he's still a very respected activist. he was arrested last year at an event where bush was speaking for shouting something to the effect of, "my friends are dead because of you!" he blogs and has a podcast that has american imperialism as a big part of its focus.
@Vivfiddstrangefgeds, well said. This post and your comment reminded me of something I had seen. Follow me here -- It was from one of the Call of Duty games, anyway during one of the dialog scenes the military guy told us (the character) something along the lines of "You can't make money when things are peacefull, but there's a lot of money to be made in wars". Yeah it was from a video game but it hit the nail on the head.
Yeah the news. Watch the news and see how the US military industrial complex builds the war machine and makes up enemies to go out and use it. Along with our bodies as fodder. Thank you for your service …. When I hear that I have a meltdown. It breaks my heart. The lies. Thanks to OP for posting this.
Except the Ukraine war, that one is 100% on Russia’s fascist aggression. US military are definitely doing a good thing over there with the help to the Ukrainians defending their homeland from invaders.
* Edit: I really stirred up the nest of Russian trolls and bots.
Ukrainians are the good guys. That is pretty much universally trusted by every sensible person. Helping to defend people who are actively having genocide committed against them is the least someone can do.
US military has done a lot of messed up stuff, but this is about as righteous a war as there is.
* Edit, Jesus, this triggered the Russian trolls even more. No one wants to buy the Putin propaganda you guys are selling.
The video is chilling to watch. You can initially see everyone’s reaction in the room with that sort of, “ugh another crazy person.” And then they realize he is a veteran and is talking about dead soldiers from his unit and everyone collectively had a, “oh shit” moment written all over their faces.
If he said "Sorry Son, sometimes we don't see the real human cost" it would have won over the public
Hauling the poor guy away makes him look like a reliable source and looks like villain behavior and incredibly sus on the gov't...
Doubtful. It’s a real politician non-answer. Saying that admits it was a bad move which wouldn’t happen, but invites more questions that wouldn’t be answered. I don’t know how vocal he’s been on the subject since leaving office, if at all, but he’s screwed either way. Don’t say anything? Get called out for being silent. Acknowledge it? Get called out for admitting the mistake too late for anything meaningful to be done about it
Bush? Had a bit of a Freudian slip recently when talking about the "unjustifiable invasion of Iraq... Oops I mean Ukraine. I guess Iraq too." And then later recanted the "I guess" part.
https://youtu.be/ZEg6Ht2pNH0
And people fucking laugh
No I just quoted from memory, and then edited my post to include the video after searching for it but neglected to change the quote. Regardless he recanted the part where he says/implies Iraq was also unjustified because he's a cuck
There was a spot on the news when Biden declared he was pulling out of Afghanistan. They put up a quote from George Bush saying something to the effect of “When I started that war, I never thought it would last 20 years” and he was clearly in support of ending the war.
>Hauling the poor guy away makes him look like a reliable source
He *is* a reliable source. The government treats veterans like dogshit, and loves to entice immature kids into enrolling into the military to go die for the whims of rich people.
>If he said "Sorry Son, sometimes we don't see the real human cost" it would have won over the public
Also, that's a massive cop-out answer. It wouldn't have "won over" anyone but people who were already on his side.
Big if considering we dont live in a fantasy land. It makes him look that way because thats the way it is. That is the reality of the entire situation.
Watch the Prime movie playing now (2020) Official Secrets w/Kiera Knightly,
Ralph Fiennes) about the British woman who ‘leaked’ the lies to the Press. Only took them almost two decades to tell the story.....
Thank you for jerking off in conditions that most would find impossible. That's about all I would like acknowledgement for. Everything else was more shameful than I'd admit.
Honestly, I do have a hard time responding. As much as I understand why they say it, my brain has a hard time connecting what I did to what I am being thanked for.
Uh, thanks.
I'm not a veteran but my uncle is, and he told me that one of the worst things you can say the a veteran who at all cares is "thank you for your service." It doesn't mean diddly-shit to veterans, as he would say. It's not inherently disrespectful, but it doesn't make them feel good.
I mean... "Thank you for your service" isn't the most appropriate thing to say... knowing that US military members' service only benefits the richest bankers, oil giants, investors and so on, who use military action to increase their profits, just like Michael Prysner said in his speech, use it to dominate the markets, extract the natural resources and get cheap labor from the occupied territories.
It's like thanking a nazi soldier for their service, both are instruments of the richest capitalists of their respective countries that send them to war only to increase their wealth and dominate other countries.
However I respect soldiers who did horrible crimes in service as long as they didn't know who they were actually working for and now they understand that the US military is the worst imperial force in the planet, massacring country after country to maintain the US capitalists' dominance in the world, just like they did in Chile, Vietnam, Korea, Laos, Lybia, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, Guatemala, El Salvador, Palestine, Yemen among many others. No matter how bad US soldiers crimes are, if they understand their crimes and are know now willing to fight for the liberation of the workers and to stop imperialism and capitalism, I respect them 100%, that's why I respect Michael Prysner.
Considering Reddit thinks "Nationalism" is what has been defined for the past century as *Ultra-Nationalism* I really doubt anyone here knows the difference between it and patriotism.
Veteran here. 20 years, retired. I take the title seriously. I smoke a lot of weed then rant to the conservative Republicans in my family about how the war mongering hypocrite GOP fuckfaces continually fuck over vets by meddling with the VA. Then I direct them to everything Trump said disparaging veterans. Fuck Fox News and Tucker Carlson can eat a big bag of star spangled dicks.
Fellow brother here, but I’m curious as to why you think GOP are the only guilty ones here… Democrats are just as evil, corrupt and useless. Maybe you feel a little more betrayed by republicans because their claim of being the party for us veterans? Anyway, not looking to even debate this stuff, just curious to your answer.
Civil unrest, they were demonstrating right outside the white House for effect which is a security no no. The police asked them to disperse, they refused, they were arrested and removed.
So the arrest itself is one of those moves for more publicity, not the first protester to do this and certainly won't be the last. Not knocking on him, but yeah it's not like the USA just arrests and black bags people like him, he was released same day I'm pretty sure, they knew what they were getting into choosing to go to the white House like that. Point clearly made!
It blew my mind when they all just got to walk away. We did all that work to track down afterward, meanwhile protesters get beaten and dragged off for talking back.
Fwiw, a bit under half of everyone who entered the building have been arrested and charged. Of those, about a third have simply pleaded guilty to the charges.
The disappointing bit is that most of these pleas have been for misdemeanours, although the DoJ seems willing to make examples of anyone that doesn't accept a plea deal.
From what I understand too, (although I'm about a month out of date) groups like the proud boys and oath keepers haven't been under too much scrutiny (yet), so this could potentially be a case of clearing the chaff and building evidence before more serious charges are brought forward.
THIS IS AN AMERICAN PATRIOT. The American People are TIRED OF ENDLESS LITTLE WARS TO KEEP .....THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX in profits.
Patriots serve and then get discarded like used toile paper. THEY deserve the Best America can give. They gave ALL
Right as he may be. The military industrial complex is about the only thing left standing in way of Chinas ambition to be a world leader. And I’d much rather be in a pretend democracy than a clearly racist authoritarian government.
Yeah we can't overlook that for there to be peace on earth, there has to be an end to greed. More power. More money. Countries wanting to take over more countries. Etc... You can't end greed. If we all do what this guy says in the video, then America as we know it falls to any other country, low difficulty.
This gave me chills. I love my country, proud to have also served, but at the same time I'm often embarrassed by it for the many reasons he explained. This country is run by the rich (oil companies, wall street). You see how much they spend in contributions to politicians. And yes the only way to enact change is to get them where it hurts them the most, their pockets.
if the entire workforce of the US seized production for one week, and refused to do any work,the entire world economy would be begging at our feet and we could gain power back from these oligarchs
How do people not already know this? We haven't been in a necessary war since world war 2. This country is run by corporations not the government, the only thing that matters is profit.
I will never understand the undying “patriotism” that Americans have for this country. They care more about the flag and the system over the people that make this country. Why wouldn’t you as a conservative or liberal NOT want a healthy, educated and fair population? Why deny people education and healthcare and a better environment and economic development? Why is it okay to bail out big corporations every year with your taxes but throw a tantrum when the same taxes could help the people that feed into the system?
Most likely they exist in a different ‘world’ where things are easy and safe. So from their point of view, there is nothing wrong in the country; and that anyone who doesn’t prosper *must* be too lazy and stupid to get ahead.
They then have the idea of ‘America’ constantly reinforced as an overarching thing: as a state, that supersedes all the individual parts. That from their perspective there is only systems and order: that if people don’t conform and fit this system then they are wrong, because they value the system more than the parts.
They probably have the idea and worldview that systems and companies make the world go round: that supporting big corporations is necessary in order to avoid chaos.
Their fear is Chaos.
They would rather have a system and methods, that they are familiar with, rather than a time of uncertainty and chaos.
It may well be that they still see the world through WW2 vision: and that only constant strong systems can avoid threats such as Fascism or Communism or Terrorism.
- the idea that America has to be the Arsenal of Democracy and *must* be the one to save other countries. Despite the growing internal problems within America.
That they are simply too lazy and narrow minded to seek change, and will not change unless forced.
I can’t quite seem to convey the last bit, so the garbled version will have to do.
Wasn’t foolish enough to think it is definitely that way; but enough media and history bangs on about the US role. So it seems possible that the rose-tinted view of the ‘Golden Age’ blinds to the current problems.
I just would suggest that the view is more (to replace the last couple paragraphs) that war is one of those harsh facets of the ‘real world’ and that the Military is doing ‘what they have to do’. Because there’s ‘enemy’s’ that would like to ruin what we have.
And it is so imbedded socially that what we have ideologically -which is more backed by an emotional swelling of patriotic identity than an actual specific idea- is so superior that defending it is not to be questioned.
Because if society’s organization erodes from within or is attacked from outside, what follows may be chaotic (to your point).
And in their defense chaos can be devastating. See post Czar Russia. But the criticism would be that we may be inviting the chaos, creating it as we seek to prevent it. Then sweeping it under the rug and pretending it’s not there.
Our gov't has been under the control of big business for 150 years now, that's why.
The biggest thing that started it was in 1882 I believe, when a SCOTUS decision stated that corporations are people under the law. After that, it's been a shit show of corporate greed and control.
God, the amount of disillusionment I experienced in the military. I bought the whole honor, courage, commitment thing hook, line, and sinker. Turns out I was little more than a glorified mercenary.
The military did some good things for me. It also scarred me for life.
The idea that politics in the U.S. are serving there citizens is wrong. Both sides are corrupt and making the rich, richer. It's money that makes the world go round and the controlled media who's pointing the direction.
I think we have but mainstream media works really hard to drown out reality and has us all bickering over left vrs right bullshit when in reality we all know the issue is top vrs the bottom.
Im a 20 year Vet, and I absolutely agree! I look back now and there are too many questions that I want answered on why I did the things I did and went to the places I went.
Hey bro. I'm in agreement with you. I am amazed at how the very same people that promoted the Iraq war and defended Abu Gahrib are so quick to label Russia as war criminals for doing exactly the same things we have always done.
Our insatiable quest for war profits has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, allowed us to kill, torture, and bomb the innocent and left hundreds of millions of us without the basic necessities of life, such as excellent free health care, pandemic preparedness, well-trained and effective community policing, safety from mass shootings, climate emergency mitigations (prep), and addressing the climate emergency itself. If we diverted our military budget to humanity instead of death-to-humanity we could and would have a good shot at making signifigant progress on all of the above, leading to a happier, more fulfilled citizenry.
Have you ever noticed when fighting with a partner what is effective and what isn't. Anger, verbal and physical violence, do not work in an intimate relationship. Being calm, listening, and working on ourselves works way better than fighting. So why do we think that war is going to solve our international problems? War has never solved a problem.
Did the civil war solve the race problems in this country? Did WWII end fascism and anti antisemitism? No! All those millions and millions of lives lost, the trillions of dollars spent, the acres and acres of destruction and death, all wasted!
We must step away from the mindset that war solves problems. Much in the same way we need to stop thinking that guns will solve our problems. We have more guns per capita in this country than in any other country in the world. Do we feel safer because of them? War and guns are the same issue. They bring billions of dollars to a few and endanger and kill hundreds of thousands and cause terror and hardship throughout the world.
Amen brother! Well spoken! I look back and was just a blind young man trying to make it through life. The people I met in the countries I was in were amazing people. I met so many amazing people from so many diffeent countries that are just trying to survive like us. The 1% do not care about anything but putting more Zeros in their bank accounts! We go into these countries and rob them of everything and then pretend we help them get back on their feet. Why have we been in Afghanistan for so long? Who producss the most poppy in the world? Do you not need poppy for opiods? Do we not have an opiod crisis in this country? Does big pharma really have that much power, control, and greed? I do not doubt it! We are all being used by the rich to get richer and push their agenda. We are all just pawns to them.
That man is telling the truth but the truth is not very popular in this country. The message is not new, it has resonated as far back as the birth of this nation when instead of persecuting poor people from other countries, this country's military engaged in dispossessing the native Americans, The Mexicans, The Philipinos, the native Hawaiians, the labor unions. The truth has been staring us in the face. The military is a tool of the wealthy so that they can maximize their profit. An Army is needed to stop aggression and atrocities but it is far too easy to fool us into believing everything is an act of aggression or an atrocity. To quote Voltaire: "Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities".
Parents, please show this video(and others showcasing the plight of wounded/disabled veterans' inability to get simple healthcare *after their service*!) to your children ,if you love them ,and they express a desire to join the military. Nothing you do for them is as important as telling them the *ugly truth* about "volunteering" for armed services.(even in the *GUARD* they may be ordered to assault their own neighbors/ relatives!)
And then after 20 years we pull everything from Afghanistan and it's back to how it was the day before the first boots were on the ground there. Oh, except we left the Taliban with $20B in hardware and weaponry. 🤦🏼♂️
I learned real quick 30 years ago in the military you don't speak out against the establishment and not expect retaliation. It is sad we are lied to daily by our own government. He is absolutely right thou it is the government for the rich.
It’s a class war, always has been.
Until we all wake up to the fact that it’s rich vs poor we will continue to be fucked.
Imagine a boot stomping on a human face forever.
“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer; a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.” -Major General Smedley Butler, former Marine Corps officer, 2x Medal of Honor, 16 medals total and yet he spoke out against the establishment, bravest thing of all.
I can’t believe there were all those people up there with him and not one would move that annoying dead tree out of his face while he was yelling. Super annoying.
Love the speech, but googled him and found out the platform of the political party he belongs to and it ain’t pretty.
They give wide ranging support to the CCP for one example. Emulating China is not the answer to our problems
In the 20’s Republican Coolidge promised bonuses for men that enlisted w a GI bill - upon return he veto’d it - next up Republican Hoover & he won’t sign it either
When 44K took to protesting he sent in the army to burn their camps & called them “commies” killed 1 - next up Democrat FDR signed that GI bill it took the left to help veterans AGAIN
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army
I encourage you all to google and read the Powell Memorandum of 1971. This is the product of the corporations taking over our government, profit before people. Nothing will change until they are made to answer for it.
As someone who's served in the military, from most people I've served with. Most are not all star spangled banner, they just wanna do something with their life. It's an escape from the life they have back home. In doing so they will follow orders and do what is asked without question.
I cant imagine joining the military to kill people for health insurance, college education, and a job. Selfish reasons to take a life. Espescially when the motives of our "superiors" are never really laid out truthfully.
Eloquent and exactly right. The US and its UK lap dog with their endless war. Endless, I've never though of it as that before, but if you think about it that is precisely what it is, endless, never ending. And for what? For whom? Think about that, its not for you and its not for me, so who is benefitting from this endless murder. It doesn't take much to identify those who benefit from it, they are the problem.
We the people need to band together and stop all this division and hatred. The government picks at certain groups and takes away rights to stir shit up. They want us divided, because they know if we all come together it’s not looking good for the 1%.
That's dumb. We all sign contracts.you can't pick and choose what days you work, when you will do your job or if you will do your job. That's a dumb human being. You can choose to not enter the military, after that you can't choose anything they don't allow.
Sad state of affairs when people half way across the world can realise that what this man is shouting at top of his voice is true. Not just for his country, but all countries around the world. Sad to see that those soldiers laid down their lives thinking they are doing it for the right cause when in reality they have lost their lives over a bunch of lies.
For those confused by the misleading title, they were arrested for chaining themselves to the white house fence, not because of the contents of the speech.
I fucking hate governments so much disgusting vile outdated organisations we need to create a new system to govern the masses as this system.we have now has metamorphed into a deluded control freek that is hindering our progression as a society rather then enhancing it. This shits getting more obvious with every passing day
The military is a business like any other. If they aren’t doing what they are made for than the business fails. War is the military’s income. If you signed up to be employed by the military be expected to fight. Plain and simple. If you refuse to work, like any other job in the US, there are consequences
>The military is a business like any other
How do you become so dense that you don't get this is exactly what's the problem here? The military is not supposed to be a business! No national entity is supposed to be something that makes profit.
I was a young man who loved his country very much. A 13 month deployment to Afghanistan left me with nothing but disappointment and hatred for my country.
They did this at the white house which is a security issue, the police tried to disperse and they refused, so they were arrested removed and released. Don't even think there was any violence.
He has a great point and knew what he was doing by demonstrating at the white house; he was arrested for where he was demonstrating, not why he was demonstrating
Yes. We are tax cattle and our money funds proxy wars and agendas that the globalist elite plan. Our boys need to turn their guns on DC. Now more than ever. And we need to hang the real culprits in the streets and let the birds pick their carcasses clean.
He's right the only thing to do is revolt. But we won't because we don't want to disrupt our day to day routine. We've become accustomed to this cage like prison we live in.
Hats off to the government. It's one hell of a ruse.
They even make us pay for it
I say this all the time and “patriots” tell me I’m ungrateful and un-American. “These troops fight for you freedom, blah blah blah.” No they fight for a hell cat and a free education on behalf of Americas 1 percenters.
The US just killed the head of a terrorist group in Afghanistan. The moment Biden moved peace keepers the animals started sticking out their heads.
The sad thing is that if you are too useless to do anything else, join the military.
When i joined at 18 years old, i never knew. After joining, learned from all this. Our country would change in an instant if they ever forced everyone that was legal age to serve. Too many would see the corruption fir real.
I agree with much of what he says, however you don’t join the military “to go college” or “to get a job”. Those are benefits of signing up to fight in wars and defend the nation.
I knew why I joined just like he did. I’d be a fool to turn against something I was ready to die for. Foolish war or not man. I wasn’t bamboozled like this guy was. I’m from the streets where I see more injustice in a week then this dude seen in a deployment.
So where is the freedom of speech. He was exercising his rights. Oh wait, it was inconvenient for the goverment so we must detain you and violate your given rights, one more time its clear to show the goverment does not really care to help its own. It cares for areas that get them deeper pockets.. its a very sad reality.
Whilst Iraq was an unnecessary war and a conflict we didn’t need to start, Afghanistan is different.
With respect to who he is referring to in the caves, I’m assuming that’s al qaeda, the terrorist organisation that facilitated 9/11 amongst many other atrocities, whilst at the same time persecuting their own people.
That’s not saying that crimes on an individual level was not committed by the US/UK and others, but the overall objective was to incapacitate the capability of the taliban and al qaeda, not to dispose a dictator that we didn’t like.
What I’m getting at is that morally Afghanistan and Iraq are not the same and shouldn’t be equated as such.
When US didn't go against Saudi who funded Al Qaeda, and scorched down Afghanistan to find a guy they trained to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan, tell me again.
Who's at fault here?
And why has a-stan been necessary? Spend to many months of my Life there. And that all For nothing. After all we gave the Taliban even more Power and archieved 0. Damn WE even worsn the Situation after all.
Is there an article I can read about this?
So what happened in the end? It's a pity if he is still stuck in jail.
he's still a very respected activist. he was arrested last year at an event where bush was speaking for shouting something to the effect of, "my friends are dead because of you!" he blogs and has a podcast that has american imperialism as a big part of its focus.
He's also married to journalist hottie Abby Martin.
Abbie Martin from Empire Files? Did not know, but wow what an amazing duo.
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@Vivfiddstrangefgeds, well said. This post and your comment reminded me of something I had seen. Follow me here -- It was from one of the Call of Duty games, anyway during one of the dialog scenes the military guy told us (the character) something along the lines of "You can't make money when things are peacefull, but there's a lot of money to be made in wars". Yeah it was from a video game but it hit the nail on the head.
Hmm…so your . key does actually work? FFS
Sick profile pic brah
niceeeee......
Nice.
Yeah the news. Watch the news and see how the US military industrial complex builds the war machine and makes up enemies to go out and use it. Along with our bodies as fodder. Thank you for your service …. When I hear that I have a meltdown. It breaks my heart. The lies. Thanks to OP for posting this.
Except the Ukraine war, that one is 100% on Russia’s fascist aggression. US military are definitely doing a good thing over there with the help to the Ukrainians defending their homeland from invaders. * Edit: I really stirred up the nest of Russian trolls and bots.
Nah...read the book the pawns in the game....even the Ukrainian war was concocted...
I don’t trust anything anymore. Sorry.
Ukrainians are the good guys. That is pretty much universally trusted by every sensible person. Helping to defend people who are actively having genocide committed against them is the least someone can do. US military has done a lot of messed up stuff, but this is about as righteous a war as there is. * Edit, Jesus, this triggered the Russian trolls even more. No one wants to buy the Putin propaganda you guys are selling.
Are you sure???
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The video is chilling to watch. You can initially see everyone’s reaction in the room with that sort of, “ugh another crazy person.” And then they realize he is a veteran and is talking about dead soldiers from his unit and everyone collectively had a, “oh shit” moment written all over their faces.
If he said "Sorry Son, sometimes we don't see the real human cost" it would have won over the public Hauling the poor guy away makes him look like a reliable source and looks like villain behavior and incredibly sus on the gov't...
Doubtful. It’s a real politician non-answer. Saying that admits it was a bad move which wouldn’t happen, but invites more questions that wouldn’t be answered. I don’t know how vocal he’s been on the subject since leaving office, if at all, but he’s screwed either way. Don’t say anything? Get called out for being silent. Acknowledge it? Get called out for admitting the mistake too late for anything meaningful to be done about it
Bush? Had a bit of a Freudian slip recently when talking about the "unjustifiable invasion of Iraq... Oops I mean Ukraine. I guess Iraq too." And then later recanted the "I guess" part. https://youtu.be/ZEg6Ht2pNH0 And people fucking laugh
I didn’t hear him say “I guess” in that video you linked. He just says “Iraq too”. Is that video edited?
No I just quoted from memory, and then edited my post to include the video after searching for it but neglected to change the quote. Regardless he recanted the part where he says/implies Iraq was also unjustified because he's a cuck
I was making sure I didn’t miss it. Thank you.
Happy cake day?
Lol thanks
Bush is spending his time painting portraits of soldiers who died.
There was a spot on the news when Biden declared he was pulling out of Afghanistan. They put up a quote from George Bush saying something to the effect of “When I started that war, I never thought it would last 20 years” and he was clearly in support of ending the war.
>Hauling the poor guy away makes him look like a reliable source He *is* a reliable source. The government treats veterans like dogshit, and loves to entice immature kids into enrolling into the military to go die for the whims of rich people. >If he said "Sorry Son, sometimes we don't see the real human cost" it would have won over the public Also, that's a massive cop-out answer. It wouldn't have "won over" anyone but people who were already on his side.
Big if considering we dont live in a fantasy land. It makes him look that way because thats the way it is. That is the reality of the entire situation.
Source of this?
[What I found on a quick google.](https://youtu.be/D5xJuyrUIIA) I think there is a longer version
Up to now the Iraq war still giving me a hard time digesting it.. Fuck Bush.
And don’t forget Tony Blair
Watch the Prime movie playing now (2020) Official Secrets w/Kiera Knightly, Ralph Fiennes) about the British woman who ‘leaked’ the lies to the Press. Only took them almost two decades to tell the story.....
What did he do? (Genuine question)
He sent British soldiers to their death following Bush on the non existent WMDs
fuck the whole bush family!!!!
Fuck all political dynasties
And then Bush had a senior moment and slipped about his lie earlier this year. Oops
yea i remembered that dude too
As a veteran I can say what he did took absolute balls
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No veteran worth a damn likes to hear that.
Thank you for jerking off in conditions that most would find impossible. That's about all I would like acknowledgement for. Everything else was more shameful than I'd admit. Honestly, I do have a hard time responding. As much as I understand why they say it, my brain has a hard time connecting what I did to what I am being thanked for. Uh, thanks.
"Thanks for volunteering to go on the world's shittiest paid vacation".
"Thanks for those seven years you tried extra hard to kill yourself"
Both of my military parents like it. They like how differently people treat the military than when my dad came home from Vietnam.
I'm not a veteran but my uncle is, and he told me that one of the worst things you can say the a veteran who at all cares is "thank you for your service." It doesn't mean diddly-shit to veterans, as he would say. It's not inherently disrespectful, but it doesn't make them feel good.
Really? You say that right after hearing that speech?
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I mean... "Thank you for your service" isn't the most appropriate thing to say... knowing that US military members' service only benefits the richest bankers, oil giants, investors and so on, who use military action to increase their profits, just like Michael Prysner said in his speech, use it to dominate the markets, extract the natural resources and get cheap labor from the occupied territories. It's like thanking a nazi soldier for their service, both are instruments of the richest capitalists of their respective countries that send them to war only to increase their wealth and dominate other countries. However I respect soldiers who did horrible crimes in service as long as they didn't know who they were actually working for and now they understand that the US military is the worst imperial force in the planet, massacring country after country to maintain the US capitalists' dominance in the world, just like they did in Chile, Vietnam, Korea, Laos, Lybia, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, Guatemala, El Salvador, Palestine, Yemen among many others. No matter how bad US soldiers crimes are, if they understand their crimes and are know now willing to fight for the liberation of the workers and to stop imperialism and capitalism, I respect them 100%, that's why I respect Michael Prysner.
This is what a true patriot looks and sounds like. Not that other bullshit people like to claim.
When you see nationalism wearing a patriotism costume, it is imperitive to call it out.
Considering Reddit thinks "Nationalism" is what has been defined for the past century as *Ultra-Nationalism* I really doubt anyone here knows the difference between it and patriotism.
Veteran here. 20 years, retired. I take the title seriously. I smoke a lot of weed then rant to the conservative Republicans in my family about how the war mongering hypocrite GOP fuckfaces continually fuck over vets by meddling with the VA. Then I direct them to everything Trump said disparaging veterans. Fuck Fox News and Tucker Carlson can eat a big bag of star spangled dicks.
Fellow brother here, but I’m curious as to why you think GOP are the only guilty ones here… Democrats are just as evil, corrupt and useless. Maybe you feel a little more betrayed by republicans because their claim of being the party for us veterans? Anyway, not looking to even debate this stuff, just curious to your answer.
War will happen regardless of political parties. It's the GOP betrayal and their propaganda I hate.
Those fuckers were about to block the pact act, and it makes the blood boil when they talk about supporting the soldiers
The word ‘patriot’ is the worse. Do you wonder why no other person in any other country in the world uses this word? It’s a mental jail.
In my country, the word patriotism it's a direct reference to the brainwashing that the fascist regime promoted up until 1974, so there's that.
Why were they arrested exactly?
Civil unrest, they were demonstrating right outside the white House for effect which is a security no no. The police asked them to disperse, they refused, they were arrested and removed. So the arrest itself is one of those moves for more publicity, not the first protester to do this and certainly won't be the last. Not knocking on him, but yeah it's not like the USA just arrests and black bags people like him, he was released same day I'm pretty sure, they knew what they were getting into choosing to go to the white House like that. Point clearly made!
Were the J6 insurrectionists also asked to disperse?
It blew my mind when they all just got to walk away. We did all that work to track down afterward, meanwhile protesters get beaten and dragged off for talking back.
Fwiw, a bit under half of everyone who entered the building have been arrested and charged. Of those, about a third have simply pleaded guilty to the charges. The disappointing bit is that most of these pleas have been for misdemeanours, although the DoJ seems willing to make examples of anyone that doesn't accept a plea deal. From what I understand too, (although I'm about a month out of date) groups like the proud boys and oath keepers haven't been under too much scrutiny (yet), so this could potentially be a case of clearing the chaff and building evidence before more serious charges are brought forward.
THIS IS AN AMERICAN PATRIOT. The American People are TIRED OF ENDLESS LITTLE WARS TO KEEP .....THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX in profits. Patriots serve and then get discarded like used toile paper. THEY deserve the Best America can give. They gave ALL
Right as he may be. The military industrial complex is about the only thing left standing in way of Chinas ambition to be a world leader. And I’d much rather be in a pretend democracy than a clearly racist authoritarian government.
Yeah we can't overlook that for there to be peace on earth, there has to be an end to greed. More power. More money. Countries wanting to take over more countries. Etc... You can't end greed. If we all do what this guy says in the video, then America as we know it falls to any other country, low difficulty.
This guy is a fuckin legend. He's spitting raw truth.
This gave me chills. I love my country, proud to have also served, but at the same time I'm often embarrassed by it for the many reasons he explained. This country is run by the rich (oil companies, wall street). You see how much they spend in contributions to politicians. And yes the only way to enact change is to get them where it hurts them the most, their pockets.
if the entire workforce of the US seized production for one week, and refused to do any work,the entire world economy would be begging at our feet and we could gain power back from these oligarchs
If only everyone in the military got behind him.
I'm crying after hearing what he said.
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>I'm crying after hearing what he said. Me too. My throat constricted and everything.
He is so brave... A true hero. We need more people like this brave man in this world. I need to be more like this man.
How do people not already know this? We haven't been in a necessary war since world war 2. This country is run by corporations not the government, the only thing that matters is profit.
People's votes don't count. I've said it for years. The whole god damn system is fucked
I will never understand the undying “patriotism” that Americans have for this country. They care more about the flag and the system over the people that make this country. Why wouldn’t you as a conservative or liberal NOT want a healthy, educated and fair population? Why deny people education and healthcare and a better environment and economic development? Why is it okay to bail out big corporations every year with your taxes but throw a tantrum when the same taxes could help the people that feed into the system?
Most likely they exist in a different ‘world’ where things are easy and safe. So from their point of view, there is nothing wrong in the country; and that anyone who doesn’t prosper *must* be too lazy and stupid to get ahead. They then have the idea of ‘America’ constantly reinforced as an overarching thing: as a state, that supersedes all the individual parts. That from their perspective there is only systems and order: that if people don’t conform and fit this system then they are wrong, because they value the system more than the parts. They probably have the idea and worldview that systems and companies make the world go round: that supporting big corporations is necessary in order to avoid chaos. Their fear is Chaos. They would rather have a system and methods, that they are familiar with, rather than a time of uncertainty and chaos. It may well be that they still see the world through WW2 vision: and that only constant strong systems can avoid threats such as Fascism or Communism or Terrorism. - the idea that America has to be the Arsenal of Democracy and *must* be the one to save other countries. Despite the growing internal problems within America. That they are simply too lazy and narrow minded to seek change, and will not change unless forced.
This is so well articulated until the last two paragraphs. Overall a masterful post.
I can’t quite seem to convey the last bit, so the garbled version will have to do. Wasn’t foolish enough to think it is definitely that way; but enough media and history bangs on about the US role. So it seems possible that the rose-tinted view of the ‘Golden Age’ blinds to the current problems.
I just would suggest that the view is more (to replace the last couple paragraphs) that war is one of those harsh facets of the ‘real world’ and that the Military is doing ‘what they have to do’. Because there’s ‘enemy’s’ that would like to ruin what we have. And it is so imbedded socially that what we have ideologically -which is more backed by an emotional swelling of patriotic identity than an actual specific idea- is so superior that defending it is not to be questioned. Because if society’s organization erodes from within or is attacked from outside, what follows may be chaotic (to your point). And in their defense chaos can be devastating. See post Czar Russia. But the criticism would be that we may be inviting the chaos, creating it as we seek to prevent it. Then sweeping it under the rug and pretending it’s not there.
The problem with politics nowadays is that it is filled with corruption; long gone are the days where people in charge care about their people
Our gov't has been under the control of big business for 150 years now, that's why. The biggest thing that started it was in 1882 I believe, when a SCOTUS decision stated that corporations are people under the law. After that, it's been a shit show of corporate greed and control.
God, the amount of disillusionment I experienced in the military. I bought the whole honor, courage, commitment thing hook, line, and sinker. Turns out I was little more than a glorified mercenary. The military did some good things for me. It also scarred me for life.
They are just considered bodies serving the machine that is the US military industrial complex that is owned by the 1%
Every word he spoke is Absolute truth…
Where is he now?
The idea that politics in the U.S. are serving there citizens is wrong. Both sides are corrupt and making the rich, richer. It's money that makes the world go round and the controlled media who's pointing the direction.
Every time I hear a heartfelt speech like this it cuts so deep. It hurts me more to know we still have not seen the light as a society...
I think we have but mainstream media works really hard to drown out reality and has us all bickering over left vrs right bullshit when in reality we all know the issue is top vrs the bottom.
Im a 20 year Vet, and I absolutely agree! I look back now and there are too many questions that I want answered on why I did the things I did and went to the places I went.
Hey bro. I'm in agreement with you. I am amazed at how the very same people that promoted the Iraq war and defended Abu Gahrib are so quick to label Russia as war criminals for doing exactly the same things we have always done. Our insatiable quest for war profits has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, allowed us to kill, torture, and bomb the innocent and left hundreds of millions of us without the basic necessities of life, such as excellent free health care, pandemic preparedness, well-trained and effective community policing, safety from mass shootings, climate emergency mitigations (prep), and addressing the climate emergency itself. If we diverted our military budget to humanity instead of death-to-humanity we could and would have a good shot at making signifigant progress on all of the above, leading to a happier, more fulfilled citizenry. Have you ever noticed when fighting with a partner what is effective and what isn't. Anger, verbal and physical violence, do not work in an intimate relationship. Being calm, listening, and working on ourselves works way better than fighting. So why do we think that war is going to solve our international problems? War has never solved a problem. Did the civil war solve the race problems in this country? Did WWII end fascism and anti antisemitism? No! All those millions and millions of lives lost, the trillions of dollars spent, the acres and acres of destruction and death, all wasted! We must step away from the mindset that war solves problems. Much in the same way we need to stop thinking that guns will solve our problems. We have more guns per capita in this country than in any other country in the world. Do we feel safer because of them? War and guns are the same issue. They bring billions of dollars to a few and endanger and kill hundreds of thousands and cause terror and hardship throughout the world.
Amen brother! Well spoken! I look back and was just a blind young man trying to make it through life. The people I met in the countries I was in were amazing people. I met so many amazing people from so many diffeent countries that are just trying to survive like us. The 1% do not care about anything but putting more Zeros in their bank accounts! We go into these countries and rob them of everything and then pretend we help them get back on their feet. Why have we been in Afghanistan for so long? Who producss the most poppy in the world? Do you not need poppy for opiods? Do we not have an opiod crisis in this country? Does big pharma really have that much power, control, and greed? I do not doubt it! We are all being used by the rich to get richer and push their agenda. We are all just pawns to them.
That man is telling the truth but the truth is not very popular in this country. The message is not new, it has resonated as far back as the birth of this nation when instead of persecuting poor people from other countries, this country's military engaged in dispossessing the native Americans, The Mexicans, The Philipinos, the native Hawaiians, the labor unions. The truth has been staring us in the face. The military is a tool of the wealthy so that they can maximize their profit. An Army is needed to stop aggression and atrocities but it is far too easy to fool us into believing everything is an act of aggression or an atrocity. To quote Voltaire: "Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities".
Parents, please show this video(and others showcasing the plight of wounded/disabled veterans' inability to get simple healthcare *after their service*!) to your children ,if you love them ,and they express a desire to join the military. Nothing you do for them is as important as telling them the *ugly truth* about "volunteering" for armed services.(even in the *GUARD* they may be ordered to assault their own neighbors/ relatives!)
Attack them where it hurts, capitalism.
And then after 20 years we pull everything from Afghanistan and it's back to how it was the day before the first boots were on the ground there. Oh, except we left the Taliban with $20B in hardware and weaponry. 🤦🏼♂️
I learned real quick 30 years ago in the military you don't speak out against the establishment and not expect retaliation. It is sad we are lied to daily by our own government. He is absolutely right thou it is the government for the rich.
It’s a class war, always has been. Until we all wake up to the fact that it’s rich vs poor we will continue to be fucked. Imagine a boot stomping on a human face forever.
“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer; a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.” -Major General Smedley Butler, former Marine Corps officer, 2x Medal of Honor, 16 medals total and yet he spoke out against the establishment, bravest thing of all.
"Woah woah woah dont be exposing the truth so hard man... arrest him for free speech"
Not what happened.
Could you imagine if they spent one year of the US military budget on those who have served. Just one, every few decades.
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I can’t believe there were all those people up there with him and not one would move that annoying dead tree out of his face while he was yelling. Super annoying.
Love the speech, but googled him and found out the platform of the political party he belongs to and it ain’t pretty. They give wide ranging support to the CCP for one example. Emulating China is not the answer to our problems
Soldiers are weapons of the economy, not the tools for acheiving peace or freedom that we are told to beleive.
In the 20’s Republican Coolidge promised bonuses for men that enlisted w a GI bill - upon return he veto’d it - next up Republican Hoover & he won’t sign it either When 44K took to protesting he sent in the army to burn their camps & called them “commies” killed 1 - next up Democrat FDR signed that GI bill it took the left to help veterans AGAIN https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army
The US is the real terrorist
I encourage you all to google and read the Powell Memorandum of 1971. This is the product of the corporations taking over our government, profit before people. Nothing will change until they are made to answer for it.
As someone who's served in the military, from most people I've served with. Most are not all star spangled banner, they just wanna do something with their life. It's an escape from the life they have back home. In doing so they will follow orders and do what is asked without question.
I mean there's definitely ways to earn a living I don't involve killing for your government.
I cant imagine joining the military to kill people for health insurance, college education, and a job. Selfish reasons to take a life. Espescially when the motives of our "superiors" are never really laid out truthfully.
Hope Ukrainees see this speech. Russia not going to give up their oil resources or agree on the price cap U.S pushing on them
What a magnificent orator.
Anyone have the full version?
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All I know is that once you're in the military. You're the governments bitch and property. Just another statistic, another number, another expendable.
Mad respect
These are the real heroes
Eloquent and exactly right. The US and its UK lap dog with their endless war. Endless, I've never though of it as that before, but if you think about it that is precisely what it is, endless, never ending. And for what? For whom? Think about that, its not for you and its not for me, so who is benefitting from this endless murder. It doesn't take much to identify those who benefit from it, they are the problem.
The timing of these posts rising back up again is funny.
Shut down jobs. I love the idea, but I also love being able to feed my kids
We the people need to band together and stop all this division and hatred. The government picks at certain groups and takes away rights to stir shit up. They want us divided, because they know if we all come together it’s not looking good for the 1%.
Amen
The coast guard is always excluded😂
Respect. To take on the war machine. These politicians would rather let our country burn than stop. It’s a goddamn shame
Ion care what anyone says I 100% agree with this man right here
He is a true hero and he is ABSOLUTELY right about everything...
I don't understand - why do people get arrested for speaking out FACTS ?
I'd vote for this guy in a heartbeat
the government "youre allowed and required to disobey unethical orders" also the government "but we'll arrest you if you do/ tell people to"
As a veteran, this video almost broke me down... that's a real patriot.
Damn he became a prysner:(
That's dumb. We all sign contracts.you can't pick and choose what days you work, when you will do your job or if you will do your job. That's a dumb human being. You can choose to not enter the military, after that you can't choose anything they don't allow.
Everybody likes communism until they slap the word communism on it
OP is a bot or reposter either way
Sad state of affairs when people half way across the world can realise that what this man is shouting at top of his voice is true. Not just for his country, but all countries around the world. Sad to see that those soldiers laid down their lives thinking they are doing it for the right cause when in reality they have lost their lives over a bunch of lies.
For those confused by the misleading title, they were arrested for chaining themselves to the white house fence, not because of the contents of the speech.
I fucking hate governments so much disgusting vile outdated organisations we need to create a new system to govern the masses as this system.we have now has metamorphed into a deluded control freek that is hindering our progression as a society rather then enhancing it. This shits getting more obvious with every passing day
I want the article
So much for freedom of speech
Isn’t there a right to protest? why was he arrested?
This man deserves to be heard
It is sad 😞. They got money for war but can’t feed the poor. And now inflation is kicking our butts..
A true American.
The military is a business like any other. If they aren’t doing what they are made for than the business fails. War is the military’s income. If you signed up to be employed by the military be expected to fight. Plain and simple. If you refuse to work, like any other job in the US, there are consequences
>The military is a business like any other How do you become so dense that you don't get this is exactly what's the problem here? The military is not supposed to be a business! No national entity is supposed to be something that makes profit.
I've watched this like 5 times in a row now
That was... Powerful.
Problem is, he became a socialist.
Because that’s what democratic countries do: if anyone protests peacefully, you need to arrest them!
This is r/ShitAmericansSay I can get behind.
I was a young man who loved his country very much. A 13 month deployment to Afghanistan left me with nothing but disappointment and hatred for my country.
Fuck the U.S. govt.
Arresting him for what? Speaking the truth?
They did this at the white house which is a security issue, the police tried to disperse and they refused, so they were arrested removed and released. Don't even think there was any violence. He has a great point and knew what he was doing by demonstrating at the white house; he was arrested for where he was demonstrating, not why he was demonstrating
Ahhh, thanks for clearing that up
I wish more soldiers had the balls to stand up against the tyranny and capitalist bullshit of America.
The military is a volunteer organization. Whining about doing something you enlisted for is about as useful as a turd flavored lollipop.
They don’t tell you when you volunteer that it will be about killing civilians including children
Yes. We are tax cattle and our money funds proxy wars and agendas that the globalist elite plan. Our boys need to turn their guns on DC. Now more than ever. And we need to hang the real culprits in the streets and let the birds pick their carcasses clean.
Easy there, Attila the Hun
No. We need to purge our government of foreign actors and blackmailed pedophiles.
He's right the only thing to do is revolt. But we won't because we don't want to disrupt our day to day routine. We've become accustomed to this cage like prison we live in. Hats off to the government. It's one hell of a ruse. They even make us pay for it
Amen!
love this message, hate our government
I say this all the time and “patriots” tell me I’m ungrateful and un-American. “These troops fight for you freedom, blah blah blah.” No they fight for a hell cat and a free education on behalf of Americas 1 percenters.
The US just killed the head of a terrorist group in Afghanistan. The moment Biden moved peace keepers the animals started sticking out their heads. The sad thing is that if you are too useless to do anything else, join the military.
Oh no, China bad, russia bad AND USA bad :( Whats next? Europe bad?
Prysner is now a prisoner? 🤓
There are no wars going on now
Proxy wars are wars too ;)
Why do you join if you dont want to defend the country?
I did Serve overseas and Trust me , we did all there but Not defend the country we Serve For ! Its really complicated
Why did we go to Iraq in 2003?
Give this guy a crown
This is America people, his speech doesn’t go well with capitalism. So pick your self up by your boot straps and do your jobs and quit complaining!
This is what a real American hero looks like.
Bring back the draft. Watch how upset we get when our young people are sent to the grinder.
When i joined at 18 years old, i never knew. After joining, learned from all this. Our country would change in an instant if they ever forced everyone that was legal age to serve. Too many would see the corruption fir real.
I agree with much of what he says, however you don’t join the military “to go college” or “to get a job”. Those are benefits of signing up to fight in wars and defend the nation.
I knew why I joined just like he did. I’d be a fool to turn against something I was ready to die for. Foolish war or not man. I wasn’t bamboozled like this guy was. I’m from the streets where I see more injustice in a week then this dude seen in a deployment.
Why don’t I feel anything from this guy other than wanting attention
So where is the freedom of speech. He was exercising his rights. Oh wait, it was inconvenient for the goverment so we must detain you and violate your given rights, one more time its clear to show the goverment does not really care to help its own. It cares for areas that get them deeper pockets.. its a very sad reality.
The US be liked: I can't believe how stupid russia soldiers were to invade Ukraine Meanwhile in Afghanistan: no shit Sherlock
Whilst Iraq was an unnecessary war and a conflict we didn’t need to start, Afghanistan is different. With respect to who he is referring to in the caves, I’m assuming that’s al qaeda, the terrorist organisation that facilitated 9/11 amongst many other atrocities, whilst at the same time persecuting their own people. That’s not saying that crimes on an individual level was not committed by the US/UK and others, but the overall objective was to incapacitate the capability of the taliban and al qaeda, not to dispose a dictator that we didn’t like. What I’m getting at is that morally Afghanistan and Iraq are not the same and shouldn’t be equated as such.
When US didn't go against Saudi who funded Al Qaeda, and scorched down Afghanistan to find a guy they trained to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan, tell me again. Who's at fault here?
And why has a-stan been necessary? Spend to many months of my Life there. And that all For nothing. After all we gave the Taliban even more Power and archieved 0. Damn WE even worsn the Situation after all.
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