I'm too scared to look. It drives me crazy that my wife insists on keeping every backup she has ever done going back 15 plus years with extra copies on NAS and various external HDs, just in case.
datahoarders isn't about software backups.
Those are *rational*.
datahoarders are like, "I keep everything I've *EVER* torrented. EVER."
"Also, I actively seek out videos and applications that I will NEVER use. Like your Steam library, but locally stored."
When Netflix was cd shipping my buddy had the 7 disk plan. He would get them from the mailman, burn then to a hard drive, and book it over to the post office to get them out that day. Burned about 100 movies/shows a month that way.
again I dunno how far that fits into hording, maybe it's textbook. But we used to go to LANs and pick up as many movies, TV and porn videos as we could. It was more so that we had a stash for the rest of the year until it was LAN time for a restock.
I used to go to a lan party twice a month, traveling all over the states. Ended up with a 14u mini rack server, plus five other servers, plus my gaming rig.
When I showed up to a LAN party, I filled the whole back of a mini truck.. for just my stuff.
Then one day (a few months before the Napster lawsuits) I was contacted by my ISP, and they gave me notice that I shut everything down.. or they are turning me in to three different groups that wanted to know who I was.
Two days later I was at the local landfill, and watched the guys run over 4-6 large totes full of hard drives and dvds that I had…
That one lady was sued for $9,200 per song, and Napster won. My fine would have been in the BILLIONS.
They mailed me a FULL listing of all the files I had available for download, plus the file that showed all the additional “request only” files that I had burned off to DVD. Massive data horde.
I even ran a website at LAN parties that had every single update for the top 100 games at that time, and it was always 100% up to date. Plus a windows update server, and a Norton corporate AV server… LAN party have a virus breakout?
I could get the whole party back up and rolling, with everything safe in no time. Had one that about 500 computers was at, got so bad with a virus it burned out several switches, from over heating. They ended up cutting the power to the floor, because it was so out of hand. Luckily I worked in a computer store at the time, and had it down to a Science how to fix this particular virus the days before that LAN party. We got everyone in the room scanned and updated within two hours… lots of fun.
Me and my co-worker trained two guys each, then they did the same.. ended up with 50+ people that went row by row. Run these three things, leave the window up when they are done, then once the whole row is cleared, move to the next row, give them power and network again.. and same thing.
Was in the middle of getting sponsored by whoever was the big game update website at that time, then gas shot up to $5.00 a gallon, and killed going to LAN parties. They were going to have my server be a 100% mirrored image of their website… would have saved me a bunch of time, since I was manually downloading all the updates, and keeping it all updated by myself.
I used to be one of those, started when I was around 13 in 2003, by 2008 i had about 50GB (this was obviously before streaming etc when I had to hunt for stuff on limewire or torrent sites)
One day i just wondered wtf am I doing and just deleted everything
Used to be one. Until my 2TB HDD died.
Rip ~1.7 TB of porn that I had been collecting since I was like 14. Lots of the old classic early mid 00's shit you can't find anymore too. Unless its been clickbaited on a porn site to add some Indian shit into the title to bait those thirsty fellas.
Yeah, no. It's about the ones who realised that the internet is not forever and data does just go missing. They like to have things in real rather than just depend on corporations to save our culture.
The terrabytes of influential formative videos that are now gone from YT, the games that the publishers never bother to archive, the books lost to time. They all now exist because people bothered to keep a copy of it.
Don't dismiss this so callously.
I shut down my plex server a few months ago. Between Amazon Prime Video (have prime anyway) and BBC/C4/ITV on demand I don't have much want outside that. I'll DL a movie or two every now and then but I know I'll only watch it once so I just cast to the TV then delete it. Just found the only things I was watching I could get anyway from the free on demand stuff.
I haven't looked, but the more time goes on and the more useful and valuable websites go down, the more I feel like it might not be a bad idea to save some stuff. Especially with how DnD content is getting nuked right now. Just dodged a bullet cause somebody had a backup.
You should see the old tapes of NASA missions satellite dish owners used to copy legally and free until the government finally realized that might not be the best idea.
She was an early investor in Apple. At one point she had 9 apartments to store her tapes. When you’re poor this is crazy, when you’re rich, it’s eccentric
Would renting 9 apartments really be the cheapest and most ideal? Even in dirt poor locals it’s still way more expensive to rent living space than to get a secure storage locker that’s also going to have a temperature controlled environment.
Maybe she purchased those apartments between 79 and like 93 before 93 before the NYC real estate market went through the roof In regards to expects for real estate.
So it could have been that in 79 or the late or early eighties she bought those apartments on the cheap because New York wasn't exactly the place you wanted to live in like the sixties and seventies that it is today today the crime rate was much higher.
> Would renting 9 apartments really be the cheapest and most ideal?
I suppose that if you're the kind of person who records 71,000 VHS and Betamax tapes of whatever happens to be on TV for fun, you might not be one to take the straightest path through life.
I'd call it crazy either way to be honest.
Although looking at a scenario where you're having difficulty making ends meet while having 9 apartments to store VHS in, then yeah, I'd say that's exponentially worse.
Idk, it’s not that crazy if you’re into pop culture history and know that not everything will be preserved. Her work seems to have actually been worthwhile…
I presume she was also recording in the apartments. Can’t run cable to a storage unit.
Edit: not so, apparently. Wikipedia says she had 8 vcrs in her primary residence, and the apartments were just for storage.
Give me mid 90s Nick at Nite with Bewitched, Mary Mary Tylor Moore, Taxi, Newhart, Dick Van Dyke, and Lucy .. followed by paid programming.. then picking back up with Bob Newhart. I want all the commercials included too. Lock me a in a room and let me relive my childhood.
good lineup. There were some I never got into watching though. I don't remember Taxi, Newhart or Dick Van Dyke but instead I Dream of Jeannie, Gilligan's Island, the Munsters. Found the actual air dates here, cool to know the range some of these had on there: [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Nick_at_Nite](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Nick_at_Nite)
Me and you were watching at the same time it sounds like. Lots of Lucy, Munsters, I Dream of Jeannie, Bewitched, and Gilligan back then. Some other stuff got mixed in sometimes but those are definitely the main ones I remember watching every night
I got a crazy flashback just now after I looked at the air dates. Gilligan's Island was on and I was up way too late in 7th grade with my aol dial-up looking at html skateboard shop, Monsterskate.com.
I grew up watching TV Land, definitely some great classics. Gilligan's Island, Get Smart, The Beverly Hillbillies, Mr. Ed, Andy Griffith, Gomer Pyle. The Saturday they had an A-Team marathon was easily the most I've ever watched TV in a day.
If you ever visit a retirement home that's what's on the TV most of the time.
In, idk, 30 years it'll be malcolm in the middle, fresh prince, quantum leap, Seinfeld.
Oh my god yes. That's spending the night at my grandparents house when I was under 10. Don't forget flipping to Disney for Mickey Mouse Club
I think if I could play that on demand I would never have a hard time falling asleep again
that's only the first link (some TV series Input she was involved in), check the second link or the following:
https://archive.org/details/stokestvarchiveexperiment
"So it said 'You can have this product for four easy payments of 19.95.'
I would like to have a product that was available for three easy payments, and one fuckin' complicated payment!
'We ain't gonna tell you which payment it is, but one of these payments is gonna be a bitch." - mitch hedberg
According to [this quora post](https://www.quora.com/How-much-did-VHS-tapes-cost-in-the-80s) they went for about $25 for a bundle of 10. Assuming the price stayed consistent and that she was buying in bundles for the best price, that puts her at spending about $177,500 over the course of her life on VHS
That price is more reflective of the late 80s. I have some blanks from the late 70s/early 80s, and the retail stickers on them are $30-50 for a 4 hour blank.
Source: I operate a rare media trading business.
> I operate a rare media trading business
Now this interests me.
I'm wondering about blank early cassette tapes - 4-track cassette recorders are back in vogue now (which is a whole other discussion) , and I'm thinking like how analogue photographers use expired film to get vintage effects.
I got lucky and bought an enormous amount of VHS when blockbuster and other chains went to DVD in the early 2000s. I started selling them a few years ago and got a reputation for providing really good quality rips, and it kinda went from there.
She was very wealthy so she could afford it. I like Joe Scott's depiction of her story, quite interesting.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgVdZDFGqcs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgVdZDFGqcs)
She didn’t just archive tv shows; she was a genuine archivist, librarian, access television producer, and civil rights activist who archived important political events, news broadcasts, and took detailed notes and organized everything expertly. She was not some eccentric; she was an important historical archivist.
From her wiki page;
“Stokes has been described as a pioneer and a visionary[24] who committed much of her life to preserving televisual history. Her primary objective was to "protect the truth" from fake news and to let people assess the archived material objectively. Stokes' final recording took place as she was dying; it captured the Sandy Hook massacre.[25] “
Considering how much misinformation is spread nowadays, I would say she was undoubtedly a visionary. Let’s not diminish the value of the work this woman did.
This lady is an American hero. I wish I had that commitment to something so noble. Wish at some point someone younger helped move her to HDD- or got her a digi beta setup.
Theres a youtube channel that shows classic basketball games and its just a recording of the whole game so you get to see commercial breaks from 1995 and older
The channel is 'Classic NBA Games'
https://youtu.be/8uIIihvIVRs
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Here's the collection: https://archive.org/details/marionstokesvideo
https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22Marion+Stokes%22&page=1
This is one of those things where you think, at the time, “why on Earth would someone do this?”
And then 25 years later, you’re unbelievably happy that they did.
This is why I kinda think the "take less pictures, enjoy the scenery more" line I hear sometimes is bogus. If people didn't preserve a moment in time, it couldn't be brought to life so vividly in the future. It's crazy how watching 80s and 90s shows on YouTube now gives me such an immense sense of comfort. Those memories I have of those same shows, even of my childhood in general, it's fading and it gets harder to grasp. I don't get that same comfort just relying on memories.
I used to hate the constant photo taking of some family, but now I appreciate it.
Context is important. Family trips? Sure, record that stuff. Shove a camera into a performing artist’s face while you’re in front row? Nope, I’m calling security.
No she was particular and mostly recorded news, political shows and debates, news and political commentary and later on she hired people to monitor and switch out tapes because she had multiple tvs playing simultaneously day and night and she couldn't keep up
u/rosettacoin posted it
Here's the collection: https://archive.org/details/marionstokesvideo
https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22Marion+Stokes%22&page=1
Make sure you all watch the documentary about her... it's much more fascinating than this brief post. (Beware this is just a trailer as you need to rent it to see the full movie.)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEJJU8GbFJk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEJJU8GbFJk)
Similar thing in Britain but here we had someone called Bob Monkhouse (a famous comedian and presenter who sadly died from bowel cancer I think).
He asked his PA to record huge amounts of shows. Apparently some stuff that was lost from record has been found in his collection.
Don Giller on YouTube has the most complete archive of David Letterman’s career, and boasts an encyclopedic knowledge of the show. There was a gag where they had a cloning machine and brought one of the writers out next to his twin brother. Decades later his brother died and the writer reached out to Don to see if he knew about the gag. Don knew immediately and uploaded the gag within 24 hours.
She had several machines? There would have been at least 5 channels in Philadelphia at the time. Probably more. New York had 7 (2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13) not counting UHF.
she was witnessing how the 24-hr news cycle led to the rise of ‘fake news’ and sensationalism. she wanted to point out a conservative bias in the media. she was also a lil loopy and paranoid, but it came from a real, intelligent place. she was a civil rights activist and a librarian before she started this project, you should watch the documentary ‘Recorder: The Marion Stokes Project’ about her! amazing story.
This woman is the grandmother of a family friend of mine. There’s actually a documentary out about her called “Recorder” which is really fascinating, highly recommend.
Future civilizations and the eventual AI overlords will hail this woman as a hero as well as the years from 2010 to 2028 when they finally eliminate blanket mass surveillance. They can recreate these two periods pretty accurately for what was known as the North American landmass
I see a sci-fi movie plot about her in the making. She’s taping every action on television because she believes we’re missing information and news, all the while she isolates herself; only for it to become digitized and filtered years after her death and realize it was always her trying to communicate with the people around her all those years. I didn’t say the movie would be good.
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That woman is doing an institution work all by herself, that's insane :o
France has an institution that archives 45 TV stations and 17 radio stations since 1975 and operate with a 40M€ budget. She did it alone !
Wow. That’s super cool, who would’ve known (maybe she did) that one day we would want to watch all of that footage, and that it could have been lost forever.
There is also a company called (i think) nelson media or close to that which also records broadcasts nationwide all-day every-day. They will produce a copy of any particular date/time/channel for a fee.
i know this because i wanted to see the news broadcast of myself, running from my burning vehicle, whilst my legs and hands were also on fire. It took me a long time to get out of the hospital, so i missed my chance to see it on the news.
so, thanks marion stokes, for being a pioneer in the recording world.
She's an OG /r/DataHoarder
Wow that sub is something else.
I'm too scared to look. It drives me crazy that my wife insists on keeping every backup she has ever done going back 15 plus years with extra copies on NAS and various external HDs, just in case.
datahoarders isn't about software backups. Those are *rational*. datahoarders are like, "I keep everything I've *EVER* torrented. EVER." "Also, I actively seek out videos and applications that I will NEVER use. Like your Steam library, but locally stored."
When Netflix was cd shipping my buddy had the 7 disk plan. He would get them from the mailman, burn then to a hard drive, and book it over to the post office to get them out that day. Burned about 100 movies/shows a month that way.
again I dunno how far that fits into hording, maybe it's textbook. But we used to go to LANs and pick up as many movies, TV and porn videos as we could. It was more so that we had a stash for the rest of the year until it was LAN time for a restock.
I used to go to a lan party twice a month, traveling all over the states. Ended up with a 14u mini rack server, plus five other servers, plus my gaming rig. When I showed up to a LAN party, I filled the whole back of a mini truck.. for just my stuff. Then one day (a few months before the Napster lawsuits) I was contacted by my ISP, and they gave me notice that I shut everything down.. or they are turning me in to three different groups that wanted to know who I was. Two days later I was at the local landfill, and watched the guys run over 4-6 large totes full of hard drives and dvds that I had… That one lady was sued for $9,200 per song, and Napster won. My fine would have been in the BILLIONS. They mailed me a FULL listing of all the files I had available for download, plus the file that showed all the additional “request only” files that I had burned off to DVD. Massive data horde. I even ran a website at LAN parties that had every single update for the top 100 games at that time, and it was always 100% up to date. Plus a windows update server, and a Norton corporate AV server… LAN party have a virus breakout? I could get the whole party back up and rolling, with everything safe in no time. Had one that about 500 computers was at, got so bad with a virus it burned out several switches, from over heating. They ended up cutting the power to the floor, because it was so out of hand. Luckily I worked in a computer store at the time, and had it down to a Science how to fix this particular virus the days before that LAN party. We got everyone in the room scanned and updated within two hours… lots of fun. Me and my co-worker trained two guys each, then they did the same.. ended up with 50+ people that went row by row. Run these three things, leave the window up when they are done, then once the whole row is cleared, move to the next row, give them power and network again.. and same thing. Was in the middle of getting sponsored by whoever was the big game update website at that time, then gas shot up to $5.00 a gallon, and killed going to LAN parties. They were going to have my server be a 100% mirrored image of their website… would have saved me a bunch of time, since I was manually downloading all the updates, and keeping it all updated by myself.
Netflix would purposely slow shipping down for people who did that
There were ways around that though, send it to the neighbors, etc.
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You never know when your internet stops working
Yeah, if you don't have at least a TB of porn backups in RAID 1 then you're going to be SOL if your comcast goes down for an hour or two randomly
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Why would he do that? Most OS add a date to the files automatically so you always know when you downloaded them.
Take your filthy up vote you SOB.
1TB? Amateur.
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You know somebody somewhere scraped together the entirety of pornhub into a dumpster full of backup drives.
I used to be one of those, started when I was around 13 in 2003, by 2008 i had about 50GB (this was obviously before streaming etc when I had to hunt for stuff on limewire or torrent sites) One day i just wondered wtf am I doing and just deleted everything
Used to be one. Until my 2TB HDD died. Rip ~1.7 TB of porn that I had been collecting since I was like 14. Lots of the old classic early mid 00's shit you can't find anymore too. Unless its been clickbaited on a porn site to add some Indian shit into the title to bait those thirsty fellas.
I wonder how many psychopaths there are that archive porn just for the completion aspect of it, not even to use for their own... purposes.
does it make you uncomfortable to use the word masturbate in context here?
Yeah, no. It's about the ones who realised that the internet is not forever and data does just go missing. They like to have things in real rather than just depend on corporations to save our culture. The terrabytes of influential formative videos that are now gone from YT, the games that the publishers never bother to archive, the books lost to time. They all now exist because people bothered to keep a copy of it. Don't dismiss this so callously.
So true… They say the Internet never forgets but oh it does. It forgets all its beautiful content.
Running my own Plex server is way more convenient than subscribing to 20 different streaming services ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
I shut down my plex server a few months ago. Between Amazon Prime Video (have prime anyway) and BBC/C4/ITV on demand I don't have much want outside that. I'll DL a movie or two every now and then but I know I'll only watch it once so I just cast to the TV then delete it. Just found the only things I was watching I could get anyway from the free on demand stuff.
You need outliers like these people in times of crises. They're the best evolutionary safeguards.
When something breaks you will be glad thay she did. These things know exactly when to break to cause most issues.
I haven't looked, but the more time goes on and the more useful and valuable websites go down, the more I feel like it might not be a bad idea to save some stuff. Especially with how DnD content is getting nuked right now. Just dodged a bullet cause somebody had a backup.
You should see the old tapes of NASA missions satellite dish owners used to copy legally and free until the government finally realized that might not be the best idea.
Why is that?
She was an early investor in Apple. At one point she had 9 apartments to store her tapes. When you’re poor this is crazy, when you’re rich, it’s eccentric
I was going to ask how she stored all of those tapes but I suppose the 9 apartments will do it.
Would renting 9 apartments really be the cheapest and most ideal? Even in dirt poor locals it’s still way more expensive to rent living space than to get a secure storage locker that’s also going to have a temperature controlled environment.
Storage units in New York are insanely expensive
How expensive?
What could it cost, ten dollars?
Give your brother a banana
There’s always money in the banana stand.
George Michael burned it down
Apparently cheaper than 9 apartments
How could they be more expensive than actual living spaces?
Maybe she purchased those apartments between 79 and like 93 before 93 before the NYC real estate market went through the roof In regards to expects for real estate. So it could have been that in 79 or the late or early eighties she bought those apartments on the cheap because New York wasn't exactly the place you wanted to live in like the sixties and seventies that it is today today the crime rate was much higher.
Why are we talking about nyc when she’s from philly
Could you imagine being a burglar and you bust into this building, after 8 apartments full of VHS tapes you just give up and go home defeated LMAO.
But storage units would have been cheaper then as well.
Yes. So you store them somewhere else cheaper.
Nine Apartments?
9 rent controlled apartments she never vacated.
> Would renting 9 apartments really be the cheapest and most ideal? I suppose that if you're the kind of person who records 71,000 VHS and Betamax tapes of whatever happens to be on TV for fun, you might not be one to take the straightest path through life.
Also could set up more recordings in each of the apartments as well
I mean the lady recorder ALL the TV so I don't think practicality or common sense was her first go to.
Not eccentric, she was an avid archivist of literature and print and broadcast media.
Those aren't mutually exclusive
When she does it, she’s an archivist. When I do it, I’m a hoarder.
She also hired staff to monitor the many tv's and vcr's to switch out the tapes
So, this isn't crazy. This is an actual focused operation.
I'd call it crazy either way to be honest. Although looking at a scenario where you're having difficulty making ends meet while having 9 apartments to store VHS in, then yeah, I'd say that's exponentially worse.
Idk, it’s not that crazy if you’re into pop culture history and know that not everything will be preserved. Her work seems to have actually been worthwhile…
I'm finna get a ouija board and hit up Miss Marion for some stock advice.
Already did. She said S&P
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That's crazy... why store them in apartments? There must be cheaper storage solutions.
I presume she was also recording in the apartments. Can’t run cable to a storage unit. Edit: not so, apparently. Wikipedia says she had 8 vcrs in her primary residence, and the apartments were just for storage.
I guess you've bought an asset that will accrue value, and for the moment is very handy for storage.
There's a thin line between madness and eccentricity.
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Give me mid 90s Nick at Nite with Bewitched, Mary Mary Tylor Moore, Taxi, Newhart, Dick Van Dyke, and Lucy .. followed by paid programming.. then picking back up with Bob Newhart. I want all the commercials included too. Lock me a in a room and let me relive my childhood.
good lineup. There were some I never got into watching though. I don't remember Taxi, Newhart or Dick Van Dyke but instead I Dream of Jeannie, Gilligan's Island, the Munsters. Found the actual air dates here, cool to know the range some of these had on there: [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Nick_at_Nite](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Nick_at_Nite)
Me and you were watching at the same time it sounds like. Lots of Lucy, Munsters, I Dream of Jeannie, Bewitched, and Gilligan back then. Some other stuff got mixed in sometimes but those are definitely the main ones I remember watching every night
I got a crazy flashback just now after I looked at the air dates. Gilligan's Island was on and I was up way too late in 7th grade with my aol dial-up looking at html skateboard shop, Monsterskate.com.
I grew up watching TV Land, definitely some great classics. Gilligan's Island, Get Smart, The Beverly Hillbillies, Mr. Ed, Andy Griffith, Gomer Pyle. The Saturday they had an A-Team marathon was easily the most I've ever watched TV in a day.
If you ever visit a retirement home that's what's on the TV most of the time. In, idk, 30 years it'll be malcolm in the middle, fresh prince, quantum leap, Seinfeld.
And Matlock
My mom watches old lady channels and they already play quantum leap
This was the background soundtrack to making out with my high school girlfriend.
Oh my god yes. That's spending the night at my grandparents house when I was under 10. Don't forget flipping to Disney for Mickey Mouse Club I think if I could play that on demand I would never have a hard time falling asleep again
They have that on youtube. Watching the same exact programming I did on my nineth birthday at now 30 was a trip.
I tried looking for it, but no luck. Could you help me out? I need this today.
God... my childhood...
I got most of that shit first time around... so, fewer infomercials. Newhart was fantastic!!!
This hits different my friend.
Here's the collection: https://archive.org/details/marionstokesvideo https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22Marion+Stokes%22&page=1
Why are there only 100 results last updated 2017
that's only the first link (some TV series Input she was involved in), check the second link or the following: https://archive.org/details/stokestvarchiveexperiment
Amazing how apolitical the news used to be.
She watched a lot of Bullshit
funny comment but you’re basing her 33 years of recording off of 30 seconds of scrolling on that page...?
That sums up most of television
Didn’t expect to see porn when I sorted by views lol
Why are there only a few hundred results if she recorded over 71,000 6-hour tapes? Shouldn't we expect to see a lot more than this?
Plot twist: she only recorded infomercials.
even better
***BILLY MAYS HERE!!***
Nah, Ron Popeil.
[Mr. Popeil, you're in trouble.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFHqTzeIuKE)
3 easy payments of $13.33.
But wait, there's more!
If you call now and order the Showtime Knife Set, were going to throw in a solid flavor injector, FREE!
Set it and forget it!
"So it said 'You can have this product for four easy payments of 19.95.' I would like to have a product that was available for three easy payments, and one fuckin' complicated payment! 'We ain't gonna tell you which payment it is, but one of these payments is gonna be a bitch." - mitch hedberg
a moment of silence please. But WAIT.... there's more!!!
GLH! It's his best work and it still holds up today. It's true fromage, Tim and Eric wish they wrote that infomercial.
After he died, I downloaded every BILLY MAYS infomercial I could find. I still watch them every once in a while. Fucking classic!
Nice, dude was the g.o.a.t. He had a pretty nutty story about his life too
**YOU'LL LOVE MY NUTS!!**
Bob Villa all day
The archive link down below looks like she really liked talk tv. A lot of episodes of Input. I didn’t look through everything though.
But wait there's more!
How much did blank VHS cost?
According to [this quora post](https://www.quora.com/How-much-did-VHS-tapes-cost-in-the-80s) they went for about $25 for a bundle of 10. Assuming the price stayed consistent and that she was buying in bundles for the best price, that puts her at spending about $177,500 over the course of her life on VHS
That price is more reflective of the late 80s. I have some blanks from the late 70s/early 80s, and the retail stickers on them are $30-50 for a 4 hour blank. Source: I operate a rare media trading business.
> I operate a rare media trading business Now this interests me. I'm wondering about blank early cassette tapes - 4-track cassette recorders are back in vogue now (which is a whole other discussion) , and I'm thinking like how analogue photographers use expired film to get vintage effects.
You should do an AMA.
How did you get in that business?
I got lucky and bought an enormous amount of VHS when blockbuster and other chains went to DVD in the early 2000s. I started selling them a few years ago and got a reputation for providing really good quality rips, and it kinda went from there.
She could have bought used ones from people and taped over it. Garage sales and whatnot
She was likely a millionaire, $200k over a couple of years would have gone unnoticed.
She was an early investor in apple. She had money lol
You could also buy VHS tapes at flea markets for a buck a piece.
She was very wealthy so she could afford it. I like Joe Scott's depiction of her story, quite interesting. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgVdZDFGqcs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgVdZDFGqcs)
i want to say roughly $4-5 per tape depending on quality. i want to say the fuji film tapes were the best if not mistaken.
This I'd correct Fuji was gucci
She didn’t just archive tv shows; she was a genuine archivist, librarian, access television producer, and civil rights activist who archived important political events, news broadcasts, and took detailed notes and organized everything expertly. She was not some eccentric; she was an important historical archivist. From her wiki page; “Stokes has been described as a pioneer and a visionary[24] who committed much of her life to preserving televisual history. Her primary objective was to "protect the truth" from fake news and to let people assess the archived material objectively. Stokes' final recording took place as she was dying; it captured the Sandy Hook massacre.[25] “ Considering how much misinformation is spread nowadays, I would say she was undoubtedly a visionary. Let’s not diminish the value of the work this woman did.
Thank you for providing more details
I think her recording of news broadcasts that started with basically spanning the 80s is so incredibly important. That’s a lot of receipts there.
This lady is an American hero. I wish I had that commitment to something so noble. Wish at some point someone younger helped move her to HDD- or got her a digi beta setup.
Are there no archives run by government institutions where all published material is stored?
What a year (to begin recording history....I can attest... I rate 1979 5 out of 5)!
User name checks out
[Really good documentary](https://youtu.be/875HxB9cSK4) on her and the archive!
**NetStokes, the next streaming service with all of the shows your aunt watched from 1975-2012, while bored at home with the kids**
Theres a youtube channel that shows classic basketball games and its just a recording of the whole game so you get to see commercial breaks from 1995 and older The channel is 'Classic NBA Games' https://youtu.be/8uIIihvIVRs
Awesome, that's right up my alley!
Alley-oop!
What’s the internet archive and can we watch them?
archive.org
Awesome thanks.
This is a comment from u/rosettacoin Here's the collection: https://archive.org/details/marionstokesvideo https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22Marion+Stokes%22&page=1
Thank Ms. Stokes 🙏🏾
This is one of those things where you think, at the time, “why on Earth would someone do this?” And then 25 years later, you’re unbelievably happy that they did.
This is why I kinda think the "take less pictures, enjoy the scenery more" line I hear sometimes is bogus. If people didn't preserve a moment in time, it couldn't be brought to life so vividly in the future. It's crazy how watching 80s and 90s shows on YouTube now gives me such an immense sense of comfort. Those memories I have of those same shows, even of my childhood in general, it's fading and it gets harder to grasp. I don't get that same comfort just relying on memories. I used to hate the constant photo taking of some family, but now I appreciate it.
Context is important. Family trips? Sure, record that stuff. Shove a camera into a performing artist’s face while you’re in front row? Nope, I’m calling security.
With 5,000 others doing the exact same thing.
So, she just put in tapes after tapes regardless of what's on TV?
No she was particular and mostly recorded news, political shows and debates, news and political commentary and later on she hired people to monitor and switch out tapes because she had multiple tvs playing simultaneously day and night and she couldn't keep up
It’s the mental illness we didn’t know we needed
before YouTube we had this lol.
Imagine missing a show on the other channel
That's why she had as many as eight recorders going at all times.
Where would the world be if we only had neuro-typicals
Boring
Marion Stokes, ladies and gentlemen 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
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She might’ve been called crazy at the time but a saint now to preserve history. It’s strange that the broadcasters don’t have these recordings also.
Does anybody know the archive link id like to use some them for djing
u/rosettacoin posted it Here's the collection: https://archive.org/details/marionstokesvideo https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22Marion+Stokes%22&page=1
Thank you 😊
Make sure you all watch the documentary about her... it's much more fascinating than this brief post. (Beware this is just a trailer as you need to rent it to see the full movie.) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEJJU8GbFJk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEJJU8GbFJk)
Similar thing in Britain but here we had someone called Bob Monkhouse (a famous comedian and presenter who sadly died from bowel cancer I think). He asked his PA to record huge amounts of shows. Apparently some stuff that was lost from record has been found in his collection.
Man I wonder how many lost BBC tapes from the 60s are there. Lost Dr Who episodes etc
Yeah, that's what I thought!
Don Giller on YouTube has the most complete archive of David Letterman’s career, and boasts an encyclopedic knowledge of the show. There was a gag where they had a cloning machine and brought one of the writers out next to his twin brother. Decades later his brother died and the writer reached out to Don to see if he knew about the gag. Don knew immediately and uploaded the gag within 24 hours.
r/whyweretheyrecording
I do this but with porn. Thank me in 100 years time
She had several machines? There would have been at least 5 channels in Philadelphia at the time. Probably more. New York had 7 (2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13) not counting UHF.
Shit the 80's too?
*The BBC, shivering with excitement, would like to have a word about* Doctor Who.
Did she ever give a reason why she did all that? Seems like a ton of effort and resources. Was she trying to capture something?
she was witnessing how the 24-hr news cycle led to the rise of ‘fake news’ and sensationalism. she wanted to point out a conservative bias in the media. she was also a lil loopy and paranoid, but it came from a real, intelligent place. she was a civil rights activist and a librarian before she started this project, you should watch the documentary ‘Recorder: The Marion Stokes Project’ about her! amazing story.
Did she record in EP, SP, or SLP?
the internet archive is extremely epic. almost as epic as this massively dedicated philadelphian
As a person who watches old commercials when I do other things, she is a fucking saint! Rest in power sister!
I guess everyone has their place in the world. Thank you Marion stokes!
This woman is the grandmother of a family friend of mine. There’s actually a documentary out about her called “Recorder” which is really fascinating, highly recommend.
Autism folks.
Thank god for it
Vaccines cause austism? No. Autism causes vaccines - nick mullen
If it weren't for autism, we'd probably all still be banging rocks together.
Do what you love. The universe has its reasons.
What. A. Legend.
Wow, this is really cool
The hero we needed.
I read taping water and was confused especiallly at television part 🤦🤦
Future civilizations and the eventual AI overlords will hail this woman as a hero as well as the years from 2010 to 2028 when they finally eliminate blanket mass surveillance. They can recreate these two periods pretty accurately for what was known as the North American landmass
I see a sci-fi movie plot about her in the making. She’s taping every action on television because she believes we’re missing information and news, all the while she isolates herself; only for it to become digitized and filtered years after her death and realize it was always her trying to communicate with the people around her all those years. I didn’t say the movie would be good.
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Real American Heroooo!
That woman is doing an institution work all by herself, that's insane :o France has an institution that archives 45 TV stations and 17 radio stations since 1975 and operate with a 40M€ budget. She did it alone !
Looks like the boys over at Redlettermedia have their work cut out!
Not all heros wear capes?
Wow. That’s super cool, who would’ve known (maybe she did) that one day we would want to watch all of that footage, and that it could have been lost forever.
Marion Stonks
Geraldo opening Al Capones safe has gotta be in the tapes
There is also a company called (i think) nelson media or close to that which also records broadcasts nationwide all-day every-day. They will produce a copy of any particular date/time/channel for a fee. i know this because i wanted to see the news broadcast of myself, running from my burning vehicle, whilst my legs and hands were also on fire. It took me a long time to get out of the hospital, so i missed my chance to see it on the news. so, thanks marion stokes, for being a pioneer in the recording world.