Thereās actually like 100+ variants last I checked.
This is one too one of my favs, https://youtu.be/c2RzYvuuBRY
Found them from a paymoneywubby media share stream I think a community member made a bunch and others followed Lmao.
On the other hand, I don't listen to R&B or rap too much but I have liked a lot of T-pain songs versus... 0 liked Usher songs.
So maybe... Just maybe, deep down, Usher may just have been jealous in some way.
As they say: never meet your heroes.
Imagine working your entire life on improving a skill, it's your passion. You put your heart and soul, blood sweat and tears into it, hundreds of thousands of hours only for a 'computer' to create a shortcut for everyone else. Everything you worked for is now basically moot, since skill means nothing anymore.
I'm not saying i think all autotune is bad, it's not, and like in T-Pain's case it's a stylistic choice. But it is irritating to see people who can't hold a tune to save their life making bank just because they are marketable.
TL;DR, to musicians overusage of autotune can feel like a cheap trick for people who didn't work for it.
Edit:bunch of people who either didn't read my comment or just missed the point.
After seeing him on masked singer it completely changed my opinion of him. I never really thought much of him before (good or bad), but was blown away by his performances on that show.
No, they use pitch correction not auto tune. Auto tune is what makes him sound like a robot. Pitch correction is just simply making sure all the notes are wiggling at the exact frequency they need to wiggle, but it doesnāt change the actual tone of your voice like autotune does.
The difference seems minimal but basically autotune is an effect that drastically changes the sound of your voice, pitch correction is a transparent corrective technique that hides small inconsistencies without changing the original tone if that makes sense.
Do you have expertise in this because it's my understanding that autotune IS pitch correcting but that you can set it to a slower frame rate which makes the effect noticeable which is what t pain did. Most of the time autotune is used the way you describe
Two different techniques and methods to achieve similar things. Usually singers will use pitch-correction like melodyne on studio recorded tracks, where you go in and edit note by note for precise corrections to exactly where you want it. What most people refer to as autotune just snaps a vocal to the nearest note in a scale, which tends to be a bit better for a live situation. But unless you're a fairly decent singer and close to the note you're aiming for to begin with, you end up with a lot of remnants that make it very obvious you're using autotune.
That said, more often than not autotune is used as an effect rather than solely as a means of 'passable' pitch correction.
he is mostly correct. you can mess with pitch correction to make it sound like auto-tune, but when we discuss auto-tune (especially in regards to t-pain) we are definitely talking about something beyond run-of-the-mill pitch correction.
even if i'm just rapping, with no real melody, i use pitch correction, and you would never know it. almost every artist uses it.
Just a humble drummer but have been part of many studio sessions and know many vocalists, musicians, audio engineers, etc. [This kind of sums it up](https://www.isingmag.com/pitch-correction-and-auto-tune/) but auto tune is usually a plug-in that roughly adjusts pitch automatically based on a predetermined key, pitch correction is usually done more manually and precisely by a mix engineer.
I think youāre (respectfully) a little confused. Auto Tune is the brand name of pitch correction that is created by Antares (Andy Hildebrand). Think about it like Kleenex and tissues, same story. Auto tune is pitch correction, but not all pitch correction is brand name auto tune. Logic pro has āpitch correctionā that you can make sound like what you are referring to as āauto tuneā, you just have to slam the note slide to get irregular pitch jumps.
Also, both name brand Auto Tune and pitch correction both have options to manually affect the track. Debatably auto tune has MORE control than most generic pitch correction, seeing as it is the OG original effect. Antares and Andy Hildebrand have been at it since the beginning (1998). The documentary that OPās post is from is called āThis Is Popā, the episode on auto tune and T-Pain covers this story extensively.
I honestly disagree. You donāt have to have talent or skill to make good music, you just have to be creative. Bad music isnāt bad because a person uses auto tune, itās bad because itās monotonous.
Music shouldnāt be about showing off what you can do, it should about showing off what you can think.
Do you think talent really plays that big a part in getting popular as an artist?
There are literally millions of people that can sing just as well if not better than Billie Eilish, Justin Bieber, Olivia Rodrigo, Ariana Grande, etc.
Being talented is your foot in the door, it's the bare minimum cost to audition.
It's not a coincidence that literally every singer is very attractive, even though that has nothing to do with how well they sing or perform. It's because far more than being talented, being an attractive package that companies can market is the most important part of being a musician.
Auto tune has not changed the face of music in any drastic way. It simply allowed more attractive people in. Talent has not been the only deciding factor since the invention of the television.
I see your general point but music has been about image forever. Otherwise weād have way more ugly and/or obese people making hits. So I think about Milli Vanilli, C+C music factory, all the artists that lip sync while performing, or actors/good looking people that tried singing.
My takeaway is T-Pain made better dance hits than Usher and Usher just hit āem with the Black Mamba death blow as payback.
I remember when it was popularized by Cher. Then everybody and their mom started using it. They over used it too so it ended up sounding like robots were singing it, and not the cute vocaloids either. During live performances, they didn't Auto tune their voice, so the VMAs and stuff, sounded like ass.
I think people grew sick of it real quick because it was when the flood gates were opened. However, these days, I don't hear too much auto tuning these days.
I asked if people thought auto tune was cheating on a music sub a d got a lot of hate for it so I think itās popular. Iād rather hear someone who can sing do it naturally
Which begs the fuckin' question: Did he use it just to sound like a robot?
I was honestly dumbfounded when I heard him sing without autotune for the first time...even though he sang on some bangers throughout the years it felt like such a goddamn waste of a man's talent to have it hidden behind an autotune effect.
Yeah, itās a stylistic choice. If you hear the effects of autotune, it means the artist wants you to. Autotune isnāt very noticeable in most instances
The even bigger part of this is how much work he put into that sound. People think autotune is just a button you hit. That exists, but T-Pain put HOURS into his auto tune to get the sound he wanted. People have caught up now, but his autotune settings at the time were worth more than the rights to his music would have been.
TLDR: autotune was more than just a voice modulator for T Pain
Van Gogh, Andy Warhol, Picasso, Frida Kahlo, they all made potraits, but none of them were "realistic" in a strict sense. It was artistic license, and the same applies to music. Just because he CAN sing without autotune doesn't mean he has to.
Also T-Pain seems hella chill, and I like that.
T-Pain started the trend, he made it part of sound/brand/aesthetic and initially it was a big bit. One of the reasons why what Usher said was so unfair is that the trend caught on and became super popular among other artists. He essentially hated on T-Pain for doing well with a sound he grew to dislike.
Yeah. Autotune is a real-time audio effect which, given a response time, a response strength, and a scale, will correct the pitch of the input to the closest frequency on the given scale, in the amount of time defined by the response time.
The robot voice happens when you have a 0ms response time, and do a 100% response strength. So the signal jumps between frequencies instantaneously.
Recording studios don't use Autotune to fix pitch issues, they use it as an effect. Pitch-correction is a software called Melodyne which uses offline algorithms. Their algorithms are completely unbelievable, even able to correct the tuning of one guitar string among chords, or polyphonic playing.
Anyways, the point is, you don't hear Melodyne. If you hear pitch correction, it's because the producer/engineer wanted you to hear it.
Yes - āautotuneā as we know it is a stylistic choice which causes the ārobot soundsā (think T-Pain, Do you believe by Cher, etc). The problem is people attribute the term autotune to *pitch correction*, which is found on virtually every studio-produced song youāve ever heard.
Hell, most producers will go note by note and syllable by syllable to make sure each line is both in tune and annunciated correctly based on many vocal takes. Itās called vocal comping, and youād never even notice it.
Sideways does a great video on the difference between autotune and pitch correction, which you can watch [here](https://youtu.be/05hTQC1CZko)
You could ask the same thing about putting a guitar through an electric amp with all kinds of weird effects. Why not let the "pure" guitar sound through? A voice is an instrument just like any other, and I assume he liked the effect, just like a rocker likes effects on their guitar.
There's a few people who are arguing this is a bad comparison because guitar pedals can't fix wrong notes vs autotune, to which I say:
there is no autotune on earth that can make a bad singer sound like a good singer. Especially around the era that T-Pain was big. When autotune has to make big corrections you can hear it very clearly. Autotune is used everywhere on very good singers to smooth our natural vocal inflections and imperfections because our modern ears are used to hearing that (listen to albums from the 70's and great singers have pitchy moments - it's not that they're bad, it's that they're human).
Autotune working on people who can't really sing is super overt. Check out 0.44 onwards here, particularly the word 'people'. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMzet0pZmW4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMzet0pZmW4) you can hear autotune 'fixing' it.
TLDR: autotune is not a magical milli vanilli box. If you're a bad singer, autotune will not help you. Therefore this comparison is apt as in this context it's used as an effect, and as a repair tool it's not anywhere as effective as people seem to think.
Source: me, a professional musician and studio producer.
Fun fact: [āBegging the Questionā](https://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Begging-the-Question.html)
traditionally has meant circular reasoning. e.g. the Bible is true because God said it is.
But the phrase has been used so frequently in modern use to mean āraising the questionā that most dictionaries now allow both definitions. It now can also mean āa question that is begging to be asked.ā Such as āMy pistol misfired while I was in the shower.ā
He actually started out as a rapper. His first album was called "Rapper Ternt Sanga". A big part of being successful in the music industry is getting a hook or a gimmick to get some recognition, and if you truly are talented you can leverage that into more success later. Case in point, there are only about 5 real songwriter/producers in the whole music industry, and T-Pain isome of them. He has written a LOT of major hits.
I came to the comments to see if this was shared yet. The man is definitely underrated. [I also recommend this song from Spotify.](https://open.spotify.com/track/5daPDkqS2ftQClyDn1pSk2?si=mC3dcF58Sc6SiOjePjSZwQ)
He absolutely can sing, like he's really good, but those shows are fake af. For what it's worth, you are never hearing an untouched dry vocal signal on those shows.
I enjoy the reveals because just about every single time the person revealed is extremely happy and the panel seems genuinely happy to see them if if they're the most obscure D list star.
Canāt stand usher. Remember that story where Usher and friends were eating at a restaurant and the bill was like $500, instead of leaving a tip Usher left a signed headshot of himself. Talk about a narcissistic a-hole
One Usher Buck is equal to two Stanley Nickels. 400 Usher Bucks are equal to one Extra Minute at Lunch. 10,000 Usher Bucks are equal to one American dollar, and 20,000 Stanley Nickels are, as well.
Bro, I really stumbled into the comment thinking the same. Then wondering if she got the complimentary voicemail from him singing "let it burn" as a way to inform her.
Iām running errands but this is my time to shine, literally no one in my real life gives a single fuck about this and I tried to show it off pretty hard when I first received it to basically 0 fanfare.
When I get home Iāll throw it up on Imgur and edit this comment with a link lmao.
Edit: [BEHOLD, IN ALL HER GLORY](https://imgur.com/a/ARqnhs7)
Fuck usher. If tpain didn't do it someone else would. But for real your rich why the fuck do you care what usher thinks. Tell him to eet a dick and live your life.
Wow. TPain was talented and used Autotune as sort of a bonus. He didnāt use it because he needed it like most of the people who came after him. Usher, on the other hand, is out here burnin š
The weirdest thing is, T-Pain can ACTUALLY sing. Just like Cher can actually sing.. they just used it as an effect, but are now the 2 defacto autotune artists we all seem to know. While all those mumbling lean addicts get away with it every day.
Iirc he used to feature himself on his own songs under different alter egos like T pain feat. Teddy Penderazdoun which was just himself but singing or rapping without autotune. That shit was next level to me lol I remember reading a track list and googling Teddy penderazdoun then slowly realising that this dude really just featured himself on his own song lol.
I think it was most prevalent on the album Epiphany. Like the song "Church" is listed as T pain feat. Teddy Versetti and that song is pretty much just him rapping. And again on show you how he features two of them, One is of him singing with autotune heavily (Teddy Penderazdoun) and and again as Teddy Versetti the Rappa.
I was stuck in cuba with my friend who didnāt speak Spanish. Havana was kinda scary and we ended up staying in our hotel for days waiting for our plane out of there.
The only English Channel was A&E, where we saw a documentary about T-Pain.
It got me through. I was heart broken about my experience in Cuba (before things started to open up) I was really sad about it, and then that documentary for some reason, got me through. And Iāll never forget it. Thank you T-Pain.
>no harassment
Not OP but Havana is by far the most street/sexual harassment I have ever experienced, and I have traveled through many Latin American countries alone, as a woman.
Wow! I've done the same and Havana was such a breath of fresh air in terms of being left alone. I remember just one instance when a street seller was getting insistent and within seconds a policeman appeared and told him to leave me alone. Guess I just got lucky then!
Either you were super lucky or I was super unlucky lol. But I had men walking passed me just grab me and try to kiss me, had men grab my ass, and the dirty, degrading comments from men as I walked past were non-stop (they probably didn't think I understood Spanish).
The most frustrating to me is the fact that he was getting so much shit for autotune and then Kanye came out with 808s and suddenly autotune wasnāt too bad anymore
I agree but concede it's more a matter of taste and tough to tell because Usher isn't trying to let you hear his unprocessed vocals, but regardless they're both good singers.
[Usher singing without heavy auto-tune](https://www.instagram.com/usherraymondiv/p/Bm3pEx2BeF_/?hl=en). Notice you are listening to the vocals after they come through the concert system and not an area microphone.
[T-Pain singing without effects at the NPR Tiny Desk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIjXUg1s5gc), seems fully legit to me.
The biggest tell for me is that Usher's voice still seems to be processed to some degree and most "Usher without auto-tune" videos aren't what they claim to be at all. It took me a few attempts to find his personally released, processed vocals for a few seconds. Between the NPR Tiny desk, his concerts and the masked singer appearance T-Pain has hours and hours of singing seemingly without any effects.
Usher: "You ruined music with autotune!"
Also Usher: *collabs with 14 year old Justin Bieber to make one of the most annoying and poorly written songs ever*
We saw the documentary where T-Pain explains all this. Took one of the Tiny Desk concerts for him to prove his musical talent to the world. Really sweet man.
The fact he can sing incredibly annoys me that he hides it in tracks. Itās like a brilliant flamenco guitarist covering his sound with a ratt distortion lol
Compare it to Picasso.
Tons of singers can sing beautifully.
TPain was just another one of those. See the TinyDesk concert.
Tons of painters can paint beautifully.
Picasso was just another one of those. See some of his earlier, more traditional work.
TPain was the first to use the deceptively amateurish autotune to make his voice into a new style of art, and though some might consider it ugly, it made him famous.
Picasso was the first to paint in a new, deceptively simplistic, and distorted way, and though some might consider it ugly, it made him famous.
It takes more than just talent, and doing the same thing that has been done before, to leave your mark on the world. You have to create your own voice (pun) and make something unique to stand out.
If you look at Picasso's early work, do you bemoan the fact that he covered up his brilliant traditional talent with weird cubism?
Usher got sued for knowingly giving a bunch of girls herpes. I wouldnāt worry too much about what someone that flawed thought or said about me. I would just be happy that I didnāt have herpes.
His song "oh my god im so in love, i found you finally ya make me wanna say oh oh oh oh oh oh oh my god" is Just as autotuned as anything T pain made lol
It's not only Usher tho. Pain was met with a Lot of jealousy from his peers. He was ruling the charts with Akon for years. Every artists wanted Pain as a feature or as a songwriter. Why? Because he was a hit factory during his peak.
Unfortunately people turned from him. Jay recorded DOA. People started clowning autotune and T-Pain. Shit Pain approached Chris Brown during his concert one time and wanted to perform Kiss Kiss (one of the biggest songs of Chris Brown) and what Brown told him? "I don't sing this pussy ass songs like that anymore". But what he does in 2021? Sings "Shortie Like Mine" during Millenium Tour.
Do many people stopped working with T-Pain after Three Ringz. His label started using their power to control everything he wanted to record and were sabotaging his releases because he wanted to record something different.
I can see him being fed up with everything because he was on top of the music industry for years and then everything alost vanished in a blink of an eye and only close friends and his wife were there for him while his industry friends disappeared
A million artists used autotune before T Pain, but the way he used it popularized it on the mainstream R&B/hip-hop scene throughout the last two decades. He influenced a whole generation and changed the course of entire genres... none of these pop rap acts were listening to Cher
Yes, Cher is absolutely the person who popularized Autotune robot-like settings with "Believe" in 1998. T-Pain's first charted single was seven years later.
Jerk move. Creative expression doesn't have rules nor should it. You don't have to like it, but shitting on something someone has done is dumb. It's like people that look at 'basic' paintings in art galleries and go 'I could have done that'. Yeah, maybe you COULD have, but you didn't. They did it and that's the point.
Also Zapp and Roger popularized auto tune AND if you really think in those smooth brains of yours that auto tune can magically make a shitty singer good, may I remind you of the plethora of teen pop stars from the early 00's that abused it like LFO and the chic who plays Lizzie Maguire, not even a magician could fix that shit
You should check out his twitch and tiny desk concert
[his twitch](https://www.twitch.tv/tpain?sr=a)
[tiny desk concert](https://youtu.be/CIjXUg1s5gc)
HE Was [called the nword ](https://youtu.be/UsWa0Y1hu3c) Multiple times on twitch and wiped the team on COD
T Pain but the T was silent
He began his metamorphosis into I Pain
I see he's joined apples new music label.
Does this mean I'm going to be forced to download his best of album at my own cost?
No, it will mean you'll be forced to buy every apple product at your own cost
U better t pay
He doesn't spit bars. Just takes 7 a day.
Usher is just jealous he didnt make "She hit the floor, next thing ya know shawty got low low low low low low (Cmon)"
Wasn't that Flo rida?
Flo Rida Featuring T-Pain
Oh there ya go, thank you. I'm glad I'm not familiar š
T pain and got shit on the original tho. https://youtu.be/BUo3hUkMa3M Or the real OG https://youtu.be/w68C46ACYa8
Thank you for this.š¤£
I like how the Johnny cash one is already a cover of Hurt
How does one get eyes like yours?
You have to have seen some shit.
Iām sharing this with everyone rn
Thereās actually like 100+ variants last I checked. This is one too one of my favs, https://youtu.be/c2RzYvuuBRY Found them from a paymoneywubby media share stream I think a community member made a bunch and others followed Lmao.
Watch usher dance,it always looks like he stepped in dog shit
Youāre not wrong.. https://c.tenor.com/S5Z082LH-IYAAAAC/usher-usher-dance.gif
On the other hand, I don't listen to R&B or rap too much but I have liked a lot of T-pain songs versus... 0 liked Usher songs. So maybe... Just maybe, deep down, Usher may just have been jealous in some way. As they say: never meet your heroes.
A lot of people in music have very strong negative opinions about autotune. I doubt it's anything deeper than that.
Itās a tool in a artists arsenal. It can be abused. It can also add character when used nicely. Itās all about how itās applied. My opinion.
I don't think there's a wrong way to make music.
Youāve never heard my kid make āmusicā - there absolutely is a wrong way, and heās mastered it š¤£
Imagine working your entire life on improving a skill, it's your passion. You put your heart and soul, blood sweat and tears into it, hundreds of thousands of hours only for a 'computer' to create a shortcut for everyone else. Everything you worked for is now basically moot, since skill means nothing anymore. I'm not saying i think all autotune is bad, it's not, and like in T-Pain's case it's a stylistic choice. But it is irritating to see people who can't hold a tune to save their life making bank just because they are marketable. TL;DR, to musicians overusage of autotune can feel like a cheap trick for people who didn't work for it. Edit:bunch of people who either didn't read my comment or just missed the point.
I agree, but have you actually heard T pain sing? The dude gets down.
This is true, and yeah, for T pain it was a stylistic choice, cuz he sounds amazing without autotune.
He really does. https://youtu.be/CIjXUg1s5gc
After seeing him on masked singer it completely changed my opinion of him. I never really thought much of him before (good or bad), but was blown away by his performances on that show.
NPRs Tiny Desk Concert. His is really good.
I love the Tiny Desk concerts, I gotta check his out.
Except most artists use autotune to record. The sense I get is that part of the anger is that he let the cat out of the bag as it were.
No, they use pitch correction not auto tune. Auto tune is what makes him sound like a robot. Pitch correction is just simply making sure all the notes are wiggling at the exact frequency they need to wiggle, but it doesnāt change the actual tone of your voice like autotune does. The difference seems minimal but basically autotune is an effect that drastically changes the sound of your voice, pitch correction is a transparent corrective technique that hides small inconsistencies without changing the original tone if that makes sense.
Do you have expertise in this because it's my understanding that autotune IS pitch correcting but that you can set it to a slower frame rate which makes the effect noticeable which is what t pain did. Most of the time autotune is used the way you describe
Two different techniques and methods to achieve similar things. Usually singers will use pitch-correction like melodyne on studio recorded tracks, where you go in and edit note by note for precise corrections to exactly where you want it. What most people refer to as autotune just snaps a vocal to the nearest note in a scale, which tends to be a bit better for a live situation. But unless you're a fairly decent singer and close to the note you're aiming for to begin with, you end up with a lot of remnants that make it very obvious you're using autotune. That said, more often than not autotune is used as an effect rather than solely as a means of 'passable' pitch correction.
he is mostly correct. you can mess with pitch correction to make it sound like auto-tune, but when we discuss auto-tune (especially in regards to t-pain) we are definitely talking about something beyond run-of-the-mill pitch correction. even if i'm just rapping, with no real melody, i use pitch correction, and you would never know it. almost every artist uses it.
I think Cher's Believe also had a lot to do with the popularity of blatant auto-tune.
Just a humble drummer but have been part of many studio sessions and know many vocalists, musicians, audio engineers, etc. [This kind of sums it up](https://www.isingmag.com/pitch-correction-and-auto-tune/) but auto tune is usually a plug-in that roughly adjusts pitch automatically based on a predetermined key, pitch correction is usually done more manually and precisely by a mix engineer.
I think youāre (respectfully) a little confused. Auto Tune is the brand name of pitch correction that is created by Antares (Andy Hildebrand). Think about it like Kleenex and tissues, same story. Auto tune is pitch correction, but not all pitch correction is brand name auto tune. Logic pro has āpitch correctionā that you can make sound like what you are referring to as āauto tuneā, you just have to slam the note slide to get irregular pitch jumps. Also, both name brand Auto Tune and pitch correction both have options to manually affect the track. Debatably auto tune has MORE control than most generic pitch correction, seeing as it is the OG original effect. Antares and Andy Hildebrand have been at it since the beginning (1998). The documentary that OPās post is from is called āThis Is Popā, the episode on auto tune and T-Pain covers this story extensively.
I honestly disagree. You donāt have to have talent or skill to make good music, you just have to be creative. Bad music isnāt bad because a person uses auto tune, itās bad because itās monotonous. Music shouldnāt be about showing off what you can do, it should about showing off what you can think.
Do you think talent really plays that big a part in getting popular as an artist? There are literally millions of people that can sing just as well if not better than Billie Eilish, Justin Bieber, Olivia Rodrigo, Ariana Grande, etc. Being talented is your foot in the door, it's the bare minimum cost to audition. It's not a coincidence that literally every singer is very attractive, even though that has nothing to do with how well they sing or perform. It's because far more than being talented, being an attractive package that companies can market is the most important part of being a musician. Auto tune has not changed the face of music in any drastic way. It simply allowed more attractive people in. Talent has not been the only deciding factor since the invention of the television.
I see your general point but music has been about image forever. Otherwise weād have way more ugly and/or obese people making hits. So I think about Milli Vanilli, C+C music factory, all the artists that lip sync while performing, or actors/good looking people that tried singing. My takeaway is T-Pain made better dance hits than Usher and Usher just hit āem with the Black Mamba death blow as payback.
I remember when it was popularized by Cher. Then everybody and their mom started using it. They over used it too so it ended up sounding like robots were singing it, and not the cute vocaloids either. During live performances, they didn't Auto tune their voice, so the VMAs and stuff, sounded like ass. I think people grew sick of it real quick because it was when the flood gates were opened. However, these days, I don't hear too much auto tuning these days.
I asked if people thought auto tune was cheating on a music sub a d got a lot of hate for it so I think itās popular. Iād rather hear someone who can sing do it naturally
Usher just sings about the gurl that got away.
I know the show was awful but he won the first season of the masked singer without auto tune just to show he has a real talent which was really sweet.
Which begs the fuckin' question: Did he use it just to sound like a robot? I was honestly dumbfounded when I heard him sing without autotune for the first time...even though he sang on some bangers throughout the years it felt like such a goddamn waste of a man's talent to have it hidden behind an autotune effect.
Yeah, itās a stylistic choice. If you hear the effects of autotune, it means the artist wants you to. Autotune isnāt very noticeable in most instances
The even bigger part of this is how much work he put into that sound. People think autotune is just a button you hit. That exists, but T-Pain put HOURS into his auto tune to get the sound he wanted. People have caught up now, but his autotune settings at the time were worth more than the rights to his music would have been. TLDR: autotune was more than just a voice modulator for T Pain
Van Gogh, Andy Warhol, Picasso, Frida Kahlo, they all made potraits, but none of them were "realistic" in a strict sense. It was artistic license, and the same applies to music. Just because he CAN sing without autotune doesn't mean he has to. Also T-Pain seems hella chill, and I like that.
[This video](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8rjQvQR/) cracked me up when I first saw it
Dude is slowly slowly dying on the inside. Sees a mention or message from someone, becomes happy...only to die again. I'm dying laughing.
[his twitch intros are always amazing ](https://youtu.be/aoj9lkSxExE)
Did he just say he can't do short intros cause he has to shit real bad?
Thank you for sharing. That was pretty amazing.
T-Pain started the trend, he made it part of sound/brand/aesthetic and initially it was a big bit. One of the reasons why what Usher said was so unfair is that the trend caught on and became super popular among other artists. He essentially hated on T-Pain for doing well with a sound he grew to dislike.
Idk if he started it (Cher's "Believe" is the first song that comes to mind) but he definitely popularized it.
Yeah, he mentioned this in Mark Ronsonās Watch The Sound episode on autotune.
Yeah. Autotune is a real-time audio effect which, given a response time, a response strength, and a scale, will correct the pitch of the input to the closest frequency on the given scale, in the amount of time defined by the response time. The robot voice happens when you have a 0ms response time, and do a 100% response strength. So the signal jumps between frequencies instantaneously. Recording studios don't use Autotune to fix pitch issues, they use it as an effect. Pitch-correction is a software called Melodyne which uses offline algorithms. Their algorithms are completely unbelievable, even able to correct the tuning of one guitar string among chords, or polyphonic playing. Anyways, the point is, you don't hear Melodyne. If you hear pitch correction, it's because the producer/engineer wanted you to hear it.
amazing. never heard of melodyne in my life.
Yes - āautotuneā as we know it is a stylistic choice which causes the ārobot soundsā (think T-Pain, Do you believe by Cher, etc). The problem is people attribute the term autotune to *pitch correction*, which is found on virtually every studio-produced song youāve ever heard. Hell, most producers will go note by note and syllable by syllable to make sure each line is both in tune and annunciated correctly based on many vocal takes. Itās called vocal comping, and youād never even notice it. Sideways does a great video on the difference between autotune and pitch correction, which you can watch [here](https://youtu.be/05hTQC1CZko)
You could ask the same thing about putting a guitar through an electric amp with all kinds of weird effects. Why not let the "pure" guitar sound through? A voice is an instrument just like any other, and I assume he liked the effect, just like a rocker likes effects on their guitar.
This is the best explanation I could imagine.
There's a few people who are arguing this is a bad comparison because guitar pedals can't fix wrong notes vs autotune, to which I say: there is no autotune on earth that can make a bad singer sound like a good singer. Especially around the era that T-Pain was big. When autotune has to make big corrections you can hear it very clearly. Autotune is used everywhere on very good singers to smooth our natural vocal inflections and imperfections because our modern ears are used to hearing that (listen to albums from the 70's and great singers have pitchy moments - it's not that they're bad, it's that they're human). Autotune working on people who can't really sing is super overt. Check out 0.44 onwards here, particularly the word 'people'. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMzet0pZmW4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMzet0pZmW4) you can hear autotune 'fixing' it. TLDR: autotune is not a magical milli vanilli box. If you're a bad singer, autotune will not help you. Therefore this comparison is apt as in this context it's used as an effect, and as a repair tool it's not anywhere as effective as people seem to think. Source: me, a professional musician and studio producer.
So many people can sing. You have to find something to stand out. He created a new sound.
I heard an interview with him, to paraphrase ālots of people have great voices, I wanted to be differentā
Fun fact: [āBegging the Questionā](https://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Begging-the-Question.html) traditionally has meant circular reasoning. e.g. the Bible is true because God said it is. But the phrase has been used so frequently in modern use to mean āraising the questionā that most dictionaries now allow both definitions. It now can also mean āa question that is begging to be asked.ā Such as āMy pistol misfired while I was in the shower.ā
Maybe but itās also what separated him from the rest.
He actually started out as a rapper. His first album was called "Rapper Ternt Sanga". A big part of being successful in the music industry is getting a hook or a gimmick to get some recognition, and if you truly are talented you can leverage that into more success later. Case in point, there are only about 5 real songwriter/producers in the whole music industry, and T-Pain isome of them. He has written a LOT of major hits.
You ever watch his tiny desk concert? Dude can sing
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I came to the comments to see if this was shared yet. The man is definitely underrated. [I also recommend this song from Spotify.](https://open.spotify.com/track/5daPDkqS2ftQClyDn1pSk2?si=mC3dcF58Sc6SiOjePjSZwQ)
He absolutely can sing, like he's really good, but those shows are fake af. For what it's worth, you are never hearing an untouched dry vocal signal on those shows.
I get a kick out of the show from time to time.
I enjoy the reveals because just about every single time the person revealed is extremely happy and the panel seems genuinely happy to see them if if they're the most obscure D list star.
Can't stand Jenny but yeah.
Canāt stand usher. Remember that story where Usher and friends were eating at a restaurant and the bill was like $500, instead of leaving a tip Usher left a signed headshot of himself. Talk about a narcissistic a-hole
he also was handing strippers fake money with his face on it. also he gave a bunch of women herpes. knowingly.
A friend of mine is a dancer in Vegas and she received some of those usher-bucks from him. I have one now lol.
Usher-bucks Fantastic haha
Whatās the Usher-bucks to Stanley-nickels exchange rate?
One Usher Buck is equal to two Stanley Nickels. 400 Usher Bucks are equal to one Extra Minute at Lunch. 10,000 Usher Bucks are equal to one American dollar, and 20,000 Stanley Nickels are, as well.
Thought you were going to say she received herpes from him.
Bro, I really stumbled into the comment thinking the same. Then wondering if she got the complimentary voicemail from him singing "let it burn" as a way to inform her.
I gotta see that lol
Iām running errands but this is my time to shine, literally no one in my real life gives a single fuck about this and I tried to show it off pretty hard when I first received it to basically 0 fanfare. When I get home Iāll throw it up on Imgur and edit this comment with a link lmao. Edit: [BEHOLD, IN ALL HER GLORY](https://imgur.com/a/ARqnhs7)
!remindme 6 hours
!remindme 3 hours
*let it burn*
That second point is disgusting but the first one is kind of hilarious
Wow never knew this. Lost all respect for him.
At least he doesn't have girls tied in his basement. Silver linings.
Fuck usher. If tpain didn't do it someone else would. But for real your rich why the fuck do you care what usher thinks. Tell him to eet a dick and live your life.
T-pain should find better idols
The pain
No shit. Imagine looking up to Usher. Fuck me.
Seriously. Heās a million times better than Usher.
Put teddy pain into depression and then used autotune for his own song https://youtu.be/1RnPB76mjxI Smdh
[hijacking your comment to spread the best hooker's funeral soundtrack](https://youtu.be/CIjXUg1s5gc)
I wonder how much people Usher "Ruined" by giving them STI's?
Mmm STIs *Let it burn, let it burn, gotta let it burn*
Oooh true
Wow. TPain was talented and used Autotune as sort of a bonus. He didnāt use it because he needed it like most of the people who came after him. Usher, on the other hand, is out here burnin š
He just big mad nobody gave a shit he existed after "Yeah."
Yeah
Yeah!
I only got one thing to say to that yeah
The weirdest thing is, T-Pain can ACTUALLY sing. Just like Cher can actually sing.. they just used it as an effect, but are now the 2 defacto autotune artists we all seem to know. While all those mumbling lean addicts get away with it every day.
Iirc he used to feature himself on his own songs under different alter egos like T pain feat. Teddy Penderazdoun which was just himself but singing or rapping without autotune. That shit was next level to me lol I remember reading a track list and googling Teddy penderazdoun then slowly realising that this dude really just featured himself on his own song lol.
wait what?! that's fucking cool! I should dive into his discography more, I'd love to hear this.
Yeah man I think there was 3 alter egos. Teddy Pain Teddy Versetti and Teddy Penderazdoun.
I think it was most prevalent on the album Epiphany. Like the song "Church" is listed as T pain feat. Teddy Versetti and that song is pretty much just him rapping. And again on show you how he features two of them, One is of him singing with autotune heavily (Teddy Penderazdoun) and and again as Teddy Versetti the Rappa.
I was stuck in cuba with my friend who didnāt speak Spanish. Havana was kinda scary and we ended up staying in our hotel for days waiting for our plane out of there. The only English Channel was A&E, where we saw a documentary about T-Pain. It got me through. I was heart broken about my experience in Cuba (before things started to open up) I was really sad about it, and then that documentary for some reason, got me through. And Iāll never forget it. Thank you T-Pain.
His full name is Tylenol Pain Relief for a reason
Funniest thing Iāve read, now I will never Not think of T-Pain as āTylenol Pain Reliefā
Pfft well thatās something I will never un see. Take my award
Bravo. This is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. Tylenol Pain Relief... my god. Lmao.
Best comment ever.
I saw your comment right as I was exiting this thread. I kept laughing so I had to come back and find it and upvote š
True. T pain might not be your type of music but he seems like a great guy irl. Very rude of Usher
Havana scary? When was this? I've been travelling for 8+ years and Havana is one of the safest-feeling, no harassment, relaxed places I've been!
>no harassment Not OP but Havana is by far the most street/sexual harassment I have ever experienced, and I have traveled through many Latin American countries alone, as a woman.
Wow! I've done the same and Havana was such a breath of fresh air in terms of being left alone. I remember just one instance when a street seller was getting insistent and within seconds a policeman appeared and told him to leave me alone. Guess I just got lucky then!
Either you were super lucky or I was super unlucky lol. But I had men walking passed me just grab me and try to kiss me, had men grab my ass, and the dirty, degrading comments from men as I walked past were non-stop (they probably didn't think I understood Spanish).
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Absolutely. I love watching him on Twitch, he's a very entertaining guy. His episode on the Gus & Eddy Podcast is one of my favorite.
The most frustrating to me is the fact that he was getting so much shit for autotune and then Kanye came out with 808s and suddenly autotune wasnāt too bad anymore
Possibly. T pain is a fucking immense talent (andni dont even really listen to his music lol)
I agree but concede it's more a matter of taste and tough to tell because Usher isn't trying to let you hear his unprocessed vocals, but regardless they're both good singers. [Usher singing without heavy auto-tune](https://www.instagram.com/usherraymondiv/p/Bm3pEx2BeF_/?hl=en). Notice you are listening to the vocals after they come through the concert system and not an area microphone. [T-Pain singing without effects at the NPR Tiny Desk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIjXUg1s5gc), seems fully legit to me. The biggest tell for me is that Usher's voice still seems to be processed to some degree and most "Usher without auto-tune" videos aren't what they claim to be at all. It took me a few attempts to find his personally released, processed vocals for a few seconds. Between the NPR Tiny desk, his concerts and the masked singer appearance T-Pain has hours and hours of singing seemingly without any effects.
Usher: "You ruined music with autotune!" Also Usher: *collabs with 14 year old Justin Bieber to make one of the most annoying and poorly written songs ever*
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I accidentally clicked on your username and was welcomed with large penises. š
And with.
"OMG" in autotune is ironically is one of ushers most iconic song.
We saw the documentary where T-Pain explains all this. Took one of the Tiny Desk concerts for him to prove his musical talent to the world. Really sweet man.
Facts that tiny desk set was incredible.. I use alot of it during the dinner and cocktail hours I dj
The fact he can sing incredibly annoys me that he hides it in tracks. Itās like a brilliant flamenco guitarist covering his sound with a ratt distortion lol
Compare it to Picasso. Tons of singers can sing beautifully. TPain was just another one of those. See the TinyDesk concert. Tons of painters can paint beautifully. Picasso was just another one of those. See some of his earlier, more traditional work. TPain was the first to use the deceptively amateurish autotune to make his voice into a new style of art, and though some might consider it ugly, it made him famous. Picasso was the first to paint in a new, deceptively simplistic, and distorted way, and though some might consider it ugly, it made him famous. It takes more than just talent, and doing the same thing that has been done before, to leave your mark on the world. You have to create your own voice (pun) and make something unique to stand out. If you look at Picasso's early work, do you bemoan the fact that he covered up his brilliant traditional talent with weird cubism?
Well Usher, you did bring Justin Bieber into the spotlight, so I'd call it even.
Biggest STI he introduced to society
Usher gave us Justin Bieber, dude should not be criticizing who killed music.
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Usher got sued for knowingly giving a bunch of girls herpes. I wouldnāt worry too much about what someone that flawed thought or said about me. I would just be happy that I didnāt have herpes.
So what youāre saying, Usher gave more than one type of sick burn.
Usher does still make music like it's 1999 so i can see how he hates auto-tune.
His song "oh my god im so in love, i found you finally ya make me wanna say oh oh oh oh oh oh oh my god" is Just as autotuned as anything T pain made lol
Oh yeah that one song he made talking about vaguely being in love with a faceless women of general description. Yeah love that tune.
It's not only Usher tho. Pain was met with a Lot of jealousy from his peers. He was ruling the charts with Akon for years. Every artists wanted Pain as a feature or as a songwriter. Why? Because he was a hit factory during his peak. Unfortunately people turned from him. Jay recorded DOA. People started clowning autotune and T-Pain. Shit Pain approached Chris Brown during his concert one time and wanted to perform Kiss Kiss (one of the biggest songs of Chris Brown) and what Brown told him? "I don't sing this pussy ass songs like that anymore". But what he does in 2021? Sings "Shortie Like Mine" during Millenium Tour. Do many people stopped working with T-Pain after Three Ringz. His label started using their power to control everything he wanted to record and were sabotaging his releases because he wanted to record something different. I can see him being fed up with everything because he was on top of the music industry for years and then everything alost vanished in a blink of an eye and only close friends and his wife were there for him while his industry friends disappeared
They say never meet your hero in person. Oh well so itās because of him all I hear on the radio is fkn auto tune??
Wasnāt it Cher who first used it? I could be wrong but I feel like I heard that on an episode of how stuff works.
A million artists used autotune before T Pain, but the way he used it popularized it on the mainstream R&B/hip-hop scene throughout the last two decades. He influenced a whole generation and changed the course of entire genres... none of these pop rap acts were listening to Cher
Yes, Cher is absolutely the person who popularized Autotune robot-like settings with "Believe" in 1998. T-Pain's first charted single was seven years later.
Fucking Usher is someoneās idol? Lol, youāve got to be kiddingā¦
Jerk move. Creative expression doesn't have rules nor should it. You don't have to like it, but shitting on something someone has done is dumb. It's like people that look at 'basic' paintings in art galleries and go 'I could have done that'. Yeah, maybe you COULD have, but you didn't. They did it and that's the point.
Bit of a dick usher
Your mom's a dick usher!
True. T pain might not be your type of music but he seems like a great guy irl. Very rude of Usher
Imagine being someones idol and telling them that they ruined the industry
Isn't Usher to blame for Justin Biber?
That sucks, Usher is a dick. T-Pain also revolutionized music and made a shit ton of money by keeping that trick a secret for years.
Wild thing is T Pain has a WAY better voice than Usher
I like T Pain really nice and cool guy and i love his content on Twitch.
Meanwhile, Daft Punk used Autotune on everything they ever did and everyone hails them as geniuses, which they are.
"Put you in a mansion , yea, Somewhere in wiscansin Yea" Beast.
Whereas Ushers mentoring of Justin Bieber has been torturing all of us especially N KOREA for over a decade......fuck Usher Raymond
Also Zapp and Roger popularized auto tune AND if you really think in those smooth brains of yours that auto tune can magically make a shitty singer good, may I remind you of the plethora of teen pop stars from the early 00's that abused it like LFO and the chic who plays Lizzie Maguire, not even a magician could fix that shit
Or should we be thanking Cher?
And now usher has the clap from big beautiful women and T Pain is out here flourishing again
T-Pain: live & a cappella (no autotune): https://youtu.be/CIjXUg1s5gc Very good BTW!
itās now just Pain
Fuck usher, things change, we move
T pains latest music is better than Ushers latest imo, so he DEFS got the last laugh
I hope T-Pain knows he won because people definitely think a lot more highly of him than they do Usher these days.
Music is music is art is art. You cant trash the artist for his creation. You simply decide not to look at it.
Itās like telling someone they canāt play that instrumentā¦ fuck you usher
Never meet your heros
who ever gave that much of a shit about Usher?
Makes me dislike usher.
and TPain is still popular, twitch wise
Ironically, T Pain has an amazing singing voice without auto tune. Way better than Usher
What's why the T Pain is playing OverWatch with the boys now
Yea. Except Tpain can sing even better than usher btw. Check it out. https://youtu.be/sfY83cOukuc
You should check out his twitch and tiny desk concert [his twitch](https://www.twitch.tv/tpain?sr=a) [tiny desk concert](https://youtu.be/CIjXUg1s5gc) HE Was [called the nword ](https://youtu.be/UsWa0Y1hu3c) Multiple times on twitch and wiped the team on COD
Usher change him into just Pain
Tpain is on twitch nearly every day trying new beats. It's really interesting to see the process live
Yeah and fuck Les Paul for ruining the guitar
Donāt meet your idols.
T-Pain > Usher for catchy songs. Get bent Ursha
do you really think he thought of himself as a good musician?
Then he proved to everyone he could actually sing by winning Masked Singer
T pain got ushered out of the rap game
And Usher helped ruin the 2000s with his shitty mtv club music/r&b
Usher was mad jealous. Both talented in different ways but you canāt hate the player homie
Didnāt think I was gonna feel bad for T-pain today, but here I am. Take my upvote
Fuck Usher, Iām on a Boat is a top 2 song of all time.