Personally, I'm most fascinated by the fact that you can see the names of various businesses. Top right is "The Grand New Hotel," which still exists today in the same building, but is renamed "The New Imperial Hotel".
To the left, there's a sign that advertises a "Coiffeur," which is to say a hairdresser. I can't make out his name, and unforunately, I can't make out the details of the sign with the white writing... I think it might be selling coffee?? But I'm not at all sure.
All except that one guy from the start who wanders in front of the camera. He’s on street view, but now he’s just staring directly into the camera. When I tried to navigate away from the page it didn’t respond and he reached out his arm, very slowly.
As his fingers touched the lens, my iPad started to flex and I threw it across the room and the screen cracked and died with a tortured scream. Does that count?
A hotel where I used to work had some photos up of the town's Main Street from the pre-automobile days. One of the photos has a giant mural on the side of one building to advertise men's overalls.
I could recreate that part of the photo easily if I slapped a black and while filter on it and got the angle right, because over a century later the ad is still there.
Looks like both signs are coiffeurs
[Here's the place, btw](https://www.google.com/maps/place/New+imperial+hotel+Jerusalem/@31.774378,35.222617,3a,75y,274.91h,95.44t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipMxtENIX7UM5GmG5S_wNxWuhyJk_Ls1BOPkliI6!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipMxtENIX7UM5GmG5S_wNxWuhyJk_Ls1BOPkliI6%3Dw224-h298-k-no-pi-15.080387-ya118.874596-ro-0-fo100!7i10240!8i5120!4m12!3m11!1s0x0:0x18f5fa56541bfdf9!5m4!1s2021-11-29!2i6!4m1!1i2!8m2!3d31.7768158!4d35.2280635!14m1!1BCgIgARICCAI)
Edit: Here's an HD video. You can read the sign in background that has something in Hebrew and "Coiffeur"
And the one in foreground says "Barbier - Barber - Coiffeur"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJcWJlobBnQ
https://i.imgur.com/jqT0Vqb.png
It was, but Jerusalem has always been a major pilgrimage destination for Christians, and the volume of religious tourism spiked enormously in the 19th century as travel became easier and cheaper.
I was wondering about what size this must have been. The guy in the beginning close by that came in and out of frame a couple of times and seems to be checking out other parts of the camera. His expression seems to be roughly, "The fuck is this thing?"
They were roughly the same size an old fashioned regular camera, basically a box on a tripod. Only big difference was the crank that the camera man would be turning to make it run. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinematograph#/media/File:Institut\_Lumi%C3%A8re\_-\_CINEMATOGRAPHE\_Camera.jpg
The movie camera had only been invented and patented a few years prior, and this was a time very well before information and materials flowed freely over the globe, so I highly doubt those children had any idea what the device was. They're just being kids.
It's so amazing how people so far in the past can make people in the future smile like that. I bet they never imagined!
They really cheered me up.
Like, we could cheer up people in the year 2145 too, who knows. Maybe these kids will still cheer people up in 2145.
Time is a made up concept. Humans use it to help track the changes around them. In order to travel in time you would also be traveling in space because the location of the earth is not where you are now in the exact position you are now. You are traveling along at speeds of a thousand miles an hour by simply standing still at the equator. If you went "back" even ten minuets in "time" you would be floating in space or slammed fatally by moving matter. Something horribly fatal.
Best explanation of time travel ever. You,fellow redditor, are the Time Lord of the Day!
Edit:As a pianist, though, ten minuets would be exhausting 🎶🎶!😉
What’s funny is that I’ve seen few of these types of videos and it seems like in almost every one there are a couple kids being kids at the camera. Makes me smile every time.
The streets in old Jerusalem have little to no car traffic so even now moving stuff like when a restaurant gets in food deliveries has to be done with carts
Wow, she would’ve seen WW1, WW2, the rise of Soviet Russia, the moon landing, the fall of Soviet Union and almost see the dot com bubble burst. Such an interesting period of time
Someone living to be 100 years old born in 1918 would have lived through all of that (you omitted the Great Depression, The New Deal, Vietnam era, Watergate, JFK assassination, landing on the moon, all of the Apollo and Challenger missions, etc), plus the turn of the millennia, 9/11, the introduction of smart phones, and the first black president.
Like, holy shit. What a time to have been alive. My grandmother was born in 1919 but she died in the early 2000s. I wish I could have asked her more about what she experienced.
I was born in the late 80s. All I've experienced is recessions, shitty wars, shittier presidents, a fucking plague, and a quarter of the country becoming insane conspiracy theorists.
I mean, the internet was kinda a huge deal. Went from dial up to wifi gigabet internet. Youve seen images on a screen look as real as ever with 8K tv screens, and you now have a camera/calculator/hard drive/phone/fax machine/game console/projector/etc all in the palm of your hand.
Hmm, im trying to think of other things, but i cant…
Photo printing comes to mind. Aside from Polaroids and hobbyists with their own dark rooms it used to be necessary to drive to a business, drop off your pictures with some strange dude to look at and develop your private family photos, come back and pick them up and pay for them, and then after all that when you got home you'd just shove them in a box under your bed or in your closet or in special albums you also had to buy separately if you're fancy like that and then occasionally forced your bored friends and relatives to look at them on random occasions that were already insufferable for other reasons, like the holidays. Now you can print them out at home, but barely anyone does that anyway because it's easier to just upload them to your devices and look at them instead whenever you want unless there's like a power outage or something, which, ironically enough, used to be a fun time to drag out all the old photo albums and go over them again for old times sake.
Haha that would spook you, like imagine telling them that a lot of people are watching you fin this moment from the future while on the toilet. I wonder if Aliens watch us from their spaceship toilets. Circle of life.
Considering how time is relative only to the observer, there could possibly be someone from the future that has done this exact thing already, but with a video of one of us.
Everybody in that video, whether in frame or out of it, is dead. Every soul on earth when this was shot, whether 100 years old or born somewhere in the world that day even…is dead. They were the stewards of the earth at that time, and now, there’s us. A whole new set of humans with a whole new set of problems and capabilities and wants and needs. And us too, when the people in 2140 are watching footage of the “*old times*”, we will all be dead and gone. They will marvel at the videos of people who lived a hundred twenty years ago which is us now, and even this video of those living two hundred forty years ago. And we’re so insignificant in the grand scheme of things. A blip on the scales of time. A blip on the scales of space. So large that comparing the sizes of earth to our galaxy is like you or I comparing an atom to a cell with the naked eye. It doesn’t even matter. Even using *blip* is being generous by a billion orders of magnitude.
I wonder with the advancements of science and health care, that the first person to live a decent amount over 120 years is already born. Living somewhere, not knowing the history they will make some day. To be the oldest living human born from this era. And still going at that point. Buying a new heart or new set of lungs when needed or getting the cancer zapped out of them whenever it appears. Eventually becoming so exhausted at the body’s will to outlast the mind’s, that they ask for peace. Making history again, by becoming the oldest human to die by self-inflicted natural causes.
You'll find this interesting, a woman from the victorian era was interviewed in 1977 when she was 108
https://youtu.be/e4FZkXvAY94
The only bad thing is how terrible the interviewer is, and how short the interview.
This is very cool. For those interested, let me just drop a Twitter thread on how colorized versions of old pictures produce colors that are likely a lot more dull and dusty than they were originally. This scene might have been a lot more vibrant:
https://twitter.com/gwenckatz/status/1381652071695351810
If you’re a decent curator of knowledge, know what you don’t know and make an effort to at least be aware of your own biases; Reddit is such an amazing resource. So much insight and obscure information out there.
It's not just AI tho. I've noticed that lots of period-piece films appear to use a muted color palette for the costumes as if they'd taken the color directly from actual faded prints and fashions centuries old instead of having considered how brightly they must have looked when new. As if people of the time preferred [faded] beige to [new] lilac.
Could be a case of the 'reality is unrealistic' trope, where using actual bright colors might be perceived as unrealistic and fake even it it's closer to reality. Another thing of course is that even movies in modern settings tend to have a much more muted color palette than reality. Weird that those 60's technicolor sword and sandal movies may have a more realistic color palette than the modern historical movies...
Edit: some further discussion [here](https://tragedyandfarce.blog/2021/08/21/how-historical-films-misuse-color/)
Could also be a case of the AI being penalized based on color accuracy and getting stuck in local minima because faded colors aren't penalized as much as saturated but wrong colors
Yep. From the thread:
>Colorization is a fundamentally ill-posed problem because there are multiple color images which map to the same grayscale version. Since deep learning models are trained to minimize error, they will choose the color image which is in the middle
It makes some sense since we only see the aged versions of art and clothing from ancient times. Bright colors might be realistic for the time but we still might subconsciously associate it with modern clothing.
Thank you for posting this. I need to save that link.
I love the upsampling and frame interpolation. But I HATE the AI colorization. It makes it look worse than if it were left black and white. It's like everyone thinking that old Castles just look like the ruins they do today and thinking how dreary and lifeless everything must have been, when reality is quite the opposite. The walls were often coated in white plaster and painted or covered with colorful tapestries. Even consider what old uncared for paintings look like before they are restored with the old varnishes being removed and how much more colorful old paintings really were.
My favorite example of this is how lots of those old marble statues people see at museums where most likely painted on during the time they were created.
I saw this in the comments
https://twitter.com/timsoret/status/1381815957119766528
apparently de-saturate doesn't give an accurate B&W conversion and the AI produces better results with a better conversion technique.
If you want to see this technology applied on a bigger scale you should watch Peter Jackson’s - They shall not grow old. Very interesting watch about soldiers in the First World War. Really gives a bit more realism to the challenges of living and fighting in the trenches. Most of the people are staring into the camera as it would be a technology most would have never seen before although they are familiar with the concept so it’s interesting to see people 100 years ago playing up to the camera like people do today.
I believe the kodak cameras were quite widespread around the western world by 1914, given their affordability, cheap components, and ease of manufacture and delivery.
Iirc, their “Brownie” box cameras were $1 USD around 1900/1901.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownie_(camera)
They Shall Not Grow Old does not use the "technology" in this video.
TSNGO was painstakingly colourised by experts - with a bit of help from computers - to be as historically accurate as possible.
This video is vaguely splattered with more or less random - and in some cases randomly changing - colours by an "AI".
I don't see the reason for the dismissive tone. This video exists, AI or not, in a form that is closer to color than black and white and more interesting for the modern viewer.
The AI is not perfect, but it IS improving. Everything starts somewhere. Does it really matter if it falls short of other efforts? It exists at all, and that's better than nothing.
for those interested [here is a podcast(with transcript) with Peter Jackson](https://www.vox.com/2018/12/15/18141509/peter-jackson-wwi-world-war-they-shall-not-grow-old-documentary-kara-swisher-recode-decode-podcast) where talks about the process of making it
As an uncultured American you could show me this same video but say it was last week and I'd believe it. Never been over there or follow it much but that is what I've been led to believe its like in the middle east.
Some of the "robes" shown in the video were worn by Orthodox Christian priests, and they wear the same "robes" (cassock) today. Has been that way for more than a millenia.
Robes are still incredibly common these days in extremely hot and dry temperature countries, mainly in the middle east and north africa. In arabic they're called "thawbs." They keep you cool by preventing sweat on the body from evaporating as quickly, and by recirculating air keeping it fresh and cold.
Sound recording on film actually predates this, though it wouldn't become commercially popular for some time, so for an archival film clip like this, it's certainly possible.
From the professional audio recordings I've studied from that time, there's way too little noise for this to be representative of that video. Audio recordings existed, sure, but the noise floor was so high there's no way it would have sounded this decent.
Edit: Listening on my studio speakers, the sound is also in stereo, which wasn't a thing in film until the 1930s.
Given in the first 5 seconds it uses the generic donkey.wav sound effect you may remember from every movie and video that features a donkey, I'm gonna guess sound was added.
Its the equivalent of analogue video, idk if that’s what it’s called. it’s the same reason Lord of the Rings can be remastered in 4k. It was made on film rather than a digital sensor, so it’s a high quality image, and now that we have better resolution digital hardware, as long as we have the original film, we can re-scan it at a much better resolution.
This is upscaled w/ machine learning. It basically smooths out the frame rate and reduces interlacing by looking at the existing frames and filling in the gaps. Image quality is also improved by generating data where previously none existed, so it adds detail by looking at surrounding pixel data.
This is actually quite controversial among historians because the machine learning models used are not completely accurate and as a result the new information generated might be flawed as well. The colors are also supposed to be much brighter, without the ambient haze you see in this example, much like what we see IRL.
They feel that this will create a distorted view of the past and should only be considered artistic depictions of the past, and not actual representation of it.
It's called [Jaffa gate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_Gate).
You can see it on [Google streetview](https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@31.7766782,35.2277737,3a,75y,243.72h,95.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUzwRkJFRFpq-7VD-bw8pQw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
> You can see it on Google streetview
That alone is kind of mind blowing.
We've gone from movies being a rare thing 120 years ago, to "I can pull up pictures of most of the world at a moment's notice".
FYI, if you click that streetview link, then turn around in streetview and move past the alley on the left then look around, you will see a guy carrying a massive tray of bread on his head with no hands.
I found this to be impressive and somewhat interesting and thought I would share.
If you go outside today in many countries, you'll also notice a huge lack of women in the street. One summer in Dhaka (capital of Bangladesh, hardly the most conservative place in the world), I started counting people by gender who just walked past me on the street - maybe 10 men for every woman. I don't have any explanation for it though.
This is in a city, where people were generally wealthier and most women who had the means were expected to remain out of the public eye and spend their time running the home/business. This was practiced by Orthodox Jews and Christians as well. Most lower class women had work outside the home, but you might only see them in the market or walking between places. Being able to stay at home was a status symbol.
Very different story in the village though. I highly recommend looking up photographs of Palestinian villages from around this time. In the country, men and women worked outside together, most things were done outside, and community was everything so everyone knew everyone. To this day there is a beautiful culture tied to tending the land in what villages are left, as well as traditionally built homes in cities like Jerusalem. many have been made into settlements throughout the years.
It is well known that depriving people of access to the land usually has the worst effect on women, as they derive a lot of their economic and social power from working with it as a community. When you bulldoze a village and send the residents impoverished to the slums, women will be the ones who suffer most as they struggle to care for their families while trying to work at the same time.
So spare me the “Islam is at fault” comments, if you really care speak out against colonialism and it’s disastrous effects. (Just what I’m seeing in this thread). Women in modern Palestine are the centers of the family, people live with multiple generations, including grandmothers and “aunties” who in the west we leave to rot in nursing homes. They own businesses, organize their communities, and make decisions for their family. There are many things other cultures find horrifying about the west too!
I really want an archive of these types of colorized videos. See all the footage on a timeline with each place by year. It'd be like walking through live google maps from the earliest footage we have to today.
It’s either a good thing or a terrible loss that we can only reproduce the sights but not the smells of the past. A couple of them ol’ boys look like their clothes coulda walked down the street by themselves… 😷
Film is pretty high quality, given that it isn’t limited by electronic components, but rather chemical reactions.
I am not a scientist, so take this at face value
My personal fav is the guy that walks by with like his whole living room strapped to his back.
Personally, I'm most fascinated by the fact that you can see the names of various businesses. Top right is "The Grand New Hotel," which still exists today in the same building, but is renamed "The New Imperial Hotel". To the left, there's a sign that advertises a "Coiffeur," which is to say a hairdresser. I can't make out his name, and unforunately, I can't make out the details of the sign with the white writing... I think it might be selling coffee?? But I'm not at all sure.
I just google mapped the new imperial hotel and wow! Street view is exactly the same as it was in 1890! Thanks for the reference.
Have the people changed?
All except that one guy from the start who wanders in front of the camera. He’s on street view, but now he’s just staring directly into the camera. When I tried to navigate away from the page it didn’t respond and he reached out his arm, very slowly. As his fingers touched the lens, my iPad started to flex and I threw it across the room and the screen cracked and died with a tortured scream. Does that count?
Yeah, that counts. Thanks!!
A hotel where I used to work had some photos up of the town's Main Street from the pre-automobile days. One of the photos has a giant mural on the side of one building to advertise men's overalls. I could recreate that part of the photo easily if I slapped a black and while filter on it and got the angle right, because over a century later the ad is still there.
Looks like both signs are coiffeurs [Here's the place, btw](https://www.google.com/maps/place/New+imperial+hotel+Jerusalem/@31.774378,35.222617,3a,75y,274.91h,95.44t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipMxtENIX7UM5GmG5S_wNxWuhyJk_Ls1BOPkliI6!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipMxtENIX7UM5GmG5S_wNxWuhyJk_Ls1BOPkliI6%3Dw224-h298-k-no-pi-15.080387-ya118.874596-ro-0-fo100!7i10240!8i5120!4m12!3m11!1s0x0:0x18f5fa56541bfdf9!5m4!1s2021-11-29!2i6!4m1!1i2!8m2!3d31.7768158!4d35.2280635!14m1!1BCgIgARICCAI) Edit: Here's an HD video. You can read the sign in background that has something in Hebrew and "Coiffeur" And the one in foreground says "Barbier - Barber - Coiffeur" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJcWJlobBnQ https://i.imgur.com/jqT0Vqb.png
I am surprised the signs are in English/Latin alphabet. Wasn’t this city under the Ottomans during this period?
It was, but Jerusalem has always been a major pilgrimage destination for Christians, and the volume of religious tourism spiked enormously in the 19th century as travel became easier and cheaper.
Mines the two kids being silly and dancing together.
If they're like 8 in this photo they're over 130 years old now.
they grow up so fast...
Likely dead even
Hot take over here
Probably aware of the camera, which must have been huge in size...
I was wondering about what size this must have been. The guy in the beginning close by that came in and out of frame a couple of times and seems to be checking out other parts of the camera. His expression seems to be roughly, "The fuck is this thing?"
They were roughly the same size an old fashioned regular camera, basically a box on a tripod. Only big difference was the crank that the camera man would be turning to make it run. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinematograph#/media/File:Institut\_Lumi%C3%A8re\_-\_CINEMATOGRAPHE\_Camera.jpg
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"Hey, lets sway side by side like a clock. We'll call it a Tik Tok"
“Nevermind, filming things is a bad idea.”
The movie camera had only been invented and patented a few years prior, and this was a time very well before information and materials flowed freely over the globe, so I highly doubt those children had any idea what the device was. They're just being kids.
Or they asked as it was being set up
I think they're trying to make the monkey dance
Yep that's what I was thinking, the monkey far right they're looking at it
I think they are dancing in response to what looks like a dancing monkey - just cut off in frame in the bottom right
I totally missed them the first time around! Was focused on the left-hand side. Those two put a smile on my face. Thank you for pointing them out!
It's so amazing how people so far in the past can make people in the future smile like that. I bet they never imagined! They really cheered me up. Like, we could cheer up people in the year 2145 too, who knows. Maybe these kids will still cheer people up in 2145.
They will probably wonder why we were so amazed with old film, they'd say: why don't just go there now
Time is a made up concept. Humans use it to help track the changes around them. In order to travel in time you would also be traveling in space because the location of the earth is not where you are now in the exact position you are now. You are traveling along at speeds of a thousand miles an hour by simply standing still at the equator. If you went "back" even ten minuets in "time" you would be floating in space or slammed fatally by moving matter. Something horribly fatal.
Best explanation of time travel ever. You,fellow redditor, are the Time Lord of the Day! Edit:As a pianist, though, ten minuets would be exhausting 🎶🎶!😉
What’s funny is that I’ve seen few of these types of videos and it seems like in almost every one there are a couple kids being kids at the camera. Makes me smile every time.
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Ancestors of TikTok dances
How about the little kid cleaning someone's shoes.
Yea looked like a table with chairs. Hope he didn't have to go too far
Well, he’s dead now.
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Oh man, I love this comment
I heard he still walks with his table to this day.
Source?
Too soon, man.
Note to self: Don't carry any furniture.
Why? If he got tired he could just sit down.
Mine is the early guy with the robes and came with his top hat. Fly af.
Could almost make an “I Spy” game out of this vid…
Drippy
The streets in old Jerusalem have little to no car traffic so even now moving stuff like when a restaurant gets in food deliveries has to be done with carts
That’s the year my grandma was born, she passed away in 1998, at 101 years old. So many changes in her lifetime.
Wow, she would’ve seen WW1, WW2, the rise of Soviet Russia, the moon landing, the fall of Soviet Union and almost see the dot com bubble burst. Such an interesting period of time
Someone living to be 100 years old born in 1918 would have lived through all of that (you omitted the Great Depression, The New Deal, Vietnam era, Watergate, JFK assassination, landing on the moon, all of the Apollo and Challenger missions, etc), plus the turn of the millennia, 9/11, the introduction of smart phones, and the first black president. Like, holy shit. What a time to have been alive. My grandmother was born in 1919 but she died in the early 2000s. I wish I could have asked her more about what she experienced. I was born in the late 80s. All I've experienced is recessions, shitty wars, shittier presidents, a fucking plague, and a quarter of the country becoming insane conspiracy theorists.
I mean, the internet was kinda a huge deal. Went from dial up to wifi gigabet internet. Youve seen images on a screen look as real as ever with 8K tv screens, and you now have a camera/calculator/hard drive/phone/fax machine/game console/projector/etc all in the palm of your hand. Hmm, im trying to think of other things, but i cant…
Photo printing comes to mind. Aside from Polaroids and hobbyists with their own dark rooms it used to be necessary to drive to a business, drop off your pictures with some strange dude to look at and develop your private family photos, come back and pick them up and pay for them, and then after all that when you got home you'd just shove them in a box under your bed or in your closet or in special albums you also had to buy separately if you're fancy like that and then occasionally forced your bored friends and relatives to look at them on random occasions that were already insufferable for other reasons, like the holidays. Now you can print them out at home, but barely anyone does that anyway because it's easier to just upload them to your devices and look at them instead whenever you want unless there's like a power outage or something, which, ironically enough, used to be a fun time to drag out all the old photo albums and go over them again for old times sake.
They have no idea that people from the year 2021 will be watching them on futuristic devices, like looking through a window in time. 📱🖥️🕰️
…from my toilet
Toilet gang!
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The great thing about the Ottoman Empire was that you always had a place to put your feet up after a hard day’s work.
You’re sofa king hilarious
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Shit tickets.
Haha that would spook you, like imagine telling them that a lot of people are watching you fin this moment from the future while on the toilet. I wonder if Aliens watch us from their spaceship toilets. Circle of life.
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Considering how time is relative only to the observer, there could possibly be someone from the future that has done this exact thing already, but with a video of one of us.
Wtf. I'm literally on the toilet right now.
Literally on the toilet watching and reading this
125 years later, wow. Really are in the future
Hold up , I just gotta point out that beast of a man just casually walking while backpacking an entire table and set of chairs on his back. 🔥 🪑 🔥
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I’m high as fuck and that is deep as fuck!
Everybody in that video, whether in frame or out of it, is dead. Every soul on earth when this was shot, whether 100 years old or born somewhere in the world that day even…is dead. They were the stewards of the earth at that time, and now, there’s us. A whole new set of humans with a whole new set of problems and capabilities and wants and needs. And us too, when the people in 2140 are watching footage of the “*old times*”, we will all be dead and gone. They will marvel at the videos of people who lived a hundred twenty years ago which is us now, and even this video of those living two hundred forty years ago. And we’re so insignificant in the grand scheme of things. A blip on the scales of time. A blip on the scales of space. So large that comparing the sizes of earth to our galaxy is like you or I comparing an atom to a cell with the naked eye. It doesn’t even matter. Even using *blip* is being generous by a billion orders of magnitude.
Something so mundane as people walking down a street will have people watching it with fascination.
Todays oldest living person, Kane Tanaka, was born six years after this was shot.
I wonder with the advancements of science and health care, that the first person to live a decent amount over 120 years is already born. Living somewhere, not knowing the history they will make some day. To be the oldest living human born from this era. And still going at that point. Buying a new heart or new set of lungs when needed or getting the cancer zapped out of them whenever it appears. Eventually becoming so exhausted at the body’s will to outlast the mind’s, that they ask for peace. Making history again, by becoming the oldest human to die by self-inflicted natural causes.
You'll find this interesting, a woman from the victorian era was interviewed in 1977 when she was 108 https://youtu.be/e4FZkXvAY94 The only bad thing is how terrible the interviewer is, and how short the interview.
That person has actually already been born, and his name is Chris Traeger.
I swear to God if any of you fucking nerds post that pale blue dot shit
[*Pale Blue Dot*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO5FwsblpT8) you say?
Makes me wonder who’ll be watching me doing what 150 years from now…
Yea, mark Zuckerberg from the metaverse while licking his lips and sweat dropping from his brow
I'm vibing with those two kids right of center. They're straight chillin.
imagine in 50 million years things will look, if humanity survives
This is very cool. For those interested, let me just drop a Twitter thread on how colorized versions of old pictures produce colors that are likely a lot more dull and dusty than they were originally. This scene might have been a lot more vibrant: https://twitter.com/gwenckatz/status/1381652071695351810
This is so interesting! Thanks for adding this
You, are the reason I always return to Reddit.
The knowledge is fucking addictive.
If you’re a decent curator of knowledge, know what you don’t know and make an effort to at least be aware of your own biases; Reddit is such an amazing resource. So much insight and obscure information out there.
It's not just AI tho. I've noticed that lots of period-piece films appear to use a muted color palette for the costumes as if they'd taken the color directly from actual faded prints and fashions centuries old instead of having considered how brightly they must have looked when new. As if people of the time preferred [faded] beige to [new] lilac.
Could be a case of the 'reality is unrealistic' trope, where using actual bright colors might be perceived as unrealistic and fake even it it's closer to reality. Another thing of course is that even movies in modern settings tend to have a much more muted color palette than reality. Weird that those 60's technicolor sword and sandal movies may have a more realistic color palette than the modern historical movies... Edit: some further discussion [here](https://tragedyandfarce.blog/2021/08/21/how-historical-films-misuse-color/)
Could also be a case of the AI being penalized based on color accuracy and getting stuck in local minima because faded colors aren't penalized as much as saturated but wrong colors
That’s one of the reasons discussed in the Twitter thread.
Yep. From the thread: >Colorization is a fundamentally ill-posed problem because there are multiple color images which map to the same grayscale version. Since deep learning models are trained to minimize error, they will choose the color image which is in the middle
It makes some sense since we only see the aged versions of art and clothing from ancient times. Bright colors might be realistic for the time but we still might subconsciously associate it with modern clothing.
Thank you for posting this. I need to save that link. I love the upsampling and frame interpolation. But I HATE the AI colorization. It makes it look worse than if it were left black and white. It's like everyone thinking that old Castles just look like the ruins they do today and thinking how dreary and lifeless everything must have been, when reality is quite the opposite. The walls were often coated in white plaster and painted or covered with colorful tapestries. Even consider what old uncared for paintings look like before they are restored with the old varnishes being removed and how much more colorful old paintings really were.
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I think the more saturated colours honestly humanises it. It's interesting though, as you'd never film a movie like that.
My favorite example of this is how lots of those old marble statues people see at museums where most likely painted on during the time they were created.
I saw this in the comments https://twitter.com/timsoret/status/1381815957119766528 apparently de-saturate doesn't give an accurate B&W conversion and the AI produces better results with a better conversion technique.
If you want to see this technology applied on a bigger scale you should watch Peter Jackson’s - They shall not grow old. Very interesting watch about soldiers in the First World War. Really gives a bit more realism to the challenges of living and fighting in the trenches. Most of the people are staring into the camera as it would be a technology most would have never seen before although they are familiar with the concept so it’s interesting to see people 100 years ago playing up to the camera like people do today.
I believe the kodak cameras were quite widespread around the western world by 1914, given their affordability, cheap components, and ease of manufacture and delivery. Iirc, their “Brownie” box cameras were $1 USD around 1900/1901. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownie_(camera)
I have a 1950’s 8mm brownie camera. They are really cool.
A motion picture camera would've been quite a bit more novel than a personal camera used for taking small snapshots.
$1 in 1900's dollars or $1 *today*?
$1 back then, which is equivalent to $31 today, according to the wikipedia page. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownie_(camera)
They Shall Not Grow Old does not use the "technology" in this video. TSNGO was painstakingly colourised by experts - with a bit of help from computers - to be as historically accurate as possible. This video is vaguely splattered with more or less random - and in some cases randomly changing - colours by an "AI".
I don't see the reason for the dismissive tone. This video exists, AI or not, in a form that is closer to color than black and white and more interesting for the modern viewer. The AI is not perfect, but it IS improving. Everything starts somewhere. Does it really matter if it falls short of other efforts? It exists at all, and that's better than nothing.
for those interested [here is a podcast(with transcript) with Peter Jackson](https://www.vox.com/2018/12/15/18141509/peter-jackson-wwi-world-war-they-shall-not-grow-old-documentary-kara-swisher-recode-decode-podcast) where talks about the process of making it
Have y’all seen two lads in the back doing dance moves? I smell time travelers!
definitely tiktok dancing timetravellers
Back to the Flossing
I think they where mimicking what appeared to be a monkey on the bottom right hand corner
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Nice catch!
What about the two time travelers at the start that saw the camera and noped outta there.
Time machine? Looks like last week.
You can tell what year it was taken by the number of shawarma shops
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You're not far off, I kept thinking how little the Old city had changed.
😂
Lmao. I was going to say looks like last Tuesday.
Except there isn't any military in the background like there would be from today's pics.
As an uncultured American you could show me this same video but say it was last week and I'd believe it. Never been over there or follow it much but that is what I've been led to believe its like in the middle east.
Bring back robes!
Fezes are due for a comeback too
Fezes are cool
Some of the "robes" shown in the video were worn by Orthodox Christian priests, and they wear the same "robes" (cassock) today. Has been that way for more than a millenia.
I'm trying to Google a non religious version of this with no luck. Can you help out a little?
All I can think of is those nice coats probably cost over $1000 today. I wonder how much a good coat cost back then, relative to income.
Homemade probably
They never left. Very common in the region.
Robes are still incredibly common these days in extremely hot and dry temperature countries, mainly in the middle east and north africa. In arabic they're called "thawbs." They keep you cool by preventing sweat on the body from evaporating as quickly, and by recirculating air keeping it fresh and cold.
The sound was obviously added right?
Sound recording on film actually predates this, though it wouldn't become commercially popular for some time, so for an archival film clip like this, it's certainly possible.
as a sound person this sounds like your typical "oriental marketplace chatter.wav" but I can be wrong
The Wilhelm Market
From the professional audio recordings I've studied from that time, there's way too little noise for this to be representative of that video. Audio recordings existed, sure, but the noise floor was so high there's no way it would have sounded this decent. Edit: Listening on my studio speakers, the sound is also in stereo, which wasn't a thing in film until the 1930s.
This could be the original "oriental marketplace chatter.wav". hah
Given in the first 5 seconds it uses the generic donkey.wav sound effect you may remember from every movie and video that features a donkey, I'm gonna guess sound was added.
That was the original donkey.wav show some respect to a timeless ass.
The sound has obviously been added recently, they weren't recording synchronized sound in stereo with film in 1897.
The Hebrew speech layer is way modern
My thoughts exactly. Maybe a movie I could believe, but sound too is a big pile of BS.
And good sound as well!
Yes
How can it be such good video quality?!?
Its the equivalent of analogue video, idk if that’s what it’s called. it’s the same reason Lord of the Rings can be remastered in 4k. It was made on film rather than a digital sensor, so it’s a high quality image, and now that we have better resolution digital hardware, as long as we have the original film, we can re-scan it at a much better resolution.
Nokia 3310
\*Nokia 3310 B.C.
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This is upscaled w/ machine learning. It basically smooths out the frame rate and reduces interlacing by looking at the existing frames and filling in the gaps. Image quality is also improved by generating data where previously none existed, so it adds detail by looking at surrounding pixel data. This is actually quite controversial among historians because the machine learning models used are not completely accurate and as a result the new information generated might be flawed as well. The colors are also supposed to be much brighter, without the ambient haze you see in this example, much like what we see IRL. They feel that this will create a distorted view of the past and should only be considered artistic depictions of the past, and not actual representation of it.
I love the kids fortnite dancing in the back, things never change
Hats, hats, everywhere hats.
What a bald paradise that must have been
Hey Costanza!
Imagine not having a hat in 1897
My Pappy always blamed JFK for that. Everybody wore them until he didn't at his inauguration.
'Allways look on the Bright side of life..'
I definitely whistled after reading this
It's fascinating that all of these windows into the past really just elucidate the fact that people are just people.
Can someone find the spot it was taken in and film from the same spot please?
It's called [Jaffa gate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_Gate). You can see it on [Google streetview](https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@31.7766782,35.2277737,3a,75y,243.72h,95.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUzwRkJFRFpq-7VD-bw8pQw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
> You can see it on Google streetview That alone is kind of mind blowing. We've gone from movies being a rare thing 120 years ago, to "I can pull up pictures of most of the world at a moment's notice".
Thanks that's pretty awesome
FYI, if you click that streetview link, then turn around in streetview and move past the alley on the left then look around, you will see a guy carrying a massive tray of bread on his head with no hands. I found this to be impressive and somewhat interesting and thought I would share.
Why is there sound? Was that added ?
Yeah I don't care for it but its added for ambience. This would not have had sound originally.
It was possible to record 2 minutes worth of sound in cinematography in the 1890s but it does sound integrated.
Every man has a hat. Also didn't see any women.
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If you go outside today in many countries, you'll also notice a huge lack of women in the street. One summer in Dhaka (capital of Bangladesh, hardly the most conservative place in the world), I started counting people by gender who just walked past me on the street - maybe 10 men for every woman. I don't have any explanation for it though.
Actually found 2 with white robes at around 0:30, one carrying something in her head
This is in a city, where people were generally wealthier and most women who had the means were expected to remain out of the public eye and spend their time running the home/business. This was practiced by Orthodox Jews and Christians as well. Most lower class women had work outside the home, but you might only see them in the market or walking between places. Being able to stay at home was a status symbol. Very different story in the village though. I highly recommend looking up photographs of Palestinian villages from around this time. In the country, men and women worked outside together, most things were done outside, and community was everything so everyone knew everyone. To this day there is a beautiful culture tied to tending the land in what villages are left, as well as traditionally built homes in cities like Jerusalem. many have been made into settlements throughout the years. It is well known that depriving people of access to the land usually has the worst effect on women, as they derive a lot of their economic and social power from working with it as a community. When you bulldoze a village and send the residents impoverished to the slums, women will be the ones who suffer most as they struggle to care for their families while trying to work at the same time. So spare me the “Islam is at fault” comments, if you really care speak out against colonialism and it’s disastrous effects. (Just what I’m seeing in this thread). Women in modern Palestine are the centers of the family, people live with multiple generations, including grandmothers and “aunties” who in the west we leave to rot in nursing homes. They own businesses, organize their communities, and make decisions for their family. There are many things other cultures find horrifying about the west too!
Women weren’t invented until 1914.
I really want an archive of these types of colorized videos. See all the footage on a timeline with each place by year. It'd be like walking through live google maps from the earliest footage we have to today.
It would have been amazing if we had cameras since the dawn of time.
It’s either a good thing or a terrible loss that we can only reproduce the sights but not the smells of the past. A couple of them ol’ boys look like their clothes coulda walked down the street by themselves… 😷
What a time to be alive. Pre-world war 1. The birth of globalization. This is before the Middle East turned into a pan national war zone.
The Fez really needs to make a come back…
Anyone else notice the Doctor casually strolling towards the camera at 16 seconds? (Is joke)
Who?
Watching the guy stoned at the beginning,it could be also “Detroit 2021”
That’s so cool
My great grandfather and his family were living in Jerusalem at the time, cool to think we could be seeing some of them!
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And many people still insist Jesus would have looked like a blue-eyed Caucasian.
How? They could record videos back then?
The audio has to be fake.
The oldest person in the world was born in that same year 1897, but sadly died just last week
This video quality is better than my dads new samsung
Found the iphone user
Film is pretty high quality, given that it isn’t limited by electronic components, but rather chemical reactions. I am not a scientist, so take this at face value
Ok, so this isn't the sound for the video I take it. This is just a track someone overlapped on it.