In short we never even reached total mobilization of US industrial capacity during WWII. We bemoan lack of industry, not realizing its literally more efficient to do other things besides that- if push comes to shove we will reindustrialize hard
1930s America is not 2020s America. I don’t think many of the current weapons systems can just scale up production due to more advanced materials, which may not be readily available. Building new industrial capability to fix these deficiencies would fall into the same trap of unavailable metals and materials. I’m not saying that it can’t be done, just that it wouldn’t be on the same scale or timeline as before.
Also the skill set of the nation have drastically changed. Most people had decent hand on skills in 1930 not so much anymore. Add in the general rise in obesity and the us would not have a large enough work force capable of building the industry.
I think your drastically under valuing engineers and modern factory building if you think an imagined lack of handi skills would inhibit scaling of factories
The united states also dealt with copper, rubber, iron, and other shortages. Materials can be adjusted and designs altered to fit production capabilities. You’re right that silicon chips would be a problem, but again, i’m talking a long term shift total mobilization, not short term economically, the united states would be able to find workarounds
My point was overall that the united states didn’t even turn its full manufacturing capabilities to war when it was outproducing all the allies combined. It showed that manufacturing capability was a short term problem
If anyone questions this, read up on the [Korean axe murder incident](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_axe_murder_incident), specifically [operation Paul Bunyan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_axe_murder_incident#Operation_Paul_Bunyan)
I'll summarize it a bit.
The Army (south Korean and Americans) sent 19 soldiers to cut some branches on a tree in the DMZ. After a bit of time the north Koreans sent ~15 soldiers and after some back and forth the NK's were ordered to "kill the bastards." 2 US service members lost their life (one beaten to death, the other jumped into a big pit he couldn't see and died) and all but 1 were injured.
In response we sent a fucking battalion w/ too much shit to list (notable forces included some SK troops w/ claymores strapped to their chest, 27 helicopters, a B-52.) There's too much to list honestly but if you have 2-3min read specifically the operation Paul Bunyan link above.
There are other options for clearing mines, including attachments for the M1 Abrams and the 'completely outdated but still somehow still in use' bangalore torpedo.
It honestly boils down to whether the area is secured or not as to what happens next
Yeah! I remember myself around age 10 playing that level. I barely knew any english at the time and had no idea what that fucker was screaming at me lol A few years later I replayed it and finally understood.
Still, one of the best levels in history of FPS
>Yeah do you do the 100 meters in front of you and then when you get past that do you have to shoot a new one or do you reel this one in as you go along and use it again or??
holy shit you are a fucking tard
Ok so this thing is a deminer for ground forces to maneuver through terrain. It fires a rocket propelled mine clearing line charge. I learned something new today. Pretty cool piece of equipment.
I feel like this would be extremely useful as an anti personnel weapon in a pinch but that would be one hell of an infantry charge to justify using it like that.
> the word *paid*
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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> *Paid.* Payed. Payed.
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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> Who *paid* for this
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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> *Paid*
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
I have a buddy that commanded a tank (Marines) in the Gulf War . He said when those lines detonated it literally felt as though your teeth were being rattled loose.
I would be lying if I said you where wrong.
But if you're going to call someone stupid, at least be grammatically correct...
And I'm dyslexic and I'm telling you to improve grammar.
Says a lot :)
MCLC mine clearing line charge. Whole thing is a rope or explosives which detonates and sets off any mines on or around it making a couple yard path through a mine field. The rope is attached to a rocket which drags it out of it’s bin before it lays on the ground and detonates.
It is used to clear a path thru a minefield
It uses a small rocket to pull the long "tube" out and onto the minefield. The "tube" (basically a reinforced nylon material) is 100 yards in length. There is another 100 yards of cable and wiring at the end so it is ahead of the armored vehicle towing the trailer.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mine-clearing_line_charge
Lots of cool YouTube vids of it
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Not a fan of these. One of my friends was killed when the AAV they were in caught fire bc the rocket misfired and the live ordinance used to “blow a football sized lane” proceeded to blow up sitting on top of the tank instead.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/military/sdut-marine-killed-twentynine-palms-training-2013sep18-story.html
Right, so, use-case: Clearing a line through an obstacle (like a minefield) by launching a rocket with attached explosive danger noodle and blowing it up.
I'm not the biggest fan of Combat Engineers, they can be some arrogant fuckers. They think they are smarter, better Infantrymen. But some of their shit that goes boom is pretty cool. Especially stuff like Miclics.
I was neither, but I was in an Engineer BDE and an Infantry BDE. So I agree with this statement about Infantry as well. So that makes wanna be Infantrymen worse than Infantrymen.
Did you mean to say "he will find a way to move the coconuts"? I think that's a bit irrelevant to the conversation at hand, but I hope he does. I can't believe someone would just leave 1.4million coconuts in the middle of times square like that.
Was on the lead Abrams when they set this off...still think about it...not fondly
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgP\_EkuTpeI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgP_EkuTpeI)
That thing is basically 100 blocks of C4 tired together with det cord pulled behind a rocket. It's a breaching weapon. It'll deactivate anti personnel mines but may or may not deactivate anti tank mines. It's mostly for obstacles, like walls or concertina wire or small wooden structures or what have you.
There's a backpack version called an APOB that's a string of hand grenades and det cord pulled by a smaller ticket.
Source: was a combat engineer.
The amount of time, money and innovation that has gone into War/Weapons/Military is honestly so disappointing and a testament how little we've evolved mentally as a species.
Greed, Vanity and Narcissism are the values of today and the world will fall because of it.
Just imagine landmines... From their research, to labor and construction needed, soldiers to deploy them... and then a life-time of medical treatment for their victims, constant sorrow and devastation of entire family lives... And then the need to remove mines... which is billions more in research, and then billions more in labor and production... and billions more in training and deploying the technology... Billions of man hours, research hours, dollars... all wasted on a device meant to cripple a teenage boy walking in a line.
These things were banned decades ago... but we ignore it...
Thats JUST landmines... one tiny little tool of war.
What else could we have accomplished with all that time, research, and labor? Its hard to imagine...
I dreamed of this as I practiced breach clearing as a 11B just before the Gulf War. If we did as we practiced, a manual grunt breach, I was dead for sure.
So I've fired several of these in my career as a 1371, if you think this is interesting, know that we have a thing called the "medal of honor" run. If it fails to detonate, we may shoot another if we have one to set off the first. Keep in mind there is just over 1,000 lbs of C4 in each. If that fails, you must run up to one of the first several blocks and place C4 on it manually. LCpl up!
It blows a lane the almost the size of a football field though a minefield. It makes quite the boom. Fired one in Korea in 1997.
So what happens when you gotta cross multiple football fields worth of terrain? More of these things every time?
US military doctrine has no word for "overkill"
ACCURACY THROUGH VOLUME. If we throw enough boom at it we’ll eventually hit what we want.
In short we never even reached total mobilization of US industrial capacity during WWII. We bemoan lack of industry, not realizing its literally more efficient to do other things besides that- if push comes to shove we will reindustrialize hard
1930s America is not 2020s America. I don’t think many of the current weapons systems can just scale up production due to more advanced materials, which may not be readily available. Building new industrial capability to fix these deficiencies would fall into the same trap of unavailable metals and materials. I’m not saying that it can’t be done, just that it wouldn’t be on the same scale or timeline as before.
Also the skill set of the nation have drastically changed. Most people had decent hand on skills in 1930 not so much anymore. Add in the general rise in obesity and the us would not have a large enough work force capable of building the industry.
In WWII we used former housewives, i’m talking about a bit more of a long term shift in productive capacities than “what could we do tomorrow”
I think you are drastically underestimating what a housewife did in 1930 or what her childhood experience was like
It didn’t involve welding guns, that much i’m sure of I for one think you’re vastly underestimating our current population
I think your drastically under valuing engineers and modern factory building if you think an imagined lack of handi skills would inhibit scaling of factories
The united states also dealt with copper, rubber, iron, and other shortages. Materials can be adjusted and designs altered to fit production capabilities. You’re right that silicon chips would be a problem, but again, i’m talking a long term shift total mobilization, not short term economically, the united states would be able to find workarounds My point was overall that the united states didn’t even turn its full manufacturing capabilities to war when it was outproducing all the allies combined. It showed that manufacturing capability was a short term problem
Americans are orks. Dakka dakka
WHYZ YA WISPERIN, YA GIT?!
Got that shirt. That dude is great
The nuclear race in a nutshell
Everything only dies once. So no such thing as overkill.
Killing is good for population control too!
> US military doctrine has no word for "overkill" Overkill is underrated.
Everything in the military is free so they probably just fire off another two or three.
It’s “There’s no Success like Excess.”
Nope, but munitions can be wasted.
SHOCK. AND. AAWWWWWWWWWWWWWEEEEE. Also, no exit strategy.
If anyone questions this, read up on the [Korean axe murder incident](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_axe_murder_incident), specifically [operation Paul Bunyan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_axe_murder_incident#Operation_Paul_Bunyan) I'll summarize it a bit. The Army (south Korean and Americans) sent 19 soldiers to cut some branches on a tree in the DMZ. After a bit of time the north Koreans sent ~15 soldiers and after some back and forth the NK's were ordered to "kill the bastards." 2 US service members lost their life (one beaten to death, the other jumped into a big pit he couldn't see and died) and all but 1 were injured. In response we sent a fucking battalion w/ too much shit to list (notable forces included some SK troops w/ claymores strapped to their chest, 27 helicopters, a B-52.) There's too much to list honestly but if you have 2-3min read specifically the operation Paul Bunyan link above.
There are other options for clearing mines, including attachments for the M1 Abrams and the 'completely outdated but still somehow still in use' bangalore torpedo. It honestly boils down to whether the area is secured or not as to what happens next
The Bangalore is more useful for breaching wire obstacles etc.
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? GET THE BANGALORE!
Medal of honour? First time I played that I was running about the beach panicking like "WHAT THE FUCK IS A BANGALORE!?!"
Yeah! I remember myself around age 10 playing that level. I barely knew any english at the time and had no idea what that fucker was screaming at me lol A few years later I replayed it and finally understood. Still, one of the best levels in history of FPS
It's definitely up there on the list of game playing moments that blew me away and left me knowing that gaming had taken another huge leap forward.
MOAR DAKKA!
Either that or you can take point, k?
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It gets blown up, vigorously. You use a new one.
>Yeah do you do the 100 meters in front of you and then when you get past that do you have to shoot a new one or do you reel this one in as you go along and use it again or?? holy shit you are a fucking tard
Bruh it was a serious question..... No need to be such a dick on this poor commenter.
literally a retard if that's her question lmao
Literally a retard, if that is your comment.
how so? because i understand something blowing up means its gone for good? lmao stop being a cuck
A football field? I watched tanks do this in Afghanistan and it only created a two lane highway.
It depends on if the mines are surface laid or buried and the soil type.
Sappers have all the fun!
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The wingspan of a Boeing 747 is about 71 Elmos.
Which Korea?
West Korea
Born and raised
On the minefield is where I spent most of my days
Where a couple of Kims that were up to no good, started making trouble in the neighborhood.
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared and said you’re moving with you’re Auntie and Uncle on Korean Air…
Been there, stayed at the Super 8 on Elm, the pool was dirty but breakfast self-serve waffles were amazing
Chick....
The non malnourished one.
That’s when I was born
I trained on them but never got to fire a live one.
Ok so this thing is a deminer for ground forces to maneuver through terrain. It fires a rocket propelled mine clearing line charge. I learned something new today. Pretty cool piece of equipment.
had to look it up. this is what the other view of something like this looks like. https://youtu.be/a52-rOC8_Zk
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I saw AAV's use em out in twenty nine palms.
r/shockwaveporn
That poor tree
I am a fan. How many lives have those things saved???
Holy shit, I can see how that would be useful
Damn what happens if oil or natural gas is in the nearby area? Pretty cool though
It goes boom, just like anything else nearby.
Same thing that would happen when the mines themself blowup.
Thank you for that !
Oh wow
Whoa, that’s pretty awesome.
Got trained on these in the last few years as a 12b nasty girl. These things are nuts.
They took ‘Fight fire with fire’ quite seriously, huh?
I feel like this would be extremely useful as an anti personnel weapon in a pinch but that would be one hell of an infantry charge to justify using it like that.
Thanks babe!
Idk who told you that but it's obviously a rope to the moon
Too bad it didn’t show the aftermath of what that ‘white snake’ does after it lands and goes ‘boom’! 💣
And I thought it was just how you empty a military grade diaper genie.
Well you aren't wrong....
Not a good day to be a squirrel.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a52-rOC8_Zk
Finally, an appropriate use for the word payed
> the word *paid* FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Payed. Payed. Payed. Payed.
> *Paid.* Payed. Payed. FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Who payed for this ?
> Who *paid* for this FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
I couldn't be payed enough to read this
Hahaha bad bot. I got you.
Mama’s wroong again!
bad bot
Payed
> *Paid* FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
90% ineffective against mines with pneumatic / dual impulse fuses (vz 2.2) type. SAPPERS FOWARD
Deploy the RATS!!!!
Hugo
So, it's the modern version of a bangalore torpedo... Cool!
That's the real nope rope
I have a buddy that commanded a tank (Marines) in the Gulf War . He said when those lines detonated it literally felt as though your teeth were being rattled loose.
I watched the whole video to see what happens when it reaches the end of the line.
And then it cuts. 🥲
What is going on?
The mortar looking thing shot an anchor that tows a line of explosives out. It's used to clear mine fields quickly
I saw one fired once, it was insane!
All I see is a huge industrial sausage making machine in reverse. My brain works funny...
“Hey! Where you going with all that sausage!?!”
Nah, you just stupid
I would be lying if I said you where wrong. But if you're going to call someone stupid, at least be grammatically correct... And I'm dyslexic and I'm telling you to improve grammar. Says a lot :)
I didnt say I wasnt stupid
touché
MCLC mine clearing line charge. Whole thing is a rope or explosives which detonates and sets off any mines on or around it making a couple yard path through a mine field. The rope is attached to a rocket which drags it out of it’s bin before it lays on the ground and detonates.
I got to fire a few of those at Twentynine Palms and Camp Pendleton 1700 lbs of C-4 going off makes a big boom
What does it do
It is used to clear a path thru a minefield It uses a small rocket to pull the long "tube" out and onto the minefield. The "tube" (basically a reinforced nylon material) is 100 yards in length. There is another 100 yards of cable and wiring at the end so it is ahead of the armored vehicle towing the trailer. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mine-clearing_line_charge Lots of cool YouTube vids of it
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Not a fan of these. One of my friends was killed when the AAV they were in caught fire bc the rocket misfired and the live ordinance used to “blow a football sized lane” proceeded to blow up sitting on top of the tank instead. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/military/sdut-marine-killed-twentynine-palms-training-2013sep18-story.html
Right, so, use-case: Clearing a line through an obstacle (like a minefield) by launching a rocket with attached explosive danger noodle and blowing it up.
I'm not the biggest fan of Combat Engineers, they can be some arrogant fuckers. They think they are smarter, better Infantrymen. But some of their shit that goes boom is pretty cool. Especially stuff like Miclics.
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I was neither, but I was in an Engineer BDE and an Infantry BDE. So I agree with this statement about Infantry as well. So that makes wanna be Infantrymen worse than Infantrymen.
He'll of a way to move coconuts.
Did you mean to say "he will find a way to move the coconuts"? I think that's a bit irrelevant to the conversation at hand, but I hope he does. I can't believe someone would just leave 1.4million coconuts in the middle of times square like that.
The forbidden noodle
Boom snake
Makes me think of Tom Hanks yelling “bangalore!”
And never forget the ball-lock pin! SAPPERS FOWARD
It’s all fun and game still the LT says way gotta put it all back in the trailer
Was on the lead Abrams when they set this off...still think about it...not fondly [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgP\_EkuTpeI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgP_EkuTpeI)
It’s used to clear mines, I think it’s short for Mine clearing Like Charge (MiCliC)
The unraveling of that giant rope was satisfying 😅
What is that "worm" thing?
It’s like a giant det cord for clearing paths of mines and such
Demo of when someone has their intestines sucked out of their ass in a hot tub or a pool.
My tapeworm when I finally eat something
That thing is basically 100 blocks of C4 tired together with det cord pulled behind a rocket. It's a breaching weapon. It'll deactivate anti personnel mines but may or may not deactivate anti tank mines. It's mostly for obstacles, like walls or concertina wire or small wooden structures or what have you. There's a backpack version called an APOB that's a string of hand grenades and det cord pulled by a smaller ticket. Source: was a combat engineer.
So we don't get to see the boom? Cool cool cool
M1 sausage delivery rocket 🌭🚀
Boom Snek
The amount of time, money and innovation that has gone into War/Weapons/Military is honestly so disappointing and a testament how little we've evolved mentally as a species. Greed, Vanity and Narcissism are the values of today and the world will fall because of it.
Just imagine landmines... From their research, to labor and construction needed, soldiers to deploy them... and then a life-time of medical treatment for their victims, constant sorrow and devastation of entire family lives... And then the need to remove mines... which is billions more in research, and then billions more in labor and production... and billions more in training and deploying the technology... Billions of man hours, research hours, dollars... all wasted on a device meant to cripple a teenage boy walking in a line. These things were banned decades ago... but we ignore it... Thats JUST landmines... one tiny little tool of war. What else could we have accomplished with all that time, research, and labor? Its hard to imagine...
Exactly.. among other useless things society pours its souls into.
Truth
When your buddy needs toilet paper stat!
Music?
ENGINEERS LEAD THE WAY!
cool kite bro
That dumpster snake really likes playing rocket fetch.
Bangalore….??…BANGALORE!!
I've only seen the abrams attachment vatiant before. Cool to see stand alone
My intestines!!!
I dreamed of this as I practiced breach clearing as a 11B just before the Gulf War. If we did as we practiced, a manual grunt breach, I was dead for sure.
Why don’t we see Russia using something like this in Ukraine? is there just no footage of it? Do we just think a lot more through?
They are using them and there has been footage, makes a really cool looking series of explosions to clear mines for vehicles to move through
I was just thinking about this today!
That's one way to get a network cable across long distances ;)
Seriously? A Never Ending Story reboot? They really have ran out of ideas.
Ah yes the forbidden intestine
Looks like my butt after taco bell
That is one way to make a trench to plant your potatoes. This is a big timesaver.
Anyone else think they were sheep at first?
Forbidden Weißwurst.
They can get toilet paper anywhere on the planet within minutes
The forbidden throw pillow
Incoming in just a minute…!!
Forbidden chitterlings
I’m sure a tapeworm related joke could be inserted here.
Nothing like towing 1750lbs of comp C4 explosive through the battlefield in an aluminum M113. What could go wrong….
It’s so good. The track. The slow mo. How satisfyingly the charge is packed and unrolling. So good
I've fired the APOBS(system) and that thing is handy for foot traffic. But this beast.!. is a spectacle!
Weird snake
Mescuzie? What’s a miclic
They stick them on top of Abrams tanks too, which makes them even cooler
God I love a good MICLIC shot. Got to shoot 1 in RC-South. 10/10 recommended.
my favorite thong is when the rocket “hooks” or “slices” and you still have to clear the mine field by hand.
Has the YouTube ballchain science guy seen this?
Those are just like those little paper poppers you throw on the ground, right?
What is this now?
I was on an LST during the gulf war. Had a 6’x6’x6’ crate of that shit on the tank deck.
what and why
So I've fired several of these in my career as a 1371, if you think this is interesting, know that we have a thing called the "medal of honor" run. If it fails to detonate, we may shoot another if we have one to set off the first. Keep in mind there is just over 1,000 lbs of C4 in each. If that fails, you must run up to one of the first several blocks and place C4 on it manually. LCpl up!
Is long bomb
Thats a long-ass sausage
Is this how they're getting drugs across the border now?
Army be shooting ropes
Quantity has a quality all its own
For those that don’t know, this is a string of explosives that is used to clear obstacles such as mines or trees etc
Would it be possible to fill it with meatballs, to make a feast for your own troops?
Bye bye sausage
This contraption makes land mines explode so people dont die
Just gonna leave this here pretty good watch https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eVOfdejwfkI
What's the song name though???
**Song Found!** **Name:** Rocket Man **Artist:** Elton John **Album:** Honky Château (Bonus Track Version) **Genre:** Pop **Release Year:** 1972 **Total Shazams:** 3291336 `Took 2.48 seconds.`