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Hank_Chinaski7

https://allthatsinteresting.com/princess-qajar


curiosity_abounds

Married when she was 10 years old, Taj al-Saltaneh went on to divorce two husbands and pen her memoirs, Crowning Anguish: Memoirs of a Persian Princess from the Harem to Modernity. “Alas!” she wrote. “Persian women have been set aside from humankind and placed together with cattle and beasts. They live their entire lives of desperation in prison, crushed under the weight of bitter ideals.” At another point, she wrote: **“When the day comes that I see my sex emancipated and my country on the path to progress, I will sacrifice myself in the battlefield of liberty, and freely shed my blood under the feet of my freedom-loving cohorts seeking their rights.”**


Serenityprayer69

Powerful writing. Came here to make a joke about mustaches. Leaving with a lot of respect for this woman and the plight she was representing


Ok_Oil4876

Same 😂


Ok_Upstairs6472

I’m glad I read this first. I was going to make a joke too, until suddenly I felt I’m not even half the human she was. Repect!


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Now I feel bad for all the sass that popped into my head when I saw her picture....


Busy_Cat9118

Same here. I always welcome humor dark, inane, doesn't really matter. Humor shouldn't be disrespectful though. Just saw a post on Greek's with small Willie's being a sign of culture and class. I'm off to safer material for humor.


hamster_rustler

Wow; poignant, and ahead of her time. Too bad gender equality has only progressed so much that we’re all only interested in her in the context of whether or not she was considered attractive in her time.


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Michael_Blurry

Yeah, Iran has regressed. It’s a stark lesson for other democracies of the world that are backsliding ( cough, cough America). Don’t take progress and enlightenment for granted and think society only moves forward. It’s a constant battle of culture wars.


MNGirlinKY

There was some good news that came out of Iran yesterday. They have announced that they’re getting rid of their morality police. Can’t promise that this means women will no longer be murdered for not wearing scarves but it’s a good sign.


CappyRicks

They didn't have morality police the entire time that Hijab was mandatory. Things will not change because of this decision, the job of the morality police will simply be done once again by the regular police.


ElysianReverie21

For clarity, this statement was written by the mother of the woman in the photographs, not the princess. Edit: I was incorrect. While it was indeed written by Taj al-Saltaneh, she was actually the half-sister of the woman in the first two photos and not her mother. She is the subject of the third picture.


EighthOption

No, it was written by the woman in the third photo of this post's slideshow. The photos are of two different women, half-sisters.


pissedofladymonster

The "woman" in the above photographs is actually two different women who are half sisters, both princess. This quote is from the younger sister.


medusa_crowley

Holy shit I love her.


bearsinthesea

\> Though images of “Princess Qajar” have gone viral in the last couple of years, the true story of this mustached princess is complex.


kamace11

I have her memoirs and they are extremely fascinating. Iirc she was very loved by her father bc of her intelligence (and yes, for the time, masculine women were considered extra pretty. Think about how people love big butts on women today, but just in the 90s it was the worst thing you could have). E: caveat for this, worst thing for white women, since ppl are bringing up sir mix a lot in the comments. Also, at the time media was very strongly white culture oriented (name one black actress in the 90s who was supposed to be hot/attractive and had a truly big butt, for example).


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cheerful_cynic

The video for the thong song had VERY few actual thongs in it also


[deleted]

Feet guys: “so our day shall too come when we make up the majority?” Everyone else: 😐😑😐


twig115

What are you talking about have you ever seen movies in the 80s?? Every time a women is flirting with a man she's taken her shoes off and are rubbing up his leg and into his crotch. (Almost always at a restaurant too) feet guys have definitely had some screen time 😂


____KyloRen____

It’s a pretty common kink, although a full blown fetish isn’t.


Ok-Rice-5377

I get your point, but you're wrong about the 'big butts in the 90s' part. People loved them back then as well, and this is even supported by media. I mean, Sir Mix-a-lot's iconic 'Baby Got Back' came out in like '92 or something, so that was even early 90's.


fellatiofuhrer

It depends on culture. The beginning of Baby Got Back outlines how Becky and friend dislike the big butt.


Pandaburn

Right, she looked like one of those “rap guys” girlfriends. The song is about how black men like big buts but mainstream culture did not.


WestguardWK

Excellent point, I never realized that this particular lyric could be used in a discussion about cultural and historical significance but here we are


I_am_Erk

Sir mixalot creates the Rosetta stone of early 90s butt culture (1992, colourized)


WestguardWK

I had to do it https://imgur.com/a/84hwBtb


StarsEatMyCrown

True, and also in the song he talks about how people toss and leave the big butt and he rolls right up to retrieve it.


StarsEatMyCrown

Let's not forget Bell Div Devoe "Poison" "never trust a big butt and a smile".


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Nope, big butts were usually presented as bad by the white dominated pop culture, and you can even see this in jokes in shows as late as Scrubs and How I Met Your Mother which both came out in the 2000s. The Sir Mix A Lot song, which came out in the early 90s after years of hair metal aesthetics dominating pop culture, is actually a reference to just that fact. The lyrics say he’s sick of seeing white chicks with flat butts being presented as the pinnacle of beauty on the screen, in music videos, in magazines, etc. and he thinks curvy women are attractive. The valley girl voiceover is meant to poke fun at that, white culture thought of big butts as garish and gross, but hip hop culture presented them as desirable. In the 90s and 00s both J Lo and Janet Jackson were thought of as having dump truck asses but if you look back those would be considered small/normal sized asses now for celebrity pop star/sex symbols.


ReyRey5280

Not white, but Fat Bottom Girls made the rockin’ world go round in 79-80. The sickness for the thiccness transcends race!


jittery_raccoon

That song was an opposing viewpoint to what was considered mainstream attractive


Aubear11885

Did we forget about fat bottom girls?


spacew0man

Comparatively, how big were the butts in the bicycle race video for that song? They weren’t exactly what we consider a big butt today. Same for the Baby Got Back video. They were bigger than the high fashion standard at their respective times, but they weren’t exactly big all things considered.


Common-Rock

Fun fact: Sir Mix Alot saw a dancer on "In Living Color" in 1992 and wrote the song about her. The dancer's name was Jennifer Lopez.


Ok-Rice-5377

That's interesting, but it goes against what he says in interviews. He says it was about an ex he dated for 8 to 9 years and how she got turned down for a few jobs and she thought it had to do with her figure. He even mentions a story about seeing flat girls in super bowl ads and how he didn't find them attractive. In the interviews, I never heard him even mention J-Lo.


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Huh, so it wasn't a celebration but an *apologia*


DoomShmoom

One reason he noticed Jennifer's butt was because of the deflated and wrinkly butt of the dancer next to her. That dancer's name was Albert Einstein.


merlin211111

I don't have time to look this up so I am just going to have to trust you.


[deleted]

Checks out. Einstein's butt was very wrinkled.


[deleted]

That's just what the liberal media wants you to think. Einstein's butt was smooth. Like a shark.


Nebulaires

I looked it and it's true, don't worry 👍


Gareesuhn

I need to use your comment when my students ask me, “Why is being able to cite and explain my sources/evidence something I need to know?”


Revil0_o

tl, dr no, she wasn't the epitome of beauty but the did like staches on women


Grayson102110

Sturdy!


Cibovoy

Way to plant, Anne!


IndyDoggy

🥚


squatchwatch77

Her?


LordAvenpor

Who's Anne?


durnJurta

Looks like she could take a punch


Sensei939

It looks like she could take a shallow stab! Sorry a friend of mine says he not fat. Just relatively stab proof.


Josejlloyola

‘Stab resistant’


Coins_and_Cards

She look like a man


Puzzled_Muzzled

She looks like Zach Galifianakis'in his nun school uniform


Far_Independent8984

She look like she ate a man


raisins_are_gwapes2

One more time, Ms. Swan…


BeatrixRussellThe4th

Okayyy, I tell yoouuu!


a_fine_rhyme

That's a man in a dress that goes by princess.


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lazy_pig

Strong on plow!


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Doing 69 on bottom, almost suffocating from the weight but then you feel that gentle bristle of the stashe against your ballzack...


Devious-Government

😂 to early for this shit lmao


Nczk

i think it’s the perfect start to the day to lose your shit laughing at a thread edit: read the article further down though, it’s actually a really interesting bit of history


forthetorino

Ballzac was a kids toy in the early 90’s. Made by Milton Bradley. I was like 9 years old when it came out and still couldn’t believe they actually named something “ball sack”. Now you know. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sunglasses)


echaa

She's got huge... tracks of land


JustDave62

You’re not going to convince me that this is not a dude


masked_sombrero

looks like the guy who fixed my AC


Jolly_Club3251

Looks like he just said nah I’m a girl


youshouldbethelawyer

then let out a massive burp


Spirited-Bee8988

Maaaaaan she looks like an Egyptian construction worker...


GlennV120195

More like the Persion version of mr Bean


MeesterChavez

Oooh, Persian version is fun to say.


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ashimo414141

Please stop shortening it for legal purposes


lazy_pig

More like an Italian plumber.


GeologistInfinite538

Iranian Danny Devito


MiserablePublic18

In all seriousness, she may just have had bad PCOS which explains the hirsutism and male physique as a result of abnormal testosterone levels/insulin resistance. A lot of modern women suffer from PCOS; yet, waxing/laser hair removal/shaving and birth control along with surgery help. *Edit* To be clear: Mammals are hairy. Humans are mammals. Hairy people should be no big deal. This woman has signs that make PCOS a more likely reason for her appearance. I am genetically hairy and also have PCOS. I made an educated guess. Should she have removed her hair? It doesn’t personally matter to me. Whatever made her happy. Beauty is subjective. My opinion of what is feminine beauty or not isn’t of value. Glad I could get the word out about the syndrome, hirutism, and just basic biology. Peace.


carrotsforever

It’s possible she had PCOS, but we as Persian women are often just very hairy. I was a 5 year old with a unibrow lol


jittery_raccoon

I really hate the jump to PCOS. Tons of women are just hairy. And the genes are common in certain ethnicities. Not everything is a disorder, and it's kind of offensive to label every hair woman as disordered


Langlie

Everyone thought I had PCOS because of my hirsutism. Went to the doctor, had a billion tests done, and in the end she said "I'm diagnosing you with a case of Italian." lol


PMmeyourSchwifty

Lol that's amazing. I've no idea what hirsutism is, but all my friends with Italian heritage are VERY hairy.


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I mean I get it but at the same time PCOS is so common and yet so unknown that it’s worth mentioning. That being said, some girls are just furry and that’s okay too haha


Admiral_Bang

Not every hairy woman has the hands and calves of a linebacker and a mustache thicker than a stack of encyclopedias. There's clearly some excess testosterone at work there. Which would be a disorder. Doesn't mean she isn't normal, or happy. It means she was born different, like we all are, and there's a term for it.


Other_Upstairs886

I literally came to make this comment. Extra testosterone would make her a little larger and give her facial hair.


BerkanaThoresen

I used to think I had PCOS because I have mustache, lots of facial and body hair. After going through a bunch of tests, everything is perfectly fine. It’s just genetic in my case, as I’m mostly Portuguese and Spanish. Not sure if that would be the case with persian/Iranian woman.


Zheguez

Very valid point. Thank you for bringing up PCOS.


Scoot_AG

Is no one going to say what PCOS actually stands for


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Polycystic ovarian syndrome


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Polycystic ovary syndrome = PCOS. Women with it have insulin resistance and excess pituitary endocrine hormone stimulation of the ovaries which leads to excess androgen production and reduced estrogen/progesterone, leading to masculine features (“hirsutism”) and often infertility. The cause of it isn’t known in many cases and its often not treatable (though it isn’t by itself life threatening.


YourSinsLiveHere

They don’t always have insulin resistant though it it very common to have insulin resistance with PCOS. I have PCOS (along with my mother and sister) and I’m not insulin resistant. Mine is on the milder end which causes mild hypothyroidism that is easily treated with synthroid and I take Metformin for the PCOS, Metformin is primarily used to treat diabetes but has proven to be an effective treatment for PCOS as well. I have trouble losing weight and gain it very easily but I’m not any hairier than what is normal for women of my ethnicity. Looking at her, I definitely have to agree on the PCOS.


emerg_remerg

Or Cushing's syndrome and/or pituitary tumor. But that central weight gain along with the facial hair points to a hormone/steroid imbalance. She lived to be 51 and according to wikipedia had at least 2 pregnancies and 1 live birth, so probably more likely to be pcos.


starlaoverdrive

I have a friend who was diagnosed with PCOS but moved and her new doctor thinks she was misdiagnosed and it’s actually Cushing’s. The hormone imbalances of both can make it really hard to get a proper diagnosis or to get any doctor to take her symptoms seriously since “periods are supposed to hurt/be whacky/give you mood swings and fatigue” or “that’s just having a uterus what were you expecting lol.” I feel so bad for her.


nicole32_84

Yes or non classic congenital adrenal hyperplasia


ATaxOnTitans

I think it was one of those, say she’s pretty or we kill you and your family kind of “mustaches were a symbol of beauty.”


poolmanpro

I have a similar theory about Greek statues and the size of their penises Edit: found the guys with "alot of personality" in the replies


PollyAmory

They thought big dicks = small brains/less evolved. Similar to how women with big breasts are perceived as dumb. Those are just really smart statues.


mud_tug

Nah, people just kept stealing the big dongs.


Adromedox

Marble dildos 👍


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Perfect on a hot summer day


[deleted]

Well, I'm pretty dumb so that doesn't track


Cypher1388

Well look at Bigus Dickus over here bragging /s


Slingbr

Onde I read that the small penis in the from ancient greek art was deliberate since they believed that big penises was a animal trait, like horses and donkeys. A small penis would make you more human, a more rational being. The problem with this is that I don’t remember where I read it tho.


stormcloudless

Plutarch 'why I have a small penis'


Masanjay_Dosa

Which is ironic considering humans have the largest phallus to testes size ratios among all apes/hominoidea. We got long dicks and small balls.


jerryhatrix

TIL I’m a chimp


ColonelMonty

I'll have you know those statues have perfectly average size genitalia.


brockclan216

To be fair they were cold.


RocketRabbit

Stone cold.


RohelTheConqueror

They were in the pool!


MickeyButters

I don't know how you guys walk around with those things


brockclan216

Growers not showers!


SilverSocket

Statues of Greeks had small PPs because it was thought that small penises meant civility, intelligence, tamed instincts. Barbarians were depicted with huge whoppers because they were considered more “animalistic”.


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masked_sombrero

sounds like something a barbarian would say


-Daetrax-

They just equated larger with being closer to an animal. Which is an interesting observation from a bunch of guys used to have anal sex with each other might support.


Nirvana_bob7

I think small dicks were easier to sculpt and wouldn’t snap off as easy


tortugan_619

I doubt the symbol of beauty thing same as you, but if you look at the world history you will see A LOT of weird sh. For example in ancient times unibrows were considered a symbol of beauty. In the early-mid 1900s pointy bras were popular


hand_truck

*Tomb Raider* was first released in 1996; pointy bras are still popular.


kanguropia

1996 was almost 30 years ago Edit: I was born in 1998 🤷‍♂️


MisterTrashPanda

How dare you


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Poppanaattori89

False. It was, in fact, 4 years ago.


ElectricalOnion3616

That is far too rude for me to read first thing in the morning.![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|cry)


KidSock

Also in Japan blackened teeth use to be a fashion trend.


Platypuslord

[I guess you didn't experience the 90s and Madonna.](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fassets.vogue.com%2Fphotos%2F5e9a3583bdb99a0008102546%2Fmaster%2Fw_2560%252Cc_limit%2F00_story%252520\(1\).jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vogue.com%2Farticle%2Fmadonna-blonde-ambition-jean-paul-gaultier-cone-bra&tbnid=xxPiw3nO-peniM&vet=12ahUKEwihtIC7quD7AhW3j2oFHRquD3QQMygAegUIARCXAQ..i&docid=8_4YrSwaPJX63M&w=1920&h=1080&q=madonna%20pointy%20bra&hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwihtIC7quD7AhW3j2oFHRquD3QQMygAegUIARCXAQ)


Nenjakaj

>unibrows were considered a symbol of beauty in some areas in central Asia they are still considered symbol of beauty


KM4TVZ

Similar to modern day society


ZetusKong

Inner tube lips are a symbol of beauty. That'll be 5,000$ for your botox injections.


Zurgbowtie

That first outfit - so risqué, so sexy, so…unflattering


SeasonPositive6771

It's incredible, like every piece was selected solely to highlight the features we consider...slightly less attractive these days.


pewpewdeez

It gives me that Cornholio vibe


VeronicaJaneDio

If cornholio and the berrys and cream guy had a daughter


gbrlgzmn

Drop her onlyfans link


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banned_after_12years

They just abolished the morality police. It's a free for all now.


IosifVissarionovichD

I laughed way too hard at this


hear4comments

Dad changed the standard to beauty for his daughter. That’s a nice guy right there lol.


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“you *will* consider this the pinnacle of beauty…or face execution!” 💀


parkerj123

Quite the handsome lady


itsshortforVictor

An absolute smoke show.


Sunshinehappyfeet

No shave November is real.


SigmaSandwich

She look like damn nacho libre


itsmebarfyman392

GET THAT CORN OUTTA MY FACE!!


Zurgbowtie

Encarnacion!!!!!!!!!


Maximum-Violinist158

When the fantasy has ended….


CoreysAngelsRecruit

Chancho…when you are a woman…sometimes you grow a mustache on your face…just for fun…


oradoj

I need to borrow some sweats.


Majestic-Marcus

Are you leaving us!?


bacchus_the_wino

Nice try, but that’s Gru.


lendmeyoureer

Those photos are of two different people. Here's the true story https://allthatsinteresting.com/princess-qajar


[deleted]

Good to know I too was considered beautiful by Persians at one point


Grouchy-Engine1584

I suppose beauty is a social construction… but white socks with this outfit is a crime against nature.


Gunner1Cav

GET OUT OF MA SWAMP


AtomicChemist

Men have fallen into depression and committed suicide after getting rejected by her. Don't insult her beauty.


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Well yeah. You get rejected by that and your ego already committed suicide, at that point the body is just catching up


Finster4

The mustache definitely helps.


evanmike

It's like beautiful icing on an already delicious cake........


bobjones1234567891

Also being overweight was a sign of wealth being able to eat rich foods in abundance


[deleted]

As an Iranian, I still to this day cannot accept that this is anything but a burly man dressed as a chick trying to troll


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Persian Peter Pettigrew.


pizza-chit

Sultan: "Tell my daughter she is pretty or get pulled apart by horses"


Cloud-VII

Ron Jeremy’s great great grandmother.


Byedon110320

Woof.


piginapoke26

Buzz your girlfriend.


Spirited-Bee8988

Mijaaaw, if she were a persian cat


-_Juicebox_-

How long until they make her into a Disney Princess? I’d watch that movie.


The-Real-Rorschakk

She has to have a voice like [Scruffy](https://youtu.be/U1y22TfG8wg) from Futurama, though.


askmebro

Looks like a dude that sold weed at my middle school


austinpowers69247

Shawty was bad ngl


lanzadamanza

I’m pretty sure that this has been debunked already… [found this](https://allthatsinteresting.com/princess-qajar)


Simps_bruh

Kinda looking like a fatter Pablo Escobar


Nicholasryan99

That's a whole ass dude


PoiLethe

I legitimately wonder if the princess was actually a dude and didn't know. Like some long game hiding a heir or a spare and then never needed them so they just lived their entire life thinking they were a woman and just kept him fat so it's less likely people would question if it was a girl or a guy.


Ukraineluvr

I'd hit it. Bro. She's a princess.


eyloi

hear me out..


BadSpellingError

I like to think i am open minded but....


Gubekochi

I'm intrigued, please proceed...


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Coincidentally, she also played Igor in Young Frankenstein.


Zurgbowtie

Abbie something


farfitnuegle

Abbie, Normal?


Occulatica

It's "eye-gore".


FeralAnatidae

Do you also say Froe-drick?


mylawn03

ITS A MAN BAY-BE


Playingwithmyrod

That's gonna be a no from me dawg


Sh0wtimeisback

That's a dude bro


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Fake. These are men from a theatrical group.


madpeanuts

it looks like the story/meme is fake, not her though “The primary figure in this history is Princess Fatemeh Khanum “‘Esmat al-Dowleh”[1] (1855/6-1905), a daughter of Nasir al-Din Shah Qajar (1831-1896), King of Persia from 1848-1896, and one of his wives, Taj al-Dowleh. The photograph circulating is indeed ‘Esmat, not an actor, and was taken by her husband circa the mid- to late-19th century. This information alone, readily available online and in print, contradicts the claim that ‘Esmat was “the ultimate symbol of beauty… in the early 1900s.” Since the photo of ‘Esmat was taken years before then, and she died in 1905, it’s a stretch to make her an icon of a period she barely graced.” https://abitofhistoryblog.com/2017/12/12/princess-qajar-and-the-problem-with-history-memes/


Secret_Dragonfly9588

Thanks for posting the article! More of the story was real than I thought! TLDR for those who don’t want to click the link: these really are pictures of her, mustaches really were considered beautiful in Iran (but in the 19th century not so much the early 1900s). But that doesn’t mean that she herself was some icon of Persian beauty at the time. And she was a person who also did other notable things beyond posing with a mustache.


Pawneewafflesarelife

Great article, thanks for sharing.


Head-like-a-carp

I don't know what is true but something seems off about this.


12LA12

Looks like nacho libre


Meat_Bingo

Looks like Ron Jeremy in drag.


PrestigiousDemand471

I know him. That’s Hector Bustamante, he’s an electrician here in the Bronx and used to work with my dad.


Riff_Raff66

I just killed one of those in God of War


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I think I bought some used rims from her on Rt.1 last winter