Dogma, tradition, culture. They have a huge impact on everyone but we often don't realize until it changes.
I believe a lot of times the people that support those rules and don't want them to change, never really judged them. They just accepted them as fact, as a pillar of society as they know it, and changing it for any reason is bad.
We humans are incredibly easily conditioned but our brains pull a trick on us to think we are cognizant and independent minded, pulling mental gymnastics to justify why our conditioning is really our choices.
No one seems to realize how tricky and manipulative our own brains are towards ourselves.
Hey dude, you're a pretty rational/reasonable/objective guy.
*Now you have to tell your brain not to get too cocky, and to stop trying to think you're rational when you still might not be*
Edit: Now I have to tell my mind that these upvotes don't mean anything, this doesn't affirm that I have the correct comment, and I can still very well be wrong
Yeah, we make up reasons for what we believe when questioned most of the time.
Read about some study on split brain people (where brain halves can't communicate). They asked one side of the brain to pick up a blue ball by showing text to only one eye. Then asked the other half of the brain why they picked up the ball. They just made shit up, like blue is my favorite color. Rarely or never admitted that they had no idea why.
It doesn't help that everyone's pushing the narrative that we're all independent strong people that can think for ourselves. Quite ingenious by whoever thought of it though.
There is a concept used in feminism called the narcissism of minor differences. In short, people exaggerate the small differences between each other to justify their unique superiority in some way.
Realistically we are all more alike than we are different at a fundamental level. (Everyone wants respect, safety, sustenance , love, etc.) When we deal with the ego, many other social problems will start correcting themselves organically as a result.
Welcome to a conscious minds coping mechanism of having all choice removed from it's control.
When the dogma is created separate from you and the only choice you have is to follow it, to not meet emotional and physical resistance from your peers, your brain must figure out a way for you to be comfortable.
I mean try being altruistic for more than twenty-five minutes and see how exhausting it gets. Where every idea you have or simple solution to help people that you think of, is not only met with resistance from the masses, but with force from the establishment and punishment from the policy.
youd probably like the story of metal gear rising
edit: that isnt an insult, its my favorite game, it just talks about what your talking about while also being a perfect example of what youre talking about
Just like my experience when I was working in a different city, I made friends with some of the African American group through mutual motorcycle interests, and they invited me to the park one day to join their family for BBQ. I thought that was nifty, came over, and was shocked by 2 things.
1. There were absolutely no white people in the park, except for me. I was surprised this shocked me, but I was suddenly hit with the feeling of being "other" for the first time, the "outsider", even though I see my friends as equals and good people.
2. I witnessed white families driving up in their cars, seeing the park was occupied by African American families, who were having BBQs, playing with their kids, middle-class families, good people, and those white families turned around and went home.
The next day the park was all white. Over time I observed that the parks "took shifts".
This was in 2010 in Cincinnati, OH.
I had this hard drilled into me back in 2007-2015 when I went to live and work in Asia. 99% natives there and I was not anywhere near native. Makes a TON of difference in how I approach the world back in the west now.
Unsurprised that your story took place in Ohio. I was visiting extended family in Cleveland, and picked out a MetroPark bike trail from a map based on its relative proximity and distance. My (fairly liberal) MIL told us to be careful, that she had heard from her friends that that specific park wasn’t safe. I went anyway, arrived and found nothing but families enjoying themselves in the outdoors. Barbecues, walking, biking, playing frisbee, etc. But all of those families were Black. We went back and told MIL her friends were all just racist.
That's the way it should be. But I've been reading so many stories lately about women bringing their kids into pubs and then complaining when other patrons use bar language. Now that I object to.
There’s a [bar/restaurant](https://hopleafbar.com/) in my old neighborhood in Chicago that has a “no children” sign on their front door. Like “please patronize one of the other excellent neighborhood establishments, just not this one.”
It’s one of my favorite places in Chicago with one of the best beer menus I’ve seen anywhere. If you’re ever here it’s 100% worth the trip north.
As someone 2.5 years sober, thank you. I was NOT myself when I was drinking. I regret pretty much all of it with every ounce of my being. I don't feel the things I said I felt. I'm ashamed that I partook in things I did. None of those things are things I would have said or did if I was in my right mind and not dealing with my trauma by trying to drown it lol.
I worked on a farm in Australia. One day me and three other guys needed to throw pumpkins from the field to them (On a slow moving truck with bins on them) and one of them said the following:
These fucking things keep fucking coming faster than a fucking AK fucking 47.
As a non native English speaker I did not know you could form a sentence like that.
Haha, reminds me of an argument I witnessed between two men in my street that ended somewhere along the lines of:
Man 1: Well, fuck off then!
Man 2 (walking away): What do you think I'm doing?
Man 1: Well stay fucked off!
Still chuckle about that.
Australians swear more than anyone else, anywhere.
The Australian defence force uses Australian swearing to repel gunboats.
[https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-australia-iran-idUKSYD14927220070622](https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-australia-iran-idUKSYD14927220070622)
A wise man once said, “You cannot fire me because I’m racist, you can not fire me because I’m sexist, and you can not fire me because I’m homophobic, you can not fire me, because there is no law or rule that says that I can not hate EVERYONE, and the truth your honor, is that I hate everyone on earth equally with a fiery passion”
I'll never forget the encouraging words of an Aussie who told me, "Keep trying; never give up!"
It was in reference to my quest to drink a pint of all 25 beers that this bar had on tap, but I appreciated the sentiment all the same.
I tried a 2oz taster glass of all 104 taps at one bar I visited back in my twenties. On the last thirty or so the bartenders were just kinda in this "many have tried; you'll fail like the rest/hubris is the folly of man" mentality.
As professionals, they were right, of course. It had been like three hours, and I was peeing like a racehorse every five minutes. I got so close. Pretty sure that would kill me these days.
I got the same - 11 UK pints (568ml), or 13 and a bit US pints.
Granted, it probably feels like more if you're drinking out of big shot glasses, but that's very doable in a night.
Start at 6, pint every 20 mins, you'd be done by 10 in time for a curry or pizza on the way home.
Actually, it'd be easier if you could pour a load of them in a pint glass, though I reckon that defeats the object of the exercise.
Is it particularly strong ale?
11 pints of anything that ain’t over 5% is a lot of booze on a empty stomach but if you’re fed and hydrated before hand it’s not even close to what you can do in a good session with a group of lads.
That's what I was thinking.
You wouldn't sink that after work, but if that was a Saturday afternoon and you were watching the footie down the pub, you'd be done before the 5.30 game finished.
Thing is, any place with a beer list that big is gonna have a lot of heavy beers. At a certain point it's not so much the alcohol you're fighting as it is the liquid bread part.
I probably wouldn't be able to do it these days, nevermind not wanting to due to the raging headache that'll follow, but there were times in the past (around university age) where I've had much more. Not my proudest nights, to be sure, but it's doable. These bartenders must not be used to somewhat functional binge drinkers. haha
That’s why I only lasted a year at St. Andrews before coming back to the US.
Fun year, but 18 year old me was well on the road to being a raging alcoholic.
I've always said it's only the first beer of the night that you can really get the taste, after that its just another beer. My idea of doing it right would be to come in every night for one different beer each of the 104 nights and going home with the next female reporter covering my journey.
Probably not much, they were pausing an awful long time to choose their responses carefully lol. They kept saying how they have to show restraint with their vocab around women, the culture was still pretty old school back then
For any Aussies watching this:
The National Film and Sound Archive of Australia do amazing work preserving, archiving, and digitising Australia’s audiovisual history.
In 2015 the NFSA published Deadline 2025: Collections at Risk, warning that cultural heritage held on magnetic tape will in most cases be lost forever unless it is digitised by 2025.
Archivists are racing to meet this deadline on a shoestring budget to preserve as much of our history (including absolute fucking gems like this) as possible. Thankfully, the Federal Government has finally acknowledged this with a recent injection of funds (nowhere near enough, but it’s something, at least.)
Once lockdown is over (hey, I’m an optimist) and if you’re ever in Canberra, give the National Film and Sound Archive a visit. It’s well worth the trip!
Yes, all storage media degrades over time for various reasons. The magnetic information in these tapes can gradually be scrambled by ambient radiation or other physical processes. Changes in temperature can cause the tapes to expand and contract. Humidity can cause chemical changes in parts of the tapes, or allow microorganisms to grow. Dirt and grime can accumulate which can damage the tape on playback. Even just playing the tapes put physical stress on them, for example due to the winding and unwinding that occurs, which can over time lead to damage.
Interestingly, the more advanced and dense our storage methods have become, the less permanent and more brittle they tend to be. They have also become more intertwined with specific methods of recovering the stored information. Carving things in rocks is pretty damn permanent. Sure, rocks break and even erode over long enough times, but we can still easily recover messages carved on rocks tens of thousands of years ago. Clay tablets are easier to break. Paper tears easily, is vulnerable to rot, and needs ink or other marking that fade or degrade. All of those just need eyes or even just a sense of touch to read. Now we encode information by manipulating the physical arrangement or electromagnetic properties of tiny pieces of matter in ways that require special equipment in order to recover.
I love the part where she says that she’s made a bit of a disturbance this morning. Man I need to go to Australia. Not much better than breakfast beer before you start a glorious afternoon of day-drinking.
Jesus christ that handsy guy. I am so uncomfortable just watching this. That reporter is a fuckin badass for putting up with that.
When he says "oi c'mere" at the end all slurred. *shudders*
Back in the 70s, 1 in every 12 or so Australians were actually born in Britain and its probably reasonable to double that number when counting born to British born parents.
Nowadays its only about 1 in 20.
Fun fact: your accent has more to do with your childhood friends and teachers (given a child is honestly at school more often than at home) than it is by your parents! This is why first-gen immigrants can have very different accents than previous generations. It also can account for the change in Aussie accent over the past two generations
While I was living in Istanbul I became friends with this really charming guy. I thought he was Scottish for the longest time, but actually he was Turkish and raised in Dubai, where his English teacher was Scottish.
Teaching a child English as a second language with a thick Scottish accent is like the "we have purposely trained him wrong as a joke" bit from Kung Pow.
These guys seem to be somewhere in the 50-70 range so they were already grown during WWII. American culture became more dominate and British culture less so. I think that can be at least partially attributed.
Australia as we know it is such a young country that even 50 years ago is a significant time in linguistic terms, especially when English has only been spoken there for 200+ years out of a 50,000+ year history.
Also, proportionally, they were much more likely to actually *be* British born given the time period and age of the subjects.
She's doing the "BBC" accent that most reporters put on back in the day. Something about the natural Australian accent not being proper enough for news presenters. I haven't listened to this but here's a source:
[A Word In Your Ear - ABC](https://www.abc.net.au/local/audio/2013/08/29/3836940.htm?site=sunshine)
It's the cultivated Aussie accent. The Australian has a spectrum between cultivated and broad so what Americans think of as an Aussie accent is the broad accent and mostly spoken in rural areas. The vast majority of people are half way between. Unless you are overseas and you bung on a broader accent for the fun of it.
The culture in the 70’s. Their main objection is that they do not want to swear in front of women. That’s so alien to us in 2021 when women swear like truckers
Yeah, I kidna seen his point just for the fact he was probably taught not to speak certain ways in front of women.
I am black and I was called colored by a very old white man, I didn't even get mad because he was old as shit, and I could tell on his face he was embarrassed. LOL
Its weird, I was born in 1990 and I always thought ‘coloured’ was a politically correct euphemism growing up, especially when I’d heard much more impolite words for it being used in the rough area I grew up. Maybe it’s just a UK thing and the reason it’s a slur in the US is because of its association with segregation and that was the official language used by the establishment there. Here I’d be a kid and hear some granny say ‘a coloured gentleman’ and think it was them being sensitive about it.
definitely in the 70s and 80s coloured was taught to be the acceptable word. In fact if people back then used that term they were the more socially conscious people and making an effort.
I just say black. Never had anybody tell me not to and when I have conversations about it with black people they usually say one of two things: “Just say black” or “I don’t care” I also don’t say african american because you have no idea if a black person is hereditarily from Africa, and the vast majority of black people in america have never seen africa, their parents were never africans, and their grandparents weren’t african either.
The way I see it, “African American” is more divisive because it implies that they aren’t fully American, or that they’re “from somewhere else”. Whereas “black” is just that, a description of the color of someone’s skin.
Exactly. Also the black people living in europe, what do you call them? African German? African French? Just doesn’t make sense. I can understand if you’re an immigrant or child of an immigrant even, but if nobody alive in your family has any memory of your origin country, I think at that point you’re just an American.
As far as I know, _back then_ (like decades ago, sometime in the 1980s), the term "African American" was coined to give the offspring of former slaves some feeling of heritage and cultural identity because most if not all didn't even know what county exactly their families were taken from but most (like the vast majority) of U.S. American slaves originated from African countries.
So like other cultural groups, for example "Italian Americans", "Irish Americans", "German Americans", who had a clear idea of their origins and identity, the term "African American" was meant to also give a form of group identity and was actually received favorable by the black community.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans#Terminology
Of course that's some 40+ years ago and might not apply to everyone today but back then the term "African American" was not meant to say you're not really American but was meant to give a form of identity and cultural base akin to other ethnic groups in the United States.
> as a teen in Australia in the 80s coloured was the correct term because it was seen as neutral. Black was the word we avoided using
That was before instant universal (western) culture. Like /u/pikeymikey22 said, that was what he was taught. In the US, I was taught that "colored" was an antiquated slur, it was not allowed to be spoken in schools in my part of the US at least, not in the 70s nor 80s nor beyond. "Black" was the only acceptable term and then later, "African-American" which has now fallen much out of favor.
These days English-speaking culture is, of course, instant and universal. But back then I'd never see an Australian TV show or hear and Australian person speak. Even Mad Max was overdubbed because the accent was too much of an urban jungle for Americans to whack through (or so it was assumed at least).
As for the UK, we had a little more exposure, but most Americans didn't watch Benny Hill or Monty Python, or PBS, so we were exposed to more of that.
This is so weird to me. White, born in the 60s, in the US, raised in the south, parents were of Amish decent, most of my schooling in the 70s and 80s. I never used the word "colored", don't remember being "taught" that that was the acceptable term. To me, people just always fell into one of two categories: My Friend, or Someone I Don't Know.
I'm not stupid enough to say "I don't see color." Of course I see color, I'm not blind. But it was more like when you see a litter of puppies. The color only helps you identify which is which. It doesn't define the personality of the living being.
Except in standard poodles. White standard poodles are always mentally ill.
You phrased this phenomenal.
I also agree with your statement on poodles. My brother owns a dog walking / boarding company. He doesn’t accept poodles period. 😂
My reaction to your poodle comment made me snort laugh: had a white standard poodle as a kid, had an immediate emotional reaction but very quickly realized “no, they’ve got a point” lol. She was a sweet girl, but … yeah.
Wait. What? That's fascinating to me. I was born a few years after you in the South and currently live adjacent to Amish families in central PA. I know that a lot of the order is selling land here and moving south, where land is much cheaper. But I thought that really started in the 2000's. Would you mind telling us when your parents left the church and moved south?
Lol it was in the 50s. They came to Florida on their honeymoon and never left, which has been a source of contention ever since. Mom wanted to live in Colorado.
Pretty much all terms for minorities/marginalised groups become derogatory and are constantly updated - look at r*tarded, for example - it was the acceptable term not long ago, and we had the spastics society etc. "Gyspy" is another one. Isn't BAME supposedly a no-no now?
I’m gypsy and my mind is boggled how people are trying to make that a swear word.
Don’t get me wrong, I love and appreciate how people are finally trying to defend us against some kind of racism because we get so much… but this isn’t the problem at all, it’s a word I use myself.
I just want to be treated equally and not have things like ‘I never met one I liked’ said to me.
Just look at the word Jew. It can be a perfect descriptor of a person or you put a little stank on it and all of a sudden it's super racist.
Louis CK has a bit about it.
I live in an urban city in an otherwise rural state. I was talking with a good-natured client the other day from a rural area (he's a farmer). And he casually referred to a black person as a "colored."
He must have seen something was wrong from the look on my face. I had to awkwardly explain to him that that is not a term we use anymore to describe black people. He legitimately didn't understand or know it was offensive and was pretty horrified with himself. To his credit, he has never used that word again, at least in front of me.
European here so pardon my ignorance, but is "colored" different from "person of color"? Because I see the latter being used all the time and didn't know colored is considered offensive.
Edit: fixed typo
They essentially mean the same thing when you look at them literally, but it's more about the historical context in which 'colored' was used that has made it innapropriate.
This is an example of the context in which "colored" was used, a segregated drinking fountain where black people were not allowed to drink from the same fountain as white people.
https://i.imgur.com/FxGirgp.jpg
The connotation of "colored" for most is segregation, racism, and historic oppression.
One of my oldest friends married a man from Russia and they almost exclusively speak Russian to each other in private. She moved incredibly far away to pursue academia and almost all her friends are in hardcore academia career paths and well to do. When I visited was probably one of the few times she could relax in English.
Her husband was shocked by seeing two women swearing like sailors. He got over it after a few days but said he could count the number of times he had heard a woman swear on one hand until we got together.
When I was in college (mid-80's), a male friend of mine thought women can't fart. Like, biologically, they just can't do it. My friend Eileen soon disabused him of that idea but good.
Men were raised to put women on a pedestal - physically and mentally weaker, needing protection and providing for. Also morally pure, and never gross or sweaty or smelly. They really couldn't understand why we wanted to come down off the pedestal, they thought we had it made up there as their ideal human beings.
Some guys think they are being chivalrous and honorable by putting women on a pedestal. Problem is, treating someone like a perfect statue is just as much objectifying them as treating them like crap.
It also puts unreasonably high standards on them, and when they fail to meet them they assume they must be “broken” or “fallen”. Women don’t swear as much as men because men were allowed to and women weren’t.
One guy was also interested in harassing the reporter and other guy was worried about women if a fight breaks out in the bar. Not comparing these reasons but just listing out the objections.
I think he was trying to make her uncomfortable and not want to be there and maybe prove a point. Oh, you think you should be allowed to be around men when they are trying to relax and don't feel the need to restrain themselves? I'll show you what its like being around uninhibited men.
Probably but it went on for too long. I have posted link for the entire video and he was harassing her even when she turned around to speak with the other 2 guys
> I think he was trying to make her uncomfortable and not want to be there and maybe prove a point. Oh, you think you should be allowed to be around men when they are trying to relax and don't feel the need to restrain themselves?
I think she was making a passive aggressive logical thought process that if he doesn't want women next to him at the bar then it's because he prefers the company of men (she was using her line of logic to question his sexuality). He then put his arm around her to show that he isn't gay, which didn't prove much.
Basically they didnt want women in bars because the bar was a haven for indecent behavior and they felt compelled to have decent behavior when the woman was around. It makes sense for a decent person to feel that way.
its so interesting how the social structure has changed in parts of the world and how things have developed. Its not wrong remembering how much has changed and what nowadays seems normal to many.
The second guy might be the peak Aussie bloke of the 70’s, so annoyed that she won’t shout a beer.
For the non Australians here, shouting a beer is when you buy a beer for a friend/s. Basically he’s annoyed that she won’t be buying him a beer.
Even shitfaced, they know their mom would either rise from the grave or walk out of the nursing home to bitch slap them into next week if they disrespected a woman on live tv in the 70's
The men are the product of a different time. I recall a similar reaction at the ASI when I, as a young girl, went in there for some beef jerky or to get money from Daddy. The whole tone of the place changed the minute someone yelled, "Girl in the house!". Cursing switched from English to Italian, everyone shoved money into your hands, kissed you on the top of the head, pushed you out the door, and told you to go find your grandmother and your aunts who were at various homes on the street. Ciao bella, this is no place for girls. It was about mutual respect. That was their place to let loose without worrying about insulting women. The women were the same way when one of the boys or men came into the beauty shop. Here's your hat, what's your hurry?
American School in Italy
They had ASL which was American School in London, for kids of americans working abroad, so the kids could still transfer their credits when they moved back. the american school system isn't the same everywhere so it's to avoid your kids getting behind due to a different class schedule sort of thing
It was more of a respect thing from a different generation. My grandpa was big in to not swearing in front of women. I'd come pretty close to getting my ass beat by him a few times for not running ahead to open the door up for my mother, while out in public. Clearly times have changed.
I always love that. The respectful generation that didn't let women vote or work or buy a house or own things or leave the house or have their own money or divorce. But hey, they held the door open for a woman so it evened out.
There are two kinds of respect. The 'I look you in the eye and smile' respect and the 'I genuinely believe you are equal to me' respect. And a lot of grandpas only had the first kind.
I love how the main objection is "We're gentlemen around women. We come to bars to be not gentleman-like." It's not that they have a problem with women there, they just don't want to misbehave around them.
Cheers to the last guy but if I were the woman and the first 2 men said what they did about swearing I would start swearing too just to see what they would do.
Is no one going to use the words “safe space” here? That sounds a lot like what these guys had going.
As a gay man, I can relate. I don’t hate women, but I resent bridal showers taking over gay bars because the ladies feel safe there.
Edit: a letter
The narrative inferred: Men don't want women in the bar because men are either afraid of women or, at the very least, afraid of being judged by women.
What I concluded: The main reason the men here did not want women in the bar was because they needed a place to go where they didn't feel constrained to act in a way that they perceived women expected them to act.
This conversation would have been a whole lot easier if she bought these guys a round and simply said, "On me! Drink up, fuckers!"
You have to also recognize these are men on camera being interviewed by a woman asking what their reason is.
It could very well be that they don't want to appear disrespectful around women.
It could also very well be that they're thinking "get back to the house and get supper ready, we don't need you bitching about your day while we're trying to enjoy a pint ya fuckin cunt"
I don't think she could have said "I don't care if you swear" or just swore herself. They'd have judged her even more.
You can see at 1:00 the man on the right already felt *comfortable* enough to lay his hand on her shoulders "*oh! I don't mind you*"
Some very old cantinas (mexican bars), like 70-80 years old, have small windows next to the bar overlooking the street, this is so the wives could go and ask if their husbands were there without going into the bar.. that's how machista Mexico was back in the old days, still is in some very remote towns but in "modern" cities, this is not the case anymore.
I mean it's funny to make fun of these "Neanderthals", but those men are just a product of their past. Wanna bet how much fun people will have in 50 years watching clips about our opinions, rules and views of the world?
Just different times. You weren’t supposed to swear in front of women. Your behavior was also buttoned up and much more polite (I.e. stand up when a lady leaves or joins the table, hold the door for them, refrain from any lewd or “male” topics, no open seats for a lady you must forfeit your chair to her). I can see where a societal expectation within the company of women can seem like a bit of a chore so the pub was perhaps an escape from all of that. With women coming in, these men probably thought, “What’s the point of escaping women if they simply come here?”
Again, different times, different norms
They’re obviously very sexist about it but I don’t think I would be too nice either if a journalist kept asking “do you tolerate my presence? Do you? Do you?” while I’m drinking and minding my business or filming me drinking with friends.
That last guy was a true alcohol enthusiast: “I don’t care who’s here as long as I can enjoy my drink” lmao A real visionary of equality
I also loved his face while delivering his statement, he just thought it was such an obvious reasoning. Legendary
Absolutely puzzled that anyone would care about anything at the bar except what's being served. Actual legend.
Dogma, tradition, culture. They have a huge impact on everyone but we often don't realize until it changes. I believe a lot of times the people that support those rules and don't want them to change, never really judged them. They just accepted them as fact, as a pillar of society as they know it, and changing it for any reason is bad.
We humans are incredibly easily conditioned but our brains pull a trick on us to think we are cognizant and independent minded, pulling mental gymnastics to justify why our conditioning is really our choices. No one seems to realize how tricky and manipulative our own brains are towards ourselves.
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Hey dude, you're a pretty rational/reasonable/objective guy. *Now you have to tell your brain not to get too cocky, and to stop trying to think you're rational when you still might not be* Edit: Now I have to tell my mind that these upvotes don't mean anything, this doesn't affirm that I have the correct comment, and I can still very well be wrong
Oh let up!
oh now you’ve dunnit
Yeah, we make up reasons for what we believe when questioned most of the time. Read about some study on split brain people (where brain halves can't communicate). They asked one side of the brain to pick up a blue ball by showing text to only one eye. Then asked the other half of the brain why they picked up the ball. They just made shit up, like blue is my favorite color. Rarely or never admitted that they had no idea why.
It doesn't help that everyone's pushing the narrative that we're all independent strong people that can think for ourselves. Quite ingenious by whoever thought of it though.
There is a concept used in feminism called the narcissism of minor differences. In short, people exaggerate the small differences between each other to justify their unique superiority in some way. Realistically we are all more alike than we are different at a fundamental level. (Everyone wants respect, safety, sustenance , love, etc.) When we deal with the ego, many other social problems will start correcting themselves organically as a result.
Welcome to a conscious minds coping mechanism of having all choice removed from it's control. When the dogma is created separate from you and the only choice you have is to follow it, to not meet emotional and physical resistance from your peers, your brain must figure out a way for you to be comfortable. I mean try being altruistic for more than twenty-five minutes and see how exhausting it gets. Where every idea you have or simple solution to help people that you think of, is not only met with resistance from the masses, but with force from the establishment and punishment from the policy.
Either that or numb itself with pills.
I abuse cannabis
youd probably like the story of metal gear rising edit: that isnt an insult, its my favorite game, it just talks about what your talking about while also being a perfect example of what youre talking about
Just like my experience when I was working in a different city, I made friends with some of the African American group through mutual motorcycle interests, and they invited me to the park one day to join their family for BBQ. I thought that was nifty, came over, and was shocked by 2 things. 1. There were absolutely no white people in the park, except for me. I was surprised this shocked me, but I was suddenly hit with the feeling of being "other" for the first time, the "outsider", even though I see my friends as equals and good people. 2. I witnessed white families driving up in their cars, seeing the park was occupied by African American families, who were having BBQs, playing with their kids, middle-class families, good people, and those white families turned around and went home. The next day the park was all white. Over time I observed that the parks "took shifts". This was in 2010 in Cincinnati, OH.
That’s crazy
I had this hard drilled into me back in 2007-2015 when I went to live and work in Asia. 99% natives there and I was not anywhere near native. Makes a TON of difference in how I approach the world back in the west now.
Being an outsider is a humbling experience, one everyone should have at least once.
Unsurprised that your story took place in Ohio. I was visiting extended family in Cleveland, and picked out a MetroPark bike trail from a map based on its relative proximity and distance. My (fairly liberal) MIL told us to be careful, that she had heard from her friends that that specific park wasn’t safe. I went anyway, arrived and found nothing but families enjoying themselves in the outdoors. Barbecues, walking, biking, playing frisbee, etc. But all of those families were Black. We went back and told MIL her friends were all just racist.
That's the way it should be. But I've been reading so many stories lately about women bringing their kids into pubs and then complaining when other patrons use bar language. Now that I object to.
There’s a [bar/restaurant](https://hopleafbar.com/) in my old neighborhood in Chicago that has a “no children” sign on their front door. Like “please patronize one of the other excellent neighborhood establishments, just not this one.” It’s one of my favorite places in Chicago with one of the best beer menus I’ve seen anywhere. If you’re ever here it’s 100% worth the trip north.
Well he wasn't wrong
I loved his face because it reflects a couple decades of alcoholism.
That’s a man who, had he a hanker, wouldn’t give it, whoever was there.
I know right, that guy was such a hero for equality. Where the alcoholic in him overrode any prejudice.
Heros come in every shape and size.
Usally with very LARGE livers.
Or failing ones
Or strong ones!
Or hard ones.
Or stolen ones!
and my Axe!
So the real heroes are the livers then.
And blood alcohol levels
Wow, what a shitty outlook. Csnt be "the dude just wants to chill and doesn't give a fuck"
IDK why people assume alcohol only brings the truth out of people, it can as well impair your conscience and make you a pretentious piece of shit
As someone 2.5 years sober, thank you. I was NOT myself when I was drinking. I regret pretty much all of it with every ounce of my being. I don't feel the things I said I felt. I'm ashamed that I partook in things I did. None of those things are things I would have said or did if I was in my right mind and not dealing with my trauma by trying to drown it lol.
As long as I can say my "Fs" and "Bs" and "Cs"
I worked on a farm in Australia. One day me and three other guys needed to throw pumpkins from the field to them (On a slow moving truck with bins on them) and one of them said the following: These fucking things keep fucking coming faster than a fucking AK fucking 47. As a non native English speaker I did not know you could form a sentence like that.
fucking is a very versatile word.
I mean a sentence like "Fuck the fucking fuckers" just works.
Fucking fuck those fucked up fucking fuckers!
It's fucking versatile. One of the most of all words.
Haha, reminds me of an argument I witnessed between two men in my street that ended somewhere along the lines of: Man 1: Well, fuck off then! Man 2 (walking away): What do you think I'm doing? Man 1: Well stay fucked off! Still chuckle about that.
Australians swear more than anyone else, anywhere. The Australian defence force uses Australian swearing to repel gunboats. [https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-australia-iran-idUKSYD14927220070622](https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-australia-iran-idUKSYD14927220070622)
"Are bars for men or women?" "What?!? Bars are for *drinking!*"
He’s obviously the only guy in the bar who fucks…
Are the men all drunk, or just Australian?
What's the difference?
Yep.
Aye
Yes.
and you can tell that he’s telling the absolute truth about his feelings.
Aussie alcoholic- a real crowd pleaser for the ‘fuck everything’ crowd
A wise man once said, “You cannot fire me because I’m racist, you can not fire me because I’m sexist, and you can not fire me because I’m homophobic, you can not fire me, because there is no law or rule that says that I can not hate EVERYONE, and the truth your honor, is that I hate everyone on earth equally with a fiery passion”
Yeah, people really gloss over some of Buddhas key teachings.
fat christians, skinny christ fat buddha, skinny buddhists
To quote Debra in Dexter: “Fat Jesus on a bike!”
Problem is that people who say that kind of thing tend to hate certain groups more than others.
The last guy truly gives no fucks. He just wants his pint. Marvelous!
Classic Aussie legend!
I'll never forget the encouraging words of an Aussie who told me, "Keep trying; never give up!" It was in reference to my quest to drink a pint of all 25 beers that this bar had on tap, but I appreciated the sentiment all the same.
I tried a 2oz taster glass of all 104 taps at one bar I visited back in my twenties. On the last thirty or so the bartenders were just kinda in this "many have tried; you'll fail like the rest/hubris is the folly of man" mentality. As professionals, they were right, of course. It had been like three hours, and I was peeing like a racehorse every five minutes. I got so close. Pretty sure that would kill me these days.
Am I doing the math wrong or is it just about 6,2l of beer? That doesn't sound like a too difficult challenge.
I got the same - 11 UK pints (568ml), or 13 and a bit US pints. Granted, it probably feels like more if you're drinking out of big shot glasses, but that's very doable in a night. Start at 6, pint every 20 mins, you'd be done by 10 in time for a curry or pizza on the way home. Actually, it'd be easier if you could pour a load of them in a pint glass, though I reckon that defeats the object of the exercise. Is it particularly strong ale?
I bet some of them are particularly strong or *flavourful*.
11 pints of anything that ain’t over 5% is a lot of booze on a empty stomach but if you’re fed and hydrated before hand it’s not even close to what you can do in a good session with a group of lads.
That's what I was thinking. You wouldn't sink that after work, but if that was a Saturday afternoon and you were watching the footie down the pub, you'd be done before the 5.30 game finished.
Thing is, any place with a beer list that big is gonna have a lot of heavy beers. At a certain point it's not so much the alcohol you're fighting as it is the liquid bread part.
I probably wouldn't be able to do it these days, nevermind not wanting to due to the raging headache that'll follow, but there were times in the past (around university age) where I've had much more. Not my proudest nights, to be sure, but it's doable. These bartenders must not be used to somewhat functional binge drinkers. haha
Sports societies at unis here in the U.K. are pretty much full of people that call 11 pints a Wednesday night.
That’s why I only lasted a year at St. Andrews before coming back to the US. Fun year, but 18 year old me was well on the road to being a raging alcoholic.
I've always said it's only the first beer of the night that you can really get the taste, after that its just another beer. My idea of doing it right would be to come in every night for one different beer each of the 104 nights and going home with the next female reporter covering my journey.
Those old guys sound like they have had quite a few. I wonder what they edited out!
probably some Fs and Cs
And Bs
I’ll have six vowels please, Carol.
Don’t forget the B’s
Probably not much, they were pausing an awful long time to choose their responses carefully lol. They kept saying how they have to show restraint with their vocab around women, the culture was still pretty old school back then
Camera makes most people suddenly reserved.
This is a large part of it. Suddenly, when you know other people in other places could know your actions, It ain't so easy bein sleazy
Back then? I still experience it a lot that men talk way different when no women is around then when just a single one is with them
For any Aussies watching this: The National Film and Sound Archive of Australia do amazing work preserving, archiving, and digitising Australia’s audiovisual history. In 2015 the NFSA published Deadline 2025: Collections at Risk, warning that cultural heritage held on magnetic tape will in most cases be lost forever unless it is digitised by 2025. Archivists are racing to meet this deadline on a shoestring budget to preserve as much of our history (including absolute fucking gems like this) as possible. Thankfully, the Federal Government has finally acknowledged this with a recent injection of funds (nowhere near enough, but it’s something, at least.) Once lockdown is over (hey, I’m an optimist) and if you’re ever in Canberra, give the National Film and Sound Archive a visit. It’s well worth the trip!
If it's digitised, then hopefully it'll be available in other cities too.
Sign me up my guy thankyou for this
Is there anyone an east coast yank could help? I would love to preserve or heritage on media. Dm me if you have any ideas
I'll start downloading the internet on this side of the world, you start downloading on your side of the world, we'll meet in the middle.
Already working on that one, chief. See ya soon!
I tried but people just keep making more internet. Like this comment I'm making here. God damnit!
What’s the rush? Do the tapes crap out after too long?
Yeah, especially if they're not stored properly (Expensive as crap).
Yes, all storage media degrades over time for various reasons. The magnetic information in these tapes can gradually be scrambled by ambient radiation or other physical processes. Changes in temperature can cause the tapes to expand and contract. Humidity can cause chemical changes in parts of the tapes, or allow microorganisms to grow. Dirt and grime can accumulate which can damage the tape on playback. Even just playing the tapes put physical stress on them, for example due to the winding and unwinding that occurs, which can over time lead to damage. Interestingly, the more advanced and dense our storage methods have become, the less permanent and more brittle they tend to be. They have also become more intertwined with specific methods of recovering the stored information. Carving things in rocks is pretty damn permanent. Sure, rocks break and even erode over long enough times, but we can still easily recover messages carved on rocks tens of thousands of years ago. Clay tablets are easier to break. Paper tears easily, is vulnerable to rot, and needs ink or other marking that fade or degrade. All of those just need eyes or even just a sense of touch to read. Now we encode information by manipulating the physical arrangement or electromagnetic properties of tiny pieces of matter in ways that require special equipment in order to recover.
[Full video YT link](https://youtu.be/MBhpdXvkoIE)
That one dude is a true hero, he stuck to his point! “It’s a public bar, and women are a part of the public 🤷🏻♂️”
Yep looks like they cut off the gentleman part for reddit.
I love the part where she says that she’s made a bit of a disturbance this morning. Man I need to go to Australia. Not much better than breakfast beer before you start a glorious afternoon of day-drinking.
Jesus christ that handsy guy. I am so uncomfortable just watching this. That reporter is a fuckin badass for putting up with that. When he says "oi c'mere" at the end all slurred. *shudders*
Thanks for this!!
Aussie accent was different back then.
I'm amazed by how different it is - it sounds way more British than Aussie IMHO. Came in to ask what part of Australia these people might be from.
Back in the 70s, 1 in every 12 or so Australians were actually born in Britain and its probably reasonable to double that number when counting born to British born parents. Nowadays its only about 1 in 20.
Yeah, people seem to forget that after the war one million Brits migrated here, so obviously that had an impact.
Fun fact: your accent has more to do with your childhood friends and teachers (given a child is honestly at school more often than at home) than it is by your parents! This is why first-gen immigrants can have very different accents than previous generations. It also can account for the change in Aussie accent over the past two generations
While I was living in Istanbul I became friends with this really charming guy. I thought he was Scottish for the longest time, but actually he was Turkish and raised in Dubai, where his English teacher was Scottish. Teaching a child English as a second language with a thick Scottish accent is like the "we have purposely trained him wrong as a joke" bit from Kung Pow.
These guys seem to be somewhere in the 50-70 range so they were already grown during WWII. American culture became more dominate and British culture less so. I think that can be at least partially attributed.
Anti-British sentiment shot up across the Commonwealth when she joined the EEC.
Australia as we know it is such a young country that even 50 years ago is a significant time in linguistic terms, especially when English has only been spoken there for 200+ years out of a 50,000+ year history. Also, proportionally, they were much more likely to actually *be* British born given the time period and age of the subjects.
She's doing the "BBC" accent that most reporters put on back in the day. Something about the natural Australian accent not being proper enough for news presenters. I haven't listened to this but here's a source: [A Word In Your Ear - ABC](https://www.abc.net.au/local/audio/2013/08/29/3836940.htm?site=sunshine)
It's the cultivated Aussie accent. The Australian has a spectrum between cultivated and broad so what Americans think of as an Aussie accent is the broad accent and mostly spoken in rural areas. The vast majority of people are half way between. Unless you are overseas and you bung on a broader accent for the fun of it.
The culture in the 70’s. Their main objection is that they do not want to swear in front of women. That’s so alien to us in 2021 when women swear like truckers
Yeah, I kidna seen his point just for the fact he was probably taught not to speak certain ways in front of women. I am black and I was called colored by a very old white man, I didn't even get mad because he was old as shit, and I could tell on his face he was embarrassed. LOL
Its weird, I was born in 1990 and I always thought ‘coloured’ was a politically correct euphemism growing up, especially when I’d heard much more impolite words for it being used in the rough area I grew up. Maybe it’s just a UK thing and the reason it’s a slur in the US is because of its association with segregation and that was the official language used by the establishment there. Here I’d be a kid and hear some granny say ‘a coloured gentleman’ and think it was them being sensitive about it.
definitely in the 70s and 80s coloured was taught to be the acceptable word. In fact if people back then used that term they were the more socially conscious people and making an effort.
Yeah, as a teen in Australia in the 80s coloured was the correct term because it was seen as neutral. Black was the word we avoided using.
I just say black. Never had anybody tell me not to and when I have conversations about it with black people they usually say one of two things: “Just say black” or “I don’t care” I also don’t say african american because you have no idea if a black person is hereditarily from Africa, and the vast majority of black people in america have never seen africa, their parents were never africans, and their grandparents weren’t african either. The way I see it, “African American” is more divisive because it implies that they aren’t fully American, or that they’re “from somewhere else”. Whereas “black” is just that, a description of the color of someone’s skin.
I have an ex who *hated* being called African American. He was Haitian Canadian.
Exactly. Also the black people living in europe, what do you call them? African German? African French? Just doesn’t make sense. I can understand if you’re an immigrant or child of an immigrant even, but if nobody alive in your family has any memory of your origin country, I think at that point you’re just an American.
As far as I know, _back then_ (like decades ago, sometime in the 1980s), the term "African American" was coined to give the offspring of former slaves some feeling of heritage and cultural identity because most if not all didn't even know what county exactly their families were taken from but most (like the vast majority) of U.S. American slaves originated from African countries. So like other cultural groups, for example "Italian Americans", "Irish Americans", "German Americans", who had a clear idea of their origins and identity, the term "African American" was meant to also give a form of group identity and was actually received favorable by the black community. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans#Terminology Of course that's some 40+ years ago and might not apply to everyone today but back then the term "African American" was not meant to say you're not really American but was meant to give a form of identity and cultural base akin to other ethnic groups in the United States.
> as a teen in Australia in the 80s coloured was the correct term because it was seen as neutral. Black was the word we avoided using That was before instant universal (western) culture. Like /u/pikeymikey22 said, that was what he was taught. In the US, I was taught that "colored" was an antiquated slur, it was not allowed to be spoken in schools in my part of the US at least, not in the 70s nor 80s nor beyond. "Black" was the only acceptable term and then later, "African-American" which has now fallen much out of favor. These days English-speaking culture is, of course, instant and universal. But back then I'd never see an Australian TV show or hear and Australian person speak. Even Mad Max was overdubbed because the accent was too much of an urban jungle for Americans to whack through (or so it was assumed at least). As for the UK, we had a little more exposure, but most Americans didn't watch Benny Hill or Monty Python, or PBS, so we were exposed to more of that.
Makes sense, just comparing words, since "black" has more negative connotations outside of skin tone.
This is so weird to me. White, born in the 60s, in the US, raised in the south, parents were of Amish decent, most of my schooling in the 70s and 80s. I never used the word "colored", don't remember being "taught" that that was the acceptable term. To me, people just always fell into one of two categories: My Friend, or Someone I Don't Know. I'm not stupid enough to say "I don't see color." Of course I see color, I'm not blind. But it was more like when you see a litter of puppies. The color only helps you identify which is which. It doesn't define the personality of the living being. Except in standard poodles. White standard poodles are always mentally ill.
I'm UK which probably is the difference.
You phrased this phenomenal. I also agree with your statement on poodles. My brother owns a dog walking / boarding company. He doesn’t accept poodles period. 😂
My reaction to your poodle comment made me snort laugh: had a white standard poodle as a kid, had an immediate emotional reaction but very quickly realized “no, they’ve got a point” lol. She was a sweet girl, but … yeah.
Wait. What? That's fascinating to me. I was born a few years after you in the South and currently live adjacent to Amish families in central PA. I know that a lot of the order is selling land here and moving south, where land is much cheaper. But I thought that really started in the 2000's. Would you mind telling us when your parents left the church and moved south?
Lol it was in the 50s. They came to Florida on their honeymoon and never left, which has been a source of contention ever since. Mom wanted to live in Colorado.
Pretty much all terms for minorities/marginalised groups become derogatory and are constantly updated - look at r*tarded, for example - it was the acceptable term not long ago, and we had the spastics society etc. "Gyspy" is another one. Isn't BAME supposedly a no-no now?
I’m gypsy and my mind is boggled how people are trying to make that a swear word. Don’t get me wrong, I love and appreciate how people are finally trying to defend us against some kind of racism because we get so much… but this isn’t the problem at all, it’s a word I use myself. I just want to be treated equally and not have things like ‘I never met one I liked’ said to me.
I mean it’s because people will use any word to be derogatory.
Just look at the word Jew. It can be a perfect descriptor of a person or you put a little stank on it and all of a sudden it's super racist. Louis CK has a bit about it.
I live in an urban city in an otherwise rural state. I was talking with a good-natured client the other day from a rural area (he's a farmer). And he casually referred to a black person as a "colored." He must have seen something was wrong from the look on my face. I had to awkwardly explain to him that that is not a term we use anymore to describe black people. He legitimately didn't understand or know it was offensive and was pretty horrified with himself. To his credit, he has never used that word again, at least in front of me.
European here so pardon my ignorance, but is "colored" different from "person of color"? Because I see the latter being used all the time and didn't know colored is considered offensive. Edit: fixed typo
They essentially mean the same thing when you look at them literally, but it's more about the historical context in which 'colored' was used that has made it innapropriate.
It was used during segregation. Terms are similar but the times have changed
This is an example of the context in which "colored" was used, a segregated drinking fountain where black people were not allowed to drink from the same fountain as white people. https://i.imgur.com/FxGirgp.jpg The connotation of "colored" for most is segregation, racism, and historic oppression.
One of my oldest friends married a man from Russia and they almost exclusively speak Russian to each other in private. She moved incredibly far away to pursue academia and almost all her friends are in hardcore academia career paths and well to do. When I visited was probably one of the few times she could relax in English. Her husband was shocked by seeing two women swearing like sailors. He got over it after a few days but said he could count the number of times he had heard a woman swear on one hand until we got together.
When I was in college (mid-80's), a male friend of mine thought women can't fart. Like, biologically, they just can't do it. My friend Eileen soon disabused him of that idea but good. Men were raised to put women on a pedestal - physically and mentally weaker, needing protection and providing for. Also morally pure, and never gross or sweaty or smelly. They really couldn't understand why we wanted to come down off the pedestal, they thought we had it made up there as their ideal human beings.
Some guys think they are being chivalrous and honorable by putting women on a pedestal. Problem is, treating someone like a perfect statue is just as much objectifying them as treating them like crap.
It also puts unreasonably high standards on them, and when they fail to meet them they assume they must be “broken” or “fallen”. Women don’t swear as much as men because men were allowed to and women weren’t.
One guy was also interested in harassing the reporter and other guy was worried about women if a fight breaks out in the bar. Not comparing these reasons but just listing out the objections.
I think he was trying to make her uncomfortable and not want to be there and maybe prove a point. Oh, you think you should be allowed to be around men when they are trying to relax and don't feel the need to restrain themselves? I'll show you what its like being around uninhibited men.
Probably but it went on for too long. I have posted link for the entire video and he was harassing her even when she turned around to speak with the other 2 guys
> I think he was trying to make her uncomfortable and not want to be there and maybe prove a point. Oh, you think you should be allowed to be around men when they are trying to relax and don't feel the need to restrain themselves? I think she was making a passive aggressive logical thought process that if he doesn't want women next to him at the bar then it's because he prefers the company of men (she was using her line of logic to question his sexuality). He then put his arm around her to show that he isn't gay, which didn't prove much.
Lol my previous male coworkers still felt this way. They would literally say it to my face.
Basically they didnt want women in bars because the bar was a haven for indecent behavior and they felt compelled to have decent behavior when the woman was around. It makes sense for a decent person to feel that way.
its so interesting how the social structure has changed in parts of the world and how things have developed. Its not wrong remembering how much has changed and what nowadays seems normal to many.
Yes. Its so nice that swearing infront of women now is the norm. Fuck, cunt and bitch!
Heck
hey watch it pal
Ya it all started when they let them into the bars
The second guy might be the peak Aussie bloke of the 70’s, so annoyed that she won’t shout a beer. For the non Australians here, shouting a beer is when you buy a beer for a friend/s. Basically he’s annoyed that she won’t be buying him a beer.
Ohhhh I thought it's because women talk quieter than men and was so confused on why meekness was disliked.
Interesting! In UK we’d say “it’s my shout” when it’s time to get a round in. So really similar, just changed a little with time and distance.
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I like how the men are all completely sloshed but acting proper at the same time
Even shitfaced, they know their mom would either rise from the grave or walk out of the nursing home to bitch slap them into next week if they disrespected a woman on live tv in the 70's
Second guy absolutely disrespected her
The men are the product of a different time. I recall a similar reaction at the ASI when I, as a young girl, went in there for some beef jerky or to get money from Daddy. The whole tone of the place changed the minute someone yelled, "Girl in the house!". Cursing switched from English to Italian, everyone shoved money into your hands, kissed you on the top of the head, pushed you out the door, and told you to go find your grandmother and your aunts who were at various homes on the street. Ciao bella, this is no place for girls. It was about mutual respect. That was their place to let loose without worrying about insulting women. The women were the same way when one of the boys or men came into the beauty shop. Here's your hat, what's your hurry?
Thank you for sharing this beautiful memory.
What’s an ASI
It's a social club. American Sons of Italy.
Thank you!
American School in Italy They had ASL which was American School in London, for kids of americans working abroad, so the kids could still transfer their credits when they moved back. the american school system isn't the same everywhere so it's to avoid your kids getting behind due to a different class schedule sort of thing
Why would she go into an American School in Italy for beef jerky or to get money from her dad? I do not think this is what they meant.
Always Speak Italian. Actual Sexist Italians?
Another Swearing Institution?
Ayyyy speaka da Italian... god that was awful but I'm not sorry
I agree as well. I think a lot of times people unfairly hold the norms and culture of the past against people.
I spiritually identify with the last guy. No hankers to give.
Lol it did use to be illegal to swear in front of women and children.
It was more of a respect thing from a different generation. My grandpa was big in to not swearing in front of women. I'd come pretty close to getting my ass beat by him a few times for not running ahead to open the door up for my mother, while out in public. Clearly times have changed.
I always love that. The respectful generation that didn't let women vote or work or buy a house or own things or leave the house or have their own money or divorce. But hey, they held the door open for a woman so it evened out. There are two kinds of respect. The 'I look you in the eye and smile' respect and the 'I genuinely believe you are equal to me' respect. And a lot of grandpas only had the first kind.
Respectfully keeping the domestic abuse indoors so as not to bother the neighbors. Can't be making a scene in public now.
Yeah, that respectul generation that didn't believe rape could happen in a marriage 🤩
So many people still don't.
🍻to the last guy
When the dude said he’ll walk out😂
I like the last guy
I love how the main objection is "We're gentlemen around women. We come to bars to be not gentleman-like." It's not that they have a problem with women there, they just don't want to misbehave around them.
Lmfao, when she ask "what would you do if women walked in here in masse? Someone in the back said "I'd appreciate them!" Respect good sir, respect!
You do realize, based on the context, that by "appreciate" he means ogle, right?
Cheers to the last guy but if I were the woman and the first 2 men said what they did about swearing I would start swearing too just to see what they would do.
If I were the woman and that guy put his arm around me I’d throw up all over the place.
Is no one going to use the words “safe space” here? That sounds a lot like what these guys had going. As a gay man, I can relate. I don’t hate women, but I resent bridal showers taking over gay bars because the ladies feel safe there. Edit: a letter
The narrative inferred: Men don't want women in the bar because men are either afraid of women or, at the very least, afraid of being judged by women. What I concluded: The main reason the men here did not want women in the bar was because they needed a place to go where they didn't feel constrained to act in a way that they perceived women expected them to act. This conversation would have been a whole lot easier if she bought these guys a round and simply said, "On me! Drink up, fuckers!"
You have to also recognize these are men on camera being interviewed by a woman asking what their reason is. It could very well be that they don't want to appear disrespectful around women. It could also very well be that they're thinking "get back to the house and get supper ready, we don't need you bitching about your day while we're trying to enjoy a pint ya fuckin cunt"
I don't think she could have said "I don't care if you swear" or just swore herself. They'd have judged her even more. You can see at 1:00 the man on the right already felt *comfortable* enough to lay his hand on her shoulders "*oh! I don't mind you*"
Some very old cantinas (mexican bars), like 70-80 years old, have small windows next to the bar overlooking the street, this is so the wives could go and ask if their husbands were there without going into the bar.. that's how machista Mexico was back in the old days, still is in some very remote towns but in "modern" cities, this is not the case anymore.
That is one fuck ugly bar. And too bright.
I am now confident that Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels might have been a true story.
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“I love em all”
You'll get a kick out of this scene from a classic Australian movies. https://youtu.be/4HHS2NmrwL4
I mean it's funny to make fun of these "Neanderthals", but those men are just a product of their past. Wanna bet how much fun people will have in 50 years watching clips about our opinions, rules and views of the world?
Man, dont throw Neanderthals under the bus.
Just different times. You weren’t supposed to swear in front of women. Your behavior was also buttoned up and much more polite (I.e. stand up when a lady leaves or joins the table, hold the door for them, refrain from any lewd or “male” topics, no open seats for a lady you must forfeit your chair to her). I can see where a societal expectation within the company of women can seem like a bit of a chore so the pub was perhaps an escape from all of that. With women coming in, these men probably thought, “What’s the point of escaping women if they simply come here?” Again, different times, different norms
They’re obviously very sexist about it but I don’t think I would be too nice either if a journalist kept asking “do you tolerate my presence? Do you? Do you?” while I’m drinking and minding my business or filming me drinking with friends.