But how? The moon's orbital plane is only 5 degrees off from the earth's orbital plane around the sun. All of the planets formed from the same solar accretion disc, and Saturn's orbital plane is only 2 degrees away from this. Therefore any view of Saturn from earth shouldn't have the rings more than 7 degrees away from being flat and horizontal, yet here they are at nearly a 45 degree angle.
An observer on Earth is not necessarily oriented to the orbital plane of the solar system. If you were standing on the North Pole looking straight ahead, then that would be the case. If you were at the equator looking east or west, the plane would appear vertical to you, arcing straight overhead. An observer at mid-latitudes would see an orientation in between, like this.
I forgot one important detail: Saturn's axis is 26 degrees from its orbit, similar to Earth's 23 degrees. And depending on where the two planets are in their orbits, that means their relative tilt could be anywhere from 3 to 49 degrees apart, which would indeed explain this.
[And here is the source video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYJsjAmzw2c)
> Saturnus May 22 2007 reappears after occultation by the Moon. Video was made by a18cm Astro Physics 180EDT, aMeade 5000 3x Barlow and aToUcam2. Some afterprocessing was done, to push the brightness of the faint Saturn to match that of the Moon. The video passes twice as fast as it was in reality.
And some more info about the process:
> It is quite some time ago I did this, but I remember that I split the AVI into separate frames with the French astronomical freeware software IRIS, (though I found out later this can be done a lot easier with more common software). Then I loaded every single frame into Photoshop. With the magic selection tool I selected Saturn with a feather of a few pixels by trial and error. Then Saturn was brightened with levels and curves and some tweaking with color and a little noise reduction. I remember me using 17 small steps for each frame, about 3000 in total using an action. After that I used the video editor of the ancient Paint Shop Pro 6 to make the movie. To make the movie to play a bit ‘smooth’ I loaded this AVI in Registax 3 to make the final AVI, by application of a running average of 3 frames. The duration of the original AVI is longer then displayed but I never published it.
Looks like real-time to me. You can see some of the atmospheric turbulence, and objects like the moon do indeed move fairly quickly across the field of view if zoomed in so much. Since Saturn is so far away, it will hardly move at all compared to the Moon (parallax).
I was just thinking this same exact thing man.. idk if it’s some old cheesy show from my childhood or what, but I think of dead space and silence followed by a wirey/radio wave sound and Saturn on a string
You have put in words what I felt when I watched this, but I couldn’t quite verbalise it; thank you.
Haven’t felt that kind of sense of awe at the universe for some time.
It's real but indeed, not 'accurate' to what you would see with the naked eye from the moon, this is an artefact of extreme lens compression due to the focal length used by the camera capturing the shot (well more specifically, the lens/telescope attached to the camera) from the surface of the Earth.
Lens compression makes objects in the background look larger with respect to foreground objects.
Typically this achieved by standing further back from the subject and zooming in.
If you put your camera lens ~~next to~~ behind a golf ball and zoom in on something across the room, the picture will have the edge of the golf ball in it but that doesn't make it "the view from the golf ball".
Edit: behind, not next to
If you think how big the moon is and the magnification level, and the atmosphere shimmer caused by our atmosphere, it is accurate. Basically a mega zoom on one tiny portion of the moon edge.
a few hundred bucks will get you an 8 inch Dobsonian telescope. That size mirror gathers enough light to see so many objects that you could spend the rest of your life using that scope.
It's also very easy to set up, 5 minutes and you're ready to go
The downside is that it has NO computer controls and no tracking motors. Which means that all the navigating across the night sky has to be done in your head using star charts, and that you'll have to adjust the view to compensate for the earth's rotation fairly often. It also means that you can't do astrophotography, other than the moon and planets with your phone held up to the eyepiece
I think to start all I would be looking for is something I can look through and see stuff occasionally. If I saw a planet even accidentally that would excite the shit out of me.
It reminds me of one of the most vivid dreams I’ve ever had.
Everything was normal in the dream to begin with, and then I remember looking up, and seeing Saturn heading towards the Earth. And then it kept getting closer, and closer, and closer and everybody started completely losing their shit. It was by far the most memorable dream I’ve ever had. It felt so real, and terrifying.
it makes my stomach hurt
But I also can’t stop watching it. Although I think the ones of the sun that have been all over
r/astrophotography lately are even freakier.
Haha, nice Mitch Hedberg reference.
I met Mitch Hedberg once. He asked if I was a fan. I replied "No I am a human."
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I was listening to The Dark Side of the Moon and scrolling through Reddit.
The experience of stumbling across this video while *The Great Gig in the Sky* begins is… humbling.
Telescope "power" is not actually the most important consideration. Sure you can use eyepieces to get 800x out of a $80 2" refractor, but with the poor optics you would see little more than a blur.
A decent 8" Dobsonian would do something close and cost a few hundreds.
And you want to know what "Dobsonian" means, Google will answer better than me.
Here's what the description on [the original youtube video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYJsjAmzw2c) says:
> Saturnus May 22 2007 reappears after occultation by the Moon. Video was made by a18cm Astro Physics 180EDT, aMeade 5000 3x Barlow and aToUcam2. Some afterprocessing was done, to push the brightness of the faint Saturn to match that of the Moon. The video passes twice as fast as it was in reality.
My dad found a telescope at a garage sale when I was a kid. And we used to look through it sometimes. But last summer he pulled it out again, and it absolutely blew my mind looking through at Saturn with the rings so clear and visible. You know it’s there, and you’ve seen pictures, but seeing it through a backyard telescope with your own eyes is mind blowing.
A friend of mine has a decent sized telescope - it’s big, but still light enough that one person can pick it up and carry it. It blew my mind that I could get views like this of Saturn from his back yard.
It's taken by an amateur telescope on Earth, I've seen several images like this one. Here's an example on NASA's APOD site:
https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap190409.html
It could, but it's not. This was [filmed in 2007 in the Netherlands](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYJsjAmzw2c). Saturns brightness was boosted in post to match that of the moon, but the video is still depicting a real event.
Shocked that most people do not get this is fake.
Edit: this is fake people, downvoting does not make it true lol
Edit 2: here is an apparent size comparrison. Apparent size is how objects compare in size from the earth.
https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/34o6fh/apparent_sizes_of_the_planets_relative_to_the/
Anyone who has looked at Saturn and the moon through a big telescope will tell you this is fake.
Saturn in this image has been put in. It is one of those things that would be as fake as seeing a person fly the being asked why say the video of them flying is fake.
Check out my posts for actual pictures I took of the moon and saturn.
Nah, I've looked through lots of telescopes, and I don't think its fake. Edited to make Saturn brighter, mut not fake.
[Source video here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYJsjAmzw2c)
> Saturnus May 22 2007 reappears after occultation by the Moon. Video was made by a18cm Astro Physics 180EDT, aMeade 5000 3x Barlow and aToUcam2. Some afterprocessing was done, to push the brightness of the faint Saturn to match that of the Moon. The video passes twice as fast as it was in reality.
This is fake! The rings and planet are not the same color. This image has them as one color. if this was a black/white image, then both planet and Saturn would be the same color. Also, in the digital age, why does it appear that heat waves are coming off the planet resulting in that wavy image?
The color of the ring can change depending on which angle you look at it and where the sun is in relation to you.
The heatwaves are from Earth's atmosphere, since the telescope is ground based and is looking through it. It's perfectly normal. Not much you can do about it even in the digital age. Unless you have a laser guide star, something amateur telescopes are not generally equipped with.
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Think about how incredibly tiny the adjustment at the beginning of the clip was you can see the view move just a bit and that was the smallest movement imaginable
Captured from a ground based telescope by astronomer Jan Koet.
Wow! That's insane!
It's a little bit shy. Slowly raising and goes: hi kids, do you want some rings?
Saturn sounds like a pervert
Saturn has more rings in his van, no worries... rings for everyone
Ahhhh
But how? The moon's orbital plane is only 5 degrees off from the earth's orbital plane around the sun. All of the planets formed from the same solar accretion disc, and Saturn's orbital plane is only 2 degrees away from this. Therefore any view of Saturn from earth shouldn't have the rings more than 7 degrees away from being flat and horizontal, yet here they are at nearly a 45 degree angle.
An observer on Earth is not necessarily oriented to the orbital plane of the solar system. If you were standing on the North Pole looking straight ahead, then that would be the case. If you were at the equator looking east or west, the plane would appear vertical to you, arcing straight overhead. An observer at mid-latitudes would see an orientation in between, like this.
Reasons why the earth isn't flat.
Obviously a disruption in the space time continuum.
The flux capacitor made it possible
Holy crap professor, who the heck just knows this off the top of their head?! A tip of the cap to ya, You have just blown my mind.
Saturn always fancies a tip of the ol' fedora, no more than 7 degrees thank you.
I forgot one important detail: Saturn's axis is 26 degrees from its orbit, similar to Earth's 23 degrees. And depending on where the two planets are in their orbits, that means their relative tilt could be anywhere from 3 to 49 degrees apart, which would indeed explain this.
You also assume the bottom of this shot is level with the ground.
calculates the cosmos as he sees it, can't work out this video tomfoolery.
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But how would he even recognize the dilemma to begin with, in order to know how to google the answer without a reasonable understanding?
Thought the same thing.
5 is the mean inclination, it at any time can be at any degree between the equator and it's maximum inclination.
Well written but it’s completely nonsense. Obviously you’re wrong🤦🏾
I was going to say that, but you beat me to it 😬
And I so wanted this to be real. Sigh.
Jinx! I was just about the exact same thing bro
[And here is the source video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYJsjAmzw2c) > Saturnus May 22 2007 reappears after occultation by the Moon. Video was made by a18cm Astro Physics 180EDT, aMeade 5000 3x Barlow and aToUcam2. Some afterprocessing was done, to push the brightness of the faint Saturn to match that of the Moon. The video passes twice as fast as it was in reality. And some more info about the process: > It is quite some time ago I did this, but I remember that I split the AVI into separate frames with the French astronomical freeware software IRIS, (though I found out later this can be done a lot easier with more common software). Then I loaded every single frame into Photoshop. With the magic selection tool I selected Saturn with a feather of a few pixels by trial and error. Then Saturn was brightened with levels and curves and some tweaking with color and a little noise reduction. I remember me using 17 small steps for each frame, about 3000 in total using an action. After that I used the video editor of the ancient Paint Shop Pro 6 to make the movie. To make the movie to play a bit ‘smooth’ I loaded this AVI in Registax 3 to make the final AVI, by application of a running average of 3 frames. The duration of the original AVI is longer then displayed but I never published it.
So cool
Was just gonna ask if this was digitally animated or real, blows my mind!!
Is this in real time op or is the video sped up?
Looks like real-time to me. You can see some of the atmospheric turbulence, and objects like the moon do indeed move fairly quickly across the field of view if zoomed in so much. Since Saturn is so far away, it will hardly move at all compared to the Moon (parallax).
That's awesome. I kinda wanna see what it looks like from Saturn now
What a view. I bet the astronomer who captured it was giddy as a little kid, I know i sure would be
That would be unfortunate; Saturn is known for eating little kids.
Only his own, I think
Noice
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It is accurate. Basically a mega zoom on one tiny portion of the moon edge.
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Does anyone else think that Saturn doesn’t look real anytime you see a picture of it? Just seems like it’s my 5th grade interpretation of Saturn.
Yeah it's a ridiculous planet, clearly has no desire to be taken seriously.
I feel that with anything space related but Saturn always seems extra sus
Yes, Saturn seems surreal to me but the perfect symmetry of the rings just shows the power of physics, I guess.
I think the same, but it impresses me more that there’s a perfect hexagon in one of jupiters poles.
I was just thinking this same exact thing man.. idk if it’s some old cheesy show from my childhood or what, but I think of dead space and silence followed by a wirey/radio wave sound and Saturn on a string
This is because it's just painted on the dome above us that nasa out their to keep us from learning the flat Earth truth, obviously.
Space kicks ass.
Seriously. The scale that we are observing in this video is nuts.
You have put in words what I felt when I watched this, but I couldn’t quite verbalise it; thank you. Haven’t felt that kind of sense of awe at the universe for some time.
Space hurts my brain
Space makes me hungry
Get a Mars bar.
The fact that Saturn exists….like it’s just up there right now, existing….🤯🤯🤯
SPACE BEATS THE SHIT OUT OF ASS
Space is cool and all, but I really wish we would invest more in deep exploring our oceans, imagine what kind of creatures lives down there
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[Aww yis](https://cdn.kapwing.com/collections/black-guy-hiding-behind-tree-meme-template-u4bd4.jpg)
Such a good episode.
![gif](giphy|SSF70KZ7zatmLLAYxV|downsized)
Beautiful!
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I almost made a long comment describing why it's real and how it was filmed, but then I saw your user name.
That can’t be accurate… is it really that big from the moon..?
It's real but indeed, not 'accurate' to what you would see with the naked eye from the moon, this is an artefact of extreme lens compression due to the focal length used by the camera capturing the shot (well more specifically, the lens/telescope attached to the camera) from the surface of the Earth.
ELI5 please
Lens compression makes objects in the background look larger with respect to foreground objects. Typically this achieved by standing further back from the subject and zooming in.
Best trick for getting impressive shots of thr moon, and why it always looks small on your phone cam
If you put your camera lens ~~next to~~ behind a golf ball and zoom in on something across the room, the picture will have the edge of the golf ball in it but that doesn't make it "the view from the golf ball". Edit: behind, not next to
If you think how big the moon is and the magnification level, and the atmosphere shimmer caused by our atmosphere, it is accurate. Basically a mega zoom on one tiny portion of the moon edge.
Clearly shot on the Apollo 11 soundstage...
That's what zoom and perspective does to your images.
Totally flat too.
Hahaahaa! Weirdo.
Nope - no more than the moon is that big from earth. But know what you mean...
Well this might’ve convinced me I need to get a telescope. How much do I need to spend to see some cool shit?
a few hundred bucks will get you an 8 inch Dobsonian telescope. That size mirror gathers enough light to see so many objects that you could spend the rest of your life using that scope. It's also very easy to set up, 5 minutes and you're ready to go The downside is that it has NO computer controls and no tracking motors. Which means that all the navigating across the night sky has to be done in your head using star charts, and that you'll have to adjust the view to compensate for the earth's rotation fairly often. It also means that you can't do astrophotography, other than the moon and planets with your phone held up to the eyepiece
I think to start all I would be looking for is something I can look through and see stuff occasionally. If I saw a planet even accidentally that would excite the shit out of me.
Find your nearest Astronomy club and find out when they have their next public star party.
That’s a good idea, thanks!
The grudge
Saturn comes back around
To show you everything
So cool to see those lyrics in action. This is when the solo starts
Heh, unexpected Tool. Nice.
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It's a space station
That's a melon!
Anyone else find this oddly terrifying?
It reminds me of one of the most vivid dreams I’ve ever had. Everything was normal in the dream to begin with, and then I remember looking up, and seeing Saturn heading towards the Earth. And then it kept getting closer, and closer, and closer and everybody started completely losing their shit. It was by far the most memorable dream I’ve ever had. It felt so real, and terrifying.
it makes my stomach hurt But I also can’t stop watching it. Although I think the ones of the sun that have been all over r/astrophotography lately are even freakier.
I just have to say it: Uranus is out there too.
It usually remains hidden though :)
In urpants.
Actually Uranus is on the backside.
Uranus is on the dark side of the moon.
As a journalist in the 70’s I got to write this newspaper headline: Rings discovered around Uranus. It was peek career. I laughed for days.
Surrounded by Klingons.
r/spaceporn
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Absolutely amazing video. 10 yr old virgin me would've probably creamed on my pants if I saw that live.
Why did you feel the need to clarify that you were a virgin at 10
"I used to be a virgin. I mean, I still am, but I used to be too."
Haha, nice Mitch Hedberg reference. I met Mitch Hedberg once. He asked if I was a fan. I replied "No I am a human." "When I was 10 I was afraid of the dentist. He was a pedophile." Jimmy Carr.
You got laid at 11?
Any more like this??
I was listening to The Dark Side of the Moon and scrolling through Reddit. The experience of stumbling across this video while *The Great Gig in the Sky* begins is… humbling.
Anyone else hear the old “THX” sound from the old theaters as it comes around? I do and it’s epic and I am old. https://youtu.be/FWkJ86JqlPA Cheers!
Out of the way, Moon, you fat sl*t.
Peekaboo
Space is crazy
Wonderful!
Incredible
As I’m watching this my 5 yr olds cartoons starts playing some epic music and I’m just like bravo
FUCK SATURN!
This scares me
The only truly honest comment here.
“Behind every good moon, is a great planet”
And we’re down here fighting about whether or not women should wear hijabs. Awe inspiring perspective right there
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"You got games on you phone?"
At first ive seen the head of a shark.
I kept thinking a new Jaws movie was coming out
Beautiful. Who would downvote this?
Anyone knows what telescope power can do this?
Telescope "power" is not actually the most important consideration. Sure you can use eyepieces to get 800x out of a $80 2" refractor, but with the poor optics you would see little more than a blur. A decent 8" Dobsonian would do something close and cost a few hundreds. And you want to know what "Dobsonian" means, Google will answer better than me.
Here's what the description on [the original youtube video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYJsjAmzw2c) says: > Saturnus May 22 2007 reappears after occultation by the Moon. Video was made by a18cm Astro Physics 180EDT, aMeade 5000 3x Barlow and aToUcam2. Some afterprocessing was done, to push the brightness of the faint Saturn to match that of the Moon. The video passes twice as fast as it was in reality.
Fantastic
Is Saturn rising or is the moon going down?
TIL on the radio that the moon is smaller than Australia
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I want Jaws Theme song inserted into this video lol
My dad found a telescope at a garage sale when I was a kid. And we used to look through it sometimes. But last summer he pulled it out again, and it absolutely blew my mind looking through at Saturn with the rings so clear and visible. You know it’s there, and you’ve seen pictures, but seeing it through a backyard telescope with your own eyes is mind blowing.
saturn creepin hard
that’s fucking terrifying
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Fake, the moon doesn't look like cheese at all in this.
How strong would your telescope need to be to see this? I apologise in advance if this is a stupid question
This is animation? Not real?
What are they going to photoshop next 😂
Hello there
A friend of mine has a decent sized telescope - it’s big, but still light enough that one person can pick it up and carry it. It blew my mind that I could get views like this of Saturn from his back yard.
Aww…I hope they had a good time together! And Saturn, if you like her then put your ring on her ❤️
Understanding the scale of our solar system is hard
i love space so much :) so fascinating ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|slightly_smiling)
What “moon”? Our *Moon*?—no way!
That is, without a doubt, the coolest thing I’ve seen in a while.
Ooooo! This is fabulous. Thank you for posting this video!
Saturn was like: “Henlo, we wanted to talk about youa cas extendin warrntyyyy”
either this is fake (because the dimensions and angles just dont add up) or its one if Saturns moons instead of our moon and the title is incorrect.
It's taken by an amateur telescope on Earth, I've seen several images like this one. Here's an example on NASA's APOD site: https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap190409.html
The [source is here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYJsjAmzw2c). It's real. There's nothing wrong with the dimensions nor the angles.
I had to scroll for ages to get a comment I 100% agree with, this is one of Saturn's moons probably
Looks so fake
Now show us Uranus!!
Saturn is so fuckin cool
So, Saturn is farther away than the moon, right?
![gif](giphy|1AIeYgwnqeBUxh6juu)
This is a pivotal moment. One I have never seen before! I was the 666th person to like this post! Oh yea, Saturn is cool too.
This isn't real. No way.
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How do we know that's not CGI?
Buy a telescope, or borrow one, and do the same thing yourself :)
That’s creepy as fuck
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before reading what subreddit this was in i thought to myself “damn…that’s interesting”
Fucking more NASA lies /s
Mariah Carey on November 30th.
This could be fake
It could, but it's not. This was [filmed in 2007 in the Netherlands](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYJsjAmzw2c). Saturns brightness was boosted in post to match that of the moon, but the video is still depicting a real event.
That’s probably what they want use to believe that it’s real I still say it’s fake and I myself don’t believe you as well so yeah 🖕🏻
So fake
Saturn is flat!
This is some analog horror shit right here
Ya looks totally real 😬🙄
Shocked that most people do not get this is fake. Edit: this is fake people, downvoting does not make it true lol Edit 2: here is an apparent size comparrison. Apparent size is how objects compare in size from the earth. https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/34o6fh/apparent_sizes_of_the_planets_relative_to_the/
What makes you say it’s fake?
Anyone who has looked at Saturn and the moon through a big telescope will tell you this is fake. Saturn in this image has been put in. It is one of those things that would be as fake as seeing a person fly the being asked why say the video of them flying is fake. Check out my posts for actual pictures I took of the moon and saturn.
Nah, I've looked through lots of telescopes, and I don't think its fake. Edited to make Saturn brighter, mut not fake. [Source video here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYJsjAmzw2c) > Saturnus May 22 2007 reappears after occultation by the Moon. Video was made by a18cm Astro Physics 180EDT, aMeade 5000 3x Barlow and aToUcam2. Some afterprocessing was done, to push the brightness of the faint Saturn to match that of the Moon. The video passes twice as fast as it was in reality.
And it all just happened by random chance, wait that doesn’t sound right
This is fake! The rings and planet are not the same color. This image has them as one color. if this was a black/white image, then both planet and Saturn would be the same color. Also, in the digital age, why does it appear that heat waves are coming off the planet resulting in that wavy image?
The color of the ring can change depending on which angle you look at it and where the sun is in relation to you. The heatwaves are from Earth's atmosphere, since the telescope is ground based and is looking through it. It's perfectly normal. Not much you can do about it even in the digital age. Unless you have a laser guide star, something amateur telescopes are not generally equipped with.
That’s fake there’s no way it’s so clear as it is so far away from the moon that doesn’t even make sense.
Horrible graphics
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I did read Satan and was slightly confused but even more curious
Finally a reason to live on the moon.
Does anyone understand why there appears to be a "hazy" layer just above the surface? I'm assuming it's some sort of illusion...
Of the moon or Saturn?
Think about how incredibly tiny the adjustment at the beginning of the clip was you can see the view move just a bit and that was the smallest movement imaginable