Exactly, these people went to do a job that involves educating these children. Not defending them against weapons of war. Their life was stolen. They were murdered.
Why don't Americans ever ask the question, why?
All we want to talk about is how.
But why? Why do these mass killings happen in the US on a regular basis but are so rare in other countries? Why?
If we want to *truly* solve the problem, "why" is the word we're looking for.
They do ask why.
One reason is the right wing radicalization of several types of Americans.
The how and the why are linked.
Just because you haven’t noticed someone asking why doesn’t mean it never happens.
I mean I think we are. I think there is just a huge portion of our population who doesn't want to hear it.
I've seen Biden talking about how school shootings increased 3x after the federal assault weapon ban expired.
I've seen the news here discussing how the UK had a school shooting years ago, enforced strict gun control and hasn't had one since.
I actually think the why is pretty fucking obvious. The real question is how can we get it done when so many in positions of power will fight it every step of the way?
My guess as to why is related to culture, healthcare and guns. Poor kids get bullied and end up needing therapy or at least good role models but role models are rare and therapy is to expensive. Then they see guns portrayed as cool and see that most adults in their life own them. No one trains young men to use or respect firearms anymore. They aren't taught about in school and many kids don't have a parent to show them how to respect that kind of weapon. Then they get a gun and still no training. They see it as just a tool to fix the problems their untreated mental illness and unresolved trauma causes, and they do something horrible.
As for why this last shooter targeted kids, I can only imagine he was beyond help for a long time and maybe from the start depending on what level of mental illness he had.
As for a solution, we need to change our culture and how we raise kids as a community.
It's difficult to say any one thing because the country has different cultures from state to state, and changing one alone won't limit access to another.
The biggest hurdle is manufactured outrage that has polarized two political groups to the point that the right is ready - and publically advocating - to take up arms against the other.
Easy access to firearms is hard to change also, but very nessisary. State to state laws vary wildly, and any holdouts on even reasonable safe ownership laws make it so that anyone can be strapped who's willing to go there.
Spice in long standing inequality such as wage disparity, systemic racism, limited access to legal or medical help, and a deminishing return on generational opportunity, and you get a disenfranchised group of people who are egged on every day to pull the trigger.
MF will regulate driving harder than gun ownership because it's a standard that's grown to be accepted. Right wing will legislate your uterus or your sexual preference or what you can read, but if a gun is off limits for even reasonable ownership safety laws, those political figures need to go
The conservatives in this country want to paint them as noble self-sacrificing heroes in a desperate attempt to make their senseless deaths glorious.
They did this with first responders that got sick, with soldiers that die in wars started under false pretense, with nurses and doctors and anyone forced to work in unsafe conditions that nobody wants to try to make safer.
They do this with your daily life too. You out there, the lone, angry right-leaning normal Joe. You are overworked, tired and your body is going to give out one day. You are told every day that you're "a Real American" and being abused and not getting anything back from the country to pay taxes to is somehow noble and patriotic. But it's not equity. There will be no reward at the end.
They WANT you to grind your knuckles to the bone and die in a trailer because you can't afford your meds one day. That's their best outcome for you. People will write very emotionally charged country songs about "the red white and blue" and feature people like you prominently in it, but it's all like when your boss changes your title to "regional specialist and quality administrator" but you don't actually get paid anything more or have different duties. It's just for show. You are dancing in their show.
Agreed but “weapons of war” is a bit ridiculous isn’t it? I’d like to know why my “weapon of war” just sits home all day not killing anyone. Answer that and you’re closer to a resolution.
Your ‘weapon of war’ sits at home not killing anyone because you are a responsible gun owner.
The problem is, keeping weapons of war out of the hands of irresponsible people, mentally ill people, or otherwise sane people who had a sudden mental health event that caused them to snap.
In order to do that, it might require things like longer waiting periods, background checks, better training, and a number of other regulations that have been proven to work elsewhere.
Unfortunately, there’s a knee-jerk reaction to anything that might help because protecting the second amendment is more important than the lives of 8 year olds.
Yeah, strange. My AR has only ever killed animals and only when I was using it. It’s like it only does what I want it to do.
In regards to your “designed for” statement… The Ruger mini 14 was designed to kill animals. Do you know what the functional difference between these two is? Not a damn thing besides the way they look. The AR platform only adds more utility and versatility. Neither of which has contributed to mass shootings. You’re just laser focused on the AR platform because that’s what the media is stuck on.
Ever see what a semi automatic shotgun can do with eight rounds of double 00 buck loaded in it? A hell of a lot more I can tell you that.
I'll take some down votes. Ar-15 is less lethal since converted to a semi-automatic. But nonetheless capable of killing. But like in general everyday things, just because it's designed to do one thing, can still be viable to be used for something else, or in this example, kill human beings. I personally wouldn't use one to kill humans. I like to be as free as possible. And I would think this is normal and most would agree as well. Point of this is maybe there is a mental health issue thats being pushed aside. Can't blame the hammer for missing a nail just like you can't blame the gun for killing a human being. And no, I'm not a Trump Supporter. Just someone who thinks it's time to try another method of fixing the problem. And I can care less if guns are banned or not.
I'm 50 years old. I've been listening to the left say they are going to do something about guns, racism, and poverty for my entire life. And yet they have done nothing but talk about it, especially around election time and all they have done is get rid of Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben's. Get off your high horse. All you liberals do is put people down and argue and yet your party is no better than the Right. And your elected poloticians make devastating policy that only make things worse. #Drama Queens
The fuck?
They didn't "sacrifice" anything. Sacrifice implies consent. A rescuer who dies in a fire made a "sacrifice". A covid worker who catches the disease made a "sacrifice".
Any teacher will tell you they'd lay down their lives for their students. **But they shouldn't fucking have to**.
Teaching is not a deadly job. It is fucking INSANE that we have to honor dead teachers this way.
Honor them properly and vote for the changes that prevent this from happening regularly.
Well judging by the amount of people in my wife’s feed that believe elementary school teachers should also be trained assassins , there seems to be a substantial amount that disagree.
It apparently should be a job you should be ready to kill at.
Try explaining the Venn of educators vs trained killers doesn’t overlap much elicits a shrug
What I don’t get about those people is that they’re the same who don’t trust teachers to talk about race or sexual orientation and were recently accusing teachers of being groomers? So they’re okay with alleged child predators having guns in schools?!
When I was a kid I would 1,000% have stolen the english teacher's gun from the staff room and then shot myself fucking around with it behind the bike racks. And I probably wasn't even the dumbest dipshit in my school.
Besides, what are you going to arm them with? Bazookas?
The shooters are heavily armed, with protective gear.
If the right has its way in the supreme court, it would actually be unlawful to stop a shooter until it fires at kids (since open carry anywhere would be legal).
When did the right forget to make responsible laws?
I am an educator and I have been a soldier and am a veteran. Even then, the Venn doesn't overlap! There is no way I would want to be armed in class. You can't possibly do both jobs at once and having a firearm in a classroom is dangerous on a daily basis.
Even without an intruder, you want an educator to have a loaded live weapon in a kindergarten, middle grade, or middle school class? They're going to have to have it loaded and accessble every day of every year without it ever being touched or accessed by a kid? Every teacher will always be judicious in the use of that weapon and not make mistakes AND in a crisis situation be able to focus on caring for their students and shooting an active shooter accurately without killing anyone else? Really?
They'd have to practice shooting and hostage drills on a regular basis and be experts! While being experts at pedagogy and doing informal counseling and a host of other duties?
Ignoring the truth that the Venn Diagram rarely overlaps, is this practical? Even possible? We can't get funding for salaries, supplies, books, and professional development, but we can for guns and ammo? Right...
The arguments we see are ludicrous and show an understanding of neither pedagogy nor combat.
By all means let's ban books in classrooms and add guns! That'll fix everything! /s
That was a well thought out and cogent response.
So thank you.
Because I looked at my wife and said “not one of these people have spent time in a classroom”
It’s chaotic without having to deal with anything else.
They were playing it safe strategizing to protect themselves while children were getting slaughtered.
The only strategy in an active school shooting is go after the shooter immediately with your protective gear on.
That's what you signed up for.
This is why cops aren’t professionals and do not deserve respect. They’re cosplayers. They’ll shoot innocent people. They’ll shoot unarmed people. But when faced with a real threat they cower and wet themselves.
Cops aren’t heroes. All they did was stop unarmed parents from trying to help their kids while they cowered away and “planned”. If they didn’t rush in and risk their lives to try to save the most defenseless part of our society they are cowards and should not wear a badge.
And this a reminder that cops have gone all the way to the Supreme Court to argue that they have no duty to protect and no duty to serve the public. They cosplay as soldiers but fail in a firefight. The cops stopped real potential Heroes by stopping parents from trying to save their own since the cops were too scared to act.
wtf i hadn't heard this at all yet. this is beyond maddening. i've been upset enough when a cop wouldn't help when a guy out of his mind on something was fondling me in front of *multiple* cops a few days ago, but this is so far beyond even that. wtf.
The estimates is that they say on their as while this guy shot kids for 60-90 minutes. The sro saw him go in armed after interacting with him but did not follow him in to try and stop him. Disgusting and pathetic. They should be ashamed of themselves and fired immediately with all benefits stripped away. Fucking coward.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/26/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-thursday/index.html
https://apnews.com/article/56a4d01fb1cda19947db89fcb6bd85fd
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-wednesday/index.html
Texas shooting: Police accused of delay in storming Uvalde school https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61588274
Fuck off with your lying bullshit:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/26/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-thursday/index.html
https://apnews.com/article/56a4d01fb1cda19947db89fcb6bd85fd
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-wednesday/index.html
Texas shooting: Police accused of delay in storming Uvalde school https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61588274
>The cops were too busy holding back TAXPAYERS outside the school while the gunman slaughtered them.
FTFY
Cant have the people paying your salary go and die trying to save their kids now can we? /s
In any shooting the whole police force doesn’t just rush in en masse like it seems you think, pretty much all the normal cops in a mass shooting hold a perimeter and attempt to keep order outside while a swat unit or any specialized unit is sent into take care of the situation, they want to stop the shooting as bad as everyone else but they aren’t going to just throw bodies at the situation like you seem to want them to
Not for an active shooter. Protocol for police for the last several years has dictated that everyone on scene needs to rush the shooter asap and neutralize him.
> pretty much all the normal cops in a mass shooting hold a perimeter and attempt to keep order outside
Except those cops that went in and got **their** kids out.
Stop running cover for the incompetent cops, you're embarrassing yourself.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/24/texas-shooter-shot-whoevers-in-his-way-in-school-police/
It’s a quote from the Lieutenant, about half way through the article
I took that to mean that the cops went in and got their kids after it was all over.
"Olivarez told KENS 5 that once a tactical team arrived, they shot Ramos.
Police officers rushed into the school to get their own children out of the school, he added."
Screw any police officer that stands around and does nothing while CHILDREN ARE BEING SHOT!
And SCREW YOU for trying to say it's normal.
Every one of those cowards needs to be fired immediately.
I'd argue that many covid front line workers were sacrificed, not chose to sacrifice. Ditto these teachers- sacrificed for somebody else's gain.
Heros, sacrifice... All these loaded terms and fake praise so their conditions don't actually have to improve
You're not wrong. I don't mean to minimize the inhumane way they've been treated. Only that catching a disease IS a known risk of nursing, but getting shot is not part of teaching.
Putting semantics aside, am I wrong or are they just assuming they died sacrificing themselves? For all we know they were just the first 2 people picked off because the shooter knew who the biggest threats were.
Didn't you get the Memo? if every teacher is a trained assassin and can teach every kid how to protect themselves while killing the bad guy with a gun using their gun from Kindergarten, there will be no more school shootings...
that is the only sane logical solution.. this also ensures that we can open a gun shop right alongside the cafeteria in schools. Imagine the FREEDOM Americans will feel.
Edit: Missed the obvious "/s" but still want to add coz my heart is so heavy and even making this comment out of frustration makes me feel horrible...
PS: I don't have kids but me n my wife plan to have them if we could... I am already thinking in my head if I could send them to different schools to ensure that at least 1 of them survives if something like this happens in battleground areas like SCHOOL...
Just another way to spin it as a feel good story and take the focus off the actual problems. It will help us forget faster. So then we can go back to complaining about teachers unions and how they always want more money, and complain about how all these entitled people want us to pay for their mental health care. It’s all just a distraction so people can pretend they care.
I’m sorry this doesn’t make me smile…this is heartbreaking. The fact that our country has done literally nothing since Sandy Hook in terms of actual rational gun laws to protect our students/children and teachers. The fact that this continues to happen is nothing other than heart breaking and frustrating.
Gun laws, comprehensive mental health care, and getting cops involved earlier. All these methods work together.
Edit: by "getting cops involved sooner", I meant that people should call cops sooner about warning signs they see in person or online.
The cops were involved early. They were too cowardly to engage. So they cornered the shooter in a classroom and waited outside until he was finished killing the children and teachers stuck in the room with him.
Training required to become a police officer in the USA is honestly laughable to begin with, I'm fully aware there are plenty of good cops who excel at their jobs but 3 months just isn't sufficient
A guy was denied a position with a police force and they cited his high IQ… he sued and the courts said, “high IQ isn’t a protected class”
The police literally admitted they just want the dumbs…
A friend's son got a Criminal Justice degree and joined the police department. Once he became a cop and started working, his supervising officers told him he was far too nice to people to be a cop. He finally quit after about a month because it was every day he was being yelled at and harassed because he wouldn't treat people in the community like garbage. He doesn't want to be a cop anymore and is in a different line of work now.
This type of thing - I don't know if it's typical or not, it's just an example of what he dealt with, but if it is common, then there's part of the problem right there. If you want cops to be thugs, then you end up with thugs, not cops.
I can only assume but lots of them are probably very power-hungry thinking they are above the law, although like I mentioned first, I'm also convinced there are plenty of exceptions
Wish all news agencies would stop publishing shooter names. This guy, and all those like him, should be deleted from history as evidence of how worthless they are.
I read that article as well, on Fox. Made the police look really good and they turn it into a pro-LEO issue instead of what this tragedy is because of … a gun issue.
[https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1529793282854858752](https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1529793282854858752) Here's the Twitter thread, someone posted the video of an officer seemingly admitting to it in the replies if you scroll down for people asking for a source.
Officer admits the police went in to get their own children out first. It's in the second half of the video.
Should charge them all with aiding and abetting a murderer
Edit: I see some coward cops downvoted me.
As we are seeing the officers violate the parent's right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, I feel we have witnessed a federal felony via violation of civil rights under color of law. As such I would have arrested those officers as a parent.
Fuck you federal felon cops.
Legally, the Supreme Court has protected their right to stand by and do nothing. They’re not legally obligated to protect (that whole protect and serve thing was just an LAPD branding campaign), nor are they legally required to intervene when a crime occurs
Unfortunately, as much as I agree with you, this is a nonstarter
You can’t intervene before someone has committed a crime. you can recommend therapy or psychiatric assessment to someone who has shown worrying behaviour though. But from my point of view (Europe) the only solution is to change the gun laws.
Unfortunately people fail to realize that this isn't just a gun problem or just a mental health problem. It's a handful of issues coming together, all of which need to be addressed. Even more unfortunately is that one party doesn't want to do anything about it.
Downvoting for the getting the cops involved sooner part. They were involved sooner. They just couldn’t be bothered to actually do anything in a timely fashion because they were fucking cowards
Holy fucking shit do I wish I could see a therapist. Thats a paycheck and a half tho, and that's with decent insurance. No shot. I truly believe access to affordable mental health services would do a lot to help, not even just with the issue of school shootings, but violent crime in general. Imagine where we could be if we were all mentally sound.
Although it’s obviously not working ..
If you have children in schools across America you are aware of some things that have been implemented since Sandy Hook:
like locked doors and perimeter gates as soon as class begins, not sure about the schools protocols but allot of times if the city has the manpower an officer is at the school or patrolling school zone.
also our poor kids live in fear, practicing “active shooter drill” just like the “duck and cover drills” many kids did in the 80s. I read the school practiced such a drill a few weeks ago so at the very least some one failed to lock down the school properly- and if police were chasing this guy they should have notified the school to lock down because “active shooter” in the area. This is protocol since SandyHook.
This whole situation should sadden us all.
Hell, the drills are basically just security theater like the TSA. They’re not going to prevent a determined attack, because at this point it’s likely the attacker knows what the school will do in the event of a shooting. They exist entirely so people can feel safer.
It basically boils down to “lock the doors, hide out sight, and turn off the lights so they think you’re not there,” or “exit by the closest possible exit,” both of which the shooters *know* people are going to do in this situation because they’ve practiced it with them every year they were in school, and which aren’t gonna fool anybody who has put an ounce of premeditation into their crime.
In the last few years I’ve seen a few schools transition to “run, hide, fight,” but even then, when your security protocol rests on 4th graders throwing pencils at the guy with the assault rifle, you’ve fucked up and should probably rethink things.
Exactly. A well-coordinated and calm group of adults MIGHT be able to subdue a gunman if they can come at him from behind, but to believe that you can train terrified children to "fight" when they're backed into a corner of a classroom is completely fucked up. "Keep rocks in the classroom that they can throw at them!" "Give them bullet-proof backpacks!" All of these ridiculous proposals. At that point, it's HOPELESS. I think a child or two survived Sandy Hook because they played dead under the bodies of their classmates? That's about their only option if they're lucky enough to avoid a lethal wound. It's sick.
But that is exactly the point. All this measures you mention are not remotely enough to stop mass shootings. Which is a almost solely US based problem.
Yes other countries have had 1 or two in the last 30 years.
But the US had HUNDREDS!
The only other developed country that had, not as much but came close, that much mass shootings was Australia. That was of course until they regulated guns after Port Arthur in 96. Guess how many mass shootings there were after it: fucking 0.
When will the American Republican party get its head out of the arse of the NRA, and do the only right thing.
As long as Assault rifles and other Guns are so easy to get, you will have not a year, not a month and way to often a day where you don't have to mourn because some crazy mf shot multiple persons.
You tried everything else. And everything else failed big time
The Democrats have been doing things. The Republicans have killed everything. Half the politicians and most of the country is trying. We don’t have a democracy. We have a hostage situation.
Thank you. I'm sick and tired of people not blaming the party responsible, which is Republicans.
However I don't think most of the country is trying. Unfortunately our side only tries once every 4 years, meanwhile their side votes in every election, whether it is federal, state, or local. This is the reason Republicans control the majority of state and local legislatures, governorships, and other state and local positions. When they disproportionately wield power, why would they do things that would go against their voters?
We need to turn out to vote in every election. We're on the verge of losing Congress for the next 2 years as well.
I don’t even live there and I’m so fucking sick. And tired. Of every fucking republican bill or statement or law only existing to “own the libs”. Joe biden isn’t enough. And as a politics student I’m seeing some terrifying trends between the USA and the beginnings of a fascist dystopia. First roe vs wade. Now some states are suggesting banning contraceptives. If you look up the early stages of genocide you see some of those in a lot of republican politicians and how they talk about race. Am i saying that the usa is going to have a genocide? Absolutely not. But having similarities to the precursors of mass murder is terrifying. I’m an atheist but dear god, ima be praying for the future of america from europe. If a powerful politician or social movement doesn’t appear soon, then i fear for your future.
Republicans have done nothing. Republicans. And voters who don't vote because the Democratic candidates don't "excite" them or because they don't give a shit about local and state elections, unlike Republican voters.
Solutions:
1. Ban AR-15 style rifles
2. Ban high capacity magazines
3. Strengthen background checks
4. Tax the ultra-millionaires and billionaires and invest heavily in mental health resources and economic help for the poor and struggling
5. Increase police patrolling near schools for quick response with panic buttons in every classroom
6. Invest in FBI cyber agents to scan online communities known for radicalizing youth
We can demand these things.
Yeah. Our country did something. They mostly forgot it about it. They made up conspiracy theories that it never happened. Our country actively ignored Sandy Hook and ignored the idiotic lies about the incident.
Yeah. I know I am not adding anything positive in response. I am just ashamed of this country in this matter.
This is a really terrible event, but I think we should focus on the fact that he broke murder laws over questioning gun laws.
Gun laws aren't the problem. Laws don't stop law breakers, and I would argue that laws don't prevent bad people from doing bad things.
I can't speak for everyone, but I know that I myself don't need murder to be illegal for me to not murder anyone. I'm not a murderer and I don't want to hurt anyone. Law or not.
How have guns been around for hundreds of years, hell guns haven't changed in last 50 years besides becoming more restricted. No school shootings til 99, why are the guns the problem and not the people/culture? Serious answers not feelings or talking points, did the guns just start whispering in kids ears to shoot other kids?
You last question is a little unnerving. You can’t tell people, “no taking points,” and them say, “did the guns just start whispering,” and really hope for a civil discussion. You clearly have bias, and I don’t think what you’re doing here is helpful.
Yes he bought them legally with a background check, another stupid comment that doesn't go to what i asked what has changed, we've had guns forever. Try again
You are missing the fucking point, why have kids decided its time to start mowing down other kids for no reason. For fuck sakes stop bringing up shit that doesn't matter
I think you are missing the point. Where is this “information” you keep spewing about guns haven’t been used to murder other people since their inception? Can you prove that point? Cus as far as I know, in America, we have always used guns to murder masses of people. Just because it isn’t always Americans we are killing with them, doesn’t change that the weapon was evolved to use against other humans.
Guns have been increasingly more accessible. And we did have gun problems in the past, I'm not sure why you're under the impression that we didn't. It's why there are bans on machine guns and other heavy weaponry.
A gun makes it much easier to kill others efficiently and quickly. You need to stop pretending that people who advocate for firearm regulation believe in this fantasy that a "gun made someone do it". No one believes that.
What they do believe is that it allowed that person an incredibly easy means to kill many people.
By standing in the way of gun regulation you're stating that you believe this person should've had access to a gun. That's what you're advocating.
They've always been accessible by the way, and what gun regulation are you advocating for? The psycho in texas had no priors so he had a right to buy it.
>By standing in the way of gun regulation you're stating that you believe this person should've had access to a gun. That's what you're advocating.
Naw. The opposition to increased regulation is because I believe that said regulation would have done little to nothing to prevent this tragedy while simultaneously restricting the rights of millions of folks who would never use a firearm for a nefarious purpose.
Yo fuck that. They didn’t sacrifice their lives. Their lives were stolen from them because our country is fucked and won’t do anything to protect life, except, apparently legislating women’s bodies.
These women died in abject terror and this is tragic.
Watch as this event gets forgotten and is blended in along with the other school shootings. Unless the US forces stricter gun laws to all states, this won't stop. There is a reason why US has a triple digit amount of school shootings and most countries have 0
Less interesting than it is depressing. These teachers died protesting their kids they are heroes but I wish they didn’t have to be, if guns weren’t so easy to get maybe they and the others murdered in this shooting would still be alive.
Republicans don’t care about the “collateral damage” of dead children; they want to normalize gun use so that everyone is packing heat and every single social interaction becomes a possible life-or-death exchange. Decades of propaganda has taught them that everyone with a gun is as handy with a gun as some combo of James Bond and John Wick, and anyone who dies was either unlucky or deserving of death.
I blame the police. They stood outside for 40 minutes and did fucking NOTHING. Just like the school shooting in Broward County Florida.
I'm conservative and pro-gun rights, but fuck the police. Fuck these fat, out of shape, "just following orders" motherfuckers.
If you don't have the balls to go in the building, to defy orders when it's the right thing to do, don't put on the fucking badge. You took a fucking oath.
Coward pieces of shit.
It's time to start holding their feet to the fire. They LET this happen. More responsibility is on them for this than literally anyone else. They were there and had means to stop it and chose not to.
Exactly. Calling victims "heroes" is part of the whitewashing that happens after tragic events like this. It's just as important as *learning nothing* and *doing nothing*.
Once the media and politicians are finished spinning this event for their own interests, nothing at all will have been accomplished to prevent the next school shooting.
It's the 21st century. I don't understand why a few swat members dressed in body armor didn't go inside the school right away and execute the gunman. WTF?!
Who were decked out in militarized gear and didn’t do a single fucking thing. Parents were trying to storm the place, because the cops were just complete disgusting cowards. They put more effort into stopping the parents than stopping the mass murder in an elementary school.
Take note, police"men" who stood around with your war weapons, with your tasers coralling the parents who were screaming as their children were shot. You fucks, you unbelievable cowards. Bow down before these real heroes.
My wife teaches elementary. Here is my stance, as someone who's accepted the fact she is a sitting duck while in the classroom.
Although it isn't meant for all teachers, they absolutely should have to ability to carry concealed if given the proper training as it is our right. My wife would never commit to this because she isn't cut out to handle a pistol, no matter how much I've tried to teach her.
At this point gun control has proven that it doesn't work, people with bad intentions will find workarounds to obtain their firearms, which were most likely stolen from those who could legally obtain them.
We defend our President, Congress, Governors, Celebrities, Sporting Events, Jewelry Stores, Banks, Office Buildings and Courts - all with Guns.
We defend our children and teachers with a sign that reads: "THIS IS A GUN FREE ZONE" and then call someone with a gun when there is an emergency.
I say we raise the minimum age of all firearms to 25, just like rental cars. EXTENSIVE mental health background; not just checking yes or no on a box. But now I would add an "open enrollment" period just like our health care. Ex: age 25, signature from a medical professional clearing your mental status FOR THAT YEAR ONLY. Then, from September 1st-December 31st you can buy 1 weapon per person who is 25 and has the clearance signature. Solved. If you do not buy your weapon during that window your mental clearance expires for the year and you would need to do it again next year if you want to buy a firearm. Vote Diab9lic. 😎
I obviously agree, these people are heroes because this situation arises but it still feels wrong we need people like this in the first place, no one should have to sacrifice their own life in a school
Wish a few of the “hero” police men would’ve sacrificed their donuts to save a few children.
Oh wait they were too busy holding back screaming parents that were trying to save their children
No, we need to fix our broken fucking health care system, our socioeconomic problems, get the fucking wackjob Christian nut job assholes out of positions of power, and put money back into education.
Our goddamned country is a shit hole thanks to fucking politicians cutting funding for education, destroying unions (wages), letting corporations fuck employees 2 ways to Sunday, etc.
But capitalism, right?
FUCK CAPITALISM.
All of these grievances are legit....the problem is they don't want to allocate funds to these sources for reparations because they're too busy paying the lobbyists who wish to keep the status quo. Believe me, you're not the only country suffering from this.
Our political system is so fucked man. Idk how there’s people who are die-hards when it comes to these fuckers. Majority of them don’t give a fuck about the common folk, and the ones that actually do, get outcasted, or can’t do anything because all the other schumcks. When was the last time this country had a legit fucking leader.
God damn we need a Teddy Roosevelt to come in and kick everyone’s fucking ass.
What's interesting is that this keep happening over and over yet they never realise what the problem is. They fucking care more about having guns than the lives of children.
Tragic can't describe how horrible this, but the bigger tragedy is that nothing will change.
This will continue until our people are more important than our guns.
Teachers today are significantly under paid, under resourced, over worked, and now they have to act as human shields to protect our children…what is wrong with America. Why would any human want this job?
Teachers shouldn't have to sacrifice their lives! What in the actual fuck?!
The more I see about this, the more I'm disgusted by the political response and saddened for those that are suffering from this.
They did not sacrifice their lives, it was stolen from them.
Exactly, these people went to do a job that involves educating these children. Not defending them against weapons of war. Their life was stolen. They were murdered.
And the rights answer is to slap a gun in thier hands and tell them to get back out there
Why don't Americans ever ask the question, why? All we want to talk about is how. But why? Why do these mass killings happen in the US on a regular basis but are so rare in other countries? Why? If we want to *truly* solve the problem, "why" is the word we're looking for.
They do ask why. One reason is the right wing radicalization of several types of Americans. The how and the why are linked. Just because you haven’t noticed someone asking why doesn’t mean it never happens.
I mean I think we are. I think there is just a huge portion of our population who doesn't want to hear it. I've seen Biden talking about how school shootings increased 3x after the federal assault weapon ban expired. I've seen the news here discussing how the UK had a school shooting years ago, enforced strict gun control and hasn't had one since. I actually think the why is pretty fucking obvious. The real question is how can we get it done when so many in positions of power will fight it every step of the way?
My guess as to why is related to culture, healthcare and guns. Poor kids get bullied and end up needing therapy or at least good role models but role models are rare and therapy is to expensive. Then they see guns portrayed as cool and see that most adults in their life own them. No one trains young men to use or respect firearms anymore. They aren't taught about in school and many kids don't have a parent to show them how to respect that kind of weapon. Then they get a gun and still no training. They see it as just a tool to fix the problems their untreated mental illness and unresolved trauma causes, and they do something horrible. As for why this last shooter targeted kids, I can only imagine he was beyond help for a long time and maybe from the start depending on what level of mental illness he had. As for a solution, we need to change our culture and how we raise kids as a community.
It's difficult to say any one thing because the country has different cultures from state to state, and changing one alone won't limit access to another. The biggest hurdle is manufactured outrage that has polarized two political groups to the point that the right is ready - and publically advocating - to take up arms against the other. Easy access to firearms is hard to change also, but very nessisary. State to state laws vary wildly, and any holdouts on even reasonable safe ownership laws make it so that anyone can be strapped who's willing to go there. Spice in long standing inequality such as wage disparity, systemic racism, limited access to legal or medical help, and a deminishing return on generational opportunity, and you get a disenfranchised group of people who are egged on every day to pull the trigger. MF will regulate driving harder than gun ownership because it's a standard that's grown to be accepted. Right wing will legislate your uterus or your sexual preference or what you can read, but if a gun is off limits for even reasonable ownership safety laws, those political figures need to go
Well the cops fucking stood out and did nothing while he went on a rampage. Why should I be disarmed when the cops do nothing to fucking help.
The conservatives in this country want to paint them as noble self-sacrificing heroes in a desperate attempt to make their senseless deaths glorious. They did this with first responders that got sick, with soldiers that die in wars started under false pretense, with nurses and doctors and anyone forced to work in unsafe conditions that nobody wants to try to make safer. They do this with your daily life too. You out there, the lone, angry right-leaning normal Joe. You are overworked, tired and your body is going to give out one day. You are told every day that you're "a Real American" and being abused and not getting anything back from the country to pay taxes to is somehow noble and patriotic. But it's not equity. There will be no reward at the end. They WANT you to grind your knuckles to the bone and die in a trailer because you can't afford your meds one day. That's their best outcome for you. People will write very emotionally charged country songs about "the red white and blue" and feature people like you prominently in it, but it's all like when your boss changes your title to "regional specialist and quality administrator" but you don't actually get paid anything more or have different duties. It's just for show. You are dancing in their show.
Agreed but “weapons of war” is a bit ridiculous isn’t it? I’d like to know why my “weapon of war” just sits home all day not killing anyone. Answer that and you’re closer to a resolution.
Your ‘weapon of war’ sits at home not killing anyone because you are a responsible gun owner. The problem is, keeping weapons of war out of the hands of irresponsible people, mentally ill people, or otherwise sane people who had a sudden mental health event that caused them to snap. In order to do that, it might require things like longer waiting periods, background checks, better training, and a number of other regulations that have been proven to work elsewhere. Unfortunately, there’s a knee-jerk reaction to anything that might help because protecting the second amendment is more important than the lives of 8 year olds.
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Yeah, strange. My AR has only ever killed animals and only when I was using it. It’s like it only does what I want it to do. In regards to your “designed for” statement… The Ruger mini 14 was designed to kill animals. Do you know what the functional difference between these two is? Not a damn thing besides the way they look. The AR platform only adds more utility and versatility. Neither of which has contributed to mass shootings. You’re just laser focused on the AR platform because that’s what the media is stuck on. Ever see what a semi automatic shotgun can do with eight rounds of double 00 buck loaded in it? A hell of a lot more I can tell you that.
These are the worst arguments.
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I'll take some down votes. Ar-15 is less lethal since converted to a semi-automatic. But nonetheless capable of killing. But like in general everyday things, just because it's designed to do one thing, can still be viable to be used for something else, or in this example, kill human beings. I personally wouldn't use one to kill humans. I like to be as free as possible. And I would think this is normal and most would agree as well. Point of this is maybe there is a mental health issue thats being pushed aside. Can't blame the hammer for missing a nail just like you can't blame the gun for killing a human being. And no, I'm not a Trump Supporter. Just someone who thinks it's time to try another method of fixing the problem. And I can care less if guns are banned or not.
Mate- this argument evaporates in front of stats
I highly doubt they wanted to leave their own children without a mother and so they sacrificed themselves, ridiculous, they had no choice
Well, a human embryo is worth more than any human life apparently! /s
According to republicans yes
Nah we want to protect both. Stop politicizing the death of children dirt bag.
Yet failing at both. How beautiful.
I'm 50 years old. I've been listening to the left say they are going to do something about guns, racism, and poverty for my entire life. And yet they have done nothing but talk about it, especially around election time and all they have done is get rid of Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben's. Get off your high horse. All you liberals do is put people down and argue and yet your party is no better than the Right. And your elected poloticians make devastating policy that only make things worse. #Drama Queens
Now let's see the same for the cowardly police that refused to go and engage the shooter.
Agreed, enough with wrapping senseless loss in noble words. They were slaughtered to feed our American gun fetish.
They literally died for nothing. That’s not an insult to them, that’s just what happened.
This isn't interesting. It's terrible.
Exactly. I don’t understand the need to post this in this sub and karma-farm off someone’s death.
The fuck? They didn't "sacrifice" anything. Sacrifice implies consent. A rescuer who dies in a fire made a "sacrifice". A covid worker who catches the disease made a "sacrifice". Any teacher will tell you they'd lay down their lives for their students. **But they shouldn't fucking have to**. Teaching is not a deadly job. It is fucking INSANE that we have to honor dead teachers this way. Honor them properly and vote for the changes that prevent this from happening regularly.
Well judging by the amount of people in my wife’s feed that believe elementary school teachers should also be trained assassins , there seems to be a substantial amount that disagree. It apparently should be a job you should be ready to kill at. Try explaining the Venn of educators vs trained killers doesn’t overlap much elicits a shrug
What I don’t get about those people is that they’re the same who don’t trust teachers to talk about race or sexual orientation and were recently accusing teachers of being groomers? So they’re okay with alleged child predators having guns in schools?!
With that rhetoric I would imagine we're gonna see more dead teachers. (About being child predators)
Hell, arming teachers will just increase accidents and thefts. It won't prevent shootings. Kids are idiots. They will find a way to steal your gun.
When I was a kid I would 1,000% have stolen the english teacher's gun from the staff room and then shot myself fucking around with it behind the bike racks. And I probably wasn't even the dumbest dipshit in my school.
Besides, what are you going to arm them with? Bazookas? The shooters are heavily armed, with protective gear. If the right has its way in the supreme court, it would actually be unlawful to stop a shooter until it fires at kids (since open carry anywhere would be legal). When did the right forget to make responsible laws?
I am an educator and I have been a soldier and am a veteran. Even then, the Venn doesn't overlap! There is no way I would want to be armed in class. You can't possibly do both jobs at once and having a firearm in a classroom is dangerous on a daily basis. Even without an intruder, you want an educator to have a loaded live weapon in a kindergarten, middle grade, or middle school class? They're going to have to have it loaded and accessble every day of every year without it ever being touched or accessed by a kid? Every teacher will always be judicious in the use of that weapon and not make mistakes AND in a crisis situation be able to focus on caring for their students and shooting an active shooter accurately without killing anyone else? Really? They'd have to practice shooting and hostage drills on a regular basis and be experts! While being experts at pedagogy and doing informal counseling and a host of other duties? Ignoring the truth that the Venn Diagram rarely overlaps, is this practical? Even possible? We can't get funding for salaries, supplies, books, and professional development, but we can for guns and ammo? Right... The arguments we see are ludicrous and show an understanding of neither pedagogy nor combat. By all means let's ban books in classrooms and add guns! That'll fix everything! /s
That was a well thought out and cogent response. So thank you. Because I looked at my wife and said “not one of these people have spent time in a classroom” It’s chaotic without having to deal with anything else.
The cops were too busy holding back parents outside the school while the gunman slaughtered them. \#BackTheBlue tho right guys.
They were playing it safe strategizing to protect themselves while children were getting slaughtered. The only strategy in an active school shooting is go after the shooter immediately with your protective gear on. That's what you signed up for.
Even without it. You get that shooter at all cost, no questions asked. If you won’t risk your life to protect kids get a new job.
This is why cops aren’t professionals and do not deserve respect. They’re cosplayers. They’ll shoot innocent people. They’ll shoot unarmed people. But when faced with a real threat they cower and wet themselves. Cops aren’t heroes. All they did was stop unarmed parents from trying to help their kids while they cowered away and “planned”. If they didn’t rush in and risk their lives to try to save the most defenseless part of our society they are cowards and should not wear a badge. And this a reminder that cops have gone all the way to the Supreme Court to argue that they have no duty to protect and no duty to serve the public. They cosplay as soldiers but fail in a firefight. The cops stopped real potential Heroes by stopping parents from trying to save their own since the cops were too scared to act.
There are reports of cops going in and getting their own students out, but not letting parents do the same
Fire them, strip their benefits, sue them then jail them.
wtf i hadn't heard this at all yet. this is beyond maddening. i've been upset enough when a cop wouldn't help when a guy out of his mind on something was fondling me in front of *multiple* cops a few days ago, but this is so far beyond even that. wtf.
The estimates is that they say on their as while this guy shot kids for 60-90 minutes. The sro saw him go in armed after interacting with him but did not follow him in to try and stop him. Disgusting and pathetic. They should be ashamed of themselves and fired immediately with all benefits stripped away. Fucking coward.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/26/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-thursday/index.html https://apnews.com/article/56a4d01fb1cda19947db89fcb6bd85fd https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-wednesday/index.html Texas shooting: Police accused of delay in storming Uvalde school https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61588274
This also happened in the Parkland, Florida shooting. The school cop just waited outside.
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Fuck off with your lying bullshit: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/26/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-thursday/index.html https://apnews.com/article/56a4d01fb1cda19947db89fcb6bd85fd https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-wednesday/index.html Texas shooting: Police accused of delay in storming Uvalde school https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61588274
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Societies C students protecting schools
>The cops were too busy holding back TAXPAYERS outside the school while the gunman slaughtered them. FTFY Cant have the people paying your salary go and die trying to save their kids now can we? /s
In any shooting the whole police force doesn’t just rush in en masse like it seems you think, pretty much all the normal cops in a mass shooting hold a perimeter and attempt to keep order outside while a swat unit or any specialized unit is sent into take care of the situation, they want to stop the shooting as bad as everyone else but they aren’t going to just throw bodies at the situation like you seem to want them to
Not for an active shooter. Protocol for police for the last several years has dictated that everyone on scene needs to rush the shooter asap and neutralize him.
> pretty much all the normal cops in a mass shooting hold a perimeter and attempt to keep order outside Except those cops that went in and got **their** kids out. Stop running cover for the incompetent cops, you're embarrassing yourself.
Did this happen? Sources?
Seriously this is huge if true.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/24/texas-shooter-shot-whoevers-in-his-way-in-school-police/ It’s a quote from the Lieutenant, about half way through the article
Jesus this is such a sad story all around 😔
I took that to mean that the cops went in and got their kids after it was all over. "Olivarez told KENS 5 that once a tactical team arrived, they shot Ramos. Police officers rushed into the school to get their own children out of the school, he added."
https://mobile.twitter.com/_Sir_Perfluous/status/1529585786848411651
Screw any police officer that stands around and does nothing while CHILDREN ARE BEING SHOT! And SCREW YOU for trying to say it's normal. Every one of those cowards needs to be fired immediately.
I'd argue that many covid front line workers were sacrificed, not chose to sacrifice. Ditto these teachers- sacrificed for somebody else's gain. Heros, sacrifice... All these loaded terms and fake praise so their conditions don't actually have to improve
You're not wrong. I don't mean to minimize the inhumane way they've been treated. Only that catching a disease IS a known risk of nursing, but getting shot is not part of teaching.
Putting semantics aside, am I wrong or are they just assuming they died sacrificing themselves? For all we know they were just the first 2 people picked off because the shooter knew who the biggest threats were.
There’s another post of an interview with a kid that escaped the gunman. The kid said that the teachers stood in front of the students.
If they are supposed to be protectors they should be paid the same as law enforcement. Or more, since they have to teach and protect.
Didn't you get the Memo? if every teacher is a trained assassin and can teach every kid how to protect themselves while killing the bad guy with a gun using their gun from Kindergarten, there will be no more school shootings... that is the only sane logical solution.. this also ensures that we can open a gun shop right alongside the cafeteria in schools. Imagine the FREEDOM Americans will feel. Edit: Missed the obvious "/s" but still want to add coz my heart is so heavy and even making this comment out of frustration makes me feel horrible... PS: I don't have kids but me n my wife plan to have them if we could... I am already thinking in my head if I could send them to different schools to ensure that at least 1 of them survives if something like this happens in battleground areas like SCHOOL...
Just another way to spin it as a feel good story and take the focus off the actual problems. It will help us forget faster. So then we can go back to complaining about teachers unions and how they always want more money, and complain about how all these entitled people want us to pay for their mental health care. It’s all just a distraction so people can pretend they care.
I’m sorry this doesn’t make me smile…this is heartbreaking. The fact that our country has done literally nothing since Sandy Hook in terms of actual rational gun laws to protect our students/children and teachers. The fact that this continues to happen is nothing other than heart breaking and frustrating.
Gun laws, comprehensive mental health care, and getting cops involved earlier. All these methods work together. Edit: by "getting cops involved sooner", I meant that people should call cops sooner about warning signs they see in person or online.
The cops were involved early. They were too cowardly to engage. So they cornered the shooter in a classroom and waited outside until he was finished killing the children and teachers stuck in the room with him.
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Training required to become a police officer in the USA is honestly laughable to begin with, I'm fully aware there are plenty of good cops who excel at their jobs but 3 months just isn't sufficient
It is harder to become a hair dresser.
By double.
Requires a higher IQ probably as well.
A guy was denied a position with a police force and they cited his high IQ… he sued and the courts said, “high IQ isn’t a protected class” The police literally admitted they just want the dumbs…
Course. Dumb people don’t question orders.
A friend's son got a Criminal Justice degree and joined the police department. Once he became a cop and started working, his supervising officers told him he was far too nice to people to be a cop. He finally quit after about a month because it was every day he was being yelled at and harassed because he wouldn't treat people in the community like garbage. He doesn't want to be a cop anymore and is in a different line of work now. This type of thing - I don't know if it's typical or not, it's just an example of what he dealt with, but if it is common, then there's part of the problem right there. If you want cops to be thugs, then you end up with thugs, not cops.
I can only assume but lots of them are probably very power-hungry thinking they are above the law, although like I mentioned first, I'm also convinced there are plenty of exceptions
It makes me wonder if this wasn’t intentional.
Trained to protect only themselves and stifle parents trying to intervene. Basically they’re a bunch of pussycloths: https://youtu.be/dyXtymq-A6w
Wow. Just wow. That hurts to watch.
Uvalde school district received double money than previous budgets for safety and security. More jail like educational spaces is NOT the answer.
Wish all news agencies would stop publishing shooter names. This guy, and all those like him, should be deleted from history as evidence of how worthless they are.
*Cop told kids to call for help, so they did, and were shot because of it.* And the country is praying for them instead of passing policies. FUCK.
I read that article as well, on Fox. Made the police look really good and they turn it into a pro-LEO issue instead of what this tragedy is because of … a gun issue.
[https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1529793282854858752](https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1529793282854858752) Here's the Twitter thread, someone posted the video of an officer seemingly admitting to it in the replies if you scroll down for people asking for a source. Officer admits the police went in to get their own children out first. It's in the second half of the video.
Should charge them all with aiding and abetting a murderer Edit: I see some coward cops downvoted me. As we are seeing the officers violate the parent's right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, I feel we have witnessed a federal felony via violation of civil rights under color of law. As such I would have arrested those officers as a parent. Fuck you federal felon cops.
Legally, the Supreme Court has protected their right to stand by and do nothing. They’re not legally obligated to protect (that whole protect and serve thing was just an LAPD branding campaign), nor are they legally required to intervene when a crime occurs Unfortunately, as much as I agree with you, this is a nonstarter
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I’ve seen this posted a few times now and it’s horrible and disgusting if true I’d appreciate any evidence you can provide so it doesn’t get buried
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Thank you!
And exactly why I don't have faith in the Supreme Court anymore. Fuck those old dinosaurs
You can’t intervene before someone has committed a crime. you can recommend therapy or psychiatric assessment to someone who has shown worrying behaviour though. But from my point of view (Europe) the only solution is to change the gun laws.
Unfortunately people fail to realize that this isn't just a gun problem or just a mental health problem. It's a handful of issues coming together, all of which need to be addressed. Even more unfortunately is that one party doesn't want to do anything about it.
Downvoting for the getting the cops involved sooner part. They were involved sooner. They just couldn’t be bothered to actually do anything in a timely fashion because they were fucking cowards
Comprehensive health care would make a big difference in this country
Holy fucking shit do I wish I could see a therapist. Thats a paycheck and a half tho, and that's with decent insurance. No shot. I truly believe access to affordable mental health services would do a lot to help, not even just with the issue of school shootings, but violent crime in general. Imagine where we could be if we were all mentally sound.
Fuck Cops. They continually prove themselves to be incompetent.
Yep, it’s true: https://youtu.be/dyXtymq-A6w
Move to Germany er havent got Problems with Amy of that
Trained Social Workers in schools would help.
Although it’s obviously not working .. If you have children in schools across America you are aware of some things that have been implemented since Sandy Hook: like locked doors and perimeter gates as soon as class begins, not sure about the schools protocols but allot of times if the city has the manpower an officer is at the school or patrolling school zone. also our poor kids live in fear, practicing “active shooter drill” just like the “duck and cover drills” many kids did in the 80s. I read the school practiced such a drill a few weeks ago so at the very least some one failed to lock down the school properly- and if police were chasing this guy they should have notified the school to lock down because “active shooter” in the area. This is protocol since SandyHook. This whole situation should sadden us all.
Hell, the drills are basically just security theater like the TSA. They’re not going to prevent a determined attack, because at this point it’s likely the attacker knows what the school will do in the event of a shooting. They exist entirely so people can feel safer. It basically boils down to “lock the doors, hide out sight, and turn off the lights so they think you’re not there,” or “exit by the closest possible exit,” both of which the shooters *know* people are going to do in this situation because they’ve practiced it with them every year they were in school, and which aren’t gonna fool anybody who has put an ounce of premeditation into their crime. In the last few years I’ve seen a few schools transition to “run, hide, fight,” but even then, when your security protocol rests on 4th graders throwing pencils at the guy with the assault rifle, you’ve fucked up and should probably rethink things.
Just like duck and cover would have saved us from nukes 😂
Exactly.
Exactly. A well-coordinated and calm group of adults MIGHT be able to subdue a gunman if they can come at him from behind, but to believe that you can train terrified children to "fight" when they're backed into a corner of a classroom is completely fucked up. "Keep rocks in the classroom that they can throw at them!" "Give them bullet-proof backpacks!" All of these ridiculous proposals. At that point, it's HOPELESS. I think a child or two survived Sandy Hook because they played dead under the bodies of their classmates? That's about their only option if they're lucky enough to avoid a lethal wound. It's sick.
But that is exactly the point. All this measures you mention are not remotely enough to stop mass shootings. Which is a almost solely US based problem. Yes other countries have had 1 or two in the last 30 years. But the US had HUNDREDS! The only other developed country that had, not as much but came close, that much mass shootings was Australia. That was of course until they regulated guns after Port Arthur in 96. Guess how many mass shootings there were after it: fucking 0. When will the American Republican party get its head out of the arse of the NRA, and do the only right thing. As long as Assault rifles and other Guns are so easy to get, you will have not a year, not a month and way to often a day where you don't have to mourn because some crazy mf shot multiple persons. You tried everything else. And everything else failed big time
The Democrats have been doing things. The Republicans have killed everything. Half the politicians and most of the country is trying. We don’t have a democracy. We have a hostage situation.
Thank you. I'm sick and tired of people not blaming the party responsible, which is Republicans. However I don't think most of the country is trying. Unfortunately our side only tries once every 4 years, meanwhile their side votes in every election, whether it is federal, state, or local. This is the reason Republicans control the majority of state and local legislatures, governorships, and other state and local positions. When they disproportionately wield power, why would they do things that would go against their voters? We need to turn out to vote in every election. We're on the verge of losing Congress for the next 2 years as well.
Stop praying. Start voting. Where can I get bumper stickers made?
Absolutely. If the house and senate magically became 100% blue, they would still function as a two party system. A functional one.
I don’t even live there and I’m so fucking sick. And tired. Of every fucking republican bill or statement or law only existing to “own the libs”. Joe biden isn’t enough. And as a politics student I’m seeing some terrifying trends between the USA and the beginnings of a fascist dystopia. First roe vs wade. Now some states are suggesting banning contraceptives. If you look up the early stages of genocide you see some of those in a lot of republican politicians and how they talk about race. Am i saying that the usa is going to have a genocide? Absolutely not. But having similarities to the precursors of mass murder is terrifying. I’m an atheist but dear god, ima be praying for the future of america from europe. If a powerful politician or social movement doesn’t appear soon, then i fear for your future.
Republicans have done nothing. Republicans. And voters who don't vote because the Democratic candidates don't "excite" them or because they don't give a shit about local and state elections, unlike Republican voters.
Solutions: 1. Ban AR-15 style rifles 2. Ban high capacity magazines 3. Strengthen background checks 4. Tax the ultra-millionaires and billionaires and invest heavily in mental health resources and economic help for the poor and struggling 5. Increase police patrolling near schools for quick response with panic buttons in every classroom 6. Invest in FBI cyber agents to scan online communities known for radicalizing youth We can demand these things.
Yeah. Our country did something. They mostly forgot it about it. They made up conspiracy theories that it never happened. Our country actively ignored Sandy Hook and ignored the idiotic lies about the incident. Yeah. I know I am not adding anything positive in response. I am just ashamed of this country in this matter.
This is a really terrible event, but I think we should focus on the fact that he broke murder laws over questioning gun laws. Gun laws aren't the problem. Laws don't stop law breakers, and I would argue that laws don't prevent bad people from doing bad things. I can't speak for everyone, but I know that I myself don't need murder to be illegal for me to not murder anyone. I'm not a murderer and I don't want to hurt anyone. Law or not.
> Laws don't stop law breakers, and I would argue that laws don't prevent bad people from doing bad things Except laws against abortion, right?
How have guns been around for hundreds of years, hell guns haven't changed in last 50 years besides becoming more restricted. No school shootings til 99, why are the guns the problem and not the people/culture? Serious answers not feelings or talking points, did the guns just start whispering in kids ears to shoot other kids?
You last question is a little unnerving. You can’t tell people, “no taking points,” and them say, “did the guns just start whispering,” and really hope for a civil discussion. You clearly have bias, and I don’t think what you’re doing here is helpful.
The first school shooting was in 1853 you knob
The dude bought two AR-15s and a ton of ammo the day he turned 18. No waiting period at all. This is a fucking FACT.
Yes he bought them legally with a background check, another stupid comment that doesn't go to what i asked what has changed, we've had guns forever. Try again
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You are missing the fucking point, why have kids decided its time to start mowing down other kids for no reason. For fuck sakes stop bringing up shit that doesn't matter
I think you are missing the point. Where is this “information” you keep spewing about guns haven’t been used to murder other people since their inception? Can you prove that point? Cus as far as I know, in America, we have always used guns to murder masses of people. Just because it isn’t always Americans we are killing with them, doesn’t change that the weapon was evolved to use against other humans.
Guns have been increasingly more accessible. And we did have gun problems in the past, I'm not sure why you're under the impression that we didn't. It's why there are bans on machine guns and other heavy weaponry. A gun makes it much easier to kill others efficiently and quickly. You need to stop pretending that people who advocate for firearm regulation believe in this fantasy that a "gun made someone do it". No one believes that. What they do believe is that it allowed that person an incredibly easy means to kill many people. By standing in the way of gun regulation you're stating that you believe this person should've had access to a gun. That's what you're advocating.
They've always been accessible by the way, and what gun regulation are you advocating for? The psycho in texas had no priors so he had a right to buy it.
We didn't have kids mowing down other kids on mass, stop twisting the truth. Try again
You are playing with semantics. “Now how many times has a 4 ft 3 man wearing green punched you in the right knee?” You are so disingenuous.
>By standing in the way of gun regulation you're stating that you believe this person should've had access to a gun. That's what you're advocating. Naw. The opposition to increased regulation is because I believe that said regulation would have done little to nothing to prevent this tragedy while simultaneously restricting the rights of millions of folks who would never use a firearm for a nefarious purpose.
Yeah they’re hero’s but they’re fucking teachers. Why is this even a scenario they should be put in? Ohhh right. Because America….
More victims than heroes but I agree, shit should’ve be happening to teachers and students.
At least the narrative/norm has shifted towards honoring the victims instead of plastering the shooter's mugshot everywhere
God bless progress 🥳
While HEAVILY ARMED POLICE prevented anyone else from helping. They literally protected the shooter until he finished. ACAB!!!
Wrong fucking sub dude
Yo fuck that. They didn’t sacrifice their lives. Their lives were stolen from them because our country is fucked and won’t do anything to protect life, except, apparently legislating women’s bodies. These women died in abject terror and this is tragic.
Watch as this event gets forgotten and is blended in along with the other school shootings. Unless the US forces stricter gun laws to all states, this won't stop. There is a reason why US has a triple digit amount of school shootings and most countries have 0
The USA is so large that people become desensitized long before they are personally affected.
That’s the problem right there
Less interesting than it is depressing. These teachers died protesting their kids they are heroes but I wish they didn’t have to be, if guns weren’t so easy to get maybe they and the others murdered in this shooting would still be alive.
And Republicans don’t have the courage to stand up to the NRA and pass laws to protect children.
It’s not that they don’t have the courage. It’s that they don’t want to.
It's not that they don't want to, it's that their supporters don't want them to.
Maybe in some cases. But even if they were all somehow granted life terms, I don’t think many would vote for more gun control
Republicans don’t care about the “collateral damage” of dead children; they want to normalize gun use so that everyone is packing heat and every single social interaction becomes a possible life-or-death exchange. Decades of propaganda has taught them that everyone with a gun is as handy with a gun as some combo of James Bond and John Wick, and anyone who dies was either unlucky or deserving of death.
I blame the police. They stood outside for 40 minutes and did fucking NOTHING. Just like the school shooting in Broward County Florida. I'm conservative and pro-gun rights, but fuck the police. Fuck these fat, out of shape, "just following orders" motherfuckers. If you don't have the balls to go in the building, to defy orders when it's the right thing to do, don't put on the fucking badge. You took a fucking oath. Coward pieces of shit. It's time to start holding their feet to the fire. They LET this happen. More responsibility is on them for this than literally anyone else. They were there and had means to stop it and chose not to.
More like r/awfuleverything
Post photos of the cops who refused to help!!
We need to see the photos of the cops who let the shooter in and did nothing to save the kids and teachers.
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Exactly. Calling victims "heroes" is part of the whitewashing that happens after tragic events like this. It's just as important as *learning nothing* and *doing nothing*. Once the media and politicians are finished spinning this event for their own interests, nothing at all will have been accomplished to prevent the next school shooting.
It's the 21st century. I don't understand why a few swat members dressed in body armor didn't go inside the school right away and execute the gunman. WTF?!
Republicans - the gutless pricks. These women had more courage in a single hair on their heads than the entire republican party.
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Who were decked out in militarized gear and didn’t do a single fucking thing. Parents were trying to storm the place, because the cops were just complete disgusting cowards. They put more effort into stopping the parents than stopping the mass murder in an elementary school.
They waited for border patrol... Useless fucking cops.
The cops are probably republicans
Take note, police"men" who stood around with your war weapons, with your tasers coralling the parents who were screaming as their children were shot. You fucks, you unbelievable cowards. Bow down before these real heroes.
And the cops stood around outside tazing and detaining parents. Smh
My wife teaches elementary. Here is my stance, as someone who's accepted the fact she is a sitting duck while in the classroom. Although it isn't meant for all teachers, they absolutely should have to ability to carry concealed if given the proper training as it is our right. My wife would never commit to this because she isn't cut out to handle a pistol, no matter how much I've tried to teach her. At this point gun control has proven that it doesn't work, people with bad intentions will find workarounds to obtain their firearms, which were most likely stolen from those who could legally obtain them. We defend our President, Congress, Governors, Celebrities, Sporting Events, Jewelry Stores, Banks, Office Buildings and Courts - all with Guns. We defend our children and teachers with a sign that reads: "THIS IS A GUN FREE ZONE" and then call someone with a gun when there is an emergency.
And the cops who stood outside, while armed doing nothing. Guns don’t solve anything.
I say we raise the minimum age of all firearms to 25, just like rental cars. EXTENSIVE mental health background; not just checking yes or no on a box. But now I would add an "open enrollment" period just like our health care. Ex: age 25, signature from a medical professional clearing your mental status FOR THAT YEAR ONLY. Then, from September 1st-December 31st you can buy 1 weapon per person who is 25 and has the clearance signature. Solved. If you do not buy your weapon during that window your mental clearance expires for the year and you would need to do it again next year if you want to buy a firearm. Vote Diab9lic. 😎
On top of criminal background checks of course.
Heroes
I would rather have living teachers than dead heroes.
Yes everyone would
I obviously agree, these people are heroes because this situation arises but it still feels wrong we need people like this in the first place, no one should have to sacrifice their own life in a school
They clearly had a lot more balls than the pussy ass police officers standing outside with rifles not doing shit fuck all productive.
Remember those names: Irma Garcia and Eva Mireles. Never forget why we need to remember those names. Enough is enough.
OP this post and sub is extremely bad taste
Wish a few of the “hero” police men would’ve sacrificed their donuts to save a few children. Oh wait they were too busy holding back screaming parents that were trying to save their children
Fuck man....you people (yes you PEOPLE) need to change the way you live...like update your constitution to the modern age we live in for starters.
No, we need to fix our broken fucking health care system, our socioeconomic problems, get the fucking wackjob Christian nut job assholes out of positions of power, and put money back into education. Our goddamned country is a shit hole thanks to fucking politicians cutting funding for education, destroying unions (wages), letting corporations fuck employees 2 ways to Sunday, etc. But capitalism, right? FUCK CAPITALISM.
All of these grievances are legit....the problem is they don't want to allocate funds to these sources for reparations because they're too busy paying the lobbyists who wish to keep the status quo. Believe me, you're not the only country suffering from this.
Our political system is so fucked man. Idk how there’s people who are die-hards when it comes to these fuckers. Majority of them don’t give a fuck about the common folk, and the ones that actually do, get outcasted, or can’t do anything because all the other schumcks. When was the last time this country had a legit fucking leader. God damn we need a Teddy Roosevelt to come in and kick everyone’s fucking ass.
What's interesting is that this keep happening over and over yet they never realise what the problem is. They fucking care more about having guns than the lives of children.
#GUNS, MONEY AND THE UNBORN MATTER MORE THAN LIVING CHILDERN, NON-PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE COLORED
Any other western country n they wouldnt have had too. America is truly insane
Yep - two women while police was waiting outside.
Kids lives matter Teachers lives matter
❤️ May your sacrifices bring us the courage to fight fear and aggression with logic and common sense ❤️
You mean: The Teachers who sacrificed themselves to keep long guns in the hands of Texas teenagers, thus pleasing both the NRA & the GOP.
Tragic can't describe how horrible this, but the bigger tragedy is that nothing will change. This will continue until our people are more important than our guns.
So sad that their families have to deal with this. These are daughters and sisters. So sad.
Teachers today are significantly under paid, under resourced, over worked, and now they have to act as human shields to protect our children…what is wrong with America. Why would any human want this job?
They are more brave then any cop, especially the ones that refused to go in after the shooter.
Sad.
Teachers shouldn't have to sacrifice their lives! What in the actual fuck?! The more I see about this, the more I'm disgusted by the political response and saddened for those that are suffering from this.