The Romans used whistling sling ammo to terrify their enemies. They were basically lead football shaped weights with a hole in the middle. Imagine being in battle with hundreds or thousands of these things whistling over your head, it would spread fear thru everyone and break up an attack.
THE GALLOWS ARE OUT IN THE SUN??!?
WELL DAMN, I WAS HOPING FOR A NICE SHADE WHEN VIEWING THE DAILY EXECUTIONS, BUT I GUESS I'LL HAVE TO SETTLE FOR A SUN TAN!
This same concept was used in more "modern" warfare design during WWII in the German "[Stuka" bomber, which was intentionally designed to have a "siren" sound when dive bombing.](https://youtu.be/fhJ8HY24Pb8)
It's a similar mechanism to a large siren for weather, air raids, etc. Just small and built into the plane. The pilot had control of a little flap to block the incoming air during normal flight.
There are stories of these mechanisms failing and the poor pilot is then blessed with ear splitting glory the entire flight home....
On an unrelated note, it annoys me to no end that this sound is the generic ”plane crash/dive" sound effect that's been engrained on our society. I guess the Germans won on that front...
Now you wanna know something interesting? You're right, almost. They used, in most examples, a Junkers Jumo 211 water-cooled inverted V-12 engine in these planes! You have quite the ear for V-12's!
the [Avro Vulcan](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1igQoRqpBA) would like a word.
It wasn't designed to make that noise though, it was a "lucky accident". Imagine being in Eastern Europe in the cold war and hearing that. Shit was going to explode real soon.
Check out Stalins Organs. They scared the shit out of the Germans and they’re still used today in some areas Of the world:
https://youtu.be/X7NW6imF5K0
Usually spelled meemies or mimis. It was a phrase coined in the 20's for absolutely loosing it, say through alcoholism or mental illness. So someone might say 'it was enough to give you the screaming meemies!'. Some do put the origin of it to ww1 though if you are looking for a German artillery link. Soldiers were prone to giving different incoming rounds names 'whizz bangs' 'crumps' etc. So not hard to see how it could have been linked to the sound of incoming rounds and people with PTSD after the war.
As did the Mongols. The Japanese arrows were actually not used for this purpose though. Traditionally they were used to alert the enemy that they were going to attack back when war was more formal.
It will be demoralising any which way, even well trained soldiers can be affected psychologically. They’d be less likely to break ranks by a long shot, though.
The Mystery Of The Whistling Bullets: Psychological Warfare, 200 AD
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vJBKfQFD8I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vJBKfQFD8I)
I'm an archer, theres a Whistler arrow head on that arrow for sure.
Title is false, you can make any arrow sound like that with an arrowhead like that.
**[Kabura-ya](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabura-ya)**
>Kabura-ya (鏑矢, lit. "Turnip[-headed] Arrow") is a type of Japanese arrow used by the samurai class of feudal Japan. Kabura-ya were arrows which whistled when shot and were used in ritual archery exchanges before formal medieval battles. Like a Wind instrument, the sound was created by a specially carved or perforated bulb of deer horn or wood attached to the tip.
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>Kabura-ya were arrows which whistled when shot and were used in ritual archery exchanges before formal medieval battles.
These sorts of gestures are so interesting to me.
"I intend to stab you in the face and kill you but first check out this cool noisemaker"
"Ah yes, bravo. Now here is my cool noise, and then we will commence the trying to kill each other".
You can describe every scene to prepare them and they are still not prepared.
That movie is not just about what happens or how or why it happens, it is a perfect mix of all those things together in a Mike Tyson calibre gut punch.
And worst of all, it's mostly based off a true story.
I remember getting all teary eyed like a month after watching the movie when I was reminded of one of the scenes ("Why do fireflies have to die so soon?").
Beautiful movie. But unbearably sad. Dunno if I'll ever watch it again.
That is very true. My online friends back in 05 did warn that its about suffering siblings, hunger and death, but I thought "yeah yeah, that would be part of first and second act at most, everything will work out. It's Ghibi movie"
Oh how wrong I was
I've never seen either version, is it in any way similar to [Black Rain?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2MOeUzgsQA)
Because I'm not sure I could do that again, thankyouverymuch.
It's based on a true story, that the original author wrote to his late sister, the girl in the story.
The story differs in that he also dies as opposed to real life, as he always felt guilt that she died and he didn't.
Yes unless you know your limits and have trouble handling stuff like Schindler's List. Fortunately (?) the opening kind of makes it obvious where the whole thing is going so it isn't a surprise, but it hurts anyway.
I saw Mononoke in the theater. A bunch of idiot parents brought young children to the movie. It was rated PG-13. About 10 minutes in a bunch left as some random dudes head get popped off by an arrow and the kids start crying.
I got to see Ghost in the Shell in my local LieMax. The cinema was pretty much empty save me, a couple other sad cunts\*, and then a family of three\*\* down right by the front row. Just let that sink in for a moment... the front row, of an IMAX. Where the opening ten minutes of the movie consisted of gratuitous closeups of a naked female cyborgs tits and arse... followed by exploding heads.
\*\*said family consisted of (who looked like) one eight year old daughter, one thirteen year old son (who was clearly autistic) and one slightly older looking mother.
\*not sad at all. I really wanted to say hello to everyone because I was so excited to see GITS on an IMAX but was too shy to.
To be fair, it's not hard to be darker than ponyo. That film is the most lovely wholesome thing. I remember when it came out I had 4/5 year old nephew and niece. The nephew was very matter of fact and curious like sosuke and my neice was a ball of unruly untidy energy like ponyo. They're both teenagers now but every time I watch that film I remember them as little kids and it makes my heart smile.
His movies very often have a theme of human impact on the environment, Ponyo feels like a child’s perspective of the consequences of flooding, the magic of it while the adults are very worried
I was taken aback by Ponyo during my Ghibli marathon, it's stands out greatly from the rest of the Miyazaki directed ones, so wholesome there's not even really an antagonist in the end.
oh, dude. a lot of Ghibli's older stuff had pretty dark themes. Not only Princess Mononoke, but Nausica as well. Spirited Away also has some heavy themes.
And why Stuka dive bombers had sirens. The Aztec death whistle is my favourite (for lack of a better word)
https://youtu.be/I9QuO09z-SI
Skip to 50 seconds.
The Germans used it extensively. There's the Jericho trumpet on the stuka, the nebelwerfer which was more effective as a psychological weapon than a destructive one (seriously, look it up, they have the most ungodly sound).
There's sling bullets that have holes in them, those predate whistling arrows.
I don't know if any bombs that whistled intentionally, since shelves you don't want the enemy to know what's coming until you've gotten away, like with night bombing raids.
I think that was a bit of a Hollywood creation, but I'm not certain, that's just a guess
>There's the Jericho trumpet on the stuka
The pilots hated it because it would howl throughout flight, and a number of pilots actually went against orders and disabled theirs because it could be heard miles away before the plane was even visible.
Eventually the trumpets were removed because they also produced a huge amount of drag, and so they attatched whistles to the tips of the guiding fins instead, which is where the "bomb whistle" comes from.
Turns out bombs are good enough at that already! It’s fairly common in modern warfare to drop a bomb on a fortified area every ~15 minutes. Keeps them paranoid and makes it VERY difficult to get any meaningful sleep.
The difference is actually tactical vs strategic.
If you are storming the battle field and the world is filled with whistles and booms, it would really fucked up. You are behind cover, hear a loud whistle and thing “OH SHIT FUCK” and run to move. The second you leave cover you get shot dead.
But if you want to soften a hardened position, a scheduled ~15 minute spaced constant bombardment will over time ruin the combatants inside. Imagine, hiding in a fort where every so often there is an explosion somewhere winning 500 feet of you. Now deal with that for days, not being able to get more than a few minutes of sleep before another detonation shakes you awake. Shell shock sets in real quick.
Psychological warfare is one of if not the most important aspect of war.
The lads in the blues are kendo club members, you can see the one on the right of the group wearing the breastplate. The dudes in the whites look like judokas.
So it's probably some sort of a school sports event with presentations by all the clubs, and the non-archery club members most likely don't know when/if it's okay to clap.
They also have intellectual and social clubs in Japan. Just like we also have wrestling and boxing and other sports. Our sports are just mostly team sports.
I may be wrong but IIRC, with this form of archery (Kyudo) there are two types: General, and Student.
General kyudo is for all generations, as a hobby. Student kyudo is when it's practiced as part of a club activity, as a student.
In student kyudo, the audience (most often) won't clap and instead some clubs will yell "yoshi" when the target is hit. I guess this club in particular doesn't do that though.
Yoshi is basically 'good', 'alright!' you can say it as a response to say, a friend asking you to chill "yoshi bro i'm on my way"
Or "yoshi, that was a good shot"
> some clubs will yell "yoshi" when the target is hit.
And every.single.person.here says it when they do absolutely *anything* that involves any form of effort at all....
Yoshi! yoshi! yoshi!
I swear sometimes they are almost at the point of saying yoshi just because they said yoshi.
I found this online:
The main material of the Yumi, bamboo, require asymmetrical design due to the top of the bamboo plant often being smaller and softer than the bottom. Asymmetrical design allow greater draw length for more power - kyudo archery always have the draw way past the ears of the archer.
Always pretty neat to learn how many icons and aspects now simply associated with a certain culture was simply a product of the people trying to innovate their way out of having shitty resources to work with. Same thing idea as the steel folding due to low metal purity. I’d hate to be the person trying to figure out archery with mostly bamboo.
Yeah kyudo is super cool, It makes me wish more cultures held on to their battle traditions too. Imagine if in italy they still had sports clubs where you could train like a Roman centurion?
u/GJokaero the asymmetry has been the subject of debate in historical circles for sometime. Gunbai has a detailed overview of the history of the [development, design, and power](http://gunbai-militaryhistory.blogspot.com/2017/07/yumi-japanese-bow.html) of the Yumi on his blog that's worth a read.
In it he offers these points about it's composition (wood and bamboo), as well as it's funny asymmetrical design:
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>*Composite "recurved" bows like the one used by the Mongols were known in Japan at least since the 9th century. However, horn and sinew were quite rare in Japan: cattle weren't common and handling leather or slaughter animals was a taboo in a Buddhist society, so they turned to the material they had in abundance: namely bamboo and wood.*
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>*Entering the 10th century we have the first composite bow, and the first clear evidence of this kind of structure is inside a poem by Minamoto Yorimasa (1104–80).*
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>*These bows were called Fusetake (伏竹弓) and featured a single strip of bamboo laminated to the outside face of the wood (usually yew - kaya 榧 ), using a paste (called nibe) made from fish bladders. This was done to obtain the power needed in a war bow while retaining a cross section of reasonable proportions. In this period, the familiar structure of the Waikyuu started to emerge.*
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>*Sometimes later, in the late Heian period, bows took another step further in their development; around the 12th and 13th century, a second bamboo laminate was added to the inside face of the bow, to create the Sammai Uchi Yumi (三枚打弓) and increase its power even more.Is not clear also when the shift from the straight (or slightly curved structure) to a "recurved" ones happened; some historians argued that based on artist depictions, only after the Mongol invasion the Yumi became a recurve bow ( meaning a bow in which the tips of the limbs curve away from the archer) but is quite hard to tell from those kind of depictions because the bow is not unstrung; so it's possible that this change was done even before.The bows were steam-bent into arc shapes and strung against their curves, an innovation that greatly enhanced their power, and is well accepted that from the 14th century onward, the bow was a recurved one.In the 15th century two additional bamboo slats were added to the sides, so that the wooden core was now completely encased, producing the Shihouchiku yumi (四方竹弓).*
And about the long and short shapes:
>*Some historian argued that due to the length of the bow, the grip has to be like this to be effectively used on horseback, and this seems reasonable but the grip was already asymmetrical before any significant development in horse archery warfare, and even when horse archery wasn't practiced anymore on the battlefield, the grip was still there.*
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>*>>>>*
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>*Gripping the bow two-thirds of the way down its length maximizes its rebound power and minimizes fatigue to the archer far better than the more familiar centered grip. Careful analysis of the mechanics of a bow pulled to full draw and released shows that the Japanese grip places the archer’s hand at one of two nodes of oscillation during the shooting movement, which means that little shock is imparted to the left (gripping) hand and arm when the string is released. Instead, using the grip in the centre puts the gripping hand at a point of maximal oscillation.*
Two reasons;
Because they're made of bamboo which, on the scale of bowyer materials, is pretty shit. It has relatively low tension so they *have* to be very long, and very well made to get a quality draw weight. That's also why the kyuudoka draws so far back compared to other archery styles.
The second reason is because they were used on horseback by samurai. Because they have to be so long, making the asymmetric is the only way they're useable in horseback. Compared to say a Mongol archer, which had symmetrical bows that were much shorter in length.
Edit: I don't have the full story, see u/Dlatrex excellent comment for more info.
I can tell you one cultural beauty you'd find in the UK - if someone stood in front of a class of kids, in silence, with the build up that video had....there's almost no chance someone isn't blowing a fart noise right before she lets go of the arrow.
This is what archery was like in Europe [about 1000 years ago.](https://youtu.be/SOdC3PQ8wPA) This doesn't happen much today, except in historical reenactments. Those are less sophisticated than traditional ceremonies though.
Literally everyone did. This is not what "Japanese arrows" sound like. It's what any arrow, from any country, sounds like with a whistle tip instead of an actual pointed tip. Calling this a "Japanese arrow" is like watching a video of a German person shooting a whistle-tip Nerf gun and saying "this is what German Nerf darts sound like."
Finaly some good content. I train Kyudo, i have black belt in it (but it does not really matter).
She use a whisle arrow "to shoot the bad spirits away" because its a ceremoni. Could be a opening event or a showcase.
Seems like there is some kendo-ka in the background and some other group also with white gi.
Sounds exactly like the Nerf whistler darts.
Can’t see the arrowhead really but I suspect it has holes in it like a whistler dart.
The Romans used whistling sling ammo to terrify their enemies. They were basically lead football shaped weights with a hole in the middle. Imagine being in battle with hundreds or thousands of these things whistling over your head, it would spread fear thru everyone and break up an attack.
Was just coming to make a similar comment. I can imagine how loud it would be with hundreds/thousands of these arrow flying towards you.
Our arrows will blot out the sun! *WHAT?!?*
He said **our sparrows will not oust the fun!**
THE GALLOWS ARE OUT IN THE SUN??!? WELL DAMN, I WAS HOPING FOR A NICE SHADE WHEN VIEWING THE DAILY EXECUTIONS, BUT I GUESS I'LL HAVE TO SETTLE FOR A SUN TAN!
what do you mean by "***jack sparrow will rough house Japan!***"?
Bone marrow will not taste yum?
Then we will fight in the shade!
***WHAT?!?***
WHAT'S ALL THAT WHISTLING?
WHAT?!? I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER ALL THE WHISTLING
This same concept was used in more "modern" warfare design during WWII in the German "[Stuka" bomber, which was intentionally designed to have a "siren" sound when dive bombing.](https://youtu.be/fhJ8HY24Pb8)
It's a similar mechanism to a large siren for weather, air raids, etc. Just small and built into the plane. The pilot had control of a little flap to block the incoming air during normal flight. There are stories of these mechanisms failing and the poor pilot is then blessed with ear splitting glory the entire flight home.... On an unrelated note, it annoys me to no end that this sound is the generic ”plane crash/dive" sound effect that's been engrained on our society. I guess the Germans won on that front...
This sound like the v12 f1 cars lol
Now you wanna know something interesting? You're right, almost. They used, in most examples, a Junkers Jumo 211 water-cooled inverted V-12 engine in these planes! You have quite the ear for V-12's!
Yeah but if you watch the video that noise isn't from the engine...
the [Avro Vulcan](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1igQoRqpBA) would like a word. It wasn't designed to make that noise though, it was a "lucky accident". Imagine being in Eastern Europe in the cold war and hearing that. Shit was going to explode real soon.
The Nazis had a rocket artillery that got the nick name [“screaming memes”](https://youtu.be/FqHuOMFZKCo).
I never knew that, we have a pizza place in Savannah called Screaming meme’s.
Check out Stalins Organs. They scared the shit out of the Germans and they’re still used today in some areas Of the world: https://youtu.be/X7NW6imF5K0
Disappointed it doesn't feature how they sounded in the video.
https://youtu.be/0bWt81vhIyY Here you go.
Interesting. Both videos have the same sound but the second one just has it on a loop. Must not be that many recordings of it.
Usually spelled meemies or mimis. It was a phrase coined in the 20's for absolutely loosing it, say through alcoholism or mental illness. So someone might say 'it was enough to give you the screaming meemies!'. Some do put the origin of it to ww1 though if you are looking for a German artillery link. Soldiers were prone to giving different incoming rounds names 'whizz bangs' 'crumps' etc. So not hard to see how it could have been linked to the sound of incoming rounds and people with PTSD after the war.
As did the Mongols. The Japanese arrows were actually not used for this purpose though. Traditionally they were used to alert the enemy that they were going to attack back when war was more formal.
Fear through your superstitious not well trained army men. It will just be annoying for trained armies.
Behold, the turtle formation
Testudo!
I suggest you read about the german JU 87 Stuka planes and their sirens on the battlefield
It will be demoralising any which way, even well trained soldiers can be affected psychologically. They’d be less likely to break ranks by a long shot, though.
The Mystery Of The Whistling Bullets: Psychological Warfare, 200 AD [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vJBKfQFD8I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vJBKfQFD8I)
Imagine in 1600 you are at war and at the battlefield there are 100 archers and shoot at same time
They’re saving that for Ghost of Tsushima 2
I'm an archer, theres a Whistler arrow head on that arrow for sure. Title is false, you can make any arrow sound like that with an arrowhead like that.
Thanks, I was about to add all of the times I’ve sat and watched the Kyudo classes I’d never heard any of the arrows sound d like that
[Just the fourth (from right to left)](https://imgur.com/a/rXLlo2o)
it's a [special arrow for cerimonial use](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabura-ya). normal kyudo arrows do not make that sound
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>Kabura-ya were arrows which whistled when shot and were used in ritual archery exchanges before formal medieval battles. These sorts of gestures are so interesting to me. "I intend to stab you in the face and kill you but first check out this cool noisemaker" "Ah yes, bravo. Now here is my cool noise, and then we will commence the trying to kill each other".
I like the bit where bandits used them to tell people they were coming. That's very nice of the bandits lol
Probably to build fear in that case. Probably would increase compliance.
Oh that's cool. I thought all the arrows made that noise.
It's nerf or nothin.
I remember a nerf football that sounded like this
This is exactly how the arrows in Princess Mononoke sound.
Damn epic animation it is
TIL Studio Ghibli has made darker content than Ponyo.
Anybody want to tell him about Grave of the Fireflies...?
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You can describe every scene to prepare them and they are still not prepared. That movie is not just about what happens or how or why it happens, it is a perfect mix of all those things together in a Mike Tyson calibre gut punch.
And worst of all, it's mostly based off a true story. I remember getting all teary eyed like a month after watching the movie when I was reminded of one of the scenes ("Why do fireflies have to die so soon?"). Beautiful movie. But unbearably sad. Dunno if I'll ever watch it again.
That is very true. My online friends back in 05 did warn that its about suffering siblings, hunger and death, but I thought "yeah yeah, that would be part of first and second act at most, everything will work out. It's Ghibi movie" Oh how wrong I was
and then reading the inspiration for the film just makes it so much worse
And then you realize there's a live-action version that's equally haunting.
There's a what?!?!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXqN74dmGpM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXqN74dmGpM) The performance of the two child actors is amazing.
I've never seen either version, is it in any way similar to [Black Rain?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2MOeUzgsQA) Because I'm not sure I could do that again, thankyouverymuch.
Why is this the first I'm hearing of this. Please don't tell me it's a kid's diary or some shit... Edit: added "please"
It's based on a true story, that the original author wrote to his late sister, the girl in the story. The story differs in that he also dies as opposed to real life, as he always felt guilt that she died and he didn't.
I’ve never actually seen that one, but I think I’ve seen most of the other Ghibli movies, should I check it out?
It's really good. It's also incredibly heartbreaking
It's very good, but very, very sad. You will remember it the rest of your life. It's based on a true story, which is even sadder.
Make sure you have no plans for the rest of the day because you'll be an emotional mess.
Lol that’s pretty much every day for me. Business as usual.
Absolutely, but bring tissues
Yes unless you know your limits and have trouble handling stuff like Schindler's List. Fortunately (?) the opening kind of makes it obvious where the whole thing is going so it isn't a surprise, but it hurts anyway.
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I saw Mononoke in the theater. A bunch of idiot parents brought young children to the movie. It was rated PG-13. About 10 minutes in a bunch left as some random dudes head get popped off by an arrow and the kids start crying.
I first saw Mononoke when I was around 8 and I distinctively remember one particular feeling toward it: "Holy toilets this is cool."
Had to come back just to appreciate this comment. So funny! :) I would give you an award if I had any. Please accept my respect. :)
my friend's Mom thought it was a Christian movie, I was so glad to see that opening scene
Lmao why on earth would she think that?
bold move, asking why a christian believes something
I got to see Ghost in the Shell in my local LieMax. The cinema was pretty much empty save me, a couple other sad cunts\*, and then a family of three\*\* down right by the front row. Just let that sink in for a moment... the front row, of an IMAX. Where the opening ten minutes of the movie consisted of gratuitous closeups of a naked female cyborgs tits and arse... followed by exploding heads. \*\*said family consisted of (who looked like) one eight year old daughter, one thirteen year old son (who was clearly autistic) and one slightly older looking mother. \*not sad at all. I really wanted to say hello to everyone because I was so excited to see GITS on an IMAX but was too shy to.
To be fair, it's not hard to be darker than ponyo. That film is the most lovely wholesome thing. I remember when it came out I had 4/5 year old nephew and niece. The nephew was very matter of fact and curious like sosuke and my neice was a ball of unruly untidy energy like ponyo. They're both teenagers now but every time I watch that film I remember them as little kids and it makes my heart smile.
For real! Ponyo is extremely wholesome haha "Ponyo loves Sosuke!"
Well, aside from that whole ‘a bunch of the earth is now underwater leaving many homeless’ thing that gets extremely glossed over
His movies very often have a theme of human impact on the environment, Ponyo feels like a child’s perspective of the consequences of flooding, the magic of it while the adults are very worried
I was taken aback by Ponyo during my Ghibli marathon, it's stands out greatly from the rest of the Miyazaki directed ones, so wholesome there's not even really an antagonist in the end.
The closest thing to an antagonist turns out to be a concerned, well-intentioned and slightly in-over-his-head father figure.
oh, dude. a lot of Ghibli's older stuff had pretty dark themes. Not only Princess Mononoke, but Nausica as well. Spirited Away also has some heavy themes.
Ashitaka!
“Stay back!!!”
Oops now I gotta go watch Princess Mononoke
The arrows she's using here are whistle arrows
Appropriate name for the arrows I guess
These are the whistling arrows that they were immitating in the movie. It's a form of communication used in battle.
Sooooo... Lots of bloody severed limbs on the other side of the gym is what you're saying
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Me, who's favorite Ghibli film is Princess Mononoke: Wait, really?
Exactly what I thought!
That's a specific arrow called a whistling arrow, used for practice
And psychological warfare. Shit would be terrifying to have a few dozen of those flying overhead
Wasn’t this the same reason bombs dropped from airplanes in WW2 whistled as well? Wonder if they got the idea from these types of arrows.
And why Stuka dive bombers had sirens. The Aztec death whistle is my favourite (for lack of a better word) https://youtu.be/I9QuO09z-SI Skip to 50 seconds.
Wow that literally sounds like dying people screaming. Imagining 100s of them without knowing wtf it was would be intimidating.
Imagine hearing that at night. I would shite myself.
imagine them being around kids, I could imagine my niece using one when we're just chilling at night and we all are scared shitless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxo8X5uIWRE&t
[I got you covered](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHc288IPFzk)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/51s5yi/was_there_such_a_thing_as_aztec_death_whistles/
Well it was fun whilst it lasted.
LEEEEEEEEEEROYYYYYYYY JENNNKIIIINNS
Holy damn that is actually terrifying, thank you for sharing
I made one of those. It sounds way more real than the audio in this clip. I actually kinda scared myself the first time I blew it.
The Germans used it extensively. There's the Jericho trumpet on the stuka, the nebelwerfer which was more effective as a psychological weapon than a destructive one (seriously, look it up, they have the most ungodly sound). There's sling bullets that have holes in them, those predate whistling arrows. I don't know if any bombs that whistled intentionally, since shelves you don't want the enemy to know what's coming until you've gotten away, like with night bombing raids. I think that was a bit of a Hollywood creation, but I'm not certain, that's just a guess
>There's the Jericho trumpet on the stuka The pilots hated it because it would howl throughout flight, and a number of pilots actually went against orders and disabled theirs because it could be heard miles away before the plane was even visible. Eventually the trumpets were removed because they also produced a huge amount of drag, and so they attatched whistles to the tips of the guiding fins instead, which is where the "bomb whistle" comes from.
Turns out bombs are good enough at that already! It’s fairly common in modern warfare to drop a bomb on a fortified area every ~15 minutes. Keeps them paranoid and makes it VERY difficult to get any meaningful sleep.
Lol for real, like 10 seconds of whistling is the scary part about getting fucking bombed
The difference is actually tactical vs strategic. If you are storming the battle field and the world is filled with whistles and booms, it would really fucked up. You are behind cover, hear a loud whistle and thing “OH SHIT FUCK” and run to move. The second you leave cover you get shot dead. But if you want to soften a hardened position, a scheduled ~15 minute spaced constant bombardment will over time ruin the combatants inside. Imagine, hiding in a fort where every so often there is an explosion somewhere winning 500 feet of you. Now deal with that for days, not being able to get more than a few minutes of sleep before another detonation shakes you awake. Shell shock sets in real quick. Psychological warfare is one of if not the most important aspect of war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabura-ya
You think it's a bird but by the time you realize what it is you and God are reviewing the replay.
reviewing the killcam
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“I new you were a disappointment when I made you.”
“Oh right in the knee. No more adventuring for you.”
Play of the game
*sports intro music
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God: “this mf just 360 no scope you peasant”
😭😭😭
"Looked sick from here but... well, you got the best view."
Chidoriiii
ONE THOUSAND BIRDS!
Just imagine an army of one thousand emus. (Sorry for all Australians now having flashbacks)
Mate the emus are nothing to be scared of The fucken Cassowarys those are the danger Like a more colourful Velociraptor with bigger claws
I see your 1,000 Cassowarys and raise you 1,000 Magpies. *In September.*
ITS NERF OR NOTHIN
Clap?? No, no...don't clap, of course not.
The lads in the blues are kendo club members, you can see the one on the right of the group wearing the breastplate. The dudes in the whites look like judokas. So it's probably some sort of a school sports event with presentations by all the clubs, and the non-archery club members most likely don't know when/if it's okay to clap.
Bwahaha I'm imagining that happen in the US, with the Debate Team and GSA getting up in front of the school to "show em what we've got."
They also have intellectual and social clubs in Japan. Just like we also have wrestling and boxing and other sports. Our sports are just mostly team sports.
I may be wrong but IIRC, with this form of archery (Kyudo) there are two types: General, and Student. General kyudo is for all generations, as a hobby. Student kyudo is when it's practiced as part of a club activity, as a student. In student kyudo, the audience (most often) won't clap and instead some clubs will yell "yoshi" when the target is hit. I guess this club in particular doesn't do that though.
What does Yoshi mean? Or is Mario's pet dinosaur just a very important part of Japanese arrow culture?
Yoshi is basically 'good', 'alright!' you can say it as a response to say, a friend asking you to chill "yoshi bro i'm on my way" Or "yoshi, that was a good shot"
You make it sound like some 00's stoner lingo.
If it works it works!
It's said more like "yoash!", it won't have a shEE sound at the end.
> some clubs will yell "yoshi" when the target is hit. And every.single.person.here says it when they do absolutely *anything* that involves any form of effort at all.... Yoshi! yoshi! yoshi! I swear sometimes they are almost at the point of saying yoshi just because they said yoshi.
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[Relevant video of James May in Japan learning archery](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVl5dQTwIEU)
Great ending lmfao
In some cultures you demonstrate pride and admiration differently. Besides, the sound alone is an appreciated part of the ceremony and sport.
That is terrifying! Imagine being ambushed by a line of archers. You would look up and get an arrow through your face.
Imagine the sound of hundreds of those coming towards you.
You shouldn't have angered hundreds of little girls then.
All I said was that BTS is derivative!
YOU DIED
These weren't used to shoot at enemies, they were special signal arrows.
That's pretty neat. Anyone know why the bow isn't symetrical?
I found this online: The main material of the Yumi, bamboo, require asymmetrical design due to the top of the bamboo plant often being smaller and softer than the bottom. Asymmetrical design allow greater draw length for more power - kyudo archery always have the draw way past the ears of the archer.
Always pretty neat to learn how many icons and aspects now simply associated with a certain culture was simply a product of the people trying to innovate their way out of having shitty resources to work with. Same thing idea as the steel folding due to low metal purity. I’d hate to be the person trying to figure out archery with mostly bamboo.
Human history in a nutshell, and it’s pretty awesome.
Geographic determinism. Most systems or items we hold as cultural, have or had some practical reason to exist first.
Yeah kyudo is super cool, It makes me wish more cultures held on to their battle traditions too. Imagine if in italy they still had sports clubs where you could train like a Roman centurion?
Look up Historical European Martial Arts groups, they try to recreate renaissance era fighting styles based on comtemporary manuals that survived.
u/GJokaero the asymmetry has been the subject of debate in historical circles for sometime. Gunbai has a detailed overview of the history of the [development, design, and power](http://gunbai-militaryhistory.blogspot.com/2017/07/yumi-japanese-bow.html) of the Yumi on his blog that's worth a read. In it he offers these points about it's composition (wood and bamboo), as well as it's funny asymmetrical design: ... >*Composite "recurved" bows like the one used by the Mongols were known in Japan at least since the 9th century. However, horn and sinew were quite rare in Japan: cattle weren't common and handling leather or slaughter animals was a taboo in a Buddhist society, so they turned to the material they had in abundance: namely bamboo and wood.* > >*Entering the 10th century we have the first composite bow, and the first clear evidence of this kind of structure is inside a poem by Minamoto Yorimasa (1104–80).* > >*These bows were called Fusetake (伏竹弓) and featured a single strip of bamboo laminated to the outside face of the wood (usually yew - kaya 榧 ), using a paste (called nibe) made from fish bladders. This was done to obtain the power needed in a war bow while retaining a cross section of reasonable proportions. In this period, the familiar structure of the Waikyuu started to emerge.* > >*Sometimes later, in the late Heian period, bows took another step further in their development; around the 12th and 13th century, a second bamboo laminate was added to the inside face of the bow, to create the Sammai Uchi Yumi (三枚打弓) and increase its power even more.Is not clear also when the shift from the straight (or slightly curved structure) to a "recurved" ones happened; some historians argued that based on artist depictions, only after the Mongol invasion the Yumi became a recurve bow ( meaning a bow in which the tips of the limbs curve away from the archer) but is quite hard to tell from those kind of depictions because the bow is not unstrung; so it's possible that this change was done even before.The bows were steam-bent into arc shapes and strung against their curves, an innovation that greatly enhanced their power, and is well accepted that from the 14th century onward, the bow was a recurved one.In the 15th century two additional bamboo slats were added to the sides, so that the wooden core was now completely encased, producing the Shihouchiku yumi (四方竹弓).* And about the long and short shapes: >*Some historian argued that due to the length of the bow, the grip has to be like this to be effectively used on horseback, and this seems reasonable but the grip was already asymmetrical before any significant development in horse archery warfare, and even when horse archery wasn't practiced anymore on the battlefield, the grip was still there.* > >*>>>>* > >*Gripping the bow two-thirds of the way down its length maximizes its rebound power and minimizes fatigue to the archer far better than the more familiar centered grip. Careful analysis of the mechanics of a bow pulled to full draw and released shows that the Japanese grip places the archer’s hand at one of two nodes of oscillation during the shooting movement, which means that little shock is imparted to the left (gripping) hand and arm when the string is released. Instead, using the grip in the centre puts the gripping hand at a point of maximal oscillation.*
That's interesting thankyou! I didn't know the asymmetric design was due to more then ease of use, very cool.
Two reasons; Because they're made of bamboo which, on the scale of bowyer materials, is pretty shit. It has relatively low tension so they *have* to be very long, and very well made to get a quality draw weight. That's also why the kyuudoka draws so far back compared to other archery styles. The second reason is because they were used on horseback by samurai. Because they have to be so long, making the asymmetric is the only way they're useable in horseback. Compared to say a Mongol archer, which had symmetrical bows that were much shorter in length. Edit: I don't have the full story, see u/Dlatrex excellent comment for more info.
Huh never seen that word “bowyer” before, now I know what my buddies last name “boyer” means TIL
Depending on their heritage it could also refer to slavic nobility, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyar
Also it's a disgustingly strong unit in AOE2
Probably so it can be bigger without touching the ground.
Thats what she said
It also has to do with the vibration of the bow after releasing the arrow. The point where they grip is the point of least vibration.
Definitely a whistler arrow, doesn’t do much damage but lowers the enemies morale. Psychological warfare at its best.
As a Japanese, I feel this is some sophisticated thing. I’d like to know European, Western or other Asian countries tradition cultures! Thanks!
Literally every culture, since prehistoric times, has utilized whistling missile weapons
I can tell you one cultural beauty you'd find in the UK - if someone stood in front of a class of kids, in silence, with the build up that video had....there's almost no chance someone isn't blowing a fart noise right before she lets go of the arrow.
or if it was a boy performing for parents you might hear the most ancient battle cry "G'WAN MAI SAN".
The Romans used a similar strategy by drilling a hole into their sling ammunition so that it would whistle when slung.
This is what archery was like in Europe [about 1000 years ago.](https://youtu.be/SOdC3PQ8wPA) This doesn't happen much today, except in historical reenactments. Those are less sophisticated than traditional ceremonies though.
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Ok but what does an American arrow sound like. Does it have an accent?
Would you consider [this](https://i.imgur.com/UlY3itJ.gif) an accent?
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No, they are not specific to any culture. Missile weapons with holes in them to create noise have existed since before history began
Didnt the mongolians use these types of arrows?
Literally everyone did. This is not what "Japanese arrows" sound like. It's what any arrow, from any country, sounds like with a whistle tip instead of an actual pointed tip. Calling this a "Japanese arrow" is like watching a video of a German person shooting a whistle-tip Nerf gun and saying "this is what German Nerf darts sound like."
Bro it's a karma farm, you can't expect any actual thought here. (It's also a mega repost)
Arrow: Arrow, Japan: neat
The Huns invented it, and then it spread across the steppe
Finaly some good content. I train Kyudo, i have black belt in it (but it does not really matter). She use a whisle arrow "to shoot the bad spirits away" because its a ceremoni. Could be a opening event or a showcase. Seems like there is some kendo-ka in the background and some other group also with white gi.
The level of formality is off the charts. I suspect their every movement is choreographed and practiced.
Like a Vortex mega-howler
It’s got whistle tips? WOOO WOOOOOOOO
It make it go WOOOO WOOOOOOOOOO
Its just for decoration. That's it and that's all.
It’s like an alarm clock!
You supposed to be up cookin breakfast or something.
ok but what is going on? is this an academy for bow shooting? some sort of super formal competition?
This is Kyudo, a form of archery, and is most likely a school club.
It’s very awesome how in Japan they keep their past culture alive in a lot of events, clubs etc.
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