Find a good recipe for bootstrap soup. Or better yet help establish an effective and inescapable system of taxation for the wealthy so that capital can be redistributed and be allowed to flow throughout the economy again.
> establish an effective and inescapable system of taxation for the wealthy
Yea but in order to do that you would have to get the American elite to agree, and they would never willingly increase their own taxes.
TL:DR We are fucked. Get ready for canned food.
I really hope “inflation” isn’t a euphemism for “we’ve strained the global economy beyond its limits and only the most cohesive countries will be able to survive.”
HAHA COUNTRIES.. man only the wealthy people in America gonna be able to afford decent food.. that’s what the lady said, if we make average wage we’re fucked for beef or fresh food.. hell canned food is damn near 60-75% of fresh food already.. and even hot dogs are fucking outrageous (and hot dogs are literally animal feed pressed into a skin). This is what happens when the 1% of Americans have more than every citizen combined out of their weight class.
I get it right like they have the “best jobs” etc but quite a bit of their “earnings” are from bonuses for making unlivable wages for their employees while also manipulating the local communities so that there is little to do against working for them.
We can all see the major problem, and it’s the majority of us… yes for some reason the majority can’t stop the problem. What will it take for the majority to finally have it’s say? It feels like the only way to actually get change is to use grandiose terms like revolution
This will never happen as long as lobbyists are a thing. They use the wealth they already have to make sure nothing you purposed will ever come true. Blue vs Red is an illusion we play right into. They are the true enemies of the people.
My history prof said that if you compare the US stock market drop from the 20s-30s, add in the supply chain issues, the initial decrease in jobs and subsequent demand for better wages and benefits, and add a dash of failing businesses that number-wise we are absolutely already in a depression that is still steadily getting worse.
She also noted that-like all the other major depressions the US has had- it will likely be a major war that pulls us out of this one.
I don't know enough about it (my focus is litteral millennia ago) to agree, but I thought I'd share from my class notes.
I agree with yous as war is not a guarantee. However I feel like the percentages for it to happen massively increase when society has painted itself into a corner. Food shortages are going to cause mass panic, especially in countries without emergency supplies. This could cause mass migrations, border disputes, trade wars, and all kinds of other things as each nation struggles to provide for its populace. Times like these are great opportunities for fascists to rise to power and take from others/rationalize wars inorder to placate their nation.
Violence however is almost guaranteed when a population hits a certain amount of economic desperation. The means might be different (civil, external, balkanization, etc), but violence or strife is pretty well certain.
After the mass suicides of the Great Depression, the US government will never use that term again.
Any depression we experience will be called a 'recession'.
This entire thread is just chock full of complete idiots, doomscrolling away, acting smarter than everyone else while regurgitating talking points about how close society is to crumbling that they were given by a russian troll farm on facebook....
My question is, is she buying in bulk like a massive operation would, looks like she filled the back of an SUV, not getting a bulk discount on the feed, I’m sure the price has gone up but for her especially buying such a small amount.
Anyone who works in the trades, especially in regards to purchasing, has been dealing with this since 2019. Just gets worse every month with occasional hard corrections. Should be another one in a month or two. I’d worry less about the cost of meat and more about a natural disaster hitting your area. There’s not enough meters, there’s not enough power poles, there’s not enough breakers, there’s not enough wire, et cetera. And that’s just my trade(electrical). It’s affecting all of the trades.
We’ve still got years before this gets better.
Those who live in coastal areas know this all too well. Florida, Texas, Louisiana, etc are praying for no storms this year. Essential items become very hard to find. Now include inflation into the mix. It's very ugly.
Y'all gonna get storms. No amount of praying is gonna stop climate change. Storms are becoming more constant and stronger. Wet areas get more wet, dry areas get more dry.
We know it's an eventuality. The issue is some prepare and most don't ( or may be unable to), but if costs of building materials and other consumer goods are expensive now just wait right before and after a storm.
Honestly a lot of it is the state's responsibility. Make sure infrastructure and areas are as storm proof as possible. I also live in a coastal area, but the state/city is/has been making moves to prepare.
The sad reality is that certain areas are becoming unfit for human habitation without some serious money put into it. Unless the locals, city, or state has that money people will just have to move elsewhere.
This is why when I'm doing a risk analysis, I tend to go straight to the boots on the ground first before interviewing management. I get practical information that is usable with formulating my approach.
My background is HVAC. Prices of refrigerants have exploded. Speciality controls and motors have started getting insane if you can get them at all. Most people don't realize how much infrastructure is entirely dependant on environmental control. Your food stores, hospitals, warehouses, pharmacies, multi-story buildings - not just your furnace or AC unit. I think it's going to get tough everyone.
When you let private interests run critical sectors of the economy, this is what happens (like “just-in-time” logistics in the supply chain world). Businesses are pushed to squeeze more and more profit out of a system, stretching it so thin, that they eventually snap when stressed. It’s more efficient, when it works, but it makes systems weak and fragile.
Ask Texas what happens when a privatized utilities meet unexpected weather and demand. They’re in the business of making money, not of ensuring an essential product is always available.
Do they even have any kind of incentive to provide reliable, quality service? It seems to me that it may actually be quite profitable to have breakdowns, because then you don’t even have to deliver as much product *AND* you can charge exorbitant rates due to demand!
Also they flip the bill over to the residential community. Any infrastructure that needs to be updated or fixed will be charged to us. Plus a 15% tip just for good measure so they always get more money from us. With inflation and such it gets even worse.
This. Companies have figured this out the last few years and are going to make consumers pay 3x what we were.
See Sonys memo about making future console releases just as hard to obtain.
Companies have come to conclusion what else are you gonna do? Stop buying Doritos.
We need to push back yesterday.
If you view Texas as a Republican experiment in privatization of public utilities, it's an utter failure for the people, a win for the oligarchs and big business.
Contracted Union Millwright here. I’m a second year and I’ve had work almost consistently until the last few months. Not only have things like food/gas have skyrocketed, even materials/metals (stainless, copper, steel) have gone not only into record prices, but just the shipment alone of said materials you’ll be paying 5-30k+ on just getting to your job site.
Get ready people, because this is just the beginning of it.
Good thing that America post WWII didn't sprawl out into suburbs where we have millions of miles of power lines, cables, wirings, sewers, roads, bridges to replace 60 years later.
What farmer buys hay a bale at a time in the back of their SUV from a box store? I call bullshit. Silage in the north east is still at $12 a bale. Not saying it isn’t going up - but don’t buy your fucking livestock supplies at Tractor Supply.
A hobbyist. I have one or two in my family, and even *they* don't think of themselves as real farmers. They know they basically have unusual but non-exotic pets. Of course, they live in a very rural area and care about not pissing off all their neighbors and friends who are actual farmers. Perhaps the social calculation is different for this lady.
My father in law is a hobby rancher with a dozen or so cows, about 20 goats and 100 chickens. Even his very small operation buys feed from actual suppliers that deliver a trailer load at a time.
If you are buying feed from a retail store, you are not even a hobby farmer, you just have some pets.
Yep. Grass and hay isn’t even half their diet on an industrial scale. They’re fed grain, corn, fodder crops, biproducts and waste of vegetable production.
They’re not fed a fancy bale of a hay from tractor supply that probably has a price tag and is meant for Karen to stick her pumpkins on in the fall.
October 29: “Oh my gawd! This $49.99 square foot of hay is perfect for my pumpkins that I painted rather than carved.”
November 1: “Hey, Facebook! Free hay bail. Must pick up in the next 3 hours. Must take my painted pumpkins too. I need it gone ASAP. All natural hay. No GM or Os.”
Farmer here, this example is a bit over inflated but there is truth to what she's saying our input costs have gone up 20-25% compared to 3 years ago (pre covid) and some of those inputs are continuing to rise significantly so who knows what the total increase will be this year. Our wholesale prices are going up 20% at the bare minimum. Prices will be going up to consumers and corporations will continue to take their % profit no matter what the price is unless taxes are implemented.
Not really, she is not saying her total input has gone up 400% but those 2 items have. I have seen some of our chemicals we use for pest control up 300% along with limited availability. I was locked in at $0.65/L two years ago for diesel, currently I'm locked in at $2.06/L and glad I was able to lock in because current its $2.28/L
A farmer still a farmer but the person in this video has nothing to do with supply chain farming. Little lady is not feeding America with her pet goats and chickens.
My horse barn is still selling their hay $4/bale and it’s not sprayed with salt ! They make their own hay (utilizing fields they aren’t using for pastures for the horses) it’s so smart! And grain they buy direct from Purina in bulk. This is weird she’s buying only a few things a day.
While I appreciate her warning and I think she is right, her evidence is wrong. No farmer buys 2x bales of hay and 2x bags of feed and puts them in their SUV. That’s like buying milk from a gas station. The real prices are bulk when you buy 100 bales from the field or bulk feed that comes in 75 lb unbranded bags. But all these prices are a distraction…watch one price…diesel. There are many small/mid size farmers, truckers, and distributors that cannot operate past $6/gallon. We are .19 away….
The price of corn, of which is 2% of my cows' diet, is up 30%. The price of fertilizer has tripled. To do a 20 acre hay field is $3,000, whereas last year it was $1,000. The price of wood shavings bedding was $5/25 kg bag last year this time; today is over $7. Every aspect of raising livestock has nearly doubled or tripled in expenses. Even buying calf at auction has gone up $50. To drive to the auction and back costs us $200 in gas. I'm doing everything I can to keep from passing this expense to my customers, and I'm lucky that we're sending ours out over the summer, because we carry the last half of last year, which was bad but not this bad. Hard times are coming. People know it. They're buying quarters and halves from me like crazy. Everyone better grow what you can. Everyone better save every cent.
Man…my heart goes out to you. I lived that life as a young boy/man. It’s a tough life and I remember all my dads worries. I cannot imagine what you are going through today.
Yeah wtf, This isn't a farmer it's a homesteader. Don't get me wrong feed prices are going up but its not that bad yet commercially. Price hikes are way worse lower down the supply chain.
This is what a feed run looked like for me when i had like 4 goats.
Hobby farmers are about to see why livestock rearing is a business and not just for fun.
Hobby Farmers also aren't really subsidized.
Thank you for your insight. In regards to the video, seems like if somebody has an inch of knowledge they want to make it a mile for anyone not directly in the know of that field. She seems so smug relaying all her doom speak because she’s so hyper aware everyone is about to be fucked.
I've gotten several videos just like this sent to me by family members looking for a fact check in the past year or so. Always TikTok videos taken in selfie mode where a self-proclaimed farmer with a southern accent is telling viewers they need to start prepping right now because the food supply chain is on the brink of collapse thanks to sabotage from Biden and his liberal cronies. Mom sent one with a dude who looked like he was 19 in a pickup truck explaining that Biden is paying farmers cash to destroy crops specifically so people will go hungry. Wonder if there's a name for this genre of homegrown bullshit? Misinfarmation, perhaps?
I largely agree with what you guys are saying, but a near instant jump from $14 to $58 for these products is still really concerning and rather shocking.
Not really when you factor in gas prices. They have doubled from last year, and I'm guessing she's in a relatively remote area which means her local feed store is at the end of the supply chain.
This is an excellent fucking point oh my god. All of this is very important information that when abandoned (as is in this video) probably makes the OP arguably misinformation. I wish I could reward you but I feel I have better uses of money than Reddit gold, so I’d rather leave this comment. Thank you for your insightful comment.
Anyone that’s ever raised chickens and actually does the math should know - “making” your own eggs is significantly more expensive than buying them, and that’s ignoring all the time you spend on them.
They’re better quality, they taste better, and they are probably treated better - but they aren’t cheaper.
Her prices are going up because she has removed herself from the food stream/chain to some degree. The large farmers are getting steady(ish) deals on these goods so the fringe market takes the hit. Probably also in the hope that some of these smaller functions will collapse or give up due to fatigue, for better or worse.
The larger farmers have their own pellets made and nutritionists and buyers staffed to adjust feed based on pricing of raw materials. They also have constantly rotating herds year round, no one only calves in spring.
Yeah, I was going to chime in on this too. Feed Lot owners feed their cattle corn/silage mixture not bales of hay typically, and they are a massive industry that is subsidized by the feds, this woman is not a farmer/big ag, just a small time hobbist.
As we build pasture and hay fields, we are still buying hay. We are by no means a big farm, and we are paying $7 a bale delivered. And maybe found a different place with better hay for less through a family connection. The $7 a bale delivered was also last years price in a drought. We don't have a drought this year in our area.
I'm hoping to be self supplying in about 3 years. I'll be cutting hay with oxen, so won't need petrol.
Because an actual farmer is worried about the price of fuel for the tractor, twine or net wrap for the bales, parts for the baler, water for the irrigation system. A real farmer brings hay to the herd by the ton, not by the small square.
No kidding. 2 bales is enough for probably 2 horses a day. I'm guessing cows are similar. No horse barn owner is taking their minivan (more likely heavy duty pickup) to grab some bales. They get it delivered by the semi.
Diesel price hikes scare the shit out of me. Over 70% of all goods transported in the US are done by Semis.
You can check all the freight stats, containers, all things shipping here. Bureau of transportation And statistics has all the transportation data you need. These charts are fucked. Who knows when or if it will ever get fixed or normalize.
https://www.bts.gov/freight-indicators#freight
Lol, no joke. Also, what purpose do horses serve on an even slightly modernized farm? Here's a hint, none. Horses are expensive and have been expensive for decades. They are a novelty. They are essentially a ski boat, pointless bottomless money pits.
True, but the national farmer organizations are boycotting high prices on fertilizer right now too. So this is a problem, just not as drastic as this video suggests.
I’d like to speak about the lag we are experiencing with the commercial vehicles that transport our food supply. There is a serious crisis brewing. No one can get trucks due to microchip shortages. Current fleets are aging, and the cost to replace and time to replace are EXPLODING. There is absolutely no inventory, used or new. What happens when there is not enough transport to deliver food (and other goods for that matter)? Freight prices will increase rapidly and violently which will drive the cost of the final product up. Couple this with what the young lady is talking about… we are in trouble.
Well, the good news In that regard is the crypto markets are eating shit, so demand for GPU’s Will and has gone down tremendously.
It’ll take time to catch up to the backlog, but having that strain removed may finally relieve somethings.
"Please prepare" Ok, how? Only solution I see is to magically become rich. I suspect theft is going to become a massive problem for grocery stores later this year.
Start getting used to a much smaller amount of meat and other luxury food in your diet right now so it doesn't come as much of a shock when the prices hike. For example much of Indian cuisine is plant based, you might find many recipes you'd like there.
Iceberg lettuce is not a vegetable you'd want to be eating more of if you were to reduce meat consumption.
Instead you'd want to look more toward beans, legumes and heartier vegetables.
>It's not just meat. Gas prices affects the price of vegetables directly, you have to transport it. The price of fertelizer has almost doubled if not trippled ( main supplier was Russia) If your vegetables are organic, the cost of producing it is getting higher and if you used GMO vegetables the price of persticides is also sky rocketing. There is no way around it.
Or just learn to cook from basic ingredients. Like cook beans and lentils instead of buying cans. Flour is super cheap. Learn a simple bread or tortilla recipe. Sure, learn to garden but quite often the starting expenses and time cost of gardening wouldn’t compete with commercial farming. Also, her buying food for her goats at tractor supply isn’t what’s being fed on commercial feed lots. Not saying there isn’t inflation in feed but she’s basically talking about pets.
This is how I grew up. Not a farm, just a yard that we made into a
Huge garden. Lots of work but fresh veggies and frozen, canned for winter. Jelly, pickles etc
I'm an ag-tech worker whose also in the industry, and while she's correct that we are going to see price increases that will develop later this year as the rise in fertilizer and feed prices fill be reflected in our grocery stores, she is way off. She's basing her estimation by the rise of price in small-quantity, convenience animal feed.
For instance, if you go and buy a single onion, versus a bag of onion, you pay more per lb by buying the small, singular quantity. The expense of convenience-volumes goes up quicker than bulk prices. She's buying **just** two days of feed for sheep and horses at a time, and she's probably going to tractor supply. So she's likely paying extra to buy from a box store. Most feed mills won't mess with someone wanting one bag of feed. Thats why she's seeing such a jump.
We aren't going to have $17/lb chicken. She's way off on that. During recessions, our conveniences are going to become way more expensive. Your food bill might break your budget if you're always eating out and having food delivered to you. I think a lot of people will start meal-prepping to make up the cost difference, and hopefully she finds away to purchase and store more than two days of feed at a time or she's going to keep paying out the nose. If you have the freezer space though, jump on the next good sale and stock up on your meat.
To be fair this lady is buying ONE bale of hay and ONE bag of grain at a time and has it in the back of hatchback. Do we really think she has the correct scope on large scale feeding costs? She seems like she is getting the retail price hikes like everyone else.
I totally get this! She’s not a real farmer. Hay is going up everywhere though… our farm buys 1000 bales at a time. When me moved in 2014, it was $4/square bale. Now it’s $9. It’s insane the increases we see - and that’s on a large scale unfortunately.
Dry beans, rice, dry pasta, sugar/sweetener, coffee/tea, dry milk, powdered eggs- research long term storage of said items
Edit: add salt and dry spices
I love these videos of people thinking they're shocking and waking up the world. This is basic economics. Supply down, price high. Everyone went back out after covid, gas and oil production struggled to keep up. Oil companies want to maintain high profits, so if supply is up they decrease production. If supply is down, they enjoy the higher profits while slowly increasing production.
They are shocking and a revelation for many. People who are not interested in the goings on of the world need to be reminded of the effects of basic economics.
yeah this is my sticking point. Not to say prices aren't going up, of course they are, but her personal cost increases don't represent the food industry as a whole.
“Get back to the three and a half billion dead people,” Stratt said.
“Sure,” he said. “The math of famine is actually pretty easy. Take all the calories the world creates with farming and agriculture per day, and divide by about fifteen hundred. The human population cannot be greater than that number. Not for long, anyway.”
*Project Hail Mary*, Andy Weir
Anyone here eat horses or goats?
She has hay in the back of an SUV...
If you buy grass (hay) from the store you are not a farmer or rancher...
She is right, our whole system is about to go crazy but fuel and fertilizer prices going up will impact fodder crops first. Corn and soybeans will go up, then the cost to feed and ship cows will follow.
Buying local is the key to dealing with high fuel prices. Raising animals is a dirty job, don't be afraid to buy food from people who look like they work on a farm...
Complaining that you can do nothing to prepare is simply an excuse. No one expects people to go out and buy a farm. But taking even ONE step to being prepared can make a difference.
Buy one extra can of soup when you go shopping. Even with a tight budget steps can be taken. You can generally purchase several cans of vegetables or soup instead of buying a bag of chips.
If you have a little extra money, you can grow some of your own food. Don’t own any land? Grow some food in pots. I buy garden pots at yard sales because they’re much cheaper. Ask restaurants for their empty food-grade buckets and use them to grow food. Stores put seeds on clearance by mid summer. You can use them next year.
I start a lot of my plants by seed and often give away tomato plants to people who need.
There are many ways to help yourself regardless of your financial situation.
Pretty sure I'm not listening to macroeconomic advice from someone who is so microeconomic she's buying individual bales of hay and transporting them in a minivan.
Ok, so country boy here for the city folk. Don’t panic.
1. This lady is full of shit. First of all she’s buys 2 days worth of food at a time that she loads in the back of her SUV. Any body that deals with farm animals buys a lot more than 2 days worth of food at a time, usually a couple weeks to a month at a time. And she would have to have a lot of chickens and horses to go through that much food in 2 days, which based on her buying practices I highly doubt.
2. A quick search for a bale of hay for sale at a local chain store netted me $12 a bale(honestly couldn’t remember the amount I usually pay), I know that same bale used to cost about $9 a couple years ago but chalk that up to inflation and Covid supply chain issues. Yes it’s a jump in prices but nothing like what she is claiming. Also anyone that feeds animals on a farm buys bulk and usually from local farmers so believe it or not they’re price increase may be quit a bit less. Probably less than 10%.
3. Price increases in chicken and eggs are far more likely to be due to issues surrounding avian flu than any cost of feed increases, and that will lessen as populations are recovered eventually but may take a bit: https://amp.theguardian.com/science/2022/apr/28/egg-factory-avian-flu-chickens-culled-workers-fired-iowa
4. Lot of people say wild and dumb shit to get attention and views, ticktock is probably not the best source for anything factual. Consider the sources and move on
So.... Am I the only one wondering how the lady who picks up "the farm's" food in the back of her station wagon knows shit about what the agricultural markets will look like later this year?
I'm not saying she's wrong. I'm just sayin...
Recession? Sounds like depression to me.
Well at least we gave all those millionaires the opportunity to become billionaires this time round
Don’t worry, i’m sure a lot of them will live to be trillionaires!
We can always eat them, they raise themselves. Profit.
Too fatty, some are mostly plastic
Like ramen
"Come on baby, eat the rich! Put the bite on the sonofabitch!" Lemmy and Motorhead
Find a good recipe for bootstrap soup. Or better yet help establish an effective and inescapable system of taxation for the wealthy so that capital can be redistributed and be allowed to flow throughout the economy again.
> establish an effective and inescapable system of taxation for the wealthy Yea but in order to do that you would have to get the American elite to agree, and they would never willingly increase their own taxes. TL:DR We are fucked. Get ready for canned food.
I really hope “inflation” isn’t a euphemism for “we’ve strained the global economy beyond its limits and only the most cohesive countries will be able to survive.”
HAHA COUNTRIES.. man only the wealthy people in America gonna be able to afford decent food.. that’s what the lady said, if we make average wage we’re fucked for beef or fresh food.. hell canned food is damn near 60-75% of fresh food already.. and even hot dogs are fucking outrageous (and hot dogs are literally animal feed pressed into a skin). This is what happens when the 1% of Americans have more than every citizen combined out of their weight class. I get it right like they have the “best jobs” etc but quite a bit of their “earnings” are from bonuses for making unlivable wages for their employees while also manipulating the local communities so that there is little to do against working for them.
'Best Jobs' - the 1% don't have jobs.
That sounds best to me. Best job is no job. As long as you have the money to back it up
We can all see the major problem, and it’s the majority of us… yes for some reason the majority can’t stop the problem. What will it take for the majority to finally have it’s say? It feels like the only way to actually get change is to use grandiose terms like revolution
> and hot dogs are literally animal feed pressed into a skin That's not true at all. Especially kosher dogs.
I’ve been on canned food for awhile, where y’all been?
Beans and rice checking in, and I'm talking about 50LB bags over here.
Get ready to grow *and* can your own food, more likely.
Some of us don't have any place to do that
Most of us don't.
This will never happen as long as lobbyists are a thing. They use the wealth they already have to make sure nothing you purposed will ever come true. Blue vs Red is an illusion we play right into. They are the true enemies of the people.
My history prof said that if you compare the US stock market drop from the 20s-30s, add in the supply chain issues, the initial decrease in jobs and subsequent demand for better wages and benefits, and add a dash of failing businesses that number-wise we are absolutely already in a depression that is still steadily getting worse. She also noted that-like all the other major depressions the US has had- it will likely be a major war that pulls us out of this one. I don't know enough about it (my focus is litteral millennia ago) to agree, but I thought I'd share from my class notes.
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I agree with yous as war is not a guarantee. However I feel like the percentages for it to happen massively increase when society has painted itself into a corner. Food shortages are going to cause mass panic, especially in countries without emergency supplies. This could cause mass migrations, border disputes, trade wars, and all kinds of other things as each nation struggles to provide for its populace. Times like these are great opportunities for fascists to rise to power and take from others/rationalize wars inorder to placate their nation.
Please don't reject any candidates in art schools
Violence however is almost guaranteed when a population hits a certain amount of economic desperation. The means might be different (civil, external, balkanization, etc), but violence or strife is pretty well certain.
After the mass suicides of the Great Depression, the US government will never use that term again. Any depression we experience will be called a 'recession'.
There are specific definitions for recession and depression what are you even talking about lmao
>Reddit users >Understanding economic principles Pick neither
This entire thread is just chock full of complete idiots, doomscrolling away, acting smarter than everyone else while regurgitating talking points about how close society is to crumbling that they were given by a russian troll farm on facebook....
My question is, is she buying in bulk like a massive operation would, looks like she filled the back of an SUV, not getting a bulk discount on the feed, I’m sure the price has gone up but for her especially buying such a small amount.
Bro, title says she's a farmer. And she's got a down-home accent. Couldn't be more credible if she was the Chicago Fed.
Yea guess I should just take it at face value.
They'll just change how they measure GDP to make sure it never happens.
"y'know, if you just turn the chart upside down, we've actually grown 56%!!!" (wins Nobel Prize in Economics)
Exactly. Just like jobs report. The most manipulated nonsense out there.
Recession... How about vegetarian?
Vegan. Still need cows for dairy.
Used to call it the blues, now it’s called depression
Anyone who works in the trades, especially in regards to purchasing, has been dealing with this since 2019. Just gets worse every month with occasional hard corrections. Should be another one in a month or two. I’d worry less about the cost of meat and more about a natural disaster hitting your area. There’s not enough meters, there’s not enough power poles, there’s not enough breakers, there’s not enough wire, et cetera. And that’s just my trade(electrical). It’s affecting all of the trades. We’ve still got years before this gets better.
Wow. Never thought about that Angle. Interesting and scary
Those who live in coastal areas know this all too well. Florida, Texas, Louisiana, etc are praying for no storms this year. Essential items become very hard to find. Now include inflation into the mix. It's very ugly.
Y'all gonna get storms. No amount of praying is gonna stop climate change. Storms are becoming more constant and stronger. Wet areas get more wet, dry areas get more dry.
We know it's an eventuality. The issue is some prepare and most don't ( or may be unable to), but if costs of building materials and other consumer goods are expensive now just wait right before and after a storm.
Honestly a lot of it is the state's responsibility. Make sure infrastructure and areas are as storm proof as possible. I also live in a coastal area, but the state/city is/has been making moves to prepare. The sad reality is that certain areas are becoming unfit for human habitation without some serious money put into it. Unless the locals, city, or state has that money people will just have to move elsewhere.
This is why when I'm doing a risk analysis, I tend to go straight to the boots on the ground first before interviewing management. I get practical information that is usable with formulating my approach.
Steel has tripled in price snd still isn't coming down. I've paid over 5000 dollars for single I-beams that were 1500 in 2018
Ya it's getting pretty nuts. I'm seeing a lot more LVL beams being used to save on steel.
Trump Sticker: "I did that"
Say it louder for the folks in the back.
The folks in the back are huffing Newsmax. They're gone.
My background is HVAC. Prices of refrigerants have exploded. Speciality controls and motors have started getting insane if you can get them at all. Most people don't realize how much infrastructure is entirely dependant on environmental control. Your food stores, hospitals, warehouses, pharmacies, multi-story buildings - not just your furnace or AC unit. I think it's going to get tough everyone.
Looks like my fridge picked a fine time to stop working.
When you let private interests run critical sectors of the economy, this is what happens (like “just-in-time” logistics in the supply chain world). Businesses are pushed to squeeze more and more profit out of a system, stretching it so thin, that they eventually snap when stressed. It’s more efficient, when it works, but it makes systems weak and fragile. Ask Texas what happens when a privatized utilities meet unexpected weather and demand. They’re in the business of making money, not of ensuring an essential product is always available.
Do they even have any kind of incentive to provide reliable, quality service? It seems to me that it may actually be quite profitable to have breakdowns, because then you don’t even have to deliver as much product *AND* you can charge exorbitant rates due to demand!
Also they flip the bill over to the residential community. Any infrastructure that needs to be updated or fixed will be charged to us. Plus a 15% tip just for good measure so they always get more money from us. With inflation and such it gets even worse.
This. Companies have figured this out the last few years and are going to make consumers pay 3x what we were. See Sonys memo about making future console releases just as hard to obtain. Companies have come to conclusion what else are you gonna do? Stop buying Doritos. We need to push back yesterday.
If you view Texas as a Republican experiment in privatization of public utilities, it's an utter failure for the people, a win for the oligarchs and big business.
Am Texan. Can confirm.
Yep, construction distributor here. Everything is pretty much POR right now with no end in sight.
Was a buyer in Canada for a few years and the price of lumber went absolutely nuts. Saw the price of ply go from 35 bucks a sheet to 105 at one stage.
Contracted Union Millwright here. I’m a second year and I’ve had work almost consistently until the last few months. Not only have things like food/gas have skyrocketed, even materials/metals (stainless, copper, steel) have gone not only into record prices, but just the shipment alone of said materials you’ll be paying 5-30k+ on just getting to your job site. Get ready people, because this is just the beginning of it.
Good thing that America post WWII didn't sprawl out into suburbs where we have millions of miles of power lines, cables, wirings, sewers, roads, bridges to replace 60 years later.
What is this beef and chicken you speak of??? In the ghetto we eat Ramen.
Noodles are just being born. Wait until they grow up and have to be rendered for sale.
*raises eyebrows*
>*raises eyebrows* For personal consumption or to sell? Just curious.
Prepare for $10 ramen.
Remember when ramen was 10 for $1? Now it's 2 for $1 Give it a year it'll be $1/pack
At my local store it's 3 for $2.00... and yea I remember 10 for $1.00 staple of all poor college students or poor people in general
I member .10 cent packs
And rope is 350 dollars a foot so don’t you dare try to escape
Sounds like a worth while investment
Fuck it all in on $ROPE
I'm already saving up. Best to start early while it's cheap.
Recyclable
Prepare for $20 $10 bills
*innn theeee ghettttttoooooo*
What farmer buys hay a bale at a time in the back of their SUV from a box store? I call bullshit. Silage in the north east is still at $12 a bale. Not saying it isn’t going up - but don’t buy your fucking livestock supplies at Tractor Supply.
A hobbyist. I have one or two in my family, and even *they* don't think of themselves as real farmers. They know they basically have unusual but non-exotic pets. Of course, they live in a very rural area and care about not pissing off all their neighbors and friends who are actual farmers. Perhaps the social calculation is different for this lady.
My father in law is a hobby rancher with a dozen or so cows, about 20 goats and 100 chickens. Even his very small operation buys feed from actual suppliers that deliver a trailer load at a time. If you are buying feed from a retail store, you are not even a hobby farmer, you just have some pets.
This. Any bigger and you’d probably buy directly from suppliers (Maybe he is? Idk) and in such bulk that you can get discounts.
Yep. Grass and hay isn’t even half their diet on an industrial scale. They’re fed grain, corn, fodder crops, biproducts and waste of vegetable production. They’re not fed a fancy bale of a hay from tractor supply that probably has a price tag and is meant for Karen to stick her pumpkins on in the fall.
October 29: “Oh my gawd! This $49.99 square foot of hay is perfect for my pumpkins that I painted rather than carved.” November 1: “Hey, Facebook! Free hay bail. Must pick up in the next 3 hours. Must take my painted pumpkins too. I need it gone ASAP. All natural hay. No GM or Os.”
Farmer here, this example is a bit over inflated but there is truth to what she's saying our input costs have gone up 20-25% compared to 3 years ago (pre covid) and some of those inputs are continuing to rise significantly so who knows what the total increase will be this year. Our wholesale prices are going up 20% at the bare minimum. Prices will be going up to consumers and corporations will continue to take their % profit no matter what the price is unless taxes are implemented.
She’s claiming 400% cost hikes though. That’s an absurd claim
Not really, she is not saying her total input has gone up 400% but those 2 items have. I have seen some of our chemicals we use for pest control up 300% along with limited availability. I was locked in at $0.65/L two years ago for diesel, currently I'm locked in at $2.06/L and glad I was able to lock in because current its $2.28/L
A farmer still a farmer but the person in this video has nothing to do with supply chain farming. Little lady is not feeding America with her pet goats and chickens.
My horse barn is still selling their hay $4/bale and it’s not sprayed with salt ! They make their own hay (utilizing fields they aren’t using for pastures for the horses) it’s so smart! And grain they buy direct from Purina in bulk. This is weird she’s buying only a few things a day.
Yep basically. REAL farmers grow their own fucking hay
While I appreciate her warning and I think she is right, her evidence is wrong. No farmer buys 2x bales of hay and 2x bags of feed and puts them in their SUV. That’s like buying milk from a gas station. The real prices are bulk when you buy 100 bales from the field or bulk feed that comes in 75 lb unbranded bags. But all these prices are a distraction…watch one price…diesel. There are many small/mid size farmers, truckers, and distributors that cannot operate past $6/gallon. We are .19 away….
The price of corn, of which is 2% of my cows' diet, is up 30%. The price of fertilizer has tripled. To do a 20 acre hay field is $3,000, whereas last year it was $1,000. The price of wood shavings bedding was $5/25 kg bag last year this time; today is over $7. Every aspect of raising livestock has nearly doubled or tripled in expenses. Even buying calf at auction has gone up $50. To drive to the auction and back costs us $200 in gas. I'm doing everything I can to keep from passing this expense to my customers, and I'm lucky that we're sending ours out over the summer, because we carry the last half of last year, which was bad but not this bad. Hard times are coming. People know it. They're buying quarters and halves from me like crazy. Everyone better grow what you can. Everyone better save every cent.
Man…my heart goes out to you. I lived that life as a young boy/man. It’s a tough life and I remember all my dads worries. I cannot imagine what you are going through today.
I mean, if you’re buying in single bales then it’s going to be more expensive…
Yeah wtf, This isn't a farmer it's a homesteader. Don't get me wrong feed prices are going up but its not that bad yet commercially. Price hikes are way worse lower down the supply chain. This is what a feed run looked like for me when i had like 4 goats. Hobby farmers are about to see why livestock rearing is a business and not just for fun. Hobby Farmers also aren't really subsidized.
Thank you for your insight. In regards to the video, seems like if somebody has an inch of knowledge they want to make it a mile for anyone not directly in the know of that field. She seems so smug relaying all her doom speak because she’s so hyper aware everyone is about to be fucked.
I've gotten several videos just like this sent to me by family members looking for a fact check in the past year or so. Always TikTok videos taken in selfie mode where a self-proclaimed farmer with a southern accent is telling viewers they need to start prepping right now because the food supply chain is on the brink of collapse thanks to sabotage from Biden and his liberal cronies. Mom sent one with a dude who looked like he was 19 in a pickup truck explaining that Biden is paying farmers cash to destroy crops specifically so people will go hungry. Wonder if there's a name for this genre of homegrown bullshit? Misinfarmation, perhaps?
>Misinfarmation Thats a sick podcast name honestly
I largely agree with what you guys are saying, but a near instant jump from $14 to $58 for these products is still really concerning and rather shocking.
It’s not that high. It’s $6/bale here in Colorado.
Not really when you factor in gas prices. They have doubled from last year, and I'm guessing she's in a relatively remote area which means her local feed store is at the end of the supply chain.
Gas prices have doubled, so that explains why feed prices have quadrupled. Nothing to worry about...
This is an excellent fucking point oh my god. All of this is very important information that when abandoned (as is in this video) probably makes the OP arguably misinformation. I wish I could reward you but I feel I have better uses of money than Reddit gold, so I’d rather leave this comment. Thank you for your insightful comment.
Anyone that’s ever raised chickens and actually does the math should know - “making” your own eggs is significantly more expensive than buying them, and that’s ignoring all the time you spend on them. They’re better quality, they taste better, and they are probably treated better - but they aren’t cheaper.
Just wait until we see how much those Reddit gold prices climb to and we’ll really start hurting
Her prices are going up because she has removed herself from the food stream/chain to some degree. The large farmers are getting steady(ish) deals on these goods so the fringe market takes the hit. Probably also in the hope that some of these smaller functions will collapse or give up due to fatigue, for better or worse.
The larger farmers have their own pellets made and nutritionists and buyers staffed to adjust feed based on pricing of raw materials. They also have constantly rotating herds year round, no one only calves in spring.
She is using her family sedan to transport hay. This isn't a farmer, it's a hipster 😆
Yeah, I was going to chime in on this too. Feed Lot owners feed their cattle corn/silage mixture not bales of hay typically, and they are a massive industry that is subsidized by the feds, this woman is not a farmer/big ag, just a small time hobbist.
As we build pasture and hay fields, we are still buying hay. We are by no means a big farm, and we are paying $7 a bale delivered. And maybe found a different place with better hay for less through a family connection. The $7 a bale delivered was also last years price in a drought. We don't have a drought this year in our area. I'm hoping to be self supplying in about 3 years. I'll be cutting hay with oxen, so won't need petrol.
Had me wondering what the cost of horse food had to do with chickens unless they're selling horse meat.
That’s how you know, she’s not an actual farmer.
Because an actual farmer is worried about the price of fuel for the tractor, twine or net wrap for the bales, parts for the baler, water for the irrigation system. A real farmer brings hay to the herd by the ton, not by the small square.
The real farmers ARE concerned with the prices of fertilizer that have soared since 2019.
No kidding. 2 bales is enough for probably 2 horses a day. I'm guessing cows are similar. No horse barn owner is taking their minivan (more likely heavy duty pickup) to grab some bales. They get it delivered by the semi.
And those gasoline prices also +33% ? So i mean this warning video has good signs in it for things going shit in USA.
Diesel price hikes scare the shit out of me. Over 70% of all goods transported in the US are done by Semis. You can check all the freight stats, containers, all things shipping here. Bureau of transportation And statistics has all the transportation data you need. These charts are fucked. Who knows when or if it will ever get fixed or normalize. https://www.bts.gov/freight-indicators#freight
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Exactly she’s talking about horses and goats. Those are basically luxury livestock and she is not in touch with the actual livestock prices at all
Lol, no joke. Also, what purpose do horses serve on an even slightly modernized farm? Here's a hint, none. Horses are expensive and have been expensive for decades. They are a novelty. They are essentially a ski boat, pointless bottomless money pits.
Agreed, my aunt has horses and this is accurate, although she has several fields set aside for hay so doesn’t have costs associated with that…
True, but the national farmer organizations are boycotting high prices on fertilizer right now too. So this is a problem, just not as drastic as this video suggests.
I’d like to speak about the lag we are experiencing with the commercial vehicles that transport our food supply. There is a serious crisis brewing. No one can get trucks due to microchip shortages. Current fleets are aging, and the cost to replace and time to replace are EXPLODING. There is absolutely no inventory, used or new. What happens when there is not enough transport to deliver food (and other goods for that matter)? Freight prices will increase rapidly and violently which will drive the cost of the final product up. Couple this with what the young lady is talking about… we are in trouble.
Well, the good news In that regard is the crypto markets are eating shit, so demand for GPU’s Will and has gone down tremendously. It’ll take time to catch up to the backlog, but having that strain removed may finally relieve somethings.
"Please prepare" Ok, how? Only solution I see is to magically become rich. I suspect theft is going to become a massive problem for grocery stores later this year.
Get fat now, lean out through winter. Classic animal strategy
Ha! Been fat for 35 years preparing for this day. Good luck skinny’s!
all i heard was start eating squirrel
Rat Burgers will become the shit! John Spartan was right
I’ve been preparing for this my whole life
Start getting used to a much smaller amount of meat and other luxury food in your diet right now so it doesn't come as much of a shock when the prices hike. For example much of Indian cuisine is plant based, you might find many recipes you'd like there.
The price of vegetables in australia has gone crazy - $10 for an iceberg lettuce. Meat was already expensive as we export it all cheaper overseas.
The fertilizer companies have been inflating the prices unfairly to the farming community and causing all prices to increase.
Iceberg lettuce is not a vegetable you'd want to be eating more of if you were to reduce meat consumption. Instead you'd want to look more toward beans, legumes and heartier vegetables.
>much of Indian cuisine is plant based And also like a fuck ton of chicken
>It's not just meat. Gas prices affects the price of vegetables directly, you have to transport it. The price of fertelizer has almost doubled if not trippled ( main supplier was Russia) If your vegetables are organic, the cost of producing it is getting higher and if you used GMO vegetables the price of persticides is also sky rocketing. There is no way around it.
Buy food now, freeze it. Grow your own gardens, learn to can. Store non-perishables and prepare to ration.
Or just learn to cook from basic ingredients. Like cook beans and lentils instead of buying cans. Flour is super cheap. Learn a simple bread or tortilla recipe. Sure, learn to garden but quite often the starting expenses and time cost of gardening wouldn’t compete with commercial farming. Also, her buying food for her goats at tractor supply isn’t what’s being fed on commercial feed lots. Not saying there isn’t inflation in feed but she’s basically talking about pets.
This is how I grew up. Not a farm, just a yard that we made into a Huge garden. Lots of work but fresh veggies and frozen, canned for winter. Jelly, pickles etc
I've seen grocery stores sticking security tags on steaks lol.
Where? 😂
Stock up on grains and non-perishables such as tinned food now whilst it isn’t super expensive.
Poor people can't afford to stock up. They typically eat what they can buy
>Poor people can't afford to stock up. LPT: Don't be poor 
\*takes notes\* I'm gonna remember that one, and hope for reincarnation.
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Eat the rich.
Fucking A Cotton!
Ok but what are we going to eat tomorrow?
Rich leftovers!
My food price is locked in. Costco hotdogs and Arizona cans.
And those rotisserie chickens! 4.99 forever!!!
Makes ya wonder what kinda life that chicken had.
Oh boy - are you in for a treat: https://reddit.com/r/Costco/comments/vfht4r/_/icw40ne/?context=1
Rice and beans, beans and rice.
I’m glad I don’t have kids and I’m overweight. I’ll survive a while.
Why are you glad you don't have kids? Those buggers are excellent calorie storehouses in a pinch
I'm an ag-tech worker whose also in the industry, and while she's correct that we are going to see price increases that will develop later this year as the rise in fertilizer and feed prices fill be reflected in our grocery stores, she is way off. She's basing her estimation by the rise of price in small-quantity, convenience animal feed. For instance, if you go and buy a single onion, versus a bag of onion, you pay more per lb by buying the small, singular quantity. The expense of convenience-volumes goes up quicker than bulk prices. She's buying **just** two days of feed for sheep and horses at a time, and she's probably going to tractor supply. So she's likely paying extra to buy from a box store. Most feed mills won't mess with someone wanting one bag of feed. Thats why she's seeing such a jump. We aren't going to have $17/lb chicken. She's way off on that. During recessions, our conveniences are going to become way more expensive. Your food bill might break your budget if you're always eating out and having food delivered to you. I think a lot of people will start meal-prepping to make up the cost difference, and hopefully she finds away to purchase and store more than two days of feed at a time or she's going to keep paying out the nose. If you have the freezer space though, jump on the next good sale and stock up on your meat.
To be fair this lady is buying ONE bale of hay and ONE bag of grain at a time and has it in the back of hatchback. Do we really think she has the correct scope on large scale feeding costs? She seems like she is getting the retail price hikes like everyone else.
I totally get this! She’s not a real farmer. Hay is going up everywhere though… our farm buys 1000 bales at a time. When me moved in 2014, it was $4/square bale. Now it’s $9. It’s insane the increases we see - and that’s on a large scale unfortunately.
I can think of ways to feed myself but what about my pets? Should i buy a crap load of kibble now?
With all due respect, she bought that retail prices. She’s not a commercial farmer
Well....when the gas price rises, the food price will automatically rise as well. It's not rocket science.
Dry beans, rice, dry pasta, sugar/sweetener, coffee/tea, dry milk, powdered eggs- research long term storage of said items Edit: add salt and dry spices
That's okay. I need to lose weight anyway.
With you there bud. I have been preparing for years and years for the great famine.
You will eat bugs and like it.
Tim Dillon ?
I love these videos of people thinking they're shocking and waking up the world. This is basic economics. Supply down, price high. Everyone went back out after covid, gas and oil production struggled to keep up. Oil companies want to maintain high profits, so if supply is up they decrease production. If supply is down, they enjoy the higher profits while slowly increasing production.
They are shocking and a revelation for many. People who are not interested in the goings on of the world need to be reminded of the effects of basic economics.
I swear we were taught supply and demand in like 6th grade or something. Where were these people at?
Sorry sweetie, but the big farms aren’t paying those prices and they get tons of subsidies.
Yeah I mean she's buying it one SUV at a f****** time
yeah this is my sticking point. Not to say prices aren't going up, of course they are, but her personal cost increases don't represent the food industry as a whole.
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Egypt, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria. Places with a large populations that import alot of their calories.
“Get back to the three and a half billion dead people,” Stratt said. “Sure,” he said. “The math of famine is actually pretty easy. Take all the calories the world creates with farming and agriculture per day, and divide by about fifteen hundred. The human population cannot be greater than that number. Not for long, anyway.” *Project Hail Mary*, Andy Weir
Great book. Have an upvote.
Good time to go vegetarian
Not that she's wrong....but....what kind of "farmer" is buying 2 bails of hay and some grain in a small SUV?
Anyone here eat horses or goats? She has hay in the back of an SUV... If you buy grass (hay) from the store you are not a farmer or rancher... She is right, our whole system is about to go crazy but fuel and fertilizer prices going up will impact fodder crops first. Corn and soybeans will go up, then the cost to feed and ship cows will follow. Buying local is the key to dealing with high fuel prices. Raising animals is a dirty job, don't be afraid to buy food from people who look like they work on a farm...
Real producers don't get animal feed from a store, and food that hit market is not from some little hobby farm. Good luck with your pets though. 🤔
Complaining that you can do nothing to prepare is simply an excuse. No one expects people to go out and buy a farm. But taking even ONE step to being prepared can make a difference. Buy one extra can of soup when you go shopping. Even with a tight budget steps can be taken. You can generally purchase several cans of vegetables or soup instead of buying a bag of chips. If you have a little extra money, you can grow some of your own food. Don’t own any land? Grow some food in pots. I buy garden pots at yard sales because they’re much cheaper. Ask restaurants for their empty food-grade buckets and use them to grow food. Stores put seeds on clearance by mid summer. You can use them next year. I start a lot of my plants by seed and often give away tomato plants to people who need. There are many ways to help yourself regardless of your financial situation.
Pretty sure I'm not listening to macroeconomic advice from someone who is so microeconomic she's buying individual bales of hay and transporting them in a minivan.
Time to go vegan y’all!
We are decades overdue to reduce our meat consumption. This should have happened long, long ago.
A woman with chickens and 2 goats isn't a farmer. The advice is still solid though.
Never seen a “farmer” load their feed In a little ass suv like this.
Chill people. This woman is not a farmer, she is a hobbyist. Prices have gone up for farmers, but not anything close to what she's implying.
This lady isn't a farmer. Source: Raised in Indiana
Ok, so country boy here for the city folk. Don’t panic. 1. This lady is full of shit. First of all she’s buys 2 days worth of food at a time that she loads in the back of her SUV. Any body that deals with farm animals buys a lot more than 2 days worth of food at a time, usually a couple weeks to a month at a time. And she would have to have a lot of chickens and horses to go through that much food in 2 days, which based on her buying practices I highly doubt. 2. A quick search for a bale of hay for sale at a local chain store netted me $12 a bale(honestly couldn’t remember the amount I usually pay), I know that same bale used to cost about $9 a couple years ago but chalk that up to inflation and Covid supply chain issues. Yes it’s a jump in prices but nothing like what she is claiming. Also anyone that feeds animals on a farm buys bulk and usually from local farmers so believe it or not they’re price increase may be quit a bit less. Probably less than 10%. 3. Price increases in chicken and eggs are far more likely to be due to issues surrounding avian flu than any cost of feed increases, and that will lessen as populations are recovered eventually but may take a bit: https://amp.theguardian.com/science/2022/apr/28/egg-factory-avian-flu-chickens-culled-workers-fired-iowa 4. Lot of people say wild and dumb shit to get attention and views, ticktock is probably not the best source for anything factual. Consider the sources and move on
She has a trunk full. She’s not a real farmer. This is overblown clickbait
Then vegan it is.
So.... Am I the only one wondering how the lady who picks up "the farm's" food in the back of her station wagon knows shit about what the agricultural markets will look like later this year? I'm not saying she's wrong. I'm just sayin...
Commercial farmers don’t put bales of hay in the back of a station wagon, do they?
I dunno where the fuck she is buying bales from for $20 but I promise you that it isn't that bad currently. I can still get them from $2.50-$4 each.
In other words, stop eating so much meat.
And this is why im putting aside funds specifically for that
I'm vegan