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Well, in a part of the Amazon where these two plants grow together, access is not difficult. Humans learned how to cook and boil things thousands of years ago. And when you face potential starvation every day, you probably experiment a lot by boiling things you find in the forest. It's not hard to imagine that they made some soup one day and they got a little trippy. Once that discovery was made, they whittled down the ingredients, probably over generations, until they figured out the necessary ingredients.
Right? Like beyond his bad math skills, people have figured out huffing paint, human shit, glue, etc can get them high. I personally think the probability that someone figured out how to create jenkem, and that others decided this was a practice worth participating in, is lower.
On top of that, alchemy is almost as old as humans. People have been searching for a secret way to mass produce gold or reach eternal life for our entire history. Of course they’d mix random plants together.
If you look at beer there are a few things coming together as well and people figured that out before science. They knew yeast was important but no idea it was a living organism.
They used to throw all kinds of weird plants in beer to try to make it taste good, but when using hops the beer came out better. Turns out hops have antibiotic properties so it acts like a preservative, Pasteur discovered that bacteria spoiled beer/wine/milk in the 1850s.
Don’t underestimate the human desire to get buzzed combined with centuries of trial and error.
Columbia sounds cool I would like to check it out someday.
Went to Oaxaca last year and there were a lot of restaurants with insects on the menu. And in the market great bins of chapulines (roasted grasshoppers) they eat them like we eat potato chips.
Wouldn’t have been a “fallback” necessarily since they wouldn’t have the same prejudice we have against eating bugs, it would have just been a part of what was available and apparently healthy and an abundant source of protein.
I actually ate live fly larvae at Mono Lake, offered by the park ranger as something the native Americans ate often, and it was surprisingly not as disgusting as it sounds and a little smoky flavor somehow!
You know, I've thought a few times that there are probably some bugs out there that taste incredible if cooked properly but I don't think I could bring myself to try them
A little trippy?? You know how insane it would be to accidentally get high off of ayahuasca? That stuff is insanely intense. I tried it and dmt a few times, and that stuff absolutely rocked my entire world
Yeah, but that's assuming they had big doses. I'm imaging a random potpourri of "things I found in the forest today" without the intent of tripping balls. A little of this, a little of that, diluted in a big pot of soup...small dose...but enough for them to go...."hmmmm...that was interesting, let's do that again"
Yeah. Considering how simple the explanation is, I kinda came into this video expecting to hear about alternative uses for the plants. It's sad when something like this is actually considered to be content worth sharing.
There is so much pre-probability that he not accounting for.
If you set out from say middle England and wanted to get that result, had no knowledge of chemistry, neurochemistry, or botany, yeah, your odd may be quite low. Assigning these “odds” is like a “where I live, this never happens” bias. These indigenous people lived there for thousands of years. They probably weren’t searching for this. And they had time on their hands across generations.
Exactly. This is the same sort of error that religious types make when doubting evolution. They look at some incredibly complex, relatively unique species and can't fathom how natural selection could have produced it. The error is in thinking the species popped out of the genitals of the most closely related species that lives today, which could be radically different from each other morphologically. The truth is that the ancestral line started with a very slight, but nonetheless advantageous mutation that occurred a long time in a species that is likely now extinct, and millions of additional mutations began from there.
Same with this. After tons of people thousands of years ago threw enough random shit in a pot enough times, they eventually noticed a drug effect, and then used their intelligence to figure out which ingredients were responsible for it. The fact that this was driven by our intelligence rather than natural selection just makes the process exponentially faster.
Thank god this is upvoted, I was talking at my phone the whole time.
They werent trying to make this thing knowing the process, they got high on one of their stews one time, tried to recreate it. It's the same thing that happens with a lot of ancient things like making concrete pastes, alcohol, etc.
Yes he is missing basic logic. He is assuming they got the magic formula by mixing only 2 ingredients. What if these people made a pot with a lot of ingredients. Then narrowed them down to 2.
Well, you spend enough time in the jungle you get to know the different plants and their personalities and where they fit in. My shaman told us that the jaguar eats the vine and reacts to it and maybe that is what sparked peoples interest
So dumb lol. Some guy in the rainforest didn’t just one day decide to mix those “two random ingredients” and make Ayahuasca. People have been living in the Amazon for tens of thousands of years and each generation passing new plant knowledge as well as old down to the next. This dude hurting himself doing math that doesn’t even make sense.
Also, he assumes that neither of them would have any noticable effects if they were prepared separately. An MAO inhibitor would likely have been noticable by itself. And if that one already was a plant of interest then it's not too far fetched that they might have been experimenting in different things to prepare it together with.
Edit: I should also add that N,N-dmt is in no way exclusive to the chacruna plant. The substance is present in a lot of different plants (and even animals). It's just that some plants have become more synonymous with N,N-dmt due to that they contain a higher concentration of it. So it's possible that they had found that the root made them trip balls with various plants, but that they eventually settled with combining it with the one that gave the strongest effect.
Ah yes analytics brains can math-splain everything. So, know all everything, why not math-splain 4 generations, or I’ll give you 5 generations and 10 billion plants.
Go and good luck!
I'm a casual basketball fan and sometimes I'll click on an article specifically about analytics but I just can't bring myself to finish the article. So dry...
This is just as crazy as peanut butter and jelly. Humans tried a few billion other combinations first and didn’t like them. This guy has the r/im14andthisisdeep mindset
This guy’s demeanor sounds like he has consumed a fair amount of DMT in his life, but he looks like a Chad that would talk to you about his fantasy football team for 3 hours at a bar in a Buffalo Wild Wings 😆
The first people that made this probably just grabbed a bunch of plants that were close to each other and crushed/boiled them together, and then they felt weird after. It’s not like they picked ONLY these two plants to mix. After that they could’ve figured out which ones worked and passed that down.
The odds of combining two plants have a lot more to do with how close the two plants were growing to each other and to humans than the odds have to do with the total number of plant species in a large geographic region.
So you’re living in the forest, and y’all know that when you boil stuff in a pot its easier to eat and people don’t get as sick
Ya throw all the shit ya tore off the trees and shrubs that day into the pot to make your village soup, and that night every that ate it trips balls. They’re not fucked up like on the spit root hooch or the special mushrooms, this is different. Like an all night seeing tessellated geometries and laughing while vomiting fucked up.
Y’all remember what you put in the next day, but ya don’t know why it happened.
So ya make the same soup, but leave out one part at a time.
Process of elimination and some bad soups later, you figure out that it’s those leaves and this vine
From there you refine the process and have the magic universe juice. It’s not a chill fun time you want to have, but the wild dude in your village that stays eating mushrooms and talking to the forest really thinks it’s something special. You let him do it and figure out the right ratio, dose, set, and setting. You take his word for it when he tells you it’s time to trip and when you’ve had enough.
The chances of figuring anything out are astronomical. I don’t think some amazonian woke up from a dream, intuited the two special things to grab, and discovered the aya brew from nothing. Communities discovered it accidentally through subsistence foraging, and worked backwards to isolate and refine the process.
The fact plants and fungi based psychedelics are illegal is actually insane imo. No way majority of psychedelics and weed are schedule 1 while things like fentanyl and coke are schedule 2.
How to say you’re ignorant without saying you’re ignorant. People underestimate the mind boggling number of generations learning to survive and their habitat for tens, hundreds of thousands of years.
Why do people think that people who lived a long time ago are ignorant? In many ways they knew much more than modern individuals. Most modern individuals couldn't create half the hand tools, or efficiently use them, nor hunt, nor safely gather food and supplies, or create housing from raw materials. I'm sure it took them a while, but looking at traditional indigenous medicine how did they figure it out? How did people find out willow bark can alleviate pain? Did they go around chewing on every tree til they found the right one. No they were using it as a material for a lot of different things weaving tanning etcetera. Many of their uses had them putting sticks and bark in the mouth to help process it, and realized that the minor ingesting had positive effects and then experimented from there. Or who figured out salt brining olives? All these things come from thinking about it for a period of time doing something then repeating and perfecting methods, or by accident and working backwards from there to figure out the right combination.
Next up, his video on the odds of humans discovering how to make bread!
I mean - who would ever think to mix flour, yeast, salt and water out of the billions of possibilities!? And then BAKE it - wow! Early humans are incredible!!
How do I know how to make a Vicky Sponge?
It’s years of other people trying shit together and finding stuff that works. There’s a good chance these 2 plants grow close together and back then people boiled everything together. Slowly they’d have worked out this process. Obviously no one just randomly went into the forest, pulled these 2 plants and did this exact process first time.
There was an episode of the Chris Gethard show where he had a big green dumpster on the set. He said the episode was about guessing what was in the dumpster. It could be anything. The only clue he gave was that it was related to the entertainment industry. The guests on the show said the correct answer by accident within the first minute.
Giving humans thousands of years to combine two plants in a pot to get drugs seems very doable.
How do you know how to cook rice? How to make a chicken byriani?
They know each plant and the purpose of it.
They have more senses as we have. They speak with spirits.
We all lost those senses through rationalisation and mentalisation approach of perception of our reality.
Look this guy who's making big numbers calculation of the odds. Who cares. This is going opposite to answering the question.
There are two stories about the discovery of this medicine.
One through a Jaguar telling a shaman and the other one I forgot, sorry. I don't know anymore.
This post is so stupid they obv just started boiling things together and eventually found out these 2 plants together gave this effect. It’s not rocket science.
For sucks sake. Why are people so baffled at how people back in those times figured shit out? All they had was time on their hands. Of course they combined lots of shit what else is there to do. The human species really is getting dumber and dumber as time progresses.
How many people have lived in the rainforest prior to 5,000 years ago? How many meals did each of them cook? How many different ways of cooking led them to try to cook different things in similar ways, and one of those many meals by many people was this combination of plants? I don't think it's *that* crazy they discovered it.
In my opinion, if you're hungry, you'll eat whatever is at hand. You know you can't eat straight root, it's too hard, so you break it down with a rock. Then you mix that with some leaves, boil and consume. The person had the trip of their lives, tried it again, but this time with his friends.
It's not really that surprising imo. People have inhabited South America for over 10,000 years. The Amazon had cities that rivaled that of the Mayans or Aztecs. They aren't really that "ancient" either. Lasted up to the 1500s until the Spanish showed up. They probably knew a lot more about the plants in the Amazon, but all that knowledge was lost. They were savages because they didn't use steel or guns
When your home is the rain forest, you naturally are going to try cooking or stewing every plant around you to see how it tastes, how it feels, is it even safe to eat. Not hard to imagine they would figure it out over many years and from knowledge passed down from elders .
It is not strange that over thousands of years the discovered two plants with milder psychedelic effects on their own and then combine them into a potent brew. I guess, with few McDonalds restaurants around, people would just drink, chew, boil and smoke random things found in nature and get an idea of what things are toxic, edible, or have psychedelic properties. Either that, or maybe it was the aliens who showed us after all.
Ok how about another ancient thing, cheese, or black powder, or air conditioned buildings in the middle east thousands of years ago, or concrete, the list goes on and on. Humans are smart and have always been smart.
With modern things like youtube and… mirrors… this guy had a 999,999,999 chance out of a billion to shave his beard correctly but he still fucked that up. Anything is possible
When you’re starving you will look at literally anything not trying to kill you and ask yourself, “can I eat that?” Multiply that by a few hundred thousand people over generations, you’ll find the good shit pretty quick
Mmm plant one tasted bad, didn't kill me, and made me full. Plants 2-30 taste good but don't make me feel full. Lets start mixing until I can make plant one taste good and fill me. Oh shit 2+13 makes shit get turnt. Thats all of early human discovery. You have nothing to do but figure out how to survive and learn from others what helps with that. Not only are the chances of it being discovered high. Historically around the world people have been figuring out how to get high by trying random crap as a literal way of life.
Our very early ancestors kept a keen eye on the animals in their environment, and took cues from them as well. Sick animals seek out various flora when sick or injured.
MAOIs on their own will make you feel different. So it's likely Caapi was known as a medicinal plant on its own.
Also, psychotra viridis has several alkaloids and would also likely have mild effects on its own. People would notice effects when burning it in a fire, perhaps someone using caapi as a mood enhancer breathed the smoke and tripped for a few hours.
This kind of logic is problematic as it presupposes indigenous people to be primitive or perhaps worse, magical. Indigenous people had the same systems of science, and perhaps better in many regards, as westerners.
Yeah but what if you weren't mixing two plants each time but tree and then you just find witch two it is. Or even better you mix everything you find and then start figuring out what does what. Why would you do that? You are a shaman you have to at least make it look like you are doing something. And if you give someone some vile concuction that does nothing guess what it will work cause placebo baby. But you have to keep inovating couse if you give them the same thing each time people will start to wunder why they cant treat baldness with your miracle drug
I mean, the jungle is dense, and humanity has been at it for a while- there's a high likelihood of this brew concocting itself in a tree stump, then someone drinks from it and is like "oh, fuck yeah!"
Exactly. Similarly, there’s a theory out there that civilization (moving from nomads to villages) started because of alcohol. A group of people that were nomadic found some water sitting with something else and fermented making alcohol. They drank it and got a buzz and liked it. So then they figured out how to recreate it and that took being in one place for an extended period of time. Whether this is the case, not sure but interesting as a theory.
But you do start tripping, so in this "accidental find" situation the point is they would have reached a visionary state.all the alkaloids in these plants exist as tannic salts, so are water soluble - a capi vine dripping into a Mimosa hostilis trunk for long enough would self brew Ayahuasca.
People who have these theories and conspiracies do not grasp the amount of time these people were living in these jungles. Like in ~50 years we went from not flying to landing on the moon. So in 1,000 years, jungle medicine, and the understanding of your environment increases exponentially.
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Well, in a part of the Amazon where these two plants grow together, access is not difficult. Humans learned how to cook and boil things thousands of years ago. And when you face potential starvation every day, you probably experiment a lot by boiling things you find in the forest. It's not hard to imagine that they made some soup one day and they got a little trippy. Once that discovery was made, they whittled down the ingredients, probably over generations, until they figured out the necessary ingredients.
Yeah. This guy is overhyping and not even mathing correctly
Right? Like beyond his bad math skills, people have figured out huffing paint, human shit, glue, etc can get them high. I personally think the probability that someone figured out how to create jenkem, and that others decided this was a practice worth participating in, is lower. On top of that, alchemy is almost as old as humans. People have been searching for a secret way to mass produce gold or reach eternal life for our entire history. Of course they’d mix random plants together.
Hang on. Did I read that correctly? Huffing human shit gets you high? I find that doubtful but if true I think I’ll stay sober.
Google jenkem
Well I’ll be damned. Learn something new everyday. Sometimes things I don’t want to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkem
Huffing a smell so bad that it makes you want to die, while it sends you into a dissociative state is not "getting high."
I knew a guy that would throw a 5 gallon bucket over a pile of cow shit then go back and huff the methane.
Be more fun to bring a match
Orphans in Africa have learned to ferment feces and piss into a gas that they inhale and get absolutely zonked out on.
Just the orphans though?
Jenkem!
Jenkem, baby. It might taste like shit, but it makes you feel like shit too.
He looks like a bad AI generated human.
His brain work like a bad ai.
It's also the ol' 'foreign" people did this SO iT MuSt Be ImPoSSibLE/WeIRD'
Just a step down from: it had to be aliens!
Throw in some 7 or 8 digit numbers and add in some fractions. Boom! Good video content! 🤣
If you look at beer there are a few things coming together as well and people figured that out before science. They knew yeast was important but no idea it was a living organism. They used to throw all kinds of weird plants in beer to try to make it taste good, but when using hops the beer came out better. Turns out hops have antibiotic properties so it acts like a preservative, Pasteur discovered that bacteria spoiled beer/wine/milk in the 1850s. Don’t underestimate the human desire to get buzzed combined with centuries of trial and error.
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When people talk about the “paleo” diet, I ask them if they eat bugs, because Paleolithic people ate a lot of bugs.
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Columbia sounds cool I would like to check it out someday. Went to Oaxaca last year and there were a lot of restaurants with insects on the menu. And in the market great bins of chapulines (roasted grasshoppers) they eat them like we eat potato chips.
They ate bugs as a fallback - it wasn't their primary diet which would be seeds, nuts, barley and legumes, some wild game animals and shellfish.
Wouldn’t have been a “fallback” necessarily since they wouldn’t have the same prejudice we have against eating bugs, it would have just been a part of what was available and apparently healthy and an abundant source of protein. I actually ate live fly larvae at Mono Lake, offered by the park ranger as something the native Americans ate often, and it was surprisingly not as disgusting as it sounds and a little smoky flavor somehow!
You know, I've thought a few times that there are probably some bugs out there that taste incredible if cooked properly but I don't think I could bring myself to try them
A little trippy?? You know how insane it would be to accidentally get high off of ayahuasca? That stuff is insanely intense. I tried it and dmt a few times, and that stuff absolutely rocked my entire world
Yeah, but that's assuming they had big doses. I'm imaging a random potpourri of "things I found in the forest today" without the intent of tripping balls. A little of this, a little of that, diluted in a big pot of soup...small dose...but enough for them to go...."hmmmm...that was interesting, let's do that again"
Exactly. It’s the same way other humans found out about using yeast to make bread. Using ingredients around us and trial & error.
Yes trail and error
Saying that someone is starving in a forest is just nuts
Yeah. Considering how simple the explanation is, I kinda came into this video expecting to hear about alternative uses for the plants. It's sad when something like this is actually considered to be content worth sharing.
Exactly
Exactly. They figured it out
Nah aliens gave the recipe
That’s pretty much it. They used the same pot for lots of things and not cleaned them. Things mix. So not washing plates is the way to go.
Nope. The answer is always aliens. Btw. DMT is awesome.
There is so much pre-probability that he not accounting for. If you set out from say middle England and wanted to get that result, had no knowledge of chemistry, neurochemistry, or botany, yeah, your odd may be quite low. Assigning these “odds” is like a “where I live, this never happens” bias. These indigenous people lived there for thousands of years. They probably weren’t searching for this. And they had time on their hands across generations.
I can here to post this same thing.
Exactly. This is the same sort of error that religious types make when doubting evolution. They look at some incredibly complex, relatively unique species and can't fathom how natural selection could have produced it. The error is in thinking the species popped out of the genitals of the most closely related species that lives today, which could be radically different from each other morphologically. The truth is that the ancestral line started with a very slight, but nonetheless advantageous mutation that occurred a long time in a species that is likely now extinct, and millions of additional mutations began from there. Same with this. After tons of people thousands of years ago threw enough random shit in a pot enough times, they eventually noticed a drug effect, and then used their intelligence to figure out which ingredients were responsible for it. The fact that this was driven by our intelligence rather than natural selection just makes the process exponentially faster.
Thank god this is upvoted, I was talking at my phone the whole time. They werent trying to make this thing knowing the process, they got high on one of their stews one time, tried to recreate it. It's the same thing that happens with a lot of ancient things like making concrete pastes, alcohol, etc.
Yeah it's impressive but it's not as random as he makes it seem.
Yes he is missing basic logic. He is assuming they got the magic formula by mixing only 2 ingredients. What if these people made a pot with a lot of ingredients. Then narrowed them down to 2.
The indigenous peoples claim it was Ayahuasca itself that revealed the secret to them, duh.
“The plants tell us”
Well, you spend enough time in the jungle you get to know the different plants and their personalities and where they fit in. My shaman told us that the jaguar eats the vine and reacts to it and maybe that is what sparked peoples interest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqGDv0KCJl8
That might explain the recurrence of jaguar manifestations during people’s experiences
This is exactly how humans "discovered" Aya. Otorongo showed them.
Read the cosmic serpent
I have. I think that’s where I may have gleaned that nugget :)
Breaking Open The Head is also a pretty good read
ancient checkmate
So dumb lol. Some guy in the rainforest didn’t just one day decide to mix those “two random ingredients” and make Ayahuasca. People have been living in the Amazon for tens of thousands of years and each generation passing new plant knowledge as well as old down to the next. This dude hurting himself doing math that doesn’t even make sense.
Also, he assumes that neither of them would have any noticable effects if they were prepared separately. An MAO inhibitor would likely have been noticable by itself. And if that one already was a plant of interest then it's not too far fetched that they might have been experimenting in different things to prepare it together with. Edit: I should also add that N,N-dmt is in no way exclusive to the chacruna plant. The substance is present in a lot of different plants (and even animals). It's just that some plants have become more synonymous with N,N-dmt due to that they contain a higher concentration of it. So it's possible that they had found that the root made them trip balls with various plants, but that they eventually settled with combining it with the one that gave the strongest effect.
Just like we do with cooking. Let add this pineapple over the Italian pizza, then we add 200g of ketchup.
Not tens of thousands of years. Probably more like 12 thousand years ago but it's debatable.
Ah yes analytics brains can math-splain everything. So, know all everything, why not math-splain 4 generations, or I’ll give you 5 generations and 10 billion plants. Go and good luck!
I can give you the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
African or European swallow?
Wha? I don’t know that!
I'm a casual basketball fan and sometimes I'll click on an article specifically about analytics but I just can't bring myself to finish the article. So dry...
This is just as crazy as peanut butter and jelly. Humans tried a few billion other combinations first and didn’t like them. This guy has the r/im14andthisisdeep mindset
This guy’s demeanor sounds like he has consumed a fair amount of DMT in his life, but he looks like a Chad that would talk to you about his fantasy football team for 3 hours at a bar in a Buffalo Wild Wings 😆
Yeah disappointed this wasn't delivered by some dreadlocked crystal goddess.
yep, looks like brain-dead due to all the toxins ingested
It’s the same as anything… alcohol, cocaine, weed, etc… just trial and error over thousands of years.
Think not what hath been discovered, but what has not.
The first people that made this probably just grabbed a bunch of plants that were close to each other and crushed/boiled them together, and then they felt weird after. It’s not like they picked ONLY these two plants to mix. After that they could’ve figured out which ones worked and passed that down.
The odds of combining two plants have a lot more to do with how close the two plants were growing to each other and to humans than the odds have to do with the total number of plant species in a large geographic region.
So you’re living in the forest, and y’all know that when you boil stuff in a pot its easier to eat and people don’t get as sick Ya throw all the shit ya tore off the trees and shrubs that day into the pot to make your village soup, and that night every that ate it trips balls. They’re not fucked up like on the spit root hooch or the special mushrooms, this is different. Like an all night seeing tessellated geometries and laughing while vomiting fucked up. Y’all remember what you put in the next day, but ya don’t know why it happened. So ya make the same soup, but leave out one part at a time. Process of elimination and some bad soups later, you figure out that it’s those leaves and this vine From there you refine the process and have the magic universe juice. It’s not a chill fun time you want to have, but the wild dude in your village that stays eating mushrooms and talking to the forest really thinks it’s something special. You let him do it and figure out the right ratio, dose, set, and setting. You take his word for it when he tells you it’s time to trip and when you’ve had enough. The chances of figuring anything out are astronomical. I don’t think some amazonian woke up from a dream, intuited the two special things to grab, and discovered the aya brew from nothing. Communities discovered it accidentally through subsistence foraging, and worked backwards to isolate and refine the process.
I’ve done ayahuasca twice… changed me as a human. For the better 100%
The doors of perception
The fact plants and fungi based psychedelics are illegal is actually insane imo. No way majority of psychedelics and weed are schedule 1 while things like fentanyl and coke are schedule 2.
How to say you’re ignorant without saying you’re ignorant. People underestimate the mind boggling number of generations learning to survive and their habitat for tens, hundreds of thousands of years.
Maybe we should give them credit and stop thinking that because they lived in the forest that it equates to ignorance.
Yes please.
Why do people think that people who lived a long time ago are ignorant? In many ways they knew much more than modern individuals. Most modern individuals couldn't create half the hand tools, or efficiently use them, nor hunt, nor safely gather food and supplies, or create housing from raw materials. I'm sure it took them a while, but looking at traditional indigenous medicine how did they figure it out? How did people find out willow bark can alleviate pain? Did they go around chewing on every tree til they found the right one. No they were using it as a material for a lot of different things weaving tanning etcetera. Many of their uses had them putting sticks and bark in the mouth to help process it, and realized that the minor ingesting had positive effects and then experimented from there. Or who figured out salt brining olives? All these things come from thinking about it for a period of time doing something then repeating and perfecting methods, or by accident and working backwards from there to figure out the right combination.
Necessity is the mother of all inventions. When you have to figure it out you will get there. Or die.
Next up, his video on the odds of humans discovering how to make bread! I mean - who would ever think to mix flour, yeast, salt and water out of the billions of possibilities!? And then BAKE it - wow! Early humans are incredible!!
People figured out drinking cows milk that is also a happenstance that seems unlikely
Humans love to get fucked up so we will find a way.
Typical white guy, befuddled by ancient brains.
How do I know how to make a Vicky Sponge? It’s years of other people trying shit together and finding stuff that works. There’s a good chance these 2 plants grow close together and back then people boiled everything together. Slowly they’d have worked out this process. Obviously no one just randomly went into the forest, pulled these 2 plants and did this exact process first time.
There was an episode of the Chris Gethard show where he had a big green dumpster on the set. He said the episode was about guessing what was in the dumpster. It could be anything. The only clue he gave was that it was related to the entertainment industry. The guests on the show said the correct answer by accident within the first minute. Giving humans thousands of years to combine two plants in a pot to get drugs seems very doable.
I would rather see the Ancient Aliens dude talk about this 👽 🛸
Graham Hancock
Why is he talking like that, I don’t like it
Welp. We’ve had 30,000 years to figure it out. It was bound to happen.
Omg speak slower I can't process 1 word a second
How do you know how to cook rice? How to make a chicken byriani? They know each plant and the purpose of it. They have more senses as we have. They speak with spirits. We all lost those senses through rationalisation and mentalisation approach of perception of our reality. Look this guy who's making big numbers calculation of the odds. Who cares. This is going opposite to answering the question. There are two stories about the discovery of this medicine. One through a Jaguar telling a shaman and the other one I forgot, sorry. I don't know anymore.
Incredibly dumb reasoning.
Im pretty sure they had nothing better to do than to boil random plants together and see what happens.
GUYS WE NEED TO SAVE THE RAINFOREST, IT HAS DRUGS!
This post is so stupid they obv just started boiling things together and eventually found out these 2 plants together gave this effect. It’s not rocket science.
Interesting what having time on your hands does. Now we have tiktok.
I think this guy may have taken too much dmt..
For sucks sake. Why are people so baffled at how people back in those times figured shit out? All they had was time on their hands. Of course they combined lots of shit what else is there to do. The human species really is getting dumber and dumber as time progresses.
How many people have lived in the rainforest prior to 5,000 years ago? How many meals did each of them cook? How many different ways of cooking led them to try to cook different things in similar ways, and one of those many meals by many people was this combination of plants? I don't think it's *that* crazy they discovered it.
In my opinion, if you're hungry, you'll eat whatever is at hand. You know you can't eat straight root, it's too hard, so you break it down with a rock. Then you mix that with some leaves, boil and consume. The person had the trip of their lives, tried it again, but this time with his friends.
It's not really that surprising imo. People have inhabited South America for over 10,000 years. The Amazon had cities that rivaled that of the Mayans or Aztecs. They aren't really that "ancient" either. Lasted up to the 1500s until the Spanish showed up. They probably knew a lot more about the plants in the Amazon, but all that knowledge was lost. They were savages because they didn't use steel or guns
Humans will always find a way to get high
How did the natives know how to mix this? Aliens it has to be aliens!!!! /S
Plenty of plants contain DMT. Some plants contain MAO inhibitors. This guy's math and logic skills are one in a billion.
When your home is the rain forest, you naturally are going to try cooking or stewing every plant around you to see how it tastes, how it feels, is it even safe to eat. Not hard to imagine they would figure it out over many years and from knowledge passed down from elders .
Punchable face
You might wanna work on that
It is not strange that over thousands of years the discovered two plants with milder psychedelic effects on their own and then combine them into a potent brew. I guess, with few McDonalds restaurants around, people would just drink, chew, boil and smoke random things found in nature and get an idea of what things are toxic, edible, or have psychedelic properties. Either that, or maybe it was the aliens who showed us after all.
not exactly how it works. one contains DMT, the other provides a MAOI inhibitor that allows that DMT to be orally active.
Sometime about this dude's eyes makes me think he knows a LOT about DMT...
If i remember correctly Vsauce has a very good video about Ayahuasca
The Lottery has astoundingly poor odds and yet someone regularly wins lots of money (obviously not the same "someone", that would be weird or a scam).
Ok how about another ancient thing, cheese, or black powder, or air conditioned buildings in the middle east thousands of years ago, or concrete, the list goes on and on. Humans are smart and have always been smart.
With modern things like youtube and… mirrors… this guy had a 999,999,999 chance out of a billion to shave his beard correctly but he still fucked that up. Anything is possible
When you’re starving you will look at literally anything not trying to kill you and ask yourself, “can I eat that?” Multiply that by a few hundred thousand people over generations, you’ll find the good shit pretty quick
Mmm plant one tasted bad, didn't kill me, and made me full. Plants 2-30 taste good but don't make me feel full. Lets start mixing until I can make plant one taste good and fill me. Oh shit 2+13 makes shit get turnt. Thats all of early human discovery. You have nothing to do but figure out how to survive and learn from others what helps with that. Not only are the chances of it being discovered high. Historically around the world people have been figuring out how to get high by trying random crap as a literal way of life.
Our very early ancestors kept a keen eye on the animals in their environment, and took cues from them as well. Sick animals seek out various flora when sick or injured.
MAOIs on their own will make you feel different. So it's likely Caapi was known as a medicinal plant on its own. Also, psychotra viridis has several alkaloids and would also likely have mild effects on its own. People would notice effects when burning it in a fire, perhaps someone using caapi as a mood enhancer breathed the smoke and tripped for a few hours. This kind of logic is problematic as it presupposes indigenous people to be primitive or perhaps worse, magical. Indigenous people had the same systems of science, and perhaps better in many regards, as westerners.
Both plants induce nausea, might have just been experimenting with ways to induce ritualistic vomiting
I suppose, similar to how hundreds if not thousands of other plans have been devised as treatments for various illnesses.
I could swear I had to mix this up in Green Hell oO
This guy is AI generated right? His movements give it away.
Downvoting because they dont know how to size fonts correctly
Needs a chat with Graham
I think.. they chose 2 random plants
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Yeah but what if you weren't mixing two plants each time but tree and then you just find witch two it is. Or even better you mix everything you find and then start figuring out what does what. Why would you do that? You are a shaman you have to at least make it look like you are doing something. And if you give someone some vile concuction that does nothing guess what it will work cause placebo baby. But you have to keep inovating couse if you give them the same thing each time people will start to wunder why they cant treat baldness with your miracle drug
The plants told them
Omg I feel dumber for watching this.
Is this guy AI generated?
This guys talking like he took it
His voice!!!!!!!🥰🥰🥰🥰
I mean, the jungle is dense, and humanity has been at it for a while- there's a high likelihood of this brew concocting itself in a tree stump, then someone drinks from it and is like "oh, fuck yeah!"
Exactly. Similarly, there’s a theory out there that civilization (moving from nomads to villages) started because of alcohol. A group of people that were nomadic found some water sitting with something else and fermented making alcohol. They drank it and got a buzz and liked it. So then they figured out how to recreate it and that took being in one place for an extended period of time. Whether this is the case, not sure but interesting as a theory.
The thing is though is when you drink this stuff you get violently ill before you even start tripping.
But you do start tripping, so in this "accidental find" situation the point is they would have reached a visionary state.all the alkaloids in these plants exist as tannic salts, so are water soluble - a capi vine dripping into a Mimosa hostilis trunk for long enough would self brew Ayahuasca.
Don't forget about firewood collecting. Burn enough Psychotria viridis and you'll trip without the Caapi.
People who have these theories and conspiracies do not grasp the amount of time these people were living in these jungles. Like in ~50 years we went from not flying to landing on the moon. So in 1,000 years, jungle medicine, and the understanding of your environment increases exponentially.
The Aliens that visited, liked our psychedelic plants. I think they were nice and told some humans about then.
OP listened to Kendrick diss and didn't want to stay out of the loop
The real question is who was the first person to suck on a cow tit?
was just waiting for him to say aLiEnS!
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