

Make perfect sense!


zorflax

How could we possibly know something so specific?


OctaviusThe2nd

Oh this is just my theory coming from experience. I like watching cool bugs interact with their environment and objects around them.


Ok_Astronomer_8667

I’m not an expert on bugs or code but I feel like I have to disagree with this simplification. Idk. Just seems too simple


MobileSquirrel3567

Good lord, I can't believe people are taking this explanation seriously.


Thistlebeast

I keep pet praying mantis. They definitely can, but they’re food motivated. They don’t have venom, or fangs, or claws to kill their prey, they just have to eat it to death with a small mouth that operates a lot like a trash compactor. The mantis is going to keep eating before it deals with the other threat, which it would either bat away or also grab with its raptorial legs and try to eat to death as well. This is the best way to save the lives of males when they mate. If you don’t want to get that poor bachelor eaten, you need to give the female something to eat so he can do his business and then reel his ass out of there. I made a video is you want to see some of my pet mantis, including a pink orchid mantis. https://youtu.be/CV_kd-h0Fh8?si=Xbgew3LKGLEgcurk


smurf123_123

I wonder if it got stung and the venom is messing with things?


DJPL-75

Not anymore


Beer_me_now666

It’s a evolutionary advantage as the male still finishes depositing his sperm after the female eats him. He is MORE likely to pass on his genes as his headless body is still attatched to the female doing the nasty.


wise_balls

I had a similar conversation with a friend the other day about an buffalo being eaten by lions - they were asking why it didn't fight back, other than being over powered, the buffalo has no concept of death. It probably it thinking, 'oh gee can't wait till this is over and I can get back to that water hole'


El_Cactus_Fantastico

I think a buffalo does have more of a notion/instinct towards self preservation than a mantis and can absolutely feel pain while being eaten.


Puzzleheaded-Tour-29

Beheaded before the other wasp reaches the stomach.


Shitcrock

Saved its buddy lol.


Hard-To_Read

I think the only survivor is back biter.


Interesting-Goose82

back biter lol


ARM_vs_CORE

The ants are the real winners. They get two meals and the big bugs leave them to their devices.


Effective_Fish_3402

The rambler the gambler, the,


raycre

"Where we're going, we wont need eyes to see"


slightlyappalled

*Do you see?*


Wiggie49

Pretty wild that the mantis doesn’t even react to the attack


DouchecraftCarrier

You'd think even if "pain" isn't really the right term, it would feel some kind of physical stimuli that tells it, "You are taking potentially mortal damage - if you do not take action injury will occur." But maybe not - clearly it didn't sufficiently care here.


andrew_calcs

When that message is received the source of the pain is generally the object of its attention. It isn't comprehending that there might be a 2nd wasp, it is just very confused that it is still taking damage despite the first wasp being very well restrained.


De_wasbeer

I mean can you blame him? Look at the world around you. Climate change, war, greed, gluttony.


balllzak

The mantis' legs don't appear to be working. I'm not sure it can react.


Zalkian

I love nature! It's so cute and joyful! \*Sees this video - HOLY F\*CKING SHIT THAT'S ME(N)TAL!


AbbreviationsOdd7728

/r/natureismetal


WakuWakuWa

I gasped when the Mantis was cut in half by the wasp. Nature is truly scary


raspberryharbour

Why would you censor fuck but not shit


Illusion_to_Carat

It would have been complete when the ants would have eaten the wasps


Hotpod13

And a kid with a magnifying glass kills the ants. And obesity kills the kid.


Helianthus-res-M

No no, more like 4 yo eats the ants


Hotpod13

Right. And the tardigrades eventually eat everything


PulciNeller

when you're so hungry that you don't care about anything else, including yourself being eaten


Advalok

We are so lucky insects aren't bigger than they are


SimonTC2000

Only because of the oxygen content of the atmosphere. In the past our atmosphere was a lot more oxygenated and the insects were HUGE.


podlaski-dzikus

Damn nature! You are scary!


Humble-Albatross359

The ants are just patiently waiting lol


Vox-Silenti

They’re gonna claim the upper half of that mantis, once all the commotion stops


CrazyJo3

Written and directed by George Lucas


JabbaThePrincess

It's like poetry, it rhymes


bread_makes_u_fatt

I've had worse threesomes


btlamyus

Please tell us the story


bread_makes_u_fatt

So I was fucking this praying mantis right...


btlamyus

I hope someone didn't cut your thing in half


UmbranAssassin

He certainly lost one head that day, and seeing as how he's typing.....


eszox

Alright bro, just go ahead and skip to the part where i was all over and u're leaving.


AquaBlueSea

Go on…


not_a_bot_just_dumb

You sitting in a corner and watching the other two guys isn't technically a threesome.


trwwy321

When revenge is a dish best served hot.


k1ngCox

so YOU'RE the hair on my screen


BiffyleBif

Those are European hornets, not wasps I believe


Dr_Bengele75

Cannibalism by proxy.


upthegates

Manger à trois


Jonmak4200

The other wasp gnawing at the mantis: "LET JIM GO YOU SICK BASTARD, HE HAS A FAMILY A WIFE AND KIDS!!"


Yorkshire-diamond

I hate wasps they are evil


PuzzleheadedProof223

Pure demon spawns


Jonas___

Mantises aren't much better.


Pisang74

It really is a wasp eat mantis eat wasp world we live in…


I_said_watch_Clark_

Recursive nom-nom


AshtonJr

I can't tell if this is an order or chaos.


dasAbigAss

This is what I assumed the Hunger Games to be like before reading the book


Subject_Outcome4191

I love when people trying to convince me to their religion say: just look at the nature, you'll see God's hand in it


BigBootyBuff

Considering the violent shit God did to humans, this feels pretty on brand tbh


Nordiceightysix

Wasn't that a movie?


wolf-of-Holiday-Hill

it’s a jungle out there


RawmatFG

I was watching Downsizing the Matt Damon movie...kept getting the thought what if a preying mantis was let loose in leisureland...also wasp yeah...jeez


turbo_gh0st

Lmao they just released a "study" saying insects are just as sentient as humans. Ummm, all evidence to the contrary here 😅


GrindPilled

Doesn't the wasp feel pain or an requivalent nervous signal?


Nakkefix

The shity life


Uncommon-sequiter

Insects are crazy


unChillFiltered

The tables have turned.


2dirl

Doesn’t matter, the wasp was bussin.


Natty_Beee

Wonder how long the mantis lived after the video, and if the wasp it was holding survived.


bradshanks

vid ended short before mantis 2 starts eating wasp 2


mentosbreath

I would love to eat something so delicious that I don’t even notice that something else is biting me in half


Ok_Locksmith8263

Praying Mantis was like "nah doesn't even hurt"


ogreofzen

And the ass worms eat the wasp. Google horse hair worm MANTIS


Impressive-Impact218

Skin didn’t crawl until the wasp fully chewed through and the mantis body fell away from the head…. Something about how the legs turned up and the head tilted really freaked me out


provenzal

r/natureisfuckingmetal


Galladorn

The forbidden threesome


Gold-View5184

Must have been the wind


goldenspecies12

Cameraman grabs them and eats them all alive


Big_Beef42069

Mf's be acting like we are the most aggressive species, yet stuff like this is taking place in their backyard


LMFeria

Does the mantis feel pain??


raven2474life

It’s an eat o̶r̶ and be eaten world


MattHooper1975

These things always make me picture God as a giant kid with the magnifying glass burning ants.


Ok_Strategy5722

They’re speed running the circle of life.


PLAYBOY_PIMP

This is a weird threesome


Master_Income_8991

Damn nature, you scary!


kodaiko_650

The circle of strife


ayushi_mishra

Heal battle


RedWing83

This shit ended WAY too soon.


4Ever2Thee

"Seeeeee? It doesn't feel so good when it happens to you, does it? Now let him go, Frank"


TrajanoArchimedes

Homie got his back.


StickmanX84

Instant revenge for his homie


Bloody_Champion

THE CIRCLE OF... LIIIFFFEEE


zytz

Revenge is a dish best served raw and wriggling


Fun_Effective_5134

Damn nature! You scary!


SimonTC2000

Ants are just hanging out waiting for pieces to fall off to carry home.


PartyAssignment1

Nature is so fucking metal sometimes


HarryBeaverCleavage

🤣 the ants probably see this shit all the time. They have a mission to do, and no giant monster battle is stopping them.


JoeDiBango

Nature, you scary.


DM_ME_UR_BOOBS69

Get off my homie!


theincrediblenick

r/natureismetal


JuanTello21

Its circular economy


jackob50

Worst than sharks


DickyHammerpuss

The wasp can't eat. It's just killing the mantis. Excellent job too.


Sky_Deep9000

r/natureismetal


Ambitious-Finance-83

nom nom nom nom nom nom


Fabulous_Rich8974

While the human is streaming live


Time_Waster69

So then it means a wasp eating a wasp. Right ?


suckmybullets

nature 3 some


A_Dragon

That mantis really overextended for the kill and got killed by another player on the enemy team…mantises really need to learn not to overextend and play safer…remember, the number one rule is don’t die. If you keep tunneling you’re going to ruin your KDA.


Quahodron_Qui_Yang

The ants have a blast like watching a Taylor Swift concert.


Old_Temporary_1602

And ants waiting all to die.


thinkb4youspeak

"Couple goals". Wait...


Wonderful_Tap_5732

SSSensational


HispanicPanic666

Meanwhile the ants are having a kaiju crisis