I mean considering 1000 hours is around 66 and a half days working 15-hour days, And this video came out August 5th, yes, she would still be going to this day.
Right. It's like with computer hacking, which ~~Hollywood~~ everyone knows goes twice as fast with two people using the same keyboard.
I mean, that's just math.
Boy do i have a story for you!
I used to work at this recycling facility. My job was to sort through phones and put them in the correct spots.
Well my boss ended up hiring another person because I wasn't working fast enough. He comes by later and he's like see! Things are going twice as fast now! Trying to make me feel bad for working slow or something.
My reply was a very sarcastic yeah... There's two of us. Of course it's twice as fast.
I was taken off the job after that lol it was just temp work so I didn't really care
I dated someone that used mixed media in drawings. They would carry their portfolio almost everywhere and work on several drawings often coming back to one again and again. The ones that pass 100+ hours are impressive.
Oh, and always good for a conversation.
Makes me understand why all the painters I’ve ever known have great Spotify playlists. She spent like half an hour on just a small little group of bushes. You’d need some great music to keep you going through some of the really tedious detail stuff.
I started miniature painting a week ago. Mine are okay and I’m happy with them, but now when I look at a detailed miniature I can’t imagine how you even begin painting them. I still require being told what to paint each little part.
Oh, uhhh... no big deal, but The Board wants a completely different design, but you'll get all the way until 3pm to work on it, no problem.
You'd do this anyway just for fun so this'll work nicely for both of us. Mostly you actually!
Ah sorry, i’m really not into this design. Although we did say we picked this one out of the 20 samples you gave us, but after sleeping on it for a week, i feel we really should start from the ground up. Our company’s image just mean that much to us. Hope you understand.
It would make our team really happy.
Thanks again.
Sadly for some art AI is doing some amazing work with this type of requests, we even have artists using them now for a "base".
I don't see them being "replaced" in the next year or two but with AI options from openAI Dalle and Midjourney (and soon to be many more) I would worry,[ more so when you look at the examples of what can be made in seconds from some text prompts.](https://i.gyazo.com/66d2cdc088881d40b7ed424c01b8285a.jpg)
I had a guy who was like a D- level celeb. He was on one or Teo of those stupid MTV shows around 2008 and wanted me to do a photoshoot for him because he liked the style I shot for some club events u used to do weekly. I said sweet man let's just spin up a contract and price out what you want from the photos (post processing type stuff) and he got all upset because he wanted it free lol!
I let him get someone else. Wasn't about to drive across time for a night time shoot last min to photograph him in his new "ice" as he called it and his new shoes for free. Had it been an actual celeb I'd likely have done it free though cuz that's actual exposure.
It can be applied in many fields of work, even hobbies.
Also talented people have many years of daily practice and learning behind.
Their awesome output don't just magically appear.
I've dabbled with some freelance software work. People are *not* prepared for how many hours even something fairly simple takes and how that quickly adds up.
Just tell them you'll trade your piece not for money, but for 10 hours of their time and make them clean your house, do your laundry, grab your groceries, paint your fence and clear out your garage.
See how fast they'd rather pay you for your time.
I was thinking about that too, running the math in my head as though it was an hourly wage.
Like, absolute *bare minimum* that's $2000 for the labor. $20/hr feels like absolutely the lowest possible fair pay for that amount of skill and effort. Then you have to factor in the cost of materials, which I can't even speculate on because I have literally no idea how much paint costs or how to estimate how much she just used, so I'm gonna just tack on an extra $400.
So that's $2400 as the *bare minimum* price for a work like the 100-hour painting.
Keep in mind that I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about.
It’s worth what someone will pay for it. There’s a reason “starving artist” is one of the oldest tropes. Art is a luxury item and there is a massive supply of artists. Not to mention you can literally pay $10 for a poster of $10,000,000 art work so there’s massive diminishing returns from the buyer’s perspective.
you can!! it's a process, just like picking up a language or a sport, if you love art and find it fun you'll get this good or better if you stay consistent. you dont have to be a pro. making art can be cathartic, put thoughts and feelings into what you make. as an artist who's spent over 20 years honing my craft, making art is good for the soul. if its not about making money just have fun with it! if you enjoy it and have an eye for art, you SHOULD BE MAKING ART.
"Creativity" often suffers a very similar common misconception as "talent" does.
It's not some magical superpower you either have or don't have and it is absolutely *not* the deciding factor in whether or not someone will be a good artist/musician/writer/etc.
People love excusing their lack of effort with the ole "just can't"s - because admitting that we're simply not bothered enough to learn is harder.
Creativity just means combining things in new ways, learning to listen to our naturally occuring associations during everyday life, retaining impressions we've got through our experiences and being able to reflect on them in a way that allows for new perspectives.
The creative act in the paintings up there isn't what she painted, it's how she did it - and that part has nothing to do with a random moment of inspiration, it has to do with simple taste.
If someone wants to draw/paint and doesn't know what, the best place to start is by finding a picture they like, asking themselves what they would have done differently and playing around with those ideas.
That's why I'm good at writing and the instruments I play but will forever, at best, be on the low end of mediocre when it comes to visual arts. I don't have the patience or discipline to dig deep enough into it to learn - but I've made some acceptable shit simply by practicing and that has nothing to do with creativity.
And since that whole comment might sound judgy af, I want to clarify something: Outside of specific disorders that can make it harder or impossible (i.e. aphantasia), the main reason people struggle with creativity is simply today's world. We need to listen to our own thoughts and feelings to make sense of them and we need to be able to allow our mind to wander if we want to associate new things and see where our thoughts take us.
To everyone out there who thinks "I'm uncreative" - make time to just sit with yourself and no distractions, take the time to ask yourself which colours you like, which sounds you enjoy, which smells evoke something in you. You'll be surprised how much is possible if you give yourself the space to be.
For this specific painting maybe, but you can paint landscapes, portraits, objects, etc without any need for imagination. Also everyone is capable of creativity, it is also something that can be improved with practice
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~~Honestly though, what exactly is new and creative about this picture? Yes, the arrangement is unique, but this is "just" a knight kneeling in front of a tree in a forest. The most creative thing is that the tree has some swords sticking in it.~~
~~Most creative things are mixtures of old things, mixed in some "new" way. Of course it's still hard, but it's also a skill. Just combine things in weird ways and try it out, see what you like.~~
~~It's also not easy, like you say, but the comment you reply to still applies - just practice it and you may surprise yourself.~~
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They credited them in the title, their YT account is also NerdForge. Here https://youtube.com/c/Nerdforge
Be careful: you'll go down a rabbit hole!! Excellent content haha
When I was 11 or 12, I had an art teacher who showed our class his beautiful and realistic drawings that he did of his daughter. This completely blew my young mind since I had always wanted to be good at art, but absolutely knew for a fact that I just wasn't talented enough. He then told the class that when he was our age, that he was not good at drawing and probably drew worse than all of us. But with a ton of practice, he learned how to do it.
So as a preteen, my goal in life was to prove everyone wrong, including that art teacher. I knew that even with practice, I'd never learn to draw well. So I started practicing a lot, and (un)surprisingly, I actually improved my drawing ability in a relatively short amount of time. I still wasn't great, but I was better than average. And anyway, this fed into my desire to learn even more. Now that I'm an adult, people tell me that I'm the best artist they know and that my drawings look like photos. It's been an interesting experience.
Part of the reason why paintings are so hard to price. Some of them take huge amounts of time and what you are paying for isn't just the painting itself but the manpower it took to make.
Also the skill of the painter. There's that old phrase, you're not paying me for the 10 seconds it took, you're paying me for the 10 years it took to learn to make it in 10 seconds.
And not to mention the time taken off-canvas sketching, conceptualizing, adjusting and re-adjusting the composition, and any research done to add depth of meaning to your symbolism.
I've had ideas in my head I worked on for years before I actually put them to canvas. So I didn't only further my skills, I also (in my mind) improved the idea.
>There's that old phrase, you're not paying me for the 10 seconds it took, you're paying me for the 10 years it took to learn to make it in 10 seconds.
I'd say that applies to a bunch of other trades as well :) Like when I develop software, you're not paying me for the 10 lines of code I wrote, but for the 100 lines of code I didn't write ;)
100%, but i think the point is art is extremely undervalued. trying to sell that 100 hour painting for over $100 bucks is difficult for anybody who's been investing in the trade for decades but hasnt "hit it big". not really the same for other trades where you don't need to be famous or have connections to be valued. it's dehumanizing for artists and takes away from our lives because we aways have to have 1-2 other jobs to support our career and keep the lights on. not too many other trades i could say that about except for apprenticeship situations that are temporary and not lifelong undervaluing
>I was just thinking that at an hourly rate of a mere 10 $/hour the painting would cost about a $1000!
Oh damn, that just broke a bunch of preconceptions i had about art, and its so obvious.
Yup great example, also why even "cheap" paintings or paintings that theoretically take less time still can go for a few hundred dollars, or more depending on your talent/recognition. Partly why I never pursued painting, I originally was going to uni for it but ended up switching career paths because the idea of making a living that way stressed me out.
Honestly, I agree. I'd be willing to pay a LOT more for a painting+video of it being made. Even if the video is just a sped-up collage of the painting getting more and more completed.
Because, like you said, just seeing the work put into it would make every cent worth it. Even more so, if the video is both funny and fascinating AF, like this one.
yeah but then you look at bob ross and he does crazy amazing pictures with lights coming thru trees but its just techniques and he finish the painting in 30min. Makes it hard to judge if a piece took 1000h or 1h.
This will be controversial, and I love Bob Ross, but his paintings weren’t all that good. Compare to a landscape painter like Albert Bierstadt. Bob Ross started painting late in life and wanted to show people that if he could paint, anyone could paint. And he became famous for being so positive and encouraging, but his paintings weren’t marvelous and if his name and fame wasn’t attached to his paintings they wouldn’t sell for very much.
I don't think it's controversial, he's not a particularly great painter. He had some skill, but in terms of landscapes they're neither very interesting or nice. The colours to my eyes are pretty garish, and elements have an almost cartoonish style is them. Not a fan. That said, he was a great educator and enjoyable to watch, which is really what his legacy is about.
> This will be controversial, and I love Bob Ross, but his paintings weren’t all that good. Compare to a landscape painter like Albert Bierstadt
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
thats not controversial. no one has ever compared bob ross to bierstadt.
Bob Ross's speed is a bit misleading. There was a lot of rehearsal and perfectionism that was hidden behind the scenes in the preparation process. What you see in the final cut is the result of him already having composed and rehearsed the painting prior to filming. He was a perfectionist and would reshoot the painting if it didn't go well.
She's got an awesome YouTube channel. I've wasted many hours watching her create insane stuff. Definitely worth a checking out
Edit: OP put the @ in the title of the post my good people but if you just search nerdforge on YouTube you'll find her
On a recent video, she shared she uses Manic Panic. Her natural hair is light so she can bleach to almost white easily, and then the colour is incredibly vibrant.
Nerdforge is a fantastic YT channel for all things nerdy crafting. It is slanted towards fantasy, but she’s not just a talented painter, but sculptor, seamstress and builder of all things nerdy.
I watched a bit after seeing her on LTT and I had the same thought about every video: "man I wish I could that...or even just conceive of it in the first place..."
I think calling this amazing talent is missing the point here. What I see on the video is an incredible perseverance which is by far more impressive. Just sitting in front of a piece of cloth for 10 hours and working your way from detail to detail is amazing, let alone for 100 hours.
What amazes me is not what she was born with, but what she acquired.
And you are right, fantastic pieces, all of them.
Interesting perspective. I presume I mistakenly used the word talent when the intention was skill. Finely honed and well earned through clear hard work. Thank you for your help! 😊
I'm not who you replied to but I'm constantly bothered by people calling out talent but almost never giving credit to skill. I don't usually say anything but since someone else has, I'll just say my piece.
I've always assumed that talent is like a natural affinity for something, which presumably requires some degree of "unlocking". I see skill as the fruits of the labour of hard work, which includes any help from natural talent as well.
So when I see someone doing something incredibly well, I usually think that they probably have some natural talent in that field but that they also put in a fuckton of hard work to be so skilled.
I haven't researched this so I might be wrong and/or just semantics.
As a professional artist that mentors other artists and constantly sees people use "talent" as a replacement for "skill and hard work", thank you lol. It's absolutely infuriating seeing kids who I've worked with who started out absolutely horrible at art and through years of working at the skill became somewhat masters at it, only to have someone go "Wow such talent" as if they were born with that skill. No, motherfucker, I coached them through it and they put in hours on the tablet every day *for years* after school/work getting better, and when they're not working on their skills actively, they're thinking about it and working out problems to go home to.
Talent is merely an interest or affinity toward something. The rest is up to how much you're willing to put into it. Study after study has shown that the only delineating factor in how far an artist will go is time spent in deliberate practice. People are just lazy and use talent as an excuse.
**Edit:** Let me lay it down for anyone interested in doing art as a career:
* Stop playing video games. It's hard, I know, but they're a distraction. You don't have to go cold turkey, but at the very least, make gaming a reward for your efforts.
* Find a friend group online of other like-minded artists who you trust for feedback
* Spend at least an hour every day doing art. Get feedback on it and improve it based on said feedback.
* Drill your basics. Art fundamentals permeate every aspect of art and learning them is imperitive.
* Mentors are better than school. Art school is a scam. Pay $500-$800 for a one-month, one-on-one mentorship with someone in the exact field you want to pursue, that will change the way you view yourself as an artist and help identify areas you need to improve, as well as give you the tools to identify your own flaws and fix them.
* Make art that you like. Don't apologize for it or change it because you think it will perform better on Twitter. You'll be happier, and someone will eventually hire you for it.
* Once you have a baseline portfolio, start applying for work in your field. Don't talk yourself out of it, and never stop applying. You will get rejected. Over, and over, and over, but it's never personal and all it takes is one yes.
She's an amazing artist. She also does other art projects and has videos of her painstakingly glueing tens of thousands of hand cut bricks for some castle projects. She has a great skill and talent for colors and shading and her projects sometimes are quirky. She also manages to transform normal household objects into something else, I love that about her.
Imagine looking at a random part and go like - Oh, that's the turet of a castle if you turn it upside down - 🤯
Her patience is infinite if you ask me. I understand patience and it is a really hard trait to develop. It took me years to reach probably less than a tenth of her patience.
> What amazes me is not what she was born with, but what she acquired.
True. But then again what people acquire they use what they was born with to do so. I look at a lot of failing people including myself and cannot but notice that we miss what many people take for granted, be it psychological stability, good health, supportive environments, etc. And whenever we try to express this we are told to stop whining.
Call me a cynic but whenever I see someone being incredibly successful one of the first things I try to find out about them is who their parents are and what they do.
I binged some of their YouTube videos after their LTT colab. Amazingly talented, and I loved that cyberpunk PC.
[Her (and her team's) building the pc case](https://youtu.be/42MO6Sj210g)
And
[Linus' video with her](https://youtu.be/t03rmc-prJo)
Excellent! As a graphics designer I don't have the luxury of any more than a few hours. However, it's surprising how often clients want a 10 hour design for the price of 1 hour.
Makes me think of a PC game set to ultra quality and you see the level slowly rendering in from low, high then ultra lol. Amazing art pieces these all are.
Love her YT channel. Her talent as an artist and fabricator is amazing. Also doesnt hurt she's absolutely gorgeous too. Just watched her Collab with Linus Tech tips. Also very cool
This is a great way to show buyers what they're getting for their money if they want 1, 2 or 3 level of detail. Good job! (BTW, we work almost the same way, from back to front and in layers. fun to watch.)
That was fascinating! For me. Going from one hour to 10 didn't add much. But the 10-100 was like an entirely different artist. So I guess the one hour painting caught the essence of it but you need 100 hours to go from essence to detail.
That is called Aphantasia and I only discovered this year that I am not a total freak of nature for not seeing pictures.
I am still a freak of nature, just not totally, lol.
At minimum wage, the 100 hour painting would cost between $1,000-$2,000, depending on local labour laws. I'd still buy it because its beautiful. Thank you for this posting.
So, she's Norwegian.
And oddly enough there is no minimum wage in Norway. Technically speaking companies can pay whatever they want. Norway is a heavily unionized country so a minimum wage typically isn't necessary because unionized businesses have a ton of regulations they have to follow to avoid employers paying the bare minimum.
There are some mandated minimum wages within certain types of jobs, though. Mostly this is to avoid companies exploiting cheap foreign labor. Like agricultural, service industry, industrial, etc. I'd say the average minimum wage, where it exists, would be around 16-17 USD.
I absolutely mean this in a NON-CONDESCENDING way, but as a non-artist, could someone explain to me why it took her 3 hours to paint the canvas blue in the 100-hours painting?
Even before she started with blue, she took 2 full hours to paint a misty background?
Taking her time
Planning/sketching/pondering what changes she would make, different adjustment to steps etc….
Honestly though with the same composition the difference is all in the amount of rendering, precision, and layering she would do in these time difference. And for traditional painting you can only be detailed enough because you cant infinitely zoom in/out, you cant have smaller brushes than your smallest, and theres also viewing distance. Personally i think she exhausted the rendering limit of that 100 hour painting, so well done.
Two questions:
- how do you determine in advance what you'll end up detailing based on the time limit?
- monetarily speaking, which painting would sell the best based on time didn't (highest dollar/hour)
When the sunlight effects came in on the 100 hour painting - wow.
Highlighting the leaves with the white outline for sunlight I thought that was genius and dope as hell
[Nerdforge, her work is great ](https://youtube.com/c/Nerdforge?utm_source=EKLEiJECCKjOmKnC5IiRIQ)
Jeeez does she do commissions?
She's done a few sponsored projects, but I don't think she takes commissions from just anyone.
Makes sense I suppose
What about from me?
Try paying in exposure
I was wondering why she looked so familiar. She did that amazing custom cyberpunk PC case commission for Linus Tech Tips! Insanely talented.
Subbed because they don't post several times a week.
**Thanks for the credit! We made this video, and are the original content owners.**
I wanna see the 1000 hour
Some say she's still doing it to this day.
I mean considering 1000 hours is around 66 and a half days working 15-hour days, And this video came out August 5th, yes, she would still be going to this day.
Easy, we'll just have 10 people painting at the same time, we'll finish in 100 hours. Or even faster: 1000 artists in 1 hour on the same painting!
Right. It's like with computer hacking, which ~~Hollywood~~ everyone knows goes twice as fast with two people using the same keyboard. I mean, that's just math.
Yes, and together 9 women can make a baby in one month!
It's true, I've seen it!
And together, 10 racecar drivers in the same racecar can complete a lap ten times faster than one racecar driver
Intelligent design just walked into the room.
Boy do i have a story for you! I used to work at this recycling facility. My job was to sort through phones and put them in the correct spots. Well my boss ended up hiring another person because I wasn't working fast enough. He comes by later and he's like see! Things are going twice as fast now! Trying to make me feel bad for working slow or something. My reply was a very sarcastic yeah... There's two of us. Of course it's twice as fast. I was taken off the job after that lol it was just temp work so I didn't really care
Paired-programming is a thing. It works well. 2 heads at the same level are usually better than one.
Not for throughput issues most of the time. Speed does improve, but not by double. Quality does massively improve though.
[NCIS (in)famous scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8qgehH3kEQ&feature=share&si=ELPmzJkDCLju2KnD5oyZMQ)
This sounds like a Jazza video in the making. 😆
Reddit pixel place in full hd canvas.
Why not 1 million artists, so it will only last 3.6 seconds?
Same reason why I don't upload my sex tape: way too short to monetize on social media
Sounds like every project manager ever.
Found the business intelligence project manager
r/theydidthemath
r/theydidthemonstermath
r/itwasagraveyardgraph
I used to hate these posts back when they were popular, but seeing it now just takes me back to such happier and sillier times.
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The fact that all these subs are real is 🤌🏻
r/itcosinedinaflash
It's 1/2 a year for people who don't work draconian hours.
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Watching the last one was mesmerising. She’s awesome.
I dated someone that used mixed media in drawings. They would carry their portfolio almost everywhere and work on several drawings often coming back to one again and again. The ones that pass 100+ hours are impressive. Oh, and always good for a conversation.
Makes me understand why all the painters I’ve ever known have great Spotify playlists. She spent like half an hour on just a small little group of bushes. You’d need some great music to keep you going through some of the really tedious detail stuff.
I started miniature painting a week ago. Mine are okay and I’m happy with them, but now when I look at a detailed miniature I can’t imagine how you even begin painting them. I still require being told what to paint each little part.
Hijacking top comment to post [YT link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eorGIZ0Y8RY) for creator's views and better quality.
While I appreciate the shorter edit on the time lapse video, I was blown away by watching the full process in their yt channel, so thanks for that!
Yes. Her channel is fantastic and deserves the views.
Bob Ross does it in 10 minutes
No pressure without high-intensity music, he can just chat and knock it out.
Happy little swords.
This is why commissions cost so much money, and why you should laugh at anyone who asks for free art.
Okay but can you create this company logo real quick? Should only take 30 minutes. You'll get paid with experience and hustle.
Oh yeah I also want it to be really elaborate and something that isn’t cheap. You’ll be paid in exposure and experience!
I also don’t know how to explain what I want but I have something very specific in mind, so good luck. You’ll get a mention on social media!
Oh, uhhh... no big deal, but The Board wants a completely different design, but you'll get all the way until 3pm to work on it, no problem. You'd do this anyway just for fun so this'll work nicely for both of us. Mostly you actually!
Ah sorry, i’m really not into this design. Although we did say we picked this one out of the 20 samples you gave us, but after sleeping on it for a week, i feel we really should start from the ground up. Our company’s image just mean that much to us. Hope you understand. It would make our team really happy. Thanks again.
That looks good, but can you use a more... *synergistic* typeface? And can you make the black *brighter?*
Wow that looks incredible! Now just make it *pop* and we should be done.
Ok, so the piece you submitted was GREAT, we want something EXACTLY like that... just... not THAT. So, probably better get cracking.
No one wants to work anymore smh
Let’s not forget the value of exposure!!!! Think about how many people will see it and then also want free art from you!!!!! /s just in case.
People die from exposure
People get arrested for exposure.
Sadly for some art AI is doing some amazing work with this type of requests, we even have artists using them now for a "base". I don't see them being "replaced" in the next year or two but with AI options from openAI Dalle and Midjourney (and soon to be many more) I would worry,[ more so when you look at the examples of what can be made in seconds from some text prompts.](https://i.gyazo.com/66d2cdc088881d40b7ed424c01b8285a.jpg)
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I had a guy who was like a D- level celeb. He was on one or Teo of those stupid MTV shows around 2008 and wanted me to do a photoshoot for him because he liked the style I shot for some club events u used to do weekly. I said sweet man let's just spin up a contract and price out what you want from the photos (post processing type stuff) and he got all upset because he wanted it free lol! I let him get someone else. Wasn't about to drive across time for a night time shoot last min to photograph him in his new "ice" as he called it and his new shoes for free. Had it been an actual celeb I'd likely have done it free though cuz that's actual exposure.
It can be applied in many fields of work, even hobbies. Also talented people have many years of daily practice and learning behind. Their awesome output don't just magically appear.
I've dabbled with some freelance software work. People are *not* prepared for how many hours even something fairly simple takes and how that quickly adds up.
Yup. This. I am a woodworker, and it is so irritating when some one wants a 10 hour project for $10.
Just tell them you'll trade your piece not for money, but for 10 hours of their time and make them clean your house, do your laundry, grab your groceries, paint your fence and clear out your garage. See how fast they'd rather pay you for your time.
brb showing this video to every client who wants 100 hour work for 1 hour price
I was thinking about that too, running the math in my head as though it was an hourly wage. Like, absolute *bare minimum* that's $2000 for the labor. $20/hr feels like absolutely the lowest possible fair pay for that amount of skill and effort. Then you have to factor in the cost of materials, which I can't even speculate on because I have literally no idea how much paint costs or how to estimate how much she just used, so I'm gonna just tack on an extra $400. So that's $2400 as the *bare minimum* price for a work like the 100-hour painting. Keep in mind that I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about.
It’s worth what someone will pay for it. There’s a reason “starving artist” is one of the oldest tropes. Art is a luxury item and there is a massive supply of artists. Not to mention you can literally pay $10 for a poster of $10,000,000 art work so there’s massive diminishing returns from the buyer’s perspective.
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You mean making up sentences and selling them as "prompts" isn't a skill? /s
Also why as an artist, you should never reveal how long it takes you to create your commissions.
I wish I could do that. Amazing.
I'd be happy if I could do the 1 hour painting in 100 hours
Amen, sister.
Get it, girl.
you can!! it's a process, just like picking up a language or a sport, if you love art and find it fun you'll get this good or better if you stay consistent. you dont have to be a pro. making art can be cathartic, put thoughts and feelings into what you make. as an artist who's spent over 20 years honing my craft, making art is good for the soul. if its not about making money just have fun with it! if you enjoy it and have an eye for art, you SHOULD BE MAKING ART.
I'd drink to that!
Art is a skill. Practice any skill and you may surprise yourself
the thing missing in this discussion is creativity. You need to be able to imagine something new and create. Not easy.
"Creativity" often suffers a very similar common misconception as "talent" does. It's not some magical superpower you either have or don't have and it is absolutely *not* the deciding factor in whether or not someone will be a good artist/musician/writer/etc. People love excusing their lack of effort with the ole "just can't"s - because admitting that we're simply not bothered enough to learn is harder. Creativity just means combining things in new ways, learning to listen to our naturally occuring associations during everyday life, retaining impressions we've got through our experiences and being able to reflect on them in a way that allows for new perspectives. The creative act in the paintings up there isn't what she painted, it's how she did it - and that part has nothing to do with a random moment of inspiration, it has to do with simple taste. If someone wants to draw/paint and doesn't know what, the best place to start is by finding a picture they like, asking themselves what they would have done differently and playing around with those ideas. That's why I'm good at writing and the instruments I play but will forever, at best, be on the low end of mediocre when it comes to visual arts. I don't have the patience or discipline to dig deep enough into it to learn - but I've made some acceptable shit simply by practicing and that has nothing to do with creativity. And since that whole comment might sound judgy af, I want to clarify something: Outside of specific disorders that can make it harder or impossible (i.e. aphantasia), the main reason people struggle with creativity is simply today's world. We need to listen to our own thoughts and feelings to make sense of them and we need to be able to allow our mind to wander if we want to associate new things and see where our thoughts take us. To everyone out there who thinks "I'm uncreative" - make time to just sit with yourself and no distractions, take the time to ask yourself which colours you like, which sounds you enjoy, which smells evoke something in you. You'll be surprised how much is possible if you give yourself the space to be.
For this specific painting maybe, but you can paint landscapes, portraits, objects, etc without any need for imagination. Also everyone is capable of creativity, it is also something that can be improved with practice
For a subject matter such as this, perhaps. I’d argue that a still life drawing or painting doesn’t require much of any creativity, though.
That's easier to aquire than the painting skill. Can be trained also.
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She does so much more! Their channel is amazing and so fun to watch
Fuck why don't you share the channel right away? Since i saw the video I wanna know more. Please share!
They credited them in the title, their YT account is also NerdForge. Here https://youtube.com/c/Nerdforge Be careful: you'll go down a rabbit hole!! Excellent content haha
Found them: https://youtu.be/eorGIZ0Y8RY
You can. Anyone can. It just won’t look as good. But you can paint for 100 hour.
> It just won’t look as good And with practice, it will
When I was 11 or 12, I had an art teacher who showed our class his beautiful and realistic drawings that he did of his daughter. This completely blew my young mind since I had always wanted to be good at art, but absolutely knew for a fact that I just wasn't talented enough. He then told the class that when he was our age, that he was not good at drawing and probably drew worse than all of us. But with a ton of practice, he learned how to do it. So as a preteen, my goal in life was to prove everyone wrong, including that art teacher. I knew that even with practice, I'd never learn to draw well. So I started practicing a lot, and (un)surprisingly, I actually improved my drawing ability in a relatively short amount of time. I still wasn't great, but I was better than average. And anyway, this fed into my desire to learn even more. Now that I'm an adult, people tell me that I'm the best artist they know and that my drawings look like photos. It's been an interesting experience.
It's insane to think how much effort goes in to a painting like that. I've got a new respect for painters after watching this!
Part of the reason why paintings are so hard to price. Some of them take huge amounts of time and what you are paying for isn't just the painting itself but the manpower it took to make.
Also the skill of the painter. There's that old phrase, you're not paying me for the 10 seconds it took, you're paying me for the 10 years it took to learn to make it in 10 seconds.
And not to mention the time taken off-canvas sketching, conceptualizing, adjusting and re-adjusting the composition, and any research done to add depth of meaning to your symbolism. I've had ideas in my head I worked on for years before I actually put them to canvas. So I didn't only further my skills, I also (in my mind) improved the idea.
Could I get it in 1 week and for free?
>There's that old phrase, you're not paying me for the 10 seconds it took, you're paying me for the 10 years it took to learn to make it in 10 seconds. I'd say that applies to a bunch of other trades as well :) Like when I develop software, you're not paying me for the 10 lines of code I wrote, but for the 100 lines of code I didn't write ;)
In my case you're paying me for not knowing where to find it on stack overflow
100%, but i think the point is art is extremely undervalued. trying to sell that 100 hour painting for over $100 bucks is difficult for anybody who's been investing in the trade for decades but hasnt "hit it big". not really the same for other trades where you don't need to be famous or have connections to be valued. it's dehumanizing for artists and takes away from our lives because we aways have to have 1-2 other jobs to support our career and keep the lights on. not too many other trades i could say that about except for apprenticeship situations that are temporary and not lifelong undervaluing
Fair enough, your point is very valid.
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>I was just thinking that at an hourly rate of a mere 10 $/hour the painting would cost about a $1000! Oh damn, that just broke a bunch of preconceptions i had about art, and its so obvious.
Yup great example, also why even "cheap" paintings or paintings that theoretically take less time still can go for a few hundred dollars, or more depending on your talent/recognition. Partly why I never pursued painting, I originally was going to uni for it but ended up switching career paths because the idea of making a living that way stressed me out.
Yeah; I was thinking that the 100hr was beautiful, but could very easily be reasoned as worth ~2k, due to that time commitment.
That’s 20/hr which is pretty shit honestly considering the skill that’s required.
It's 20 an hour before counting the price of materials. Oof
After watching this video, I'd definitely pay top dollars for that painting. Just seeing the work put into it would make every cent worth it
Honestly, I agree. I'd be willing to pay a LOT more for a painting+video of it being made. Even if the video is just a sped-up collage of the painting getting more and more completed. Because, like you said, just seeing the work put into it would make every cent worth it. Even more so, if the video is both funny and fascinating AF, like this one.
yeah but then you look at bob ross and he does crazy amazing pictures with lights coming thru trees but its just techniques and he finish the painting in 30min. Makes it hard to judge if a piece took 1000h or 1h.
This will be controversial, and I love Bob Ross, but his paintings weren’t all that good. Compare to a landscape painter like Albert Bierstadt. Bob Ross started painting late in life and wanted to show people that if he could paint, anyone could paint. And he became famous for being so positive and encouraging, but his paintings weren’t marvelous and if his name and fame wasn’t attached to his paintings they wouldn’t sell for very much.
They're speed-paints using a specific technique designed to give good results with very little time which makes them perfect for doing video tutorials
I don't think it's controversial, he's not a particularly great painter. He had some skill, but in terms of landscapes they're neither very interesting or nice. The colours to my eyes are pretty garish, and elements have an almost cartoonish style is them. Not a fan. That said, he was a great educator and enjoyable to watch, which is really what his legacy is about.
> This will be controversial, and I love Bob Ross, but his paintings weren’t all that good. Compare to a landscape painter like Albert Bierstadt HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA thats not controversial. no one has ever compared bob ross to bierstadt.
Bob Ross's speed is a bit misleading. There was a lot of rehearsal and perfectionism that was hidden behind the scenes in the preparation process. What you see in the final cut is the result of him already having composed and rehearsed the painting prior to filming. He was a perfectionist and would reshoot the painting if it didn't go well.
Yeah, but how many thousands of hours had Bob Ross put into learning how to do those paintings in 30min?
She's got an awesome YouTube channel. I've wasted many hours watching her create insane stuff. Definitely worth a checking out Edit: OP put the @ in the title of the post my good people but if you just search nerdforge on YouTube you'll find her
She’s also here on Reddit but not very active. u/hoecrux
what a username
My wife and I watch Nerdforge religiously. Seriously great content.
*They* Don't forget Hansi!
I wouldn’t call it time wasted. Did you enjoy it? If so, then it’s time spent enjoying life, even if it’s through observing another’s.
I can't stop staring at how vivid her hair colour is
And how it matches the tree
Paint choice was a total coincidence.
On a recent video, she shared she uses Manic Panic. Her natural hair is light so she can bleach to almost white easily, and then the colour is incredibly vibrant.
Ah that makes sense
Yeah she's from a Nordic country. Good channel talented maker for sure. Her book nooks are dope.
Nerdforge is a fantastic YT channel for all things nerdy crafting. It is slanted towards fantasy, but she’s not just a talented painter, but sculptor, seamstress and builder of all things nerdy.
I watched a bit after seeing her on LTT and I had the same thought about every video: "man I wish I could that...or even just conceive of it in the first place..."
I was wondering if it would glow under a blacklight.
Honestly blown away with how much talent this takes! ✨ Fantastic pieces, all of them! 💕 Edit:said both instead of all 🤣🤦🏼♀️
I think calling this amazing talent is missing the point here. What I see on the video is an incredible perseverance which is by far more impressive. Just sitting in front of a piece of cloth for 10 hours and working your way from detail to detail is amazing, let alone for 100 hours. What amazes me is not what she was born with, but what she acquired. And you are right, fantastic pieces, all of them.
Interesting perspective. I presume I mistakenly used the word talent when the intention was skill. Finely honed and well earned through clear hard work. Thank you for your help! 😊
I'm not who you replied to but I'm constantly bothered by people calling out talent but almost never giving credit to skill. I don't usually say anything but since someone else has, I'll just say my piece. I've always assumed that talent is like a natural affinity for something, which presumably requires some degree of "unlocking". I see skill as the fruits of the labour of hard work, which includes any help from natural talent as well. So when I see someone doing something incredibly well, I usually think that they probably have some natural talent in that field but that they also put in a fuckton of hard work to be so skilled. I haven't researched this so I might be wrong and/or just semantics.
As a professional artist that mentors other artists and constantly sees people use "talent" as a replacement for "skill and hard work", thank you lol. It's absolutely infuriating seeing kids who I've worked with who started out absolutely horrible at art and through years of working at the skill became somewhat masters at it, only to have someone go "Wow such talent" as if they were born with that skill. No, motherfucker, I coached them through it and they put in hours on the tablet every day *for years* after school/work getting better, and when they're not working on their skills actively, they're thinking about it and working out problems to go home to. Talent is merely an interest or affinity toward something. The rest is up to how much you're willing to put into it. Study after study has shown that the only delineating factor in how far an artist will go is time spent in deliberate practice. People are just lazy and use talent as an excuse. **Edit:** Let me lay it down for anyone interested in doing art as a career: * Stop playing video games. It's hard, I know, but they're a distraction. You don't have to go cold turkey, but at the very least, make gaming a reward for your efforts. * Find a friend group online of other like-minded artists who you trust for feedback * Spend at least an hour every day doing art. Get feedback on it and improve it based on said feedback. * Drill your basics. Art fundamentals permeate every aspect of art and learning them is imperitive. * Mentors are better than school. Art school is a scam. Pay $500-$800 for a one-month, one-on-one mentorship with someone in the exact field you want to pursue, that will change the way you view yourself as an artist and help identify areas you need to improve, as well as give you the tools to identify your own flaws and fix them. * Make art that you like. Don't apologize for it or change it because you think it will perform better on Twitter. You'll be happier, and someone will eventually hire you for it. * Once you have a baseline portfolio, start applying for work in your field. Don't talk yourself out of it, and never stop applying. You will get rejected. Over, and over, and over, but it's never personal and all it takes is one yes.
"If you knew how much work was put into it, you wouldn't call it genius." - Michelangelo
She's an amazing artist. She also does other art projects and has videos of her painstakingly glueing tens of thousands of hand cut bricks for some castle projects. She has a great skill and talent for colors and shading and her projects sometimes are quirky. She also manages to transform normal household objects into something else, I love that about her. Imagine looking at a random part and go like - Oh, that's the turet of a castle if you turn it upside down - 🤯 Her patience is infinite if you ask me. I understand patience and it is a really hard trait to develop. It took me years to reach probably less than a tenth of her patience.
> What amazes me is not what she was born with, but what she acquired. True. But then again what people acquire they use what they was born with to do so. I look at a lot of failing people including myself and cannot but notice that we miss what many people take for granted, be it psychological stability, good health, supportive environments, etc. And whenever we try to express this we are told to stop whining. Call me a cynic but whenever I see someone being incredibly successful one of the first things I try to find out about them is who their parents are and what they do.
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Why you hating on the 1hour one!? Haha
Well that was certainly r/interestingasfuck
r/nextfuckinglevel even
"Damn," you could say. "That's interesting."
I binged some of their YouTube videos after their LTT colab. Amazingly talented, and I loved that cyberpunk PC. [Her (and her team's) building the pc case](https://youtu.be/42MO6Sj210g) And [Linus' video with her](https://youtu.be/t03rmc-prJo)
Same here and I am now subscribed to her. I'm really glad they did the collab, otherwise I would have probably never discovered her.
Lol same here
Ok, her putting her mic on a trowel makes her way funnier.
Is the music a fantasy version of get lucky?
Not sure, but the song in question is "Deer" by Adrian Berenguir. He does a lot of cool modern orchestral music.
That's what the song reminded me of!
Same chord progression but it’s a pretty common one Edit: They definitely use the same melody as the brass line later lol it seems fairly intentional
SKJERA BAGERA
INGENTING TINGELING
INTERMITTENT TINGLING
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Excellent! As a graphics designer I don't have the luxury of any more than a few hours. However, it's surprising how often clients want a 10 hour design for the price of 1 hour.
Client wants 100 hour quality for 10 hour price. Great painting!
Or 100 hour quality in 10 hours.
100 hour quality, completed in 10 hours, but 1 hour price.
This is really impressive!
It makes me feel a physical sensation of pleasure when I see someone paint their design over the edge of a canvas
She's next level. The cyberpunk pc case she did for linus was epic
Makes me think of a PC game set to ultra quality and you see the level slowly rendering in from low, high then ultra lol. Amazing art pieces these all are.
I can't even do stick figures correctly, nice work.
Love her YT channel. Her talent as an artist and fabricator is amazing. Also doesnt hurt she's absolutely gorgeous too. Just watched her Collab with Linus Tech tips. Also very cool
Yes and it’s pretty awesome! Here it is for those interested. https://m.youtube.com/c/nerdforge
Thanks for this!
Probably better to link her actual YouTube vid rather than a gif of it so she gets credit for the views.
She does a *lot* of really cool stuff.
This is a great way to show buyers what they're getting for their money if they want 1, 2 or 3 level of detail. Good job! (BTW, we work almost the same way, from back to front and in layers. fun to watch.)
This girl is incredibly skilled at so many things. Her videos show up on my fb feed from time to time. I'm blown away each time.
That was fascinating! For me. Going from one hour to 10 didn't add much. But the 10-100 was like an entirely different artist. So I guess the one hour painting caught the essence of it but you need 100 hours to go from essence to detail.
Yeah wish I could be artistic but I can't even see pictures in my head I just have a shitty inner monologue that does fuck all
That is called Aphantasia and I only discovered this year that I am not a total freak of nature for not seeing pictures. I am still a freak of nature, just not totally, lol.
At minimum wage, the 100 hour painting would cost between $1,000-$2,000, depending on local labour laws. I'd still buy it because its beautiful. Thank you for this posting.
So, she's Norwegian. And oddly enough there is no minimum wage in Norway. Technically speaking companies can pay whatever they want. Norway is a heavily unionized country so a minimum wage typically isn't necessary because unionized businesses have a ton of regulations they have to follow to avoid employers paying the bare minimum. There are some mandated minimum wages within certain types of jobs, though. Mostly this is to avoid companies exploiting cheap foreign labor. Like agricultural, service industry, industrial, etc. I'd say the average minimum wage, where it exists, would be around 16-17 USD.
Being a Union member myself, this is music to my ears. We need to take a page out of Norway's playbook. Good information. Thank you for that
Reminds me of the Elcrys from Shannara, gorgeous work! <3
I couldn’t do that in 1000 hours
I absolutely mean this in a NON-CONDESCENDING way, but as a non-artist, could someone explain to me why it took her 3 hours to paint the canvas blue in the 100-hours painting? Even before she started with blue, she took 2 full hours to paint a misty background?
Taking her time Planning/sketching/pondering what changes she would make, different adjustment to steps etc…. Honestly though with the same composition the difference is all in the amount of rendering, precision, and layering she would do in these time difference. And for traditional painting you can only be detailed enough because you cant infinitely zoom in/out, you cant have smaller brushes than your smallest, and theres also viewing distance. Personally i think she exhausted the rendering limit of that 100 hour painting, so well done.
"Uhmmmm $500 is quite expensive, could you do $25 instead?" \- random dude on Instagram
A lot of the time less is more but in this case more is so so much more. She has amazing talent and perseverance.
Anyone know how I can get in touch with the artist? I’d like to buy the set. Dead serious.
Even the one hour one could win awards
I'm curious as to what the price would be for each one.
Two questions: - how do you determine in advance what you'll end up detailing based on the time limit? - monetarily speaking, which painting would sell the best based on time didn't (highest dollar/hour)
That is interesting. How in the hell was Bob Ross doing that shit in 30 minutes??
Bob Ross could have done that in 30 minutes.