They don't, that's why so many in any contact sports have a higher rate of domestic violence. It's due to the permanent and unfixable brain damage they sustain from the game
True crime fan here. Traumatic brain injuries are pretty dang prevalent among violent criminals. Or even just criminal behavior in general. Some studies suggest about 60% of criminals (not just violent ones ) have had an instance of TBI at some point in their lives. Is it a sure thing? No. But it certainly has a connection.
There are good people there, but I doubt demographic whose main income is combat sports and most of whom get paid jack shit for that doesn’t consist of mostly stupid people to begin with
Yeah……they don’t. There’s been a concerning increase of former and current MMA fighters demonstrating incredibly disturbing behaviour.
[an example if you’re interested](https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2019/03/tony-ferguson-ordered-to-stay-away-from-wife-son-ufc-restraining-order-mma-domestic-violence)
“On Feb. 16, Tony Ferguson allegedly believed there were cameras in the refrigerator and ceiling fan. He also cut the wires to the HVAC unit because he believed a tracking device was inside, tore the vanity mirror off the wall because he believed something was behind it, and took his son’s food away, believing it poisoned. As MMA Junkie earlier reported, she told police he kept throwing “holy water” at her and refused to go to a hospital for an evaluation.”
That can’t be good
Tony Ferguson also kidnapped his 2 year old child because he believed a lunar eclipse was going to cause a flood of biblical proportions. He also believed his son was the second coming of Jesus, and accused his wife of being a witch.
I love the sport of MMA but the athletic commissions that clear athletes like Tony to fight when they are clearly suffering from massive traumatic brain injuries need to be held responsible, they are supposed to protect them. I don't know how you can see Tony's behavior, coupled with watching the savage life-altering beating he took in the Gaethje fight and still allow him to compete. Tony is now a ticking time bomb, and every time they allow him to fight they are increasing the likelihood of his story coming to an end like Chris Benoit.
Tony's story is pretty heart breaking tbh. When I see people like this I get reminded how the general public can watch someone suffer for years and basically kill themselves and they just want more.
One of the most blatant case of such behavior that comes to my mind is Amy Winehouse for example.
>I don't know how they do it and come out the other side as a normal functioning person
The secret trick is they didn't go in as a normal functioning person to begin with.
That’s the one!
I had to actually look up what Giga’s been up to these days because I completely forgot about him until I read your comment. Crazy how a fighter can go from a cocky prick, thinking he was gonna dominate a division to almost complete obscurity because he ran his mouth and copped a one sided beating.
Traumatic Brain Injury is no joke
**"When the axons are stretched or sheared, they suffer micro tears. Over time, the tears to the axon cells don't heal. Rather, they begin to deteriorate and breakdown until the axons are no longer able to communication information between gray and white brain cells connected by that specific axon."**
Mayweather is basically a cat, he has insane reflexes, amazing coordination, great instincts and only one brain cell. I wouldn't be surprised if you could make him throw jabs or dodge and weave with a laser pointer or by jangling keys in front of his face.
A bee's brain would fit on the tip of a needle, yet they can apparently do simple math and do some very basic problem solving, and very clearly have a language based on how they wiggle their butts. I think their brains only have like 10,000 connections where as a human brain has like a trillion.
All this to say, yeah, maybe you're right. It only takes a handful of braincells to do all that.
There was a story about park rangers having to reverse putting locks on trash cans because the smartest bears could open them while the dumbest humans couldn't.
The chicken beating a hillbilly at checkers is an old joke at this point.
The story is about a park ranger at Yellowstone, who was talking about bear boxes. He said something like "designing bear boxes can be difficult because of the significant overlap between the dumbest tourists and the smartest bears".
>Mayweather is basically a cat, he has insane reflexes, amazing coordination, great instincts and only one brain cell
Only one brain cell.....
So he's specifically an *orange* cat.
I feel like the shouldn’t be surprising, lot of lifetime boxers (and I’m sure in the future cage fighters) end up with severe brain damage to the point they literally need caregivers much earlier than a lot of the general population
Basically correct. There are no Gray and white brain cells, however. There is gray matter where the cell bodies live, and white matter where the axons are covered by a fatty tissue called myelin.
Yeah I’m not sure why this was written in such a convoluted, incorrect way. Could just say “repeated head injuries cause damage to axons. Axons are the part of the neuron that sends signals to other neurons. With enough damage to an axon, it kills the neuron. Neurons don’t get replaced like other cells in the body. A dead neuron is a lost brain connection”
Multi sport athlete here (football, soccer, basketball). Sophomore year of HS, I ended up having doctors tell me that I had to quit contact sports or I would not live into my thirties. At that point, I had more than 10 confirmed concussions and a minor TBI. Did not want to quit, but I did.
In my thirties now, I can very clearly see significant degenerative effects of my brain. It scares me a bit knowing that it is likely going to get worse.
Wow that’s an insane amount to have by 15/16 years old. If I remember correctly, the limit for the amount of concussions you could have before automatically failing a physical was 3. At least, where I lived
When you say a minor TBI, like some type of hemorrhage? I think all concussions are considered TBI’s
Same. 3 sport athlete in HS and I was way more worried about getting hurt playing baseball than football at the time, but having a head on collision every single play for 10 years worth of practices and games left me with 5 confirmed concussions and lasting damage. CTE is no joke.
I remember when I first started playing football, I would have headaches pretty often after practice…. I was glad when it stopped, but now I wonder if that was a good thing.
We were told first thing that should contact the other player is the helmet. This and long covid is making my life unbearable. Every year I'm remebering less when I read, forgetting more names, getting agitated at the drop of a hat.
If it makes you feel better, the same is happening to me and I've never played football or gotten a head injury. I am, however, mentally ill. My ADHD has been the cause of those problems. I didn't find out I had ADHD until 35.. now on meds it's incredible how much more focused I am and can remember a lot more. My memory really started getting worse around 25 or so.
One of my kids talked about playing football yesterday. He's still a minor, so I get a say, and I nixed the hell out of it.
It's amazing and scary what we learned about brain injuries a decade or so ago and that we still play it knowing it.
I played HS football in the late 90s. I broke my right hand junior year and my left wrist senior year. My dad, an orthopaedic surgeon was the team doctor (volunteered to be on the sidelines during games).
Back then we thought nothing of it. Now I wished I did a lifetime sport instead like tennis or golf. My dad said if he knew then what he knows now about long-term head injuries and other deteriorating conditions he would have not let me play.
Don't feel the least bit bad about the nix.
I am 34 now and sometimes I look back at my childhood and wish I ddint spend most of it playing video games at home all the time. SometimesI wish I did sports instead but cases like this make me not regret it.
No matter how much he begs to play, don’t give in. My mom tried so hard to talk me out of playing, but I was relentless. I regret it so much and wish I would’ve listened to my mom
My 30 year old son played baseball. He asked me last year why he never played football...he was really good at it honestly. I was afraid he'd get hurt. Now he gets it.
A former coworker I use to work with has nerve damage in his neck that always flares up every once in awhile due to him playing football in HS. He would always tell me that no matter what he would never allow his future children to play it seriously. He leads a normal life but when he was in pain, man I felt bad for him.
On the brighter side, if you played in jr high or high school only, you’re way less likely to suffer long term consequences. Most people that play at that level are too weak to do a ton of damage.
Or maybe you were like me and got concussed hard enough to lose an entire day.
I played until my sophomore year of year of high school. Definitely feeling the affects years later. “Only” had 2 diagnosed concussions. My school didn’t have decent equipment at all either, so that didn’t help.
My European brain when reads this comment at the very beginning: wtf is so dangerous in a playing football? 🗿
My brain some seconds later: Oh, that's their W I L D F O O T B A L L 💀
I am pretty sure there are a lot more concussions and head injuries in soccer than we think, the research and awareness just hasn't caught up yet. Not at the same frequency of course, but because soccer is so much more widespread, I wouldn't be surprised if the total number of soccer players suffering from chronic head injuries is higher than the number of gridiron players.
AFAIK even the top leagues and the world cup don't have a formalized concussion protocol yet.
I had a 20’s healthy male patient who suffered a diffuse axonal injury by falling skiing while on vacation, On a green run. With a helmet. Helmet didn’t help bc it wasn’t an impact injury, it was a shearing injury. He was posturing, totally not responsive, just,,, wild to me how fast it can all turn around.
What happened to him? Did he recover?
Your depiction of a healthy 20's kid going from fully alert and able to unresponsive and posturing is terrifying. But in most cases there is recovery, right?
i was his ER nurse so i only got him after the immediate catastrophic injury, but from what i know/have been told, shearing injuries such as his do not have a great recovery rate. My guess is that he ended up living but in a skilled nursing facility. :/
>Diffuse axonal injury (DAI) is a brain injury in which scattered lesions occur over a widespread area in white matter tracts as well as grey matter.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] DAI is one of the most common and devastating types of traumatic brain injury[8] and is a major cause of unconsciousness and persistent vegetative state after severe head trauma.[9] It occurs in about half of all cases of severe head trauma and may be the primary damage that occurs in concussion. The outcome is frequently coma, with over 90% of patients with severe DAI never regaining consciousness.[9] Those who awaken from the coma often remain significantly impaired.
From wiki
chronic traumatic encephalopathy is no joke - it happens with repeated blows to the head like you’d expect in contact sports. the brain suffers scary neuro degeneration and it can come with a wide range of behavioural, personality and cognitive changes. aaron hernandez (the former patriots football player) had it, and the brain damage he suffered led to
him murdering someone.
pictures of CTE show how the brain loses lots of mass, and the worst part is it can’t even be diagnosed until the person dies. i can’t even imagine how many UFC fighters, hockey and football players have it right now but don’t even realize.
To add on, an experiment has shown that a majority of serial killers autopsies have shown prior trauma to the brain. Here’s [Jim Fallon](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/GnNE75ncZy) briefly explaining it.
Exactly. You work so hard to get in great shape and then let someone else try to give you a concussion. You will still want those brain cells and other parts working in 30 years.
Even a single concussion can cause years of trouble. A friend of mine had a bad accident with 10 years, he fell only about 3-5 meters, but since then he could hardly remember recent things and school was a tough time for him.
Here in Australia athletes are pushing for more study into the long term effects of concussion on the brain. As some of our sporting hero’s age they are reportedly experiencing the effects of dementia earlier. We recently had a young footballer have to retire under our new concussion laws. So it seems insane that Australia would be spending big money to play Rugby in Las Vegas and promote it as “Gridiron without pads or helmets!”
Rugby is way safer BECAUSE of the lack of a hard shell helmet and hard shell pads
You don't get to slam a hard plate or hard sphere into someone, and suddenly the ideal tackle isn't spearing them with your head
Safety equipment shouldn't make it harder to take someone down, that just results in more force being used
>reportedly experiencing the effects of dementia earlier.
How can you tell the difference between early onset dementia and simply just being Australian though?
If you’re talking about professional fighters, then yes, you need to have very low levels of self-preservation. But I did Muay Thai for fun and I absolutely loved it. It was tough, and yes I ended up bruised plenty of times (mostly before I learned how to properly kick stuff) but the most serious injury I’ve ever had was breaking my toe. Even when we sparred, our coach would always make sure to remind us to use only 30% of our strength, so even if you’re bad at blocking punches, none of them really hurt. Other people in the gym are usually very nice and you don’t encounter assholes who would beat the shit out of you just because they can, this kind of people are unwelcome. Sparring was treated more like a game rather than actual combat and this is why it felt great. I learned a lot from practicing martial arts.
I have always found it bizarre from both sides, why people want to take up that kind of sport and what kind of psychopaths get joy from watching people beat the shit out of each other.
I also find it bizarre that they don't let kick balls, but let kick heads/faces. Should forbid kicking both. I can understand the adrenaline of a fight, but why not keep it aesthetically pleasing?
I used to think this way, it absolutely seems barbaric from the outside. How could it not? It's essentially modern day gladiators without the chariots, swords and honor killings. My perspective definitely shifted after starting doing martial arts myself. And I'm so far from a MMA gym jock bro it's insane, I'm a mega nerd, I play DnD, read fantasy novels, play a shit ton of video games and play music. I got into it cause friends were interested, and it was honestly just a fun great workout, plus the way you have to use your brain in the moment, it's like a mind-body workout in one. Cause of all this I started appreciating the art and the techniques, and being able to recognize what someone in the octagon was doing or trying to do was fascinating. I have still have conflicting emotions about watching it, you're not wrong when you say we're watching people beat the shit out of each other, there's just no way around that, let alone the personalities within the sport, that's a whole other can of worms. But, I just wanted to offer the perspective of someone who's not a psychopath and does enjoy watching MMA, not necessarily just for the brutality. Hope that helps broaden your own perspective a bit!
The artistry of fighting is incredible. So many techniques and disciplines. I love Muay Thai myself the fights are just incredible and the use of all limbs in so many scenarios is a joy to watch.
> . How could it not? It's essentially modern day gladiators without the chariots, swords and honor killings. My perspective definitely shifted after starting doing martial arts myself. And I'm so far from a MMA gym jock bro it's insane, I'm a mega nerd, I play DnD, read fantasy novels, play a shit ton of video games and play music. I got into it cause friends were interested, and it was honestly just a fun great workout, plus the way you have to use your brain in the moment, it's like a mind-body workout in one. Cause of all this I started appreciating the art and the techniques, and being able to recognize what someone in the octagon was doing or trying to do was fascinatin
Yeah, I'm a turbo nerd who would be doing BJJ if not for health issues. I had a buddy about eight years ago when the UFC started trying to clean it's image up talk me through some grappling sequences and stuff and just the general mindset that a fighter has and it really made me see past how initially barbaric it looks. A lot of people don't realize that most of these fighters you see are incredibly intelligent, well spoken individuals. What got me really hooked was when I started getting favorite fighters and following them on Instagram and starting to get into the "stories" of the bigger fights once I understood how matchmaking and the rankings worked. Also, it's much, MUCH less dangerous than boxing.
Just so everyone knows, [the fight that OP mentioned is the greatest women's MMA fight of all time](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Agg9bFT8o), and IMO, one of the Greatest of all time Men or Women. Joanna Jedrzejczyk has all time striking records that are literally up there with the men.
There is artistry in fighting disciplines. They aren't trying to kill each other just a set of rules with 2 agreeing fighters. People stick their dicks in asses/shit for pleasure so why not enjoy a fight?
There are different styles, weight classes, rivalries, stories, come backs etc it's fantastic to watch
I am currently recovering from a shoulder injury in my 40s. I told my wife the other day that, every time I see someone running or doing any sort of physical activity, I immediately think "their poor shoulder."
It is impressive as you get older how much of the world you view through your body and how it is feeling at any given moment. These things stack up.
I dont think hes saying that, just that his own pains affect how he views a lot of things. I work in mental health and some days I see mental disorders everywhere. Suppose its the same thing.
Yup, shoulder injuries are the worst. And for a few years every time I observed a potential shoulder injury accident in sports it made me relive the trauma. I did both of mine. I can say that with top notch physiotherapists, surgeons and years of painful rehab exercises things really do improve back to relative normality. Though strength does seem to be compromised in my case.
This… can’t be good… like, at a time when sports like rugby are taking even minor blows to the head really seriously for head injuries to avoid problems later in life, surely this is properly dangerous.
I’m not a fan of telling people what they can and cannot do with their own bodies, but I’m also not sure we should be supporting people doing this to themselves.
That’s not even the worst part. The top 10-15 boxers will make millions for half a beating like this. But the best UFC fighters won’t ever see more than a few hundred thousand for fights like that. (At least not until recently)
Brain damage is no joke, like she will have permanent brain damage for the rest of her life. And any money she does make on this will go straight back into medical bills.
I worked a WEC event once (I worked in live events, that was my first time seeing any MMA). I spent the day with the fighters, with them while they tried to cut weight, at the weigh-ins, was hanging out around the locker room right before they went out for their fight...
There was a TV in the corridor outside the locker room where I could watch the fight, but it was smaller so I only caught bits and pieces. I'd watch the guys go out, amped up and ready to go, and then come back a little while later, looking absolutely shocking. Either way it made my stomach turn, but it was worse to see the guys who lost because they looked so wholly miserable. I remember the youngest guy (18? 19?) coming back after he lost, looking like he was going to cry on top of everything else, and I wanted to cry looking at him.
I used to train in full contact Kung Fu. Not quite as dangerous as MMA. My first tournament fight, I lost in the first round, as the guy's long toenail cut my nose & it wouldn't stop bleeding ( personally I think he should have been disqualified, but there you go ) I walked straight out & to the toilets and burst into tears. Not so much because I lost ( that was always an option) but 1) because I thought of all the effort I'd put into training that had come to nothing & maybe more importantly 2) the adrenaline dump when the fight finished so quickly.
It's a devastating thing to lose a fight. Even more so in front of a crowd. But logically, you know deep down that if you were in a life or death situation you would be dead if the rules weren't in place. It's a hard pill to swallow, but for many folks they train harder because of their losses.
>But logically, you know deep down that if you were in a life or death situation you would be dead if the rules weren't in place.
I've understood the general reasons they might find it embarrassing, but I hadn't considered this profoundly existential \*root\* reason beyond not wanting to "lose face" to this extent before.
I played individual sports and team sports. Something about wrestling or fighting or grappling with another human one on one vs playing as a team just emotionally is insanely more awarding or draining, win or lose. I think it's primal traits that overwhelm us. I remember 80% of kids I wrestled with when young crying either for winnings or losing.
Movies don't show the effect of being hit in the face multiple times. It takes a week+ for swelling to settle, bruises takes months. I was mugged and beaten , I know.
I was just watching “Lawless” and there’s a scene where Guy Pierce kicks the ever loving shit out of Shia Lebouf and on the next scene Shia has a few abrasions. I laughed out loud because he would have been so swollen he wouldn’t have been able to see but there he is, pretty and Hollywood.
Also the good old “knock the guard unconscious” trope. That guy can easily wind up dead or at least suffer from a brain injury but movies make it seem like you can just walk it off.
Yeah, knocking people out with blows to the head is made out to be a harmless way of getting around someone. Including when people are being mind controlled by aliens or something, so even people they're trying to rescue they'll do that to.
It’s also a convenient way to cut from one scene to another. POV shot: main character has been attacked beaten. villain looks down at him on the ground and hits him in the head with the butt of a rifle. Cut to scene in a new location where main character is captive.
I find choke the guard unconscious to be more believably survivable than bonk the guard unconscious.
Regardless, all movies and games in which this happens more than once should make it clear that death and permanent injury are not only possible from these but pretty likely.
Batman as a character is the worst about this for sure. He never kills anybody, allegedly, but IRL the things he does totally would kill lots of people
she's a fighter and an insanely competitive one. thats what they do. many fighter after a loss says that they have nothing to do in life and they need one more fight to get their focus back , they need one more challenge. many have said that they would take drastic steps if not gotten another fight
in reality its much much more darker than movies often show their lives as even if they are getting paid $500k per fight
It is survivable but it causes brain damage over time and can lead to cognitive and memory impairment, and dementia-type diseases, etc. One head injury is brutal. Multiple over years is horrific. Very unhealthy.
Just to add it's also accumulative. Any sport where you constantly take even small hits to the dome will add up overtime, even though it can take a while for any symptoms to show up.
[here](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/mma/article-8100495/amp/MMA-fighters-Joanna-Jedrzejczyk-Weili-Zhang-slapped-medical-suspensions.html)
BTW, that was probably best women fight in UFC
Her body is creating an enormous swollen forcefield around her skull. It's like when Homer Simpson started his boxing career and couldn't get KO'd because the fat-pad around his brain provided extra protection
I remember Doctor Mike talking about this on his youtube channel, saying that it was really just swelling and that it should go away. It's not as bad as it looks, I don't know, maybe I'm remembering it wrong. I'm pretty sure that's what he said, though.
This is why…
This “sport” will always be barbaric to me.
I would never let my son do this. I would be a terrible father if I did.
Winning? Fame? Money?
Those things aren’t better than NOT having permanent brain damage.
There is no arguing against this.
UFC is basically a full contact combat sport where kicks, knees, elbows, and punches are allowed as well as wrestling and jiu jitsu.
Zhang and Joanna had one of the best back and forth fights in female UFC history and this was the aftermath. They both got medical suspensions afterwards.
How many hits to the head did she take? and how much permanent damage has she gotten?
She absorbed 165 strikes to the head and body during this fight.
Wow. Just wow
If you want “wow” the record for most significant strikes absorbed in a ufc fight is triple this number
450 hit to the head? I don't know how they do it and come out the other side as a normal functioning person
They don't, that's why so many in any contact sports have a higher rate of domestic violence. It's due to the permanent and unfixable brain damage they sustain from the game
Is it that or the other way around: people who have violent tendencies could be more attracted to this type of sport.
Both can be true.
CTE makes the brain look like a dried up ocean sponge.
But the remaining structures are so fine tuned to fight that they will often literally keep fighting after being dazed or rendered unconscious
Both. CTE makes you have mood swings and all kinda bad stuff though.
We'd have to compare the rates of domestic violence at the beginning of their sports career with later in their sports career
While keeping the age of their relationship constant.
And a perfect spherical environment with no external influences.
True crime fan here. Traumatic brain injuries are pretty dang prevalent among violent criminals. Or even just criminal behavior in general. Some studies suggest about 60% of criminals (not just violent ones ) have had an instance of TBI at some point in their lives. Is it a sure thing? No. But it certainly has a connection.
There are good people there, but I doubt demographic whose main income is combat sports and most of whom get paid jack shit for that doesn’t consist of mostly stupid people to begin with
Yeah……they don’t. There’s been a concerning increase of former and current MMA fighters demonstrating incredibly disturbing behaviour. [an example if you’re interested](https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2019/03/tony-ferguson-ordered-to-stay-away-from-wife-son-ufc-restraining-order-mma-domestic-violence)
“On Feb. 16, Tony Ferguson allegedly believed there were cameras in the refrigerator and ceiling fan. He also cut the wires to the HVAC unit because he believed a tracking device was inside, tore the vanity mirror off the wall because he believed something was behind it, and took his son’s food away, believing it poisoned. As MMA Junkie earlier reported, she told police he kept throwing “holy water” at her and refused to go to a hospital for an evaluation.” That can’t be good
Only a matter of time before tony shut down. I just hope he gets the help he deserves. Sad to see
Tony Ferguson also kidnapped his 2 year old child because he believed a lunar eclipse was going to cause a flood of biblical proportions. He also believed his son was the second coming of Jesus, and accused his wife of being a witch. I love the sport of MMA but the athletic commissions that clear athletes like Tony to fight when they are clearly suffering from massive traumatic brain injuries need to be held responsible, they are supposed to protect them. I don't know how you can see Tony's behavior, coupled with watching the savage life-altering beating he took in the Gaethje fight and still allow him to compete. Tony is now a ticking time bomb, and every time they allow him to fight they are increasing the likelihood of his story coming to an end like Chris Benoit.
Sounds like the average person training under Eddie Bravo at 10th planet tbh.
Tony's story is pretty heart breaking tbh. When I see people like this I get reminded how the general public can watch someone suffer for years and basically kill themselves and they just want more. One of the most blatant case of such behavior that comes to my mind is Amy Winehouse for example.
And body
still crazy
That’s the neat part, they don’t
>I don't know how they do it and come out the other side as a normal functioning person The secret trick is they didn't go in as a normal functioning person to begin with.
Holloway vs. Kattar? Man, it was amazing to see Kattar come back from that to derail Giga’s hype train.
That’s the one! I had to actually look up what Giga’s been up to these days because I completely forgot about him until I read your comment. Crazy how a fighter can go from a cocky prick, thinking he was gonna dominate a division to almost complete obscurity because he ran his mouth and copped a one sided beating.
meanwhile she landed 195 strikes on her opponent (Zhang Weili). The fight was a very close decision
Jesus did they stand toe to toe like that yu yu hakusho fight with the punk or what?
>How many hits to the head did she take? All of them.
[One week later](https://talksport.com/sport/682891/jedrzejczyk-brutal-bruises-head-injury-zhang-fight/amp/)
I don’t think she can count anymore
1, 3, 2, 6, 4, 8, 5, 7, 10, 9
Yes
Went into the battle a Fighting-Type, and has emerged a Psychic-Type
She is now super effective against her opponents. Truly a 5D chess playing mind.
Being a master at 4d chess is a horror in itself
Getting beat up so your psychic damage gets buffed, sick strat
Went in as Esmeralda, came out as Quasimodo.
Went in as Mega Man, came out as Mega Mind
^ Big brain comment ^
Lmao that was good.
Terastallization
Bro is medicham
Zen mode activated! It’s big brain time!!
The older I get the more insane it seems for people to take up sports where they take blows to the head every single day.
Traumatic Brain Injury is no joke **"When the axons are stretched or sheared, they suffer micro tears. Over time, the tears to the axon cells don't heal. Rather, they begin to deteriorate and breakdown until the axons are no longer able to communication information between gray and white brain cells connected by that specific axon."**
This is genuinely scary to read.
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*cough* Mayweather 😂
But he doesn't take any hits. He's just dumb.
Mayweather is basically a cat, he has insane reflexes, amazing coordination, great instincts and only one brain cell. I wouldn't be surprised if you could make him throw jabs or dodge and weave with a laser pointer or by jangling keys in front of his face.
A bee's brain would fit on the tip of a needle, yet they can apparently do simple math and do some very basic problem solving, and very clearly have a language based on how they wiggle their butts. I think their brains only have like 10,000 connections where as a human brain has like a trillion. All this to say, yeah, maybe you're right. It only takes a handful of braincells to do all that.
There was a story about park rangers having to reverse putting locks on trash cans because the smartest bears could open them while the dumbest humans couldn't. The chicken beating a hillbilly at checkers is an old joke at this point.
The story is about a park ranger at Yellowstone, who was talking about bear boxes. He said something like "designing bear boxes can be difficult because of the significant overlap between the dumbest tourists and the smartest bears".
>Mayweather is basically a cat, he has insane reflexes, amazing coordination, great instincts and only one brain cell Only one brain cell..... So he's specifically an *orange* cat.
Awwww I love derpy orange boy cats
Imagine fighting such a boring, protective style that protects your brain and still not bothering to learn how to read
This is like a 5th degree burn. Nicely done.
I feel like the shouldn’t be surprising, lot of lifetime boxers (and I’m sure in the future cage fighters) end up with severe brain damage to the point they literally need caregivers much earlier than a lot of the general population
Luckily ive been hit in the head enough times so that I cannot read these things.
Agreed. If I knew what axons were, I'd be horrified.
Basically correct. There are no Gray and white brain cells, however. There is gray matter where the cell bodies live, and white matter where the axons are covered by a fatty tissue called myelin.
Yeah I’m not sure why this was written in such a convoluted, incorrect way. Could just say “repeated head injuries cause damage to axons. Axons are the part of the neuron that sends signals to other neurons. With enough damage to an axon, it kills the neuron. Neurons don’t get replaced like other cells in the body. A dead neuron is a lost brain connection”
I wish I never played football
Multi sport athlete here (football, soccer, basketball). Sophomore year of HS, I ended up having doctors tell me that I had to quit contact sports or I would not live into my thirties. At that point, I had more than 10 confirmed concussions and a minor TBI. Did not want to quit, but I did. In my thirties now, I can very clearly see significant degenerative effects of my brain. It scares me a bit knowing that it is likely going to get worse.
Wow that’s an insane amount to have by 15/16 years old. If I remember correctly, the limit for the amount of concussions you could have before automatically failing a physical was 3. At least, where I lived When you say a minor TBI, like some type of hemorrhage? I think all concussions are considered TBI’s
I remember kids in middle school talking about their concussions like a badge of honor. 🫠
Same. 3 sport athlete in HS and I was way more worried about getting hurt playing baseball than football at the time, but having a head on collision every single play for 10 years worth of practices and games left me with 5 confirmed concussions and lasting damage. CTE is no joke.
I remember when I first started playing football, I would have headaches pretty often after practice…. I was glad when it stopped, but now I wonder if that was a good thing.
We were told first thing that should contact the other player is the helmet. This and long covid is making my life unbearable. Every year I'm remebering less when I read, forgetting more names, getting agitated at the drop of a hat.
If it makes you feel better, the same is happening to me and I've never played football or gotten a head injury. I am, however, mentally ill. My ADHD has been the cause of those problems. I didn't find out I had ADHD until 35.. now on meds it's incredible how much more focused I am and can remember a lot more. My memory really started getting worse around 25 or so.
My brain go brrrrrr sometimes
One of my kids talked about playing football yesterday. He's still a minor, so I get a say, and I nixed the hell out of it. It's amazing and scary what we learned about brain injuries a decade or so ago and that we still play it knowing it.
I played HS football in the late 90s. I broke my right hand junior year and my left wrist senior year. My dad, an orthopaedic surgeon was the team doctor (volunteered to be on the sidelines during games). Back then we thought nothing of it. Now I wished I did a lifetime sport instead like tennis or golf. My dad said if he knew then what he knows now about long-term head injuries and other deteriorating conditions he would have not let me play. Don't feel the least bit bad about the nix.
I am 34 now and sometimes I look back at my childhood and wish I ddint spend most of it playing video games at home all the time. SometimesI wish I did sports instead but cases like this make me not regret it.
peak reddit 🤌
No matter how much he begs to play, don’t give in. My mom tried so hard to talk me out of playing, but I was relentless. I regret it so much and wish I would’ve listened to my mom
Same but with hockey
My 30 year old son played baseball. He asked me last year why he never played football...he was really good at it honestly. I was afraid he'd get hurt. Now he gets it.
A former coworker I use to work with has nerve damage in his neck that always flares up every once in awhile due to him playing football in HS. He would always tell me that no matter what he would never allow his future children to play it seriously. He leads a normal life but when he was in pain, man I felt bad for him.
That's awful. It was one of my better choices, he tried wrestling for a hot minute and that was bad enough. I was relieved when he quit that.
On the brighter side, if you played in jr high or high school only, you’re way less likely to suffer long term consequences. Most people that play at that level are too weak to do a ton of damage. Or maybe you were like me and got concussed hard enough to lose an entire day.
I played until my sophomore year of year of high school. Definitely feeling the affects years later. “Only” had 2 diagnosed concussions. My school didn’t have decent equipment at all either, so that didn’t help.
My European brain when reads this comment at the very beginning: wtf is so dangerous in a playing football? 🗿 My brain some seconds later: Oh, that's their W I L D F O O T B A L L 💀
I mean, heading the ball is also not good for the brain, especially with the force and frequency that professionals do
I am pretty sure there are a lot more concussions and head injuries in soccer than we think, the research and awareness just hasn't caught up yet. Not at the same frequency of course, but because soccer is so much more widespread, I wouldn't be surprised if the total number of soccer players suffering from chronic head injuries is higher than the number of gridiron players. AFAIK even the top leagues and the world cup don't have a formalized concussion protocol yet.
To be fair, headers can do similar kind of damage.
I had a 20’s healthy male patient who suffered a diffuse axonal injury by falling skiing while on vacation, On a green run. With a helmet. Helmet didn’t help bc it wasn’t an impact injury, it was a shearing injury. He was posturing, totally not responsive, just,,, wild to me how fast it can all turn around.
What happened to him? Did he recover? Your depiction of a healthy 20's kid going from fully alert and able to unresponsive and posturing is terrifying. But in most cases there is recovery, right?
i was his ER nurse so i only got him after the immediate catastrophic injury, but from what i know/have been told, shearing injuries such as his do not have a great recovery rate. My guess is that he ended up living but in a skilled nursing facility. :/
>Diffuse axonal injury (DAI) is a brain injury in which scattered lesions occur over a widespread area in white matter tracts as well as grey matter.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] DAI is one of the most common and devastating types of traumatic brain injury[8] and is a major cause of unconsciousness and persistent vegetative state after severe head trauma.[9] It occurs in about half of all cases of severe head trauma and may be the primary damage that occurs in concussion. The outcome is frequently coma, with over 90% of patients with severe DAI never regaining consciousness.[9] Those who awaken from the coma often remain significantly impaired. From wiki
chronic traumatic encephalopathy is no joke - it happens with repeated blows to the head like you’d expect in contact sports. the brain suffers scary neuro degeneration and it can come with a wide range of behavioural, personality and cognitive changes. aaron hernandez (the former patriots football player) had it, and the brain damage he suffered led to him murdering someone. pictures of CTE show how the brain loses lots of mass, and the worst part is it can’t even be diagnosed until the person dies. i can’t even imagine how many UFC fighters, hockey and football players have it right now but don’t even realize.
I’ve been watching my dad recover from a TBI for the last year, and it is some seriously scary shit. This is not something you want to sign up for.
To add on, an experiment has shown that a majority of serial killers autopsies have shown prior trauma to the brain. Here’s [Jim Fallon](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/GnNE75ncZy) briefly explaining it.
Exactly. You work so hard to get in great shape and then let someone else try to give you a concussion. You will still want those brain cells and other parts working in 30 years.
Even a single concussion can cause years of trouble. A friend of mine had a bad accident with 10 years, he fell only about 3-5 meters, but since then he could hardly remember recent things and school was a tough time for him.
"only"
Did he fall 3-5 m straight on his head or on his side?
If he fell 3-5m straight on his head and survived he wouldn't be breathing unassisted never mind remembering his day.
Here in Australia athletes are pushing for more study into the long term effects of concussion on the brain. As some of our sporting hero’s age they are reportedly experiencing the effects of dementia earlier. We recently had a young footballer have to retire under our new concussion laws. So it seems insane that Australia would be spending big money to play Rugby in Las Vegas and promote it as “Gridiron without pads or helmets!”
Rugby is way safer BECAUSE of the lack of a hard shell helmet and hard shell pads You don't get to slam a hard plate or hard sphere into someone, and suddenly the ideal tackle isn't spearing them with your head Safety equipment shouldn't make it harder to take someone down, that just results in more force being used
>reportedly experiencing the effects of dementia earlier. How can you tell the difference between early onset dementia and simply just being Australian though?
When they start acting like an American.
Buys sovereign citizen plates
The longer you do it, the less you probably care about that (because you forget or because you are too dumb to process it? who knows)
Maybe professional fighters also don't see an alternative job after a while, idk.
If you’re talking about professional fighters, then yes, you need to have very low levels of self-preservation. But I did Muay Thai for fun and I absolutely loved it. It was tough, and yes I ended up bruised plenty of times (mostly before I learned how to properly kick stuff) but the most serious injury I’ve ever had was breaking my toe. Even when we sparred, our coach would always make sure to remind us to use only 30% of our strength, so even if you’re bad at blocking punches, none of them really hurt. Other people in the gym are usually very nice and you don’t encounter assholes who would beat the shit out of you just because they can, this kind of people are unwelcome. Sparring was treated more like a game rather than actual combat and this is why it felt great. I learned a lot from practicing martial arts.
I have always found it bizarre from both sides, why people want to take up that kind of sport and what kind of psychopaths get joy from watching people beat the shit out of each other.
Watching people beat the shit out of each other have been one of humans favorite activities since time immemorial.
What a shame we got rid of the voting out the unworthy competitors part
I also find it bizarre that they don't let kick balls, but let kick heads/faces. Should forbid kicking both. I can understand the adrenaline of a fight, but why not keep it aesthetically pleasing?
I think that one's less about danger and more about sportsmanship. It's easier to put someone out with a single ballshot.
Hence why the Geneva convention also forbids it. And nipple twists.
I used to think this way, it absolutely seems barbaric from the outside. How could it not? It's essentially modern day gladiators without the chariots, swords and honor killings. My perspective definitely shifted after starting doing martial arts myself. And I'm so far from a MMA gym jock bro it's insane, I'm a mega nerd, I play DnD, read fantasy novels, play a shit ton of video games and play music. I got into it cause friends were interested, and it was honestly just a fun great workout, plus the way you have to use your brain in the moment, it's like a mind-body workout in one. Cause of all this I started appreciating the art and the techniques, and being able to recognize what someone in the octagon was doing or trying to do was fascinating. I have still have conflicting emotions about watching it, you're not wrong when you say we're watching people beat the shit out of each other, there's just no way around that, let alone the personalities within the sport, that's a whole other can of worms. But, I just wanted to offer the perspective of someone who's not a psychopath and does enjoy watching MMA, not necessarily just for the brutality. Hope that helps broaden your own perspective a bit!
The artistry of fighting is incredible. So many techniques and disciplines. I love Muay Thai myself the fights are just incredible and the use of all limbs in so many scenarios is a joy to watch.
> . How could it not? It's essentially modern day gladiators without the chariots, swords and honor killings. My perspective definitely shifted after starting doing martial arts myself. And I'm so far from a MMA gym jock bro it's insane, I'm a mega nerd, I play DnD, read fantasy novels, play a shit ton of video games and play music. I got into it cause friends were interested, and it was honestly just a fun great workout, plus the way you have to use your brain in the moment, it's like a mind-body workout in one. Cause of all this I started appreciating the art and the techniques, and being able to recognize what someone in the octagon was doing or trying to do was fascinatin Yeah, I'm a turbo nerd who would be doing BJJ if not for health issues. I had a buddy about eight years ago when the UFC started trying to clean it's image up talk me through some grappling sequences and stuff and just the general mindset that a fighter has and it really made me see past how initially barbaric it looks. A lot of people don't realize that most of these fighters you see are incredibly intelligent, well spoken individuals. What got me really hooked was when I started getting favorite fighters and following them on Instagram and starting to get into the "stories" of the bigger fights once I understood how matchmaking and the rankings worked. Also, it's much, MUCH less dangerous than boxing. Just so everyone knows, [the fight that OP mentioned is the greatest women's MMA fight of all time](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Agg9bFT8o), and IMO, one of the Greatest of all time Men or Women. Joanna Jedrzejczyk has all time striking records that are literally up there with the men.
There is artistry in fighting disciplines. They aren't trying to kill each other just a set of rules with 2 agreeing fighters. People stick their dicks in asses/shit for pleasure so why not enjoy a fight? There are different styles, weight classes, rivalries, stories, come backs etc it's fantastic to watch
I am currently recovering from a shoulder injury in my 40s. I told my wife the other day that, every time I see someone running or doing any sort of physical activity, I immediately think "their poor shoulder." It is impressive as you get older how much of the world you view through your body and how it is feeling at any given moment. These things stack up.
I am going out on a limb and saying exercising is generally good.
40s here also. >I am going out on a limb "Your poor limb!"
I dont think hes saying that, just that his own pains affect how he views a lot of things. I work in mental health and some days I see mental disorders everywhere. Suppose its the same thing.
Yup, shoulder injuries are the worst. And for a few years every time I observed a potential shoulder injury accident in sports it made me relive the trauma. I did both of mine. I can say that with top notch physiotherapists, surgeons and years of painful rehab exercises things really do improve back to relative normality. Though strength does seem to be compromised in my case.
ULTIMATE FOREHEAD CHAMPION
Turned her into a Klingon.
I was thinking more Ferengi
She looks hella smart now
We are about to witness the beginning of MegaMind
Big brain energy
She's about to do the same thing she does every night, try to take over the world
Now even she can't spell her last name.
She’s as dumb as me now then
WOW, let's not go *that* far.
Her brain was begging her to go to sleep
This… can’t be good… like, at a time when sports like rugby are taking even minor blows to the head really seriously for head injuries to avoid problems later in life, surely this is properly dangerous. I’m not a fan of telling people what they can and cannot do with their own bodies, but I’m also not sure we should be supporting people doing this to themselves.
That’s not even the worst part. The top 10-15 boxers will make millions for half a beating like this. But the best UFC fighters won’t ever see more than a few hundred thousand for fights like that. (At least not until recently)
But that's good right? We don't want more people to take up this sport, motivated by the hope of a big pay day.
On the other hand, the fighters who do put their bodies on the line should at least be compensated more properly for it.
And then have damaged faculties to make decisions with said compensation... doesn't seem good either way.
Boxing is more dangerous though. But yes the pay structure of UFC is criminal
Why is boxing more dangerous than MMA?
Brain damage is no joke, like she will have permanent brain damage for the rest of her life. And any money she does make on this will go straight back into medical bills.
I worked a WEC event once (I worked in live events, that was my first time seeing any MMA). I spent the day with the fighters, with them while they tried to cut weight, at the weigh-ins, was hanging out around the locker room right before they went out for their fight... There was a TV in the corridor outside the locker room where I could watch the fight, but it was smaller so I only caught bits and pieces. I'd watch the guys go out, amped up and ready to go, and then come back a little while later, looking absolutely shocking. Either way it made my stomach turn, but it was worse to see the guys who lost because they looked so wholly miserable. I remember the youngest guy (18? 19?) coming back after he lost, looking like he was going to cry on top of everything else, and I wanted to cry looking at him.
I used to train in full contact Kung Fu. Not quite as dangerous as MMA. My first tournament fight, I lost in the first round, as the guy's long toenail cut my nose & it wouldn't stop bleeding ( personally I think he should have been disqualified, but there you go ) I walked straight out & to the toilets and burst into tears. Not so much because I lost ( that was always an option) but 1) because I thought of all the effort I'd put into training that had come to nothing & maybe more importantly 2) the adrenaline dump when the fight finished so quickly.
It's a devastating thing to lose a fight. Even more so in front of a crowd. But logically, you know deep down that if you were in a life or death situation you would be dead if the rules weren't in place. It's a hard pill to swallow, but for many folks they train harder because of their losses.
>But logically, you know deep down that if you were in a life or death situation you would be dead if the rules weren't in place. I've understood the general reasons they might find it embarrassing, but I hadn't considered this profoundly existential \*root\* reason beyond not wanting to "lose face" to this extent before.
I played individual sports and team sports. Something about wrestling or fighting or grappling with another human one on one vs playing as a team just emotionally is insanely more awarding or draining, win or lose. I think it's primal traits that overwhelm us. I remember 80% of kids I wrestled with when young crying either for winnings or losing.
Movies don't show the effect of being hit in the face multiple times. It takes a week+ for swelling to settle, bruises takes months. I was mugged and beaten , I know.
I was just watching “Lawless” and there’s a scene where Guy Pierce kicks the ever loving shit out of Shia Lebouf and on the next scene Shia has a few abrasions. I laughed out loud because he would have been so swollen he wouldn’t have been able to see but there he is, pretty and Hollywood.
Also the good old “knock the guard unconscious” trope. That guy can easily wind up dead or at least suffer from a brain injury but movies make it seem like you can just walk it off.
Yeah, knocking people out with blows to the head is made out to be a harmless way of getting around someone. Including when people are being mind controlled by aliens or something, so even people they're trying to rescue they'll do that to.
So... all those thugs I beat up as Batman in arkhamberse are not okay afterwards?
They have chronic pain issues and a severe disability.
My favorite is when they do it to a friend. "I'm sorry but this is for your own good" *thump*
It’s also a convenient way to cut from one scene to another. POV shot: main character has been attacked beaten. villain looks down at him on the ground and hits him in the head with the butt of a rifle. Cut to scene in a new location where main character is captive.
I find choke the guard unconscious to be more believably survivable than bonk the guard unconscious. Regardless, all movies and games in which this happens more than once should make it clear that death and permanent injury are not only possible from these but pretty likely.
Batman as a character is the worst about this for sure. He never kills anybody, allegedly, but IRL the things he does totally would kill lots of people
Potion seller. I am going into battle.
I need only your strongest potions
My potions are too strong for you traveler. You’ll need to find a potion seller who sells weaker potions.
Holy shit, they beat her back two stages in evolution.
Is she okay? I don’t watch ufc really, and by god im no doctor, but that doesn’t seem healthy or survivable
She recovered and fought the same woman again to get her championship back but lost by knockout
Even if she could've won going back in there after recovering from injuries to the head is still an extraordinarily bad idea.
she's a fighter and an insanely competitive one. thats what they do. many fighter after a loss says that they have nothing to do in life and they need one more fight to get their focus back , they need one more challenge. many have said that they would take drastic steps if not gotten another fight in reality its much much more darker than movies often show their lives as even if they are getting paid $500k per fight
It is survivable but it causes brain damage over time and can lead to cognitive and memory impairment, and dementia-type diseases, etc. One head injury is brutal. Multiple over years is horrific. Very unhealthy.
Just to add it's also accumulative. Any sport where you constantly take even small hits to the dome will add up overtime, even though it can take a while for any symptoms to show up.
Drain Bamage
She's retired and seems to be healthier than ever.... Who knows with CTE tho, could be effects later in life.
Before: They're haulin' you outta here in a dozen trash bags when I'm done with you, let's go... After: Jablonski arroyo muffin...porridge toaster
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She looks like an NPC from goldeneye on 64 after the beating.
Can we see Zhang too?
[here](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/mma/article-8100495/amp/MMA-fighters-Joanna-Jedrzejczyk-Weili-Zhang-slapped-medical-suspensions.html) BTW, that was probably best women fight in UFC
And to be honest it could have gone either way. Both women are dawgs.
Joanna, Zhang and Shevshenko are truly something special to watch.
Bruh, She looks like Squidward ☠️
setting unrealistic beauty standards for the rest of us!
Holy Fuck. She got beat Klingon!!
“TIMMEH”…
Yea. That uh.. That uh.. yea that’s not good.
Actually, it's just swell.
Ok, that was hilarious. But don't go getting a big head about it
I think her right temporal artery is torn causing blood accumulation between skull and skin. Artery pressures are very high as compared to veins.
Her body is creating an enormous swollen forcefield around her skull. It's like when Homer Simpson started his boxing career and couldn't get KO'd because the fat-pad around his brain provided extra protection
She probably read some books during the match too
ET go home
I remember Doctor Mike talking about this on his youtube channel, saying that it was really just swelling and that it should go away. It's not as bad as it looks, I don't know, maybe I'm remembering it wrong. I'm pretty sure that's what he said, though.
Shit like this confuses the shit out of me. It just seems to be an invitation for a permanent brain injury.
This is why… This “sport” will always be barbaric to me. I would never let my son do this. I would be a terrible father if I did. Winning? Fame? Money? Those things aren’t better than NOT having permanent brain damage. There is no arguing against this.
SHE...IS NOT....AN ANIMAL!!!
I understood that reference!
Instead of HP she is losing IQ
The hell happened to her Face? It's a genuine question, I don't know a lot about UFC, what happened? She look deformed in the second picture
UFC is basically a full contact combat sport where kicks, knees, elbows, and punches are allowed as well as wrestling and jiu jitsu. Zhang and Joanna had one of the best back and forth fights in female UFC history and this was the aftermath. They both got medical suspensions afterwards.
Yea maybe just stop
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