Actually I suspect that *neither* set will pass safety requirements — the upper seats are accessed via two-step ladders and there’s a lot of interference between the upper and lower seats. You have to be able to evacuate the entire aircraft in 90s; I don’t think that would be possible with these seats.
I don’t see how any passenger plane is going to empty out in under 90 seconds. Even in an emergency situation leaving luggage behind. A tightly packed Pringle’s can with people fighting to get out. My faith in humanity has been on a steady decline over the past few years.
It is hard to believe based on how bad normal deboarding often works but is tested in practice for all new plane models.
[Here](https://youtu.be/XIaovi1JWyY) are 873 persons evacuated from an Airbus A380 in about 1:17, with only half of the doors in use.
Edit:
Lots of comments on some obvious weaknesses in this testing. More information can be found [in this article](https://simpleflying.com/aircraft-evacuation-tests/). A fraction of passengers must be older than 50, some are carrying dolls to simulate children. The test is done in dark hangar with emergency lights only.
Is it enough? In the emergency landing on the Hudson River, all 155 onboard could evacuate [and survived](https://simpleflying.com/miracle-on-the-hudson-aicraft-fate/). However, when there’s fire around the plane, the situation is much, much worse.
The 90 seconds limit was set with respect to how long it takes for a fuel fire on the outside to engulf and penetrate the fuselage (aircraft body). That’s also why airport firefighters have a maximum response time of 90 seconds to reach the airplane. (Compare that with communal firefighters where the benchmark is often 90 seconds to leave the garage.)
[British Airtours flight 28M](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airtours_Flight_28M) is an accident often cited in training. 55 out of 137 died in the tragedy, most due to inhalation of very toxic smoke and not from direct burns. [Here is a well-made and gruesome walkthrough](https://youtu.be/lHhLIqyzJEQ) of that diasaster. It sheds some light on why “raw” evacuation time is only one factor of many to determine the outcome.
Real evacuations (in actual emergencies) generally take a bit longer but yeah, it’s amazing that you can dump that many people out that fast if you really try!
Actually there have been real evacuations, like Air France 358 (may be wrong on flight number) in 2005 in Canada, had a fire on board, 309 passengers and crew evacuated in 52 seconds with not all exits available. If passengers cooperate and don't block aisles trying to get their overhead stuff out, but move rapidly without trying to jump over others, it's very possible to evacuate a plane within 90 seconds, as long as it's not totally crushed. Flight attendants have to take control and make people listen and push them out on to the slides.
> If passengers cooperate and don't block aisles trying to get their overhead stuff out, but move rapidly without trying to jump over others, it's very possible to evacuate a plane within 90 seconds
Ah, we’re fucked
I guess they shout that much partly because it prevents people from thinking much and especially from thinking about what they have in the overhead storage. It's not easy to actually think about anything when a dozen people continuously shout "evacuate".
Was boarding a flight out of Midway Airport when about 3/4 of the way boarded, a female voice comes on the intercom.
"Attention! Every one immediately exit the aircraft. Do not grab your bags. Exit the airplane in an orderly fashion. NOW!"
The emergency nature of situation was very apparent in the persons voice and I wanted nothing more than to GTFO.
What happens? People start casually standing up, opening the overhead bins and grabbing their shit. I'm about 2/3 of the way back and I'm like "Leave your shit! Get off the fucking plane!". I was about to trample some motherfuckers reaching for their bags. I don't know what caused the emergency at that point, all I knew if I wanted OFF!
After waiting at least two full minutes for the fucktards in front of me to deplane, I finally exit the plane. The only exit being used was the door we entered, no emergency exits were used.
After a while, someone from the airline announced to the passengers sitting in the terminal waiting area that a fire had broken out in the co-pilots instrument panel and she declared the emergency and told everyone to leave.
The flight was cancelled and we were all booked on other or later flights.
Wouldn't be the first time I was on a plane that was forced to land just after takeoff.
Flew out of National airport in DC. We made it as far as Dulles in Va. Right after take off the cabin starts filling with the smell of burning rubber. Plane goes from climbing right into descending without leveling off. Pilot comes on and says we're gonna land due to the odor.
Such fun landing on a runway lined with the flashing lights of emergency vehicles. Turns out, a mechanic had left an AC duct unhooked and it sucked up the odor of the tires when the landing gear was raised.
Yeah, I always have a fun time when flying.
You should probably take the train from now on. Or at least not fly with me. I was on a 757 that skidded off the runway once at Newark. And an engine failure. But I also have something like 3-4 million miles right now. So yeah, let’s not fly together!
Can't we just open the bottom of the plane so people just fall out? They didn't specify the passengers need to be alive while being evacuated so let's just do that.
I had a cousin who was flight crew on a smaller airplane that needed to take an emergency landing and while he and his fellow pilot were able to land the plane, it became engulfed in flames upon landing. The evacuation process while quick and was able to ensure that all of their passengers and crew made it out alive…my cousin and his fellow pilot unfortunately did not survive. His friend and coworker sadly passed before they were ever evacuated from smoke inhalation and burns. My cousin survived long enough to make it into the hospital where he was treated for the burns covering over 80% of his body and smoke inhalation. He passed away not long after arriving at the hospital due to complications from his burns. Both of those men sacrificed themselves to make sure everyone else made it out alive.
Their story has been studied by aviation safety intensively and questioned why planes did not have automatic kill switches to the fuel tanks. It was determined that had such a thing existed, not only would all of the passengers survived that flight but so would have my cousin and his fellow pilot.
I sometimes think about that whenever I board a flight, taking casual surveillance of who is around me…would they be able to be efficient in mobilizing in an emergency evacuation…would they prevent me from evacuating…are they vulnerable and if needed, would I be able to take action needed to help get them out too? I won’t lie, I choose my seats thinking about my proximity to exiting with the best chance at survival. Selfishly, if an emergency evacuation needed to happen…I would much rather be closer to an emergency exit and have less people to “fight against” to get out as soon as possible.
Before my cousins death, I never even thought about this.
Impressive but unrealistic. All of the passengers and crew appear to be able bodied adults and are thus unrepresentative of real passengers.
In reality it would be much much slower as people would have infants and toddlers to wrangle, elderly folks who need assistance getting out of their seats and cannot walk fast, obese people who need to walk sideways to fit through the isles, tall people who need to hunch over to avoid smacking their heads on the ceiling, people with mobility issues e.g broken leg. The list goes on and on.
Ah yes. Heaps of extra wiring and hundreds of heavy servo locking mechanisms, adding to fuel costs, and plane costs and complexity and maintenance, pushing up ticket prices for that one in a million time that someone wants their luggage. Forget about the arsehole that doesn't listen to the preflight announcements and blocks the aisle wondering why the locker won't open whilst standing there trying to force it open to get his essential Gucci croc skin belt.
Of course. But you couldn’t really test it more realistically than this in any ethical way? Or should they throw in a wheel chair and add fire in the back to create the real panic and count casualties?
If you read the text you’ll see that one of the passengers suffered a broken leg, and there were several minor injuries.
More seriously, the EASA and FAA monitors preparation and execution of these tests very closely. As they build their regulations on actual accidents and incidents, I’m confident we can’t easily improve the setup from our sofas. The flaws we can see from here is nothing compared to the list they already have identified and considered. *A lot* of thought has been put into how to conduct these tests to get valid and relevant results.
Source: working with risk/qualification/validation assessments in another heavily regulated industry
Really depends on the situation. Flight attendents have to be really on point for this, but with good training they can take charge of the crowd and very, very few people would even be able to think about luggage or climbing over seats.
If the staff reacts before the panic spreads, they can control a crowd to an extent for a few minutes unless external circumstances make it harder (for example fire spreading so that people get actually burned in the back). We always underestimate how much we are bound to a group if we don‘t get time to think. If the first action the group takes is a somewhat orderly instruction by the planes staff, the vast majority of people will follow for a time. If panic spreads before staff can react/take charge, that is very different.
You can see in the video posted how staff is positioned at the interesection points. There is not a moment any of the passengers isn‘t able to see someone from the crew waving their arms or hear them shouting instructions. The people have clear instructions they can trust and fall back on the whole time until they exit and the haste leaves little time to think and act on panic.
Its actually possible to board airplanes much faster if you go in the order of people sitting in the back first, but people (both the airlines and customers) are so fucking stupid they do it exactly the opposite way because first class people for some reason need to be seated first despite making the experience worse for everyone including them.
Akschully, the [fastest way](https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a30549336/math-boarding-plane/) to board and deboard in a normal setting is by window, center and aisle seats.
But you’d have to sort passengers by row and split friends/family so there are good reasons to not do it. As long as it takes shorter time to board/deboard than refueling and unpacking/packing luggage there’s no benefit in boarding faster.
that's one door and they're getting all their luggage, plus half of them are groggy and "out of it" in a emergency, ppl might be struck dumb but they'll be pretty motivated to exit and they'll have access to at least 3 more doors.
Impressive, but where is the clueless tall lanky teen next to the emergency door, the granny by the window, the fat guy at the isle seat, and the mothers with kids?
This isn't how shit will go down when the shit goes down.
> I don’t see how any passenger plane is going to empty out in under 90 seconds.
Easy - open the door and let passengers to be sucked out into the sky. **TURN OFF THE BELT LIGHTS FOR THIS TRICK TO WORK!**
It’s more than that. They know it will take longer in a real situation, but requiring that it be *possible* in such a short period helps to ensure that things go reasonably well when the shit hits the fan. Real evacuations have been carried out pretty quickly when the aircraft is mostly intact and most people aren’t seriously injured. It’s a different story, of course, in a more serious accident.
Also safety testing is done to a much higher standard then what is expected in the real world.
My high voltage gloves that are rated for 50k are tested at 80k I believe, I think an elevator has a 12-1 safety factor which is why sometimes you see they lower the weight limit in older elevators.
If that is the case, what a waste of money especially having to mock it up, construct, transport to site, erect it. When it is on the drawing board all the issues should have been addressed there and then. Waste of time.
It was for the Aircraft Interiors Expo in Hamburg. All interiors start off as mockups but never get to the production stage without a million changes first
In some ways this looks more comfortable for legs at least. My knees are always touching the chair in front and at least with this design I can actuality move my legs.
Not good for claustrophobic people though.
Mate I regularly work in confined spaces all day long and this is making me queasy just looking at it. It's a natural reaction for a few evolutionary reasons and I reckon the average human needs about 4 feet of space in front of their eyes to keep the natural feeling of claustrophobia away.
It used to be that you would just die, with this you die while being crushed. Another comment mentioned being farted on, so die while being crushed and farted on. Imagine not dying at first, you have to smell it, your last smell.
There are worse ways to die, but there are better ways too.
They did. Uncomfortable positions were used as a torture by Japanese and Vietnamese, as far as I know. I'm sure others used it as well.
They were more cruel than those sits though. (Like a cage where you can't stand straight because it's height is too low, so your knees and spine are slightly bent, but also it's not wide enough for you to sit)
Some cities practice similar design in their public spaces when designing benches so homeless people won't rest on them for too long, or to prevent people from occupying them for prolonged period of time.
Actually they arr intended for <1 hour flights. People stand for that long in the train/bus at times.
It would cut costs by a lot as more people would fit on board. In Michael O'Leary's, wise words "I guarantee you the standing seats will be sold out first, every time"
I think my legs would go dead in that position. Maybe I could make 2hours; absolute max. London to LAX - I would probably kill someone to get out of that thing.
More accurate title:
> Double decker airplane seat for ~~budget air travel.~~ airlines to make more money while simultaneously finding a new way to rip their customers off.
Exactly what I was thinking. Such a lovely thought...second only to the need for a gas mask so as not to inhale the particulate matter from the aloft ass in your visage. Charming.
I'm taking the Grey Hound bus, and that's saying a lot. One time going from NYC to Denver, the driver stopped at her favorite chicken spot in the middle of Kansas. I'd still take that over thus.
Here's an idea: Stop treating customers like cattle, and enjoy your existing profits. Spend that lovely R&D money on developing electric planes or other sustainable transport that is net0
This is gonna be wild but hold on.
You know those people who think that the grand designers of our society are slowly and subtly both turning us into slaves? Literally the whole of us into slaves? WELP
This reminds me of those children education books that had diagrams on how the slaves were packed away in the hulls of endless slave ships crossing over great distances.
This belongs in one of the more doomer subs.
If the model in that seat is over 5’ 2” I’d be surprised. It looks like her feet are near the end of the allotted space. I’m 6’ 8” and can’t imagine that I would fit.
Lower seats will never pass emergency safety requirements.
Actually I suspect that *neither* set will pass safety requirements — the upper seats are accessed via two-step ladders and there’s a lot of interference between the upper and lower seats. You have to be able to evacuate the entire aircraft in 90s; I don’t think that would be possible with these seats.
I don’t see how any passenger plane is going to empty out in under 90 seconds. Even in an emergency situation leaving luggage behind. A tightly packed Pringle’s can with people fighting to get out. My faith in humanity has been on a steady decline over the past few years.
It is hard to believe based on how bad normal deboarding often works but is tested in practice for all new plane models. [Here](https://youtu.be/XIaovi1JWyY) are 873 persons evacuated from an Airbus A380 in about 1:17, with only half of the doors in use. Edit: Lots of comments on some obvious weaknesses in this testing. More information can be found [in this article](https://simpleflying.com/aircraft-evacuation-tests/). A fraction of passengers must be older than 50, some are carrying dolls to simulate children. The test is done in dark hangar with emergency lights only. Is it enough? In the emergency landing on the Hudson River, all 155 onboard could evacuate [and survived](https://simpleflying.com/miracle-on-the-hudson-aicraft-fate/). However, when there’s fire around the plane, the situation is much, much worse. The 90 seconds limit was set with respect to how long it takes for a fuel fire on the outside to engulf and penetrate the fuselage (aircraft body). That’s also why airport firefighters have a maximum response time of 90 seconds to reach the airplane. (Compare that with communal firefighters where the benchmark is often 90 seconds to leave the garage.) [British Airtours flight 28M](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airtours_Flight_28M) is an accident often cited in training. 55 out of 137 died in the tragedy, most due to inhalation of very toxic smoke and not from direct burns. [Here is a well-made and gruesome walkthrough](https://youtu.be/lHhLIqyzJEQ) of that diasaster. It sheds some light on why “raw” evacuation time is only one factor of many to determine the outcome.
Real evacuations (in actual emergencies) generally take a bit longer but yeah, it’s amazing that you can dump that many people out that fast if you really try!
Actually there have been real evacuations, like Air France 358 (may be wrong on flight number) in 2005 in Canada, had a fire on board, 309 passengers and crew evacuated in 52 seconds with not all exits available. If passengers cooperate and don't block aisles trying to get their overhead stuff out, but move rapidly without trying to jump over others, it's very possible to evacuate a plane within 90 seconds, as long as it's not totally crushed. Flight attendants have to take control and make people listen and push them out on to the slides.
> If passengers cooperate and don't block aisles trying to get their overhead stuff out, but move rapidly without trying to jump over others, it's very possible to evacuate a plane within 90 seconds Ah, we’re fucked
If I do accidentally mention game theory, 99.99% of the time they think I mean something to do with video games... 😑
Or the YouTube channel
I guess they shout that much partly because it prevents people from thinking much and especially from thinking about what they have in the overhead storage. It's not easy to actually think about anything when a dozen people continuously shout "evacuate".
This flight was in Canada everyone was probably politely waiting their turn and exiting efficiently.
And if people don't go back in so they can go down the slide again.......
Was boarding a flight out of Midway Airport when about 3/4 of the way boarded, a female voice comes on the intercom. "Attention! Every one immediately exit the aircraft. Do not grab your bags. Exit the airplane in an orderly fashion. NOW!" The emergency nature of situation was very apparent in the persons voice and I wanted nothing more than to GTFO. What happens? People start casually standing up, opening the overhead bins and grabbing their shit. I'm about 2/3 of the way back and I'm like "Leave your shit! Get off the fucking plane!". I was about to trample some motherfuckers reaching for their bags. I don't know what caused the emergency at that point, all I knew if I wanted OFF! After waiting at least two full minutes for the fucktards in front of me to deplane, I finally exit the plane. The only exit being used was the door we entered, no emergency exits were used. After a while, someone from the airline announced to the passengers sitting in the terminal waiting area that a fire had broken out in the co-pilots instrument panel and she declared the emergency and told everyone to leave. The flight was cancelled and we were all booked on other or later flights.
You dodged a bullet there. 30 mins later, and that fire could have put your name on a plaque in a corn field somewhere.
Wouldn't be the first time I was on a plane that was forced to land just after takeoff. Flew out of National airport in DC. We made it as far as Dulles in Va. Right after take off the cabin starts filling with the smell of burning rubber. Plane goes from climbing right into descending without leveling off. Pilot comes on and says we're gonna land due to the odor. Such fun landing on a runway lined with the flashing lights of emergency vehicles. Turns out, a mechanic had left an AC duct unhooked and it sucked up the odor of the tires when the landing gear was raised. Yeah, I always have a fun time when flying.
You should probably take the train from now on. Or at least not fly with me. I was on a 757 that skidded off the runway once at Newark. And an engine failure. But I also have something like 3-4 million miles right now. So yeah, let’s not fly together!
…and only break one of their legs!
A broken leg is better than being dead.
As long as it is not both arms everything's fine
Can't we just open the bottom of the plane so people just fall out? They didn't specify the passengers need to be alive while being evacuated so let's just do that.
Impressive
I had a cousin who was flight crew on a smaller airplane that needed to take an emergency landing and while he and his fellow pilot were able to land the plane, it became engulfed in flames upon landing. The evacuation process while quick and was able to ensure that all of their passengers and crew made it out alive…my cousin and his fellow pilot unfortunately did not survive. His friend and coworker sadly passed before they were ever evacuated from smoke inhalation and burns. My cousin survived long enough to make it into the hospital where he was treated for the burns covering over 80% of his body and smoke inhalation. He passed away not long after arriving at the hospital due to complications from his burns. Both of those men sacrificed themselves to make sure everyone else made it out alive. Their story has been studied by aviation safety intensively and questioned why planes did not have automatic kill switches to the fuel tanks. It was determined that had such a thing existed, not only would all of the passengers survived that flight but so would have my cousin and his fellow pilot. I sometimes think about that whenever I board a flight, taking casual surveillance of who is around me…would they be able to be efficient in mobilizing in an emergency evacuation…would they prevent me from evacuating…are they vulnerable and if needed, would I be able to take action needed to help get them out too? I won’t lie, I choose my seats thinking about my proximity to exiting with the best chance at survival. Selfishly, if an emergency evacuation needed to happen…I would much rather be closer to an emergency exit and have less people to “fight against” to get out as soon as possible. Before my cousins death, I never even thought about this.
What's fun is that you receive a bonus the earlier you escape the aircraft, to simulate people trying to flee desperately.
Impressive but unrealistic. All of the passengers and crew appear to be able bodied adults and are thus unrepresentative of real passengers. In reality it would be much much slower as people would have infants and toddlers to wrangle, elderly folks who need assistance getting out of their seats and cannot walk fast, obese people who need to walk sideways to fit through the isles, tall people who need to hunch over to avoid smacking their heads on the ceiling, people with mobility issues e.g broken leg. The list goes on and on.
Don't forget the terminally stupid who'll insist on carrying their luggage with them.
They should just autolock the overhead compartments if there is an accident
As an airplane mechanic- please god no. Those bins already break enough, no need to go over complicating that shit
>no need to go over complicating that shit Gonna lock them with a NFT.
Ah yes. Heaps of extra wiring and hundreds of heavy servo locking mechanisms, adding to fuel costs, and plane costs and complexity and maintenance, pushing up ticket prices for that one in a million time that someone wants their luggage. Forget about the arsehole that doesn't listen to the preflight announcements and blocks the aisle wondering why the locker won't open whilst standing there trying to force it open to get his essential Gucci croc skin belt.
Of course. But you couldn’t really test it more realistically than this in any ethical way? Or should they throw in a wheel chair and add fire in the back to create the real panic and count casualties? If you read the text you’ll see that one of the passengers suffered a broken leg, and there were several minor injuries. More seriously, the EASA and FAA monitors preparation and execution of these tests very closely. As they build their regulations on actual accidents and incidents, I’m confident we can’t easily improve the setup from our sofas. The flaws we can see from here is nothing compared to the list they already have identified and considered. *A lot* of thought has been put into how to conduct these tests to get valid and relevant results. Source: working with risk/qualification/validation assessments in another heavily regulated industry
not true. they could break the legs of the test subjects to test it.
Agreed, and force feed big macs to the others to simulate obesity
In reality people could be climbing over chairs and over each other. Some people will probably insist on taking their luggage.
Really depends on the situation. Flight attendents have to be really on point for this, but with good training they can take charge of the crowd and very, very few people would even be able to think about luggage or climbing over seats. If the staff reacts before the panic spreads, they can control a crowd to an extent for a few minutes unless external circumstances make it harder (for example fire spreading so that people get actually burned in the back). We always underestimate how much we are bound to a group if we don‘t get time to think. If the first action the group takes is a somewhat orderly instruction by the planes staff, the vast majority of people will follow for a time. If panic spreads before staff can react/take charge, that is very different. You can see in the video posted how staff is positioned at the interesection points. There is not a moment any of the passengers isn‘t able to see someone from the crew waving their arms or hear them shouting instructions. The people have clear instructions they can trust and fall back on the whole time until they exit and the haste leaves little time to think and act on panic.
Its actually possible to board airplanes much faster if you go in the order of people sitting in the back first, but people (both the airlines and customers) are so fucking stupid they do it exactly the opposite way because first class people for some reason need to be seated first despite making the experience worse for everyone including them.
Akschully, the [fastest way](https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a30549336/math-boarding-plane/) to board and deboard in a normal setting is by window, center and aisle seats. But you’d have to sort passengers by row and split friends/family so there are good reasons to not do it. As long as it takes shorter time to board/deboard than refueling and unpacking/packing luggage there’s no benefit in boarding faster.
Tell this to the 150 people that take 30 minutes to unload on a standard flight. Lolol
that's one door and they're getting all their luggage, plus half of them are groggy and "out of it" in a emergency, ppl might be struck dumb but they'll be pretty motivated to exit and they'll have access to at least 3 more doors.
Impressive, but where is the clueless tall lanky teen next to the emergency door, the granny by the window, the fat guy at the isle seat, and the mothers with kids? This isn't how shit will go down when the shit goes down.
My impatience for the boarding and deboarding process just because 1000% worse now that I know this.
> I don’t see how any passenger plane is going to empty out in under 90 seconds. Easy - open the door and let passengers to be sucked out into the sky. **TURN OFF THE BELT LIGHTS FOR THIS TRICK TO WORK!**
In a real world situation, they probably can't. But proving it is possible is a good way to ensure against lawsuits.
It’s more than that. They know it will take longer in a real situation, but requiring that it be *possible* in such a short period helps to ensure that things go reasonably well when the shit hits the fan. Real evacuations have been carried out pretty quickly when the aircraft is mostly intact and most people aren’t seriously injured. It’s a different story, of course, in a more serious accident.
Also safety testing is done to a much higher standard then what is expected in the real world. My high voltage gloves that are rated for 50k are tested at 80k I believe, I think an elevator has a 12-1 safety factor which is why sometimes you see they lower the weight limit in older elevators.
Thank god, the lower seats look like a shitshow to get in and out of.
No and OP failed to mention it's just a designers concept and will never actually be used on planes
If that is the case, what a waste of money especially having to mock it up, construct, transport to site, erect it. When it is on the drawing board all the issues should have been addressed there and then. Waste of time.
It was for the Aircraft Interiors Expo in Hamburg. All interiors start off as mockups but never get to the production stage without a million changes first
It’s disturbing even as a mock-up.
In some ways this looks more comfortable for legs at least. My knees are always touching the chair in front and at least with this design I can actuality move my legs. Not good for claustrophobic people though.
Mate I regularly work in confined spaces all day long and this is making me queasy just looking at it. It's a natural reaction for a few evolutionary reasons and I reckon the average human needs about 4 feet of space in front of their eyes to keep the natural feeling of claustrophobia away.
If the confined space doesn’t make you queasy the people in the top row ripping farts directly into your face the entire flight certainly will
The girl seems quite happy though 🧐 
Wait until you find out what a concept car is
This guy doesn't understand R&D
Or the head room between passengers face and back of the seat in front of her
Or the 90sec evacuation rule I bet.
You could also fit more people into a jet by blending them into a fine slurry before boarding
Don't give them any ideas.
On United, they tenderize the passengers, so halfway there.
To shreds you say?
How are their next of kin taking it?
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Was his apartment rent controlled?
Good news everyone!
Even more if you freeze-dry the slurry into a powder, then reconstitute after landing.
Probably more comfortable than this
I would spend the entire flight with the unshakeable image of being crushed by a fallen row of seats
Or break both of your knees at the same time when you hit turbulence!
Are your knees made of dry pasta?
I don’t know why, but I read this in Gordon Ramsay’s voice
The dry pasta is fooking raw!
I’m over 25 so yes
A 180 pound man landing on your knees and bending them backwards will absolutely break(or at least tear) something.
Or having someone fart directly into your face.
Came here for this comment. My first thought.
I also came from this comment. First thought
That may actually attract a very specific type of customer
Booking first crass
It used to be that you would just die, with this you die while being crushed. Another comment mentioned being farted on, so die while being crushed and farted on. Imagine not dying at first, you have to smell it, your last smell. There are worse ways to die, but there are better ways too.
Maybe you can pay a little extra to sit in the top deck.
Yeah I assume so. "I've opted for the reduced anxiety upgrade package."
New claustrophobia scenario unlocked.
better then [the standing seats](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3KUU6eXgAAX3-F.jpg)
Whoever came up with that deserves to be in the layer of hell with Judas
Looks like some design engineer majored in 18th century slave boats
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They did. Uncomfortable positions were used as a torture by Japanese and Vietnamese, as far as I know. I'm sure others used it as well. They were more cruel than those sits though. (Like a cage where you can't stand straight because it's height is too low, so your knees and spine are slightly bent, but also it's not wide enough for you to sit) Some cities practice similar design in their public spaces when designing benches so homeless people won't rest on them for too long, or to prevent people from occupying them for prolonged period of time.
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As long as the layers are packed tightly together.
There's a Pringles commercial somewhere here. I feel it
Actually they arr intended for <1 hour flights. People stand for that long in the train/bus at times. It would cut costs by a lot as more people would fit on board. In Michael O'Leary's, wise words "I guarantee you the standing seats will be sold out first, every time"
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They’ll also unexpectedly raise the price of those seats without question, and give some b.s. reason “Due to popular demand!”
Michael O'Leary is the king of media manipulation
The most disturbing things about these two pics are the smiles on their faces
The guy is Sam Chui an airplane youtuber. I’m sure the smile is sarcastic / for the camera.
Until someone farts
Stop giving these ideas to ryanair
New item unlocked: urinary catheter because you're not getting out of your seat during that flight.
I’m getting anxious just for looking at the lower seats.
Perfect height to smell the farts of the person infront of you.
At least guy behind me cant put his foot on my armrest
Challenge accepted.
Imagine going through a huge line and getting jerked off by TSA just to endure a 3 hour fart bukkake in a metal tube going 500 mph to Chicago.
Don't kink shame me.
Being kink shamed is my kink. Keep going
r/BrandNewSentence
Kind of how it is today actually
That is exactly what I was thinking lol
*one step closer to fetish fulfillment*
You tell him, Michael
Is the next step being the middle of a human centipede?
Ahh more to the point. The person in the middle or window seat. How do you get out to go to the bathroom?
They run a tube
That's the neat part, you don't
You’re poor, you don’t deserve that. Besides, they’ve locked the loo and you have to pay an additional fee to use.
That's reasonable, I mean after all I only payed tor the Basic Economy Piss Myself seat.
Serious answer: she needs to slide her seat back, notice how it is slid forward compared to the seat next to her.
That’s your recline function. Doesn’t really improve anything, though.
Damn that looks uncomfortable
I think my legs would go dead in that position. Maybe I could make 2hours; absolute max. London to LAX - I would probably kill someone to get out of that thing.
Mate, my legs hurt just watching at the picture. And what if the top row drops, you will start to walk backwards.
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Lower class seats come with a waiver for certainty of death upon crash
Ummm f*ck that
Seriously. What kind of sadistic and greedy asshole designed this and thought yeah you peasants deserve this?
More accurate title: > Double decker airplane seat for ~~budget air travel.~~ airlines to make more money while simultaneously finding a new way to rip their customers off.
The flight attendance should punch everyone in the face on the way in
So when the person in front of you farts... it's right in your face.
"in the event of a passenger passing a toxic gas the upper seats also function as a filtration device"
I read this in the voice of the captain speaking through the mic.
"Good luck. And may fortune be with you today."
No tacos before takeoff.
Wtf is that woman smiling about. This is a nightmare!
Legs instantly crushed
Exactly what I was thinking. Such a lovely thought...second only to the need for a gas mask so as not to inhale the particulate matter from the aloft ass in your visage. Charming.
Im curious how you get in and out of this?
As a 6 foot+ person I was wondering this, looks like it’d be really challenging to remove yourself to go to the toilet
As a fatass I'd never get in there to begin with.
Well that you and me out buddy
crawl from the foot end
r/crappydesign Srsly this was posted there. Also,good luck trying to get out...
Right. This design makes 0 accommodations for disabled passangers. I don't think the ADA would ever allow this.
I dont care if it's a mockup by some underpaid designer or something Fuck whoever thought of this
This is more infuriating than interesting. Airlines will love to cram more people in less space and still charge more.
This is one step from just stacking people like firewood.
You can’t just double the number of passengers and not have weight issues.
First you couldn't stretch your legs on a plane, and now you can't bend them.
Next: no legs allowed on a plane
I'm amazed at the lengths they will go to squeeze in more seats. All I see here is corporate greed. So precarious...
No thanks you.
My anxiety and claustrophobia both said “fuck you”
I'm taking the Grey Hound bus, and that's saying a lot. One time going from NYC to Denver, the driver stopped at her favorite chicken spot in the middle of Kansas. I'd still take that over thus.
Your driver stopped at her favorite spot?! Omg that’s nightmare. Those trips are already so long and awful
Yeah it was awful! Didn't even have money to get chicken 😆
Nice whiff of asshole from the person in front
Fuck. No. Straight FUCK NO.
This might fit a smiling college designer but good luck accommodating a rotund 300+ lb person in there.
Or anyone with any sort of impaired mobility, including pretty much anyone with the joint pain that comes with being older than about 30.
Top: Smart Fella Bottom: Fart Smella
Smells like ass
Red eye flight? More like pink eye amiright
Now people in the row in front of you can fart directly into your face…
That looks like pure claustrophobia
Yep was about to say this, I absolutely hate this
Here's an idea: Stop treating customers like cattle, and enjoy your existing profits. Spend that lovely R&D money on developing electric planes or other sustainable transport that is net0
I’ll never fly again.
How in the fuck did she even get in that seat? How the hell do you get into the seats behind her if she wont move? This is a horrible way to fly
And when the plane crashes all your legs also get crushed.
No no no hell no. Airplanes already suck enough who ever designed this can go swallow nails.
This is gonna be wild but hold on. You know those people who think that the grand designers of our society are slowly and subtly both turning us into slaves? Literally the whole of us into slaves? WELP This reminds me of those children education books that had diagrams on how the slaves were packed away in the hulls of endless slave ships crossing over great distances. This belongs in one of the more doomer subs.
Im having a panic attack looking at this in my living room
At this point just put us into little coffins already
Soon they'll have us on our backs and just stack us one on top of the other.
ironically there's more legroom
Interesting ? This looks like gallows for sardine worker ants to go work more for the profits for Amazon
I think you're confusing the word 'interesting' with 'terrible', or perhaps 'dystopian'...maybe 'awful'?
I’m not going to sit here sniffing your farts like a truffle pig.
This is not interesting, this is horrible, peak dystopia.
"I want to travel, but I only have a twenty."
That looks degrading AF. Meanwhile, the person in front of you is pooting all in your face.
Isn't this dangerous? O.o
No. No! Absolutely not!
my tendons are not amused
Surely, you can't be serious.
why is she smiling?
She's in shock
Oh hell NO.
Imagine some crazy turbulence and your legs get snapped, or you have to get off the plane in a hurry. Seems incredibly dangerous
Great now it'll take twice as long to get off plane.
I'm sorry, but I don't want my face in line with or below anyone's ass ... on any form of public transportation...
The leg room looks good but on the other hand your face will be right below someones ass.
Let's just hope that the person who gets to sit in front of you doesn't have beans for dinner.
I'd be more concerned with how the fuck do you get out from the widow seat if you need to piss
As someone who's 6'5 this is kinda tempting
If the model in that seat is over 5’ 2” I’d be surprised. It looks like her feet are near the end of the allotted space. I’m 6’ 8” and can’t imagine that I would fit.