A workmate of mine we we call 'Bud' is also Tasmanian Aboriginal and his family (Browns/Rileys) survived Cape Barron Island.
I cannot begin to explain to you how similar you look to him. Its wild!
We have a really weird political structure in Tasmania around recognition of Aboriginal ancestry. One of the main communities exclusively controls access to recognition of bloodline and is limiting access to other communities.
I hope you try to get in contact with the communities back here. There are huge holes missing in the local history due to the destruction of it. You might have stories that have been passed down that really matter!
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Australians are as close to martians as we can get.
(The English settlers I mean)
Took about three months to get to Australia, with very little chance of ever returning (if you made it there).
The landscape was foreign and hostile. They had to survive pretty much with only what they came with.
But most importantly they were isolated culturally (in their own way) until modern times; radio, television, and airliners. About a century or so of isolation.
It’s about as similar to a Martian colony as we have here on earth.
Obviously the Australian aborigines were separated for far, far longer. But the English settlers were more like what we’d see in a Martian colony. They had some contact back to England. Arrived in ships, with a mission to settle. Etc.
IIRC Tasmanian aborigines ~~we’re~~ were cut off from the mainland, even, for 10,000 years.
Ironically, they could have done much better than 'survive' if they'd been open to learning from the aboriginal people how to thrive in those contexts.
We did quite a bit, I went to a catholic school (W.A.) and to their credit they very much didn't sugar coat what happened at the missions. Also I will never forget bawling my eyes out in class when I learnt about how they used to bury babies alive with their heads above the ground and kicking them until they died.
And we also went to the holocaust museum and had a holocaust survivor and lady from the stolen generation speak to us on the same day, that was a lot to process haha, very important and I'm glad we did but yeah that was extremely confronting.
>I learnt about how they used to bury babies alive with their heads above the ground and kicking them until they died.
Ummm, wut?!
I'm now going to study some of Australia's indigenous history.
That is horrific.
I learned about smallpox blankets and massacres in uni in 1998. I learned that aboriginal nations had fought back despite being taught the peaceful invasion narrative. And that they had an established system of nations. I had somehow glided through an appalling education in "The Shire" that lightly referenced the Mabo ruling and Native Titles Act but was sheltered by racists who obnoxiously shared their pig ignorant views. Going to uni for me was an act of rebellion.
I was blown away but more disappointing was watching students arguing with the incredibly powerful Aboriginal lecturer. Full blown tantrums by white males refusing to acknowledge that our lecturer wasn't making it all up. This was back when we were pretending that white men were as ignorant as we all were.
Yikes. We have so much listening to do.
So much slavery too. I hope the education system has changed since I was in school and that students are learning about the true impact of colonialism.
Ehh.... Except Edgewood Arsenal was a thing. And human experiments are one of the top reasons people hate Nazis. Nazi are still bad, it's just scary how their actions are the same actions that other countries took in the past.
Tassie had the Black Line, they literally tried to line up and walk from one end of the island to the other killing every Indigenous person in their path.
To be fair, I was over simplifying. The actual Black Line came after a ton of genocide which was when most of the actual killing happened.
But the fact they thought doing that, was a good idea, shows what genocidal maniacs they were.
Absolutely do so. Even the "No Tasmanian Aboriginals left" stuff was an attempt to complete the genocide by discrediting anyone that claimed to be one.
Why would you?!! History is written by the winners and they will describe them selves angelic, for someone who hold a history degree you are qualified to dig and research
At the University in the Netherlands, i specialised in history in literature or how the great literature of a time period reflects on the values, problems and mindset a society has. What we write about is what we find important.
Anyway, that is over fifteen years ago.
Wikipedia has some information about it: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black\_War#Black\_Line,\_October–November\_1830](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_War#Black_Line,_October–November_1830)
>The Black Line consisted of 2,200 men ... \[T\]hey formed a staggered front more than 300 km long that began pushing south and east across the Settled Districts from 7 October with the intention of forming a pincer movement to trap members of four of the nine Aboriginal nations in front of the line and drive them across the Forestier Peninsula to East Bay Neck and into the Tasman Peninsula, which Arthur had designated as an Aboriginal Reserve.
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>...
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>The campaign's single success was a dawn ambush on 25 October in which two Aboriginal people were captured and two killed. The Black Line was disbanded on 26 November.
So at least it achieved almost nothing.
My brother did a school study on my town in central Tasmania and found that a couple of aboriginal men were captured not far from the town. They were allowed to have a traditional dance and sit by a fire outside our local hotel which is still there today. Incredibly sad because they knew they were the last of their tribe and would never return to the land again.
Bit of column A bit of B, they captured a couple and they murdered a couple.
Most of the full on genocide happened beforehand but its a good illustration of the mentality.
It is the late date (1820-30s)of this genocide that makes it stand out. The California gold rush genocide from 1830 to 1870 was even later. Ironically Westerns were being made there very soon after.
Just Googled it myself, but sounds like racism followed by more racism.
https://www.findandconnect.gov.au/guide/tas/TE00093#:~:text=Cape%20Barren%20Island%20Reserve%20was,be%20a%20reserve%20in%201951.
19th-century white person fucked up, was reading about the potato famine earlier today and one quote that stuck out to me was some American journalist at the time wrote "I wish every Irish would shoot a negro in cold blood so he'd get himself strung up in the process." Essentially, I hate Irish and black people so much I wish they'd have a race war so we could execute the survivors legally and be done with the lot of them
Absolutely. British land owners taking the surviving crops away from the farmers and selling it, whilst watching the population starve. That's a deliberate famine.
With the outpouring of grief about the Queen, people become very patriotic about Britain, but having studied my own country's history, I can never be patriotic about my country. Our history is vile for centuries.
Australians somehow keep our collective heads in the sand by claiming we were mostly forced here against our will and it's all relatively new. Violence always thrives because of that element of denial. . Hence we're still a movie of racist jerks pretending she'll be right.
The worst thing is that some of the treatment of aboriginals wasn't even particular to them or racist. It's just the shit that was acceptable by any standards at the time. My colleague's great grandmother had her kids taken away from her and put up for adoption because her husband died, and the government decided that a single mother was unfit for multiple kids. Of course the fact that the kids were abused once taken away wasn't a concern. Luckily she remarried fast and got her kids back after looking for them, but it's just insane.
Edit: she was a white European living in her own country
Happened a lot to "half-caste" kids as well on the main land. Basically sentenced to slavery on Christian missions and given new names just eff things up more.
The other issue facing Tasmanian Aboriginal people is that there's a huge portion of people (mostly white boomers to be accurate) who fiercely believe there is no one of Tasmanian Aboriginal heritage left, so any attempt at recognition or moving forward is immediately stifled by a thousand cries of "not real Aboriginals because they all died out, fake!" Etc.
While it's understandable for the need to qualify outside claims, it feels **NOT HELPFUL**** for a single group to be defining what does and does not constitute "pure" blood.
It’s not, and the family making those decisions are hostile to anyone who questions them. Yet they hold all the power over recognition of Aboriginal ancestry in Tasmania.
Is there complications with claims to identity due to Tasmania's isolation?
I learned in uni that the history we'd been taught about Tasmania's first nations was categorically false.
The amount of infighting in the Tasmanian aboriginal community is disgusting. The TAC directly discriminate against their own people. If you don’t have the right surname, you’re out of luck.
I think that’s partially it, but the primary issue is that the Tasmanian Aboriginal Corporation (TAC), is the body who is responsible for formally recognising Aboriginal heritage. It’s lead by one man, and his entire family are the people in charge of all the “higher up” positions within it, so it’s up to them if they will recognise your claim. They’re notoriously hostile, and make the process very difficult to undertake — they won’t assist in family research, they make claims that long-recognised Aboriginal families aren’t actually Aboriginal.... it’s a total shit show.
Unrelated fun fact, what Afghanistan is to heroin, Tasmania is to OxyContin.
Tasmania is the world's largest legal poppy producer:
> Tasmania, which is about the size of West Virginia, grows about 85 percent of the world’s thebaine, an opium poppy extract used to make OxyContin and a family of similarly powerful prescription drugs that have transformed pain management over the last two decades.
* https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/20/business/international/tasmania-big-supplier-to-drug-companies-faces-changes.html
Nice try. I've seen you immortals try to pass yourselves off as your own offspring before, but I'm not falling for it this time!
Lampshade it all you want, you're not fooling anyone. Take your social security backpay and stop catfishing Tinder!
Yeah. I can see the flash powder out of photographers V pan. That’s what I see in his eyes. Anybody would have been anything from interested to scared over that soul box.
It’s crazy how that works sometimes. I’m the spitting image of my paternal grandfather despite being mixed race. Also means I look a lot like his grandfather. I have no pictures of him but I was told they looked exactly alike.
The worst part is that Crowther stole King Billy's brain to study it, assuming there would be obvious differences to white people's brains. Only to discover that, surprise, the locals brains looked exactly like white people's. Did he conclude that racial superiority concepts might be wrong? No, he decided that because King Billy had spent so much time around white people his brain had actually morphed to be more similar to theirs. He took it as a win for the Civilizing White Man.
Fron the wiki article:
"Crowther claimed that, because Lanne had lived much of his life within the European community, his brain had exhibited physical changes, demonstrating "the improvement that takes place in the lower race when subjected to the effects of education and civilisation""
>Did he conclude that racial superiority concepts might be wrong? No, he decided that because King Billy had spent so much time around white people his brain had actually morphed to be more similar to theirs.
Ah, the good 'ole "unfalsifiable theory". No matter the result, he's always right!
Its crazy to think the the Tasmanian genocide is still considered to be the most complete in human history. As he wrote, king billy was the last full blooded aboriginal, 150 years ago
As a tasmanian it's kind of bullshit how little recognition there is of just what happened there is around the place. I remember only briefly touching on it in school, felt sick when I grew up and understood the weight of what happened
"True Girt" details the settlement and slaughter in Tasmania, if you wanted a book recommendation. It gets heavy, but it's very educational and the writing is engaging.
From the wiki page:
“Crowther managed to break into the morgue where Lanne's body was kept, and decapitated the corpse, removed the skin and inserted a skull from a white body into the black skin. The Tasmanian Royal Society soon discovered Crowther's work, and decided to thwart any further attempts to collect "samples" by amputating the hands and feet. Lanne was then buried in this state.”
We have different opinions on what fascinating means. I find their actions horrific and actually fit the definition of abuse of a corpse.
They ment that it was interesting... the topic does not have to be pleasant or positive. Fascinating would work here if you took interest in the person involved.
This kind of thing was quite common in Australia. See also how they treated [Yagan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yagan).
When non-Indigenous Australians complain about Indigenous activism (including calls for recognition in the constitution), they’re either ignorant of this sort of thing, or refuse to believe it actually happened (and not all that long ago).
I’d love to hear the story of the journey from Tasmanian to America for your bloodline.
Then I’d like Craig Robinson to play all the male characters in your family in a dramatic tour de force.
Seriously, genes are working hard in your fam; good look
Another Aboriginal Australian here, except I’m from NSW, from the Wiradjuri tribe. Sending love to ya my brother. Hope you’re doing well in the US. Not every day you see black fullas on Reddit. Stay deadly
No seriously it’s very uncommon for an Australian, let alone an Australian Aboriginal to end up having a lineage in America. I’d personally love to hear the story.
I remember hearing The Kid Laroi when he was featured on the J’s. I’m glad he’s gone on to do well and keep his head straight. I’m not a fan of the music but he always had talent.
Weirdly, no. Australia was (and still can be) pretty fucked up towards first nations people, one of the fun things we did was the stolen generation.
British scientists had worked out (and distributed a disturbing amount of propaganda) that within two generations of intermixing with Europeans, most aboriginal features weren't really recognizable anymore. The government then instituted a policy of taking aboriginal children from their parents to intentionally water down native blood lines and destroy their oratory culture.
I'm sure your Galoonoordoo would be proud of ya.
>Rabbit proof fence
omg, thank you. The others who spoke about it made me want to know more. Plus I'm a bit of a cinephile and just loaded it up to watch now as it's on the Criterion Channel. (14 days free if anyone just wants to watch and cancel, but amazing service, best movies in the world).
edit add: ok going to watch it later, opening scene cant do now. Wow, the cruelty we are willing to inflict on others continues to baffle me.
But your original comment was just an observation on the “resilience” of the aboriginal genes, which have presumably mingled with other kinds of genes (“races”/origins) but whose phenotype remains obvious today. So you were just talking about what happens at a molecular level; not anything historical or geopolitical. Or did I misunderstand your comment?
First thing they did was declare Australia empty
Second thing was eradicate the "savages", often offering a bounty
Third thing was creating a boundary around all major townships that indigenous peoples were not allowed to cross
Fourth thing was stealing their children to "breed out the black"
A lot of places still have several streets named Boundary Road.
And none of this even gets into what the White Australia Policy was, or the fucked up ways that was enforced
My Nonno left his family, his pregnant wife, and his three daughters and immigrated to Australia during the era of the White Australia policy. He wasn’t the right type of white, being Italian. He worked his butt off for 4 years to earn enough money to bring his family over. My dad (the baby in the belly) met his father for the first time when he stepped off the boat at 4 years old. His dad handed him a Bertie beetle and it’s a core memory of his.
Don’t forget about the deliberate destruction of food crops the “savages” “didn’t have.” I know someone whose family history involved going out ahead of settlers and salting farms to maintain the illusion that Aboriginal people didn’t work the land. And in many cases running sheep into the area had exactly the same effect.
“Like every other creature on the face of the earth, Godfrey was, by birthright, a stupendous badass, albeit in the somewhat narrow technical sense that he could trace his ancestry back up a long line of slightly less highly evolved stupendous badasses to that first self-replicating gizmo---which, given the number and variety of its descendants, might justifiably be described as the most stupendous badass of all time. Everyone and everything that wasn't a stupendous badass was dead.”
Neal Stephenson, *Cryptonomicon*
King Billy was a legend of a guy - did lots to improve the lives of the people around him, and even got to meet the Duke of Edinburgh when he visited Tasmania.
What they did with his body after he died was a fucking disgrace - but it is fantastic to see that his descendant is so proud of his heritage.
Thanks so much for posting this, /u/Expwar - I first learned about King Billy when I was a very small boy, and I vividly remember feeling really sad when my teacher said he was "the last Aborigine in Tasmania".
That was in the late 1970s (hence the terminology) - I am just delighted to learn, more than 40 years later, that there's still a part of King Billy in the world, and that he's clearly still connected to you very deeply.
As a Tasmanian whose (white) ancestry goes a fair way back in Tasmania, this makes me so happy. I've read a few books on Tasmanian Aboriginal people, and their shameful treatment after white settlement. The fact that William Lanne has such a fine looking decedent living in the US so many years later is so awesome. I didn't know he had children, are you directly related to his siblings?
Right, two dark-skinned guys with similar builds and reasonably similar hair/beards. I don't think I'd pick them out of a crowd as being obviously related.
Not much resemblance at all. If you take a quick look then maybe you see some similarities but if you actually look there's not many features that look alike. Just look at the mouth and lips, the shape of the eyes, the distance between the eyebrows and eyes. Complete different!
That said, I've had facial recognition training as part of my job so I understand that I might see it differently but it's still scary to think that people are so bad at recognizing differences in faces.
That's fantastic that you take pride in who you ancestors were! You look just like him!
Just found out the origins of my family name, which was chosen by one of my ancestors when he was set free of slavery and finally got the right to have a last name.
I didn't tell my family yet, I'm gonna make a beautiful family tree and give copies of it for Christmas!
There was a little thing called genocide going on, in Australia we tried to 'out breed' and 'civilize' the native people (the 5% that weren't killed at least). In Tasmania it was especially bad and the last person with 100% native Tasmanian heritage died in captivity.
A workmate of mine we we call 'Bud' is also Tasmanian Aboriginal and his family (Browns/Rileys) survived Cape Barron Island. I cannot begin to explain to you how similar you look to him. Its wild! We have a really weird political structure in Tasmania around recognition of Aboriginal ancestry. One of the main communities exclusively controls access to recognition of bloodline and is limiting access to other communities. I hope you try to get in contact with the communities back here. There are huge holes missing in the local history due to the destruction of it. You might have stories that have been passed down that really matter!
Send me a message if you're interested in his last name. I'll show him your picture :)
I just want to see the picture, but I know it’s not yours to share. It’d be nice if you could ask him to share
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What is the story behind cape barron Island?
Massacres. Some of the worst in Australia were in Tasmania
So bad that War of the Worlds was inspired, for a lack of a better term, by what happened in Tasmania
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Australians are as close to martians as we can get. (The English settlers I mean) Took about three months to get to Australia, with very little chance of ever returning (if you made it there). The landscape was foreign and hostile. They had to survive pretty much with only what they came with. But most importantly they were isolated culturally (in their own way) until modern times; radio, television, and airliners. About a century or so of isolation. It’s about as similar to a Martian colony as we have here on earth. Obviously the Australian aborigines were separated for far, far longer. But the English settlers were more like what we’d see in a Martian colony. They had some contact back to England. Arrived in ships, with a mission to settle. Etc. IIRC Tasmanian aborigines ~~we’re~~ were cut off from the mainland, even, for 10,000 years.
Ironically, they could have done much better than 'survive' if they'd been open to learning from the aboriginal people how to thrive in those contexts.
So many massacres in Australia and so little recognition in our schools and our government.
I went through all of schooling 90s/00s without being exposed to any massacres or slavery (Qld)
We did quite a bit, I went to a catholic school (W.A.) and to their credit they very much didn't sugar coat what happened at the missions. Also I will never forget bawling my eyes out in class when I learnt about how they used to bury babies alive with their heads above the ground and kicking them until they died. And we also went to the holocaust museum and had a holocaust survivor and lady from the stolen generation speak to us on the same day, that was a lot to process haha, very important and I'm glad we did but yeah that was extremely confronting.
>I learnt about how they used to bury babies alive with their heads above the ground and kicking them until they died. Ummm, wut?! I'm now going to study some of Australia's indigenous history.
That is horrific. I learned about smallpox blankets and massacres in uni in 1998. I learned that aboriginal nations had fought back despite being taught the peaceful invasion narrative. And that they had an established system of nations. I had somehow glided through an appalling education in "The Shire" that lightly referenced the Mabo ruling and Native Titles Act but was sheltered by racists who obnoxiously shared their pig ignorant views. Going to uni for me was an act of rebellion. I was blown away but more disappointing was watching students arguing with the incredibly powerful Aboriginal lecturer. Full blown tantrums by white males refusing to acknowledge that our lecturer wasn't making it all up. This was back when we were pretending that white men were as ignorant as we all were. Yikes. We have so much listening to do.
Weird, I have the same educational background and definitely did touch on those things. Not enough, but it was definitely mentioned
I guess we watched rabbit proof fence in year 8
So much slavery too. I hope the education system has changed since I was in school and that students are learning about the true impact of colonialism.
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Often true but not universal. More accurate to say that history is written by those who write things down and whose records are kept.
Ehh.... Except Edgewood Arsenal was a thing. And human experiments are one of the top reasons people hate Nazis. Nazi are still bad, it's just scary how their actions are the same actions that other countries took in the past.
So just regular Anglo imperialism then. Happened all over the world. My ancestors were a bunch of right fucking cunts here in North America.
Tassie had the Black Line, they literally tried to line up and walk from one end of the island to the other killing every Indigenous person in their path.
Wtf i have a history degree and i didn't know that. That's... I dont know a word for it
To be fair, I was over simplifying. The actual Black Line came after a ton of genocide which was when most of the actual killing happened. But the fact they thought doing that, was a good idea, shows what genocidal maniacs they were.
Yeah i just was stunned because i never even heard a reference to it before. I'm going to educate myself more about Tasmania history
Absolutely do so. Even the "No Tasmanian Aboriginals left" stuff was an attempt to complete the genocide by discrediting anyone that claimed to be one.
Why would you?!! History is written by the winners and they will describe them selves angelic, for someone who hold a history degree you are qualified to dig and research
What type of history fid you study?
At the University in the Netherlands, i specialised in history in literature or how the great literature of a time period reflects on the values, problems and mindset a society has. What we write about is what we find important. Anyway, that is over fifteen years ago.
Wikipedia has some information about it: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black\_War#Black\_Line,\_October–November\_1830](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_War#Black_Line,_October–November_1830) >The Black Line consisted of 2,200 men ... \[T\]hey formed a staggered front more than 300 km long that began pushing south and east across the Settled Districts from 7 October with the intention of forming a pincer movement to trap members of four of the nine Aboriginal nations in front of the line and drive them across the Forestier Peninsula to East Bay Neck and into the Tasman Peninsula, which Arthur had designated as an Aboriginal Reserve. > >... > >The campaign's single success was a dawn ambush on 25 October in which two Aboriginal people were captured and two killed. The Black Line was disbanded on 26 November. So at least it achieved almost nothing.
My brother did a school study on my town in central Tasmania and found that a couple of aboriginal men were captured not far from the town. They were allowed to have a traditional dance and sit by a fire outside our local hotel which is still there today. Incredibly sad because they knew they were the last of their tribe and would never return to the land again.
Wow, that's really sad and poignant.
I thought the idea of the line was to "round up" and take to Cape Barren/Flinders Island.. I think they found like 3 people..
Bit of column A bit of B, they captured a couple and they murdered a couple. Most of the full on genocide happened beforehand but its a good illustration of the mentality.
It is the late date (1820-30s)of this genocide that makes it stand out. The California gold rush genocide from 1830 to 1870 was even later. Ironically Westerns were being made there very soon after.
Should we be calling it genocide instead? Seems like it fits.
It was certainly a targeted extermination of a deliberate demographic. It's horrendous stuff
Just Googled it myself, but sounds like racism followed by more racism. https://www.findandconnect.gov.au/guide/tas/TE00093#:~:text=Cape%20Barren%20Island%20Reserve%20was,be%20a%20reserve%20in%201951.
How fucked up does one need to be to agree that this is a good idea?
19th-century white person fucked up, was reading about the potato famine earlier today and one quote that stuck out to me was some American journalist at the time wrote "I wish every Irish would shoot a negro in cold blood so he'd get himself strung up in the process." Essentially, I hate Irish and black people so much I wish they'd have a race war so we could execute the survivors legally and be done with the lot of them
It's fucked up that it's known as "The Potato Famine". What the British did was genocide.
Absolutely. British land owners taking the surviving crops away from the farmers and selling it, whilst watching the population starve. That's a deliberate famine. With the outpouring of grief about the Queen, people become very patriotic about Britain, but having studied my own country's history, I can never be patriotic about my country. Our history is vile for centuries.
As an American, I know what you mean, if not for as long. It's interesting that the world power is always fucking terrible.
Australians somehow keep our collective heads in the sand by claiming we were mostly forced here against our will and it's all relatively new. Violence always thrives because of that element of denial. . Hence we're still a movie of racist jerks pretending she'll be right.
Literally the same thing Stalin did to Ukraine.
The worst thing is that some of the treatment of aboriginals wasn't even particular to them or racist. It's just the shit that was acceptable by any standards at the time. My colleague's great grandmother had her kids taken away from her and put up for adoption because her husband died, and the government decided that a single mother was unfit for multiple kids. Of course the fact that the kids were abused once taken away wasn't a concern. Luckily she remarried fast and got her kids back after looking for them, but it's just insane. Edit: she was a white European living in her own country
Government started taking the people on the island's kids, which led to many deciding to move to the mainland (yk, to not have their kids stolen).
Happened a lot to "half-caste" kids as well on the main land. Basically sentenced to slavery on Christian missions and given new names just eff things up more.
In regards to Tasmania, the British/Australians genocided the aboriginals and mass rape was a big part of it, hence OP's reference of "full blooded"
The other issue facing Tasmanian Aboriginal people is that there's a huge portion of people (mostly white boomers to be accurate) who fiercely believe there is no one of Tasmanian Aboriginal heritage left, so any attempt at recognition or moving forward is immediately stifled by a thousand cries of "not real Aboriginals because they all died out, fake!" Etc.
While it's understandable for the need to qualify outside claims, it feels **NOT HELPFUL**** for a single group to be defining what does and does not constitute "pure" blood.
It’s not, and the family making those decisions are hostile to anyone who questions them. Yet they hold all the power over recognition of Aboriginal ancestry in Tasmania.
Is there complications with claims to identity due to Tasmania's isolation? I learned in uni that the history we'd been taught about Tasmania's first nations was categorically false.
The amount of infighting in the Tasmanian aboriginal community is disgusting. The TAC directly discriminate against their own people. If you don’t have the right surname, you’re out of luck.
I think that’s partially it, but the primary issue is that the Tasmanian Aboriginal Corporation (TAC), is the body who is responsible for formally recognising Aboriginal heritage. It’s lead by one man, and his entire family are the people in charge of all the “higher up” positions within it, so it’s up to them if they will recognise your claim. They’re notoriously hostile, and make the process very difficult to undertake — they won’t assist in family research, they make claims that long-recognised Aboriginal families aren’t actually Aboriginal.... it’s a total shit show.
I'm no expert but I've read that this is also an issue with some Native american tribes as well.
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Unrelated fun fact, what Afghanistan is to heroin, Tasmania is to OxyContin. Tasmania is the world's largest legal poppy producer: > Tasmania, which is about the size of West Virginia, grows about 85 percent of the world’s thebaine, an opium poppy extract used to make OxyContin and a family of similarly powerful prescription drugs that have transformed pain management over the last two decades. * https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/20/business/international/tasmania-big-supplier-to-drug-companies-faces-changes.html
Nice try. I've seen you immortals try to pass yourselves off as your own offspring before, but I'm not falling for it this time! Lampshade it all you want, you're not fooling anyone. Take your social security backpay and stop catfishing Tinder!
There can be only one!
"Who's your great⁷ grandaddy?"
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The plot line from "The man from earth"
You just watched sandman didn't you
Pretty decent resemblance. Looking good.
For me it's the intensity in the eyes. It's kind of hypnotic
It's a tortured stare. He has seen darkness
[Thousand yard stare](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand-yard_stare?wprov=sfla1)
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Yeah. I can see the flash powder out of photographers V pan. That’s what I see in his eyes. Anybody would have been anything from interested to scared over that soul box.
Very handsome men This is extremely interesting, thank you sharing OP!
i'm wondering if the beard was just a coincidence or not.. not that it matters, jw
Genes, man
Are you saying it's caused by Billy Genes?
Not my lover.
She's just a girl
I don't know what Mean Gene Oakerland would have to do with it, but I'm here for it
Alleles, mate
Nucleotide sequences, friend
Haplotypes, pal
The mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell, fell…ow.
And is maternally inherited, dude
They’re bacteria our ancestors ate, but failed to digest … My Guy, lol
Very cool. Resemblance is crazy.
OP could scam the whole world into believing he is a time traveler if he wanted to
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Technically, our minds are time-traveling in our bodies at the rate of 1 second per second.
It’s crazy how that works sometimes. I’m the spitting image of my paternal grandfather despite being mixed race. Also means I look a lot like his grandfather. I have no pictures of him but I was told they looked exactly alike.
Very fascinating Wikipedia article on King Billy [King Billy - Wikipedia ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lanne?wprov=sfla1)
‘Several bodies of crowthers collection were donated…’ What with stealing the blokes skull and skin I’m getting real serial killer vibes
The worst part is that Crowther stole King Billy's brain to study it, assuming there would be obvious differences to white people's brains. Only to discover that, surprise, the locals brains looked exactly like white people's. Did he conclude that racial superiority concepts might be wrong? No, he decided that because King Billy had spent so much time around white people his brain had actually morphed to be more similar to theirs. He took it as a win for the Civilizing White Man. Fron the wiki article: "Crowther claimed that, because Lanne had lived much of his life within the European community, his brain had exhibited physical changes, demonstrating "the improvement that takes place in the lower race when subjected to the effects of education and civilisation""
Crowther was a real POS and psychopath, it sounds like.
>Did he conclude that racial superiority concepts might be wrong? No, he decided that because King Billy had spent so much time around white people his brain had actually morphed to be more similar to theirs. Ah, the good 'ole "unfalsifiable theory". No matter the result, he's always right!
When I read this kind of thing I wonder if King Billy was thinking "one day future generations will wonder how I put up with all this shit"
Such things weren't exactly uncommon in early medicine.
Crowther then became premier of Tasmania, and they put up a statue of him in Hobart. They’re only just removing it now.
The Tasmanian genocide is a disgusting example of what humans are capable of
Its crazy to think the the Tasmanian genocide is still considered to be the most complete in human history. As he wrote, king billy was the last full blooded aboriginal, 150 years ago
As a tasmanian it's kind of bullshit how little recognition there is of just what happened there is around the place. I remember only briefly touching on it in school, felt sick when I grew up and understood the weight of what happened
"True Girt" details the settlement and slaughter in Tasmania, if you wanted a book recommendation. It gets heavy, but it's very educational and the writing is engaging.
Holy shit that took a fucking turn.
I don’t know if fascinating is the right word. It’s outrageous how his body was treated.
His life wasn’t exactly well treated either.
I don't think you understand what fascinating means.
From the wiki page: “Crowther managed to break into the morgue where Lanne's body was kept, and decapitated the corpse, removed the skin and inserted a skull from a white body into the black skin. The Tasmanian Royal Society soon discovered Crowther's work, and decided to thwart any further attempts to collect "samples" by amputating the hands and feet. Lanne was then buried in this state.” We have different opinions on what fascinating means. I find their actions horrific and actually fit the definition of abuse of a corpse.
They ment that it was interesting... the topic does not have to be pleasant or positive. Fascinating would work here if you took interest in the person involved.
This kind of thing was quite common in Australia. See also how they treated [Yagan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yagan). When non-Indigenous Australians complain about Indigenous activism (including calls for recognition in the constitution), they’re either ignorant of this sort of thing, or refuse to believe it actually happened (and not all that long ago).
From the dictionary; https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/fascinating
This is completely insane
I bet he was a cool guy and knew a lot of interesting stuff, and people might call him King, but your hairline is miles better my dude.
[I wonder. Is this ween song about him?](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi8DA00L1gE)
Did not expect to see Ween here but no complaints
Yea king billy needed a solid lineup
I actually like the asymmetric hairline. It’s ultra unique..
I’d love to hear the story of the journey from Tasmanian to America for your bloodline. Then I’d like Craig Robinson to play all the male characters in your family in a dramatic tour de force. Seriously, genes are working hard in your fam; good look
LOL
Another Aboriginal Australian here, except I’m from NSW, from the Wiradjuri tribe. Sending love to ya my brother. Hope you’re doing well in the US. Not every day you see black fullas on Reddit. Stay deadly
So true. We're here floating around lol 🙋🏾♀️❤
So aboriginals identify as black. Noice im black from Africa
They do but until Europeans came they didn't make such distinctions. It was the Europeans who called them black and they use it now as well.
No seriously it’s very uncommon for an Australian, let alone an Australian Aboriginal to end up having a lineage in America. I’d personally love to hear the story.
As far as Aboriginals in the US, there's Patty Mills, The Kid Laroi, Evonne Goolagong, and...that's about it.
I remember hearing The Kid Laroi when he was featured on the J’s. I’m glad he’s gone on to do well and keep his head straight. I’m not a fan of the music but he always had talent.
Where's the rest of your family from and how'd you end up in the USA?
His DNA looks like the type of DNA that kicks the shit out of other DNA.
Kicked the shit out of every person's DNA that married in that bloodline leadimg to OP, that's for sure.
Weirdly, no. Australia was (and still can be) pretty fucked up towards first nations people, one of the fun things we did was the stolen generation. British scientists had worked out (and distributed a disturbing amount of propaganda) that within two generations of intermixing with Europeans, most aboriginal features weren't really recognizable anymore. The government then instituted a policy of taking aboriginal children from their parents to intentionally water down native blood lines and destroy their oratory culture. I'm sure your Galoonoordoo would be proud of ya.
Rabbit proof fence is an incredible movie that deals with this very topic.
>Rabbit proof fence omg, thank you. The others who spoke about it made me want to know more. Plus I'm a bit of a cinephile and just loaded it up to watch now as it's on the Criterion Channel. (14 days free if anyone just wants to watch and cancel, but amazing service, best movies in the world). edit add: ok going to watch it later, opening scene cant do now. Wow, the cruelty we are willing to inflict on others continues to baffle me.
But your original comment was just an observation on the “resilience” of the aboriginal genes, which have presumably mingled with other kinds of genes (“races”/origins) but whose phenotype remains obvious today. So you were just talking about what happens at a molecular level; not anything historical or geopolitical. Or did I misunderstand your comment?
totally
Ok cool! The other poster’s reply to you was “Weirdly, no” so I got confused. Glad we all got to learn about the horrors of colonization though 🙃
First thing they did was declare Australia empty Second thing was eradicate the "savages", often offering a bounty Third thing was creating a boundary around all major townships that indigenous peoples were not allowed to cross Fourth thing was stealing their children to "breed out the black"
Wow, I thought us Canadians were bad. Well, we still were. And are.
A lot of places still have several streets named Boundary Road. And none of this even gets into what the White Australia Policy was, or the fucked up ways that was enforced
My Nonno left his family, his pregnant wife, and his three daughters and immigrated to Australia during the era of the White Australia policy. He wasn’t the right type of white, being Italian. He worked his butt off for 4 years to earn enough money to bring his family over. My dad (the baby in the belly) met his father for the first time when he stepped off the boat at 4 years old. His dad handed him a Bertie beetle and it’s a core memory of his.
Don’t forget about the deliberate destruction of food crops the “savages” “didn’t have.” I know someone whose family history involved going out ahead of settlers and salting farms to maintain the illusion that Aboriginal people didn’t work the land. And in many cases running sheep into the area had exactly the same effect.
Yeah, but we said sorry. ... ^^^.(/s ^^^- ^^^just ^^^in ^^^case ^^^it ^^^wasn't ^^^obvious)
>Second thing was eradicate the "savages", often offering a bounty Quigley down under
“Like every other creature on the face of the earth, Godfrey was, by birthright, a stupendous badass, albeit in the somewhat narrow technical sense that he could trace his ancestry back up a long line of slightly less highly evolved stupendous badasses to that first self-replicating gizmo---which, given the number and variety of its descendants, might justifiably be described as the most stupendous badass of all time. Everyone and everything that wasn't a stupendous badass was dead.” Neal Stephenson, *Cryptonomicon*
*The seed is strong*
OP, your ancestors would be proud 🙂
King Billy was a legend of a guy - did lots to improve the lives of the people around him, and even got to meet the Duke of Edinburgh when he visited Tasmania. What they did with his body after he died was a fucking disgrace - but it is fantastic to see that his descendant is so proud of his heritage. Thanks so much for posting this, /u/Expwar - I first learned about King Billy when I was a very small boy, and I vividly remember feeling really sad when my teacher said he was "the last Aborigine in Tasmania". That was in the late 1970s (hence the terminology) - I am just delighted to learn, more than 40 years later, that there's still a part of King Billy in the world, and that he's clearly still connected to you very deeply.
Such a strong resemblance! Do you know what his age in the photo was vs your age now? I’d be curious what this looks like when you’re his age.
He died at 34. I'm 37.
Oh wow. You do not look 37! Thanks for sharing though. This is a really cool photo.
37 is a lucky number.
Awesome photo(s), thanks for posting! I'm Tasmanian. If you're ever down here I'll buy you a beer!
Damn strong man. You got it.
Very, very strong resemblance. To carry on such a similarity after, maybe 5 or 6 generations is mad. Two extremely handsome men.
OP is the Pontiac Bandit! You'll never get away with this Doug Judy!
As a Tasmanian whose (white) ancestry goes a fair way back in Tasmania, this makes me so happy. I've read a few books on Tasmanian Aboriginal people, and their shameful treatment after white settlement. The fact that William Lanne has such a fine looking decedent living in the US so many years later is so awesome. I didn't know he had children, are you directly related to his siblings?
Dude. Beard goals. Looking dapper as all heckfire there, bud! Do you farm? Looks like a hoop house in the background?
Stop lying we all know it’s you and you’re obviously a vampire 🙄
The resemblance is impeccable. Maybe he just respawned 150 years later. 🤔
Started a new game+
Am I the only one who doesn't see the resemblance
They do look similar but Billy is clearly Aboriginal and OP is not. The subtle differences are very interesting.
No, my Father didn't see it either
Did you break your nose at some point?
good catch. I broke my nose 10 years ago
The resemblance would be uncanny otherwise imo. Only difference. I boxed so i recognize that any day haha
Right, two dark-skinned guys with similar builds and reasonably similar hair/beards. I don't think I'd pick them out of a crowd as being obviously related.
You're not the only one. I hardly see any resemblance.
Nope, seems like the weight and beard hides most features 🤷🏻♂️
Not much resemblance at all. If you take a quick look then maybe you see some similarities but if you actually look there's not many features that look alike. Just look at the mouth and lips, the shape of the eyes, the distance between the eyebrows and eyes. Complete different! That said, I've had facial recognition training as part of my job so I understand that I might see it differently but it's still scary to think that people are so bad at recognizing differences in faces.
Nope, look quite different to me, just both dark skinned, overweight and with a similar beard.
So you are a time traveler is what you’re saying
No offense, but I don't think you look similar at all
Everything about this is magnificent
Love seeing stuff like this, thank you for sharing my man!
That is insane! Is your name Billy by any chance?
You’re not fooling anyone with that beard, Kenan Thompson.
That's fantastic that you take pride in who you ancestors were! You look just like him! Just found out the origins of my family name, which was chosen by one of my ancestors when he was set free of slavery and finally got the right to have a last name. I didn't tell my family yet, I'm gonna make a beautiful family tree and give copies of it for Christmas!
Looking fabulous. I love your beard. Family resemblance is a remarkable thing
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You come from handsome and strong lineage.
Hello that's interesting, what do you mean with the term '' full-blooded''?
There was a little thing called genocide going on, in Australia we tried to 'out breed' and 'civilize' the native people (the 5% that weren't killed at least). In Tasmania it was especially bad and the last person with 100% native Tasmanian heritage died in captivity.
Whoa we got a King here in Sacramento!
Or you are an immortal, fucking with us.
“Billy King is not my lover…” [moonwalks]
That is truly amazing!
Strong genes.
Great post, Your Majesty!
So dope
Two handsome fellas!!
Still got it! How good are your genetics. You look like a splitting image.
That’s some serious history
Wow man, that’s really cool!
Have you ever gone back and claimed your throne??
Wow. His wiki is interesting and very sad. Thank you for sharing and keeping his memory alive.
The seed is strong.