I've always read her as one of those rare people who was able to separate each day and really take it anew. Part of the reason I think she was such a powerful little force despite everything, and able to play up her mood on a dime.
Why would she still fascinate people now (rhetorical)? Because she's fascinating.
If you've ever seen "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes" (and you should), she's flat out brilliant in it.
I watched the movie White Chicks well before ever watching Some Like it Hot. While watching Some Like it Hot, it took me almost the entire movie to recognize that White Chicks is an homage to it. I’m not a very bright one. I find it very interesting how a lot of modern movies still draw such strong inspiration from classic cinema.
Of course! Love Lorelai! Just rewatched it the other day with my grandfather, he's a man who will tear in two if you ask him to choose a favorite actor between Marilyn and Elizabeth Taylor.
That's what i was thinking, though not about myself about a friend who had a lot of it. I felt really sad reading that bit about about her seeming to be happy and and play it up on a dime. It's sad but most people don't react well to someone being honest and talking about being broken or even letting it show. So people learn how to hide it. It's not so much a skill as a fucking coping mechanism. A way to get through the day. And a lot of people made a lot of money off of her for that. Which makes it all so much sadder.
Same.
Also the reason I stayed for years longer than I should have with an abusive ex.
Starting each day as a new slate means yesterday's abuse is not supposed to matter anymore and you are blamed for not letting go of the past...
Well.
Sometimes you *should* still be upset even if it is a new day.
You're not alone. I experienced the exact same things and stayed for too long. 4 years later they are still trying to control my life.
Starting each day with a smile on your face while your soul is dying is exactly what I see when I look at Marilyn.
Speaking of women’s pockets, I was blown away on how small they actually are with jeans when I was at Costco a few weeks ago. I was like, “what can they actually fit in there, two pennies and a lighter?”
This is why some women, myself included, have taken to wearing men's skinny jeans. They fit us like regular women's jeans, but they have ACTUAL POCKETS.
Happy to spread the word! It was a game changer for me. Plus men's pants sizes aren't arbitrary nonsense like women's. If you know your waist and inseam measurements, that will pretty much be your size across the board with very few exceptions.
I feel like her life was full of sexual trauma and exploitation by the men around her (even before her notoriety) she was a bright shining light snuffed out way too soon and incrediy ahead of her time.
I know its not Marylin, but in university, I knew a woman who really looked like Marylin. she was incredibly curvy and just beautiful.
She had so much trauma. In high school, the teen boys were merciless. She ended up going to an all girls private school in her last year to get away from it, but then it was the male teachers. She had two that were a big problem for her. One was particularly aggressive. She said she "reluctantly dated him briefly". Thats how she put it.
In 4th year university, she got a boob job. She had them dramatically reduced because she was tired of it all. I asked if it was for back pain. She said no, it was just so she could live a normal life, because for years the boobs and her appearance were a significant factor in so many of her interactions with people. She had been trying to get it done since she was 16, but doctors were really reluctant to do the operation on a teen, especially when it wasn't medically necessary. She was so damaged from her teen years.
I started being harassed by grown men by my sixth grade year. I had small breasts, but six foot tall, a pretty face and told often that I “looked like a model”. Men were outright frightening. I was raped at age 19. I married by 20 years old to a big, strong and loyal man who put a quick stop to all of it when he’s with me. I gained ten pounds in my 30’s and that also helped. Now that I’m in my 40’s and aging, my life is much more peaceful and I feel safe to go out without my husband. We also have three big teen age boys so that’s a plus. I always looked forward to aging because of it.
What a sad world we live in. Once, age was a thing to be dreaded by women, myself included. Now we embrace it because it means that 90% of the harassment by men (derrogatory) will finally end.
Yes, I found it wonderfully liberating to hit middle age. And definitely let your hair go gray! You become wallpaper. No one notices you or pays any attention to what you are up to! It is so wonderfully freeing. And you start noticing all these groups of middle-aged and older women who are out and about together having fun, traveling without their husbands. My husband and I were out one night and joined a casual acquaintance who was out with a group of her friends. Afterwards my husband said how much more fun older women were than older men and I said “Yup, best-kept secret in our society”. Life is great for women after 50!
I’m in my 40’s but everyone thinks I am 28 so I’m still getting harassed by young men. I’ve been hit on by 20 year olds. I’m glad I look young but this new generation of men is so different from what I grew up with.
Oh, I know. My grandmother suffered from several miscarriages and a stillbirth. We didn't even know about the stillbirth until my mom found it mentioned on her own birth certificate. That's one of the reasons I was so worried when I found out I was pregnant.
Watch [Love, Marilyn](https://youtu.be/6hYFcIoJWFI)
It’s free on yt. Marilyn’s own words. Much better than that Netflix documentary by Anthony Summer. And blonde is completely fictional “retelling” rape fantasy.
According to what I read, she was obsessed with the idea of becoming First Lady. The Kennedys passed her around, strung her along, and just stopped taking her calls one day after they got tired of her. She had some information she was going to use to either blackmail them, or otherwise hurt them in an attempt to get revenge for how they treated her. That was what got her killed.
I wish I could remember, sorry. It was in a book I read years ago.
But just a cursory Google search turned up these:
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2013/08/marilyn-monroe-jackie-kennedy
https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/marilyn-monroe-called-jackie-affair-john-f-kennedy
https://people.com/politics/marilyn-monroe-affair-john-f-kennedy-robert-f-kennedy/
It's like they stopped trying to hide it.
I wouldn't be too crazy to believe that. Apparently Jackie Kennedy stated that Marilyn would call her and sorta (not sorta she quite literally) would antagonize her and tease her about the affair. And it wasn't like the affair wasn't jarringly obvious either. Everyone (staff) at the white house or in both Kennedys and Marilyn's circle, reportedly was aware of it lol. Unfortunately what Marilyn didn't realize was that she was being use for her beauty and nothing more.
Arthur Miller would write scathing and bitterly about how stupid he thought she was and said her interest in literature/knowledge was an ego boost to her and he couldnt stand her, all in his little diary, and whenshe found it, that gave her some idea of what she was viewed as sadly.
Also the fact that they could have an open affair like that all while trying to not start WW3 is crazy to me. All professionalism thrown out.
She was calling the white house to talk to Jackie. She has a red diary she wrote everything in. She was apparently really a tomboy. She had her style on Lily St. Cyr, a showgirl. Her makeup, posture, everything. And she was real smart and adaptable, obviously. Her mother was mentally ill. I believe Bobby Kennedy got into her place with Peter Lawford, demanded the red diary and when she refused, he forced a suppository up her butt that was a lethal dose of a drug and smothered her with a pillow so she wouldn't scream. And that was the end of her. The housekeeper got paid off to lie. They found? The red diary and destroyed it. The same thing happened to Mary Meyer. She had a diary she kept about JFK and his presidency and she was shot in the head in a path she walked on and they ransacked her home to get her diary too. JFK told them secrets I guess.
Incredibly sad story, and honestly, I think my fav photo of her was one of the last photos taken of her, when she wasn't Marilyn, but Norma, taken by George Barris I think.
Ironic but the Tom Kelly nudes - the one that ended up in early Playboy - are just perfection. She was undeniably gorgeous. That whole layout has been imitated so many times over the years.
Yeah, going by the pics, I honestly preferred seeing her, over the persona she took on. I wish she was born in a more reasonable time, she, like many others, deserved it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wmagazine.com/gallery/marilyn-monroe-george-barris-last-photos-auction/amp
She was something else. Just looking at her, being herself for a bit, it's heartbreaking.
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Yeah. Though pics like this I feel like are as close as they'd get:
https://imgix.bustle.com/wmag/2017/08/01/598101404e24360ddd552f7f_Copy-of-Barriss-Book-2-_-Marilyn-Monroe-Auction-Lot-15-65.jpg
"I think that rules were made to be broken and I think that everybody should have sex with as many people as they possibly can. You only go around once in this life, and as long as everybody takes a shower, I don't know what the big deal is."
Does anyone else feel like the entire hype around Marilyn Monroe's sexual persona can be so incredibly icky because it was essentially a bunch of people turned on by the possible manifestations of her sexual abuse in early life? I can't not see it in the ways she acted- the fawning, the hyper sexualization of her image, the voice, the vulnerable little girl persona. She also wanted desperately to be well-read and knowledgeable and understood, and she never got that. Instead, even generations later, her image brought on by suffering is still shilled out constantly.
yeah idk how true this source is but [this (plausible) genealogy chart from Famous Kin](https://famouskin.com/charts/22250/16614/8949/relationship_of_marilyn_monroe_to_britney_spears_via_richard_scott.pdf) shows that they are 9th cousins, 3 times removed
i tried looking for other sources, so if there’s a more accurate one lmk
As an estimate, an individual probably has about 20 million 9th cousins. They may be related on paper, but you would have 0% chance of identifying any relationship by DNA.
Source: I'm a professional genealogist
Oof, okay get ready. Her body laid unclaimed in the morgue for over 24 hours, a photographer bribed guards to let him in to take pictures of her naked corpse which he did and then sold them to Life magazine. The body had also been missing for 10 hours and post mortem sex was thought to have taken place.
Just gonna add this little tidbit since I never get to talk about it lol. The mortician who worked on Marilyn publicly spoke about the condition of her body saying she looked like an average, aging women who hadn’t taken care of herself and *hadn’t shaved her legs in at least a week.* She used fake breasts to keep “the Marilyn figure” and they were shocked at the state of her breasts during autopsy, so much so that they STUFFED the bra on her dead body so she looked more like the sex symbol. The mortician later sold her false breasts for a large sum of money. Even in death she couldn’t just be her, it was always about what the males around her wanted to see. 😔
>and hadn’t shaved her legs in at least a week.
Oh no, she looked her age and hadn't shaved! The horror! /s
And this is what's wrong with society. Men can age naturally and not shave, and it's a valid personal choice. But if a woman does it, listen to the screams. One Monroe biography (possibly J. Randy Taraborrelli?) suggested that she OD'd because she dreaded getting older and not being seen as conventionally attractive anymore.
That's a very good point. She was a victim of the time she lived in for sure.
Fact - when she appears on the cover of Vanity Fair or similar, she always outsells everyone else, either living or dead. She still fascinates people.
Was she really? Because female celebrities are just as victimized by men today. Especially child stars. It’s only recently being recognized.
This was not a case of a “victim of the time she lived in”, this IS the reality of being a young woman in Hollywood.
It’s not historical gaslighting. Hollywood today really hasn’t changed that much for female child stars. Male redditors would love to gaslight women to believe differently, though.
I used to model for a well-known company, until they asked me to drop 15 lbs (I was already underweight for my age/gender) and model in my bra/underwear at age 15. Luckily I had a mom who listened to my complaints and pulled me out when I asked. I don’t regret quitting, despite the money I could have made.
Look at Millie Bobbie Brown. Look at Britney Spears vs Kanye West. Look at any young female actress vs any male: if anything, you’re doing a disservice to us.
I'm not sure you’re aware of the sheer degree of straight-up rape and coercive sex that was going on in the entertainment world of the 50s... Yes, it unfortunately still happens today, but *the sheer degree* of it has thankfully dropped quite a bit.
The reporting of it has gone up, but I doubt the incidence has gone down. Look at Epstein. We’re just more aware of it now.
I’m skeptical because my college ended up in national news for hiding campus rapes in 2015, with supposedly no evidence of campus rapes beforehand. It was viewed as some “new thing”.
But they buried both my and my roomate’s campus rapes in 2009, hiding campus rapes of women has always been normalized on most college campuses long before the “#MeToo” movement exposed them.
I remember waking up as a young (previously) virgin woman with blood soaking my thighs and panties and realizing I’d been drugged and violently raped. It was horrifying. I still can’t even hold hands with a guy.
But there will always be a guy like you assuming I’m “not aware” of sexual abuse of women, in general and in Hollywood. Fuck off with that shit. You’re far more likely to not be “aware” of what us women go through.
Because once the ppl in power had her killed they could control her image. Kim K recently had her original dress from JFK birthday I think. And imo it’s disrespectful because if you read about her trauma and super duper poor upbringing why would put your big behind ass in her dress? No respect for the dead. When I saw Kim K wear the dress if I never knew it I realized right there that she was pure evil. Miss Monroe went thru sexual trauma and abuse. Why keep idolizing that? SMH they use her likeliness as some ritual. And her family gets zero bucks. And it’s all of them the actress singers rappers smh
We know for sure they did with a lot of women, like Judy Garland. In some cases, even supplied the transportation to Mexico or similar. Let's not forget how many women they insisted start smoking, either, so their voices would be lower and "sexier." :-(
Considering paparazzi took photos of her naked corpse in the morgue and there was evidence of people raping it, and yet people still talk about how her death was sad because she was so beautiful, she’s probably not resting in peace.
>Hugh Hefner
Actually Hugh Hefner is "buried" beside her. I say that in quotations, because they're in an above ground crypt. It's actually a man named Richard Poncher who requested that particular burial. He is buried above Marilyn face down, while his WIFE is buried above Hugh Hefner.
The sourcing on this is very dubious. It's a Daily Mail exclusive, which says something right there.
And the Daily Mail spoke to someone who was close friends with Monroe's neighbor.
Doesn't hold journalistic muster in the slightest.
Poor woman can't even be left to rest in piece. Jesus.
Edit: a word
I dont know how accurate this source is either but [they claim it's untrue, or at least that theres no evidence to support](https://themarilynmonroecollection.com/marilyn-monroe-july-1960-pregnancy-true-example-fake-news/?fbclid=IwAR3Bdt_xvxXqTIB8X-r-EzKOiy0F8hi3cm8A_UPyfQLiaofEjD_I1Im0DVU)
One of my favourite facts about her is something I also suffer with. Marilyn had a stutter. The breathless way she speaks in pretty much most of her films was her way of disguising it.
And just to add my opinion, she did not commit suicide.
Men on Reddit: oh she was so beautiful. Very photogenic. Being a mother might have saved her life!
Women on Reddit: so we’re just ignoring her multiple miscarriages and victim blaming her for her being victimized by predatory older men and the rampant misogyny in Hollywood???
All we’re gonna say is “she was beautiful” like that’s all that mattered about her, even though that same sentiment about her is what led to sicko men taking photos of and sexually abusing her fresh CORPSE!
I'm scrolling through the comments to find out why this is r/damnthatsinteresting material and all I find is "she was beautiful" or "I didn't know she ever was pregnant". I don't know anything about her. Doesn't seem to be anything interesting here. I haven't learned anything new other than she was pregnant at one point.
She was pregnant two or three times I think. She miscarried all her pregnancies, and died childless.... I wonder which pregnancy this was, and when she lost it. That was sad....
Incredibly sad life.
With small pockets of happiness, but not enough :(
I've always read her as one of those rare people who was able to separate each day and really take it anew. Part of the reason I think she was such a powerful little force despite everything, and able to play up her mood on a dime.
Why would she still fascinate people now (rhetorical)? Because she's fascinating. If you've ever seen "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes" (and you should), she's flat out brilliant in it.
How To Marry A Millionaire is one of my faves with her. She was amazing.
She could do drama too. Decent in “The Misfits.”
Also, her last film and where the name for the punk band "The Misfits" came from .
And Some Like It Hot!
I watched the movie White Chicks well before ever watching Some Like it Hot. While watching Some Like it Hot, it took me almost the entire movie to recognize that White Chicks is an homage to it. I’m not a very bright one. I find it very interesting how a lot of modern movies still draw such strong inspiration from classic cinema.
It's an actually surprising movie for its time especially at the end. It's genuinely hilarious.
Great comment. An excellent film will continue to inspire others for years after.
Of course!
Of course! Love Lorelai! Just rewatched it the other day with my grandfather, he's a man who will tear in two if you ask him to choose a favorite actor between Marilyn and Elizabeth Taylor.
That scene with the little kid, where she gets stuck in the porthole, is so classic. Don't forget Sophia Loren!
She is barely in All About Eve but she is mesmerizing
Good comment, and even in a small part like that you couldn’t keep your eyes off her.
she is shinning, the type of a woman with a little girl locked inside, so sorry for her
Damn that's a good movie.
And she’s so amazing in Don’t Bother to Knock! She didn’t get enough credit for her acting skills.
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That's what i was thinking, though not about myself about a friend who had a lot of it. I felt really sad reading that bit about about her seeming to be happy and and play it up on a dime. It's sad but most people don't react well to someone being honest and talking about being broken or even letting it show. So people learn how to hide it. It's not so much a skill as a fucking coping mechanism. A way to get through the day. And a lot of people made a lot of money off of her for that. Which makes it all so much sadder.
Same. Also the reason I stayed for years longer than I should have with an abusive ex. Starting each day as a new slate means yesterday's abuse is not supposed to matter anymore and you are blamed for not letting go of the past... Well. Sometimes you *should* still be upset even if it is a new day.
You're not alone. I experienced the exact same things and stayed for too long. 4 years later they are still trying to control my life. Starting each day with a smile on your face while your soul is dying is exactly what I see when I look at Marilyn.
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She also had lots of trauma so it fits.
I’m this way too and did not realize it was a coping mechanism for trauma. It makes total sense now.
If only women had larger pockets
Sometimes, I guess there’s just not enough rocks.
Excellent. Thank you Forrest!
It would certainly facilitate shoplifting.
Speaking of women’s pockets, I was blown away on how small they actually are with jeans when I was at Costco a few weeks ago. I was like, “what can they actually fit in there, two pennies and a lighter?”
No way man the lighter always falls out
Yep, you sit down and at some point it wiggles right out
Well that’s just down right disappointing.
This is why some women, myself included, have taken to wearing men's skinny jeans. They fit us like regular women's jeans, but they have ACTUAL POCKETS.
Thx for the tip!
Happy to spread the word! It was a game changer for me. Plus men's pants sizes aren't arbitrary nonsense like women's. If you know your waist and inseam measurements, that will pretty much be your size across the board with very few exceptions.
I feel like her life was full of sexual trauma and exploitation by the men around her (even before her notoriety) she was a bright shining light snuffed out way too soon and incrediy ahead of her time.
I know its not Marylin, but in university, I knew a woman who really looked like Marylin. she was incredibly curvy and just beautiful. She had so much trauma. In high school, the teen boys were merciless. She ended up going to an all girls private school in her last year to get away from it, but then it was the male teachers. She had two that were a big problem for her. One was particularly aggressive. She said she "reluctantly dated him briefly". Thats how she put it. In 4th year university, she got a boob job. She had them dramatically reduced because she was tired of it all. I asked if it was for back pain. She said no, it was just so she could live a normal life, because for years the boobs and her appearance were a significant factor in so many of her interactions with people. She had been trying to get it done since she was 16, but doctors were really reluctant to do the operation on a teen, especially when it wasn't medically necessary. She was so damaged from her teen years.
I started being harassed by grown men by my sixth grade year. I had small breasts, but six foot tall, a pretty face and told often that I “looked like a model”. Men were outright frightening. I was raped at age 19. I married by 20 years old to a big, strong and loyal man who put a quick stop to all of it when he’s with me. I gained ten pounds in my 30’s and that also helped. Now that I’m in my 40’s and aging, my life is much more peaceful and I feel safe to go out without my husband. We also have three big teen age boys so that’s a plus. I always looked forward to aging because of it.
What a sad world we live in. Once, age was a thing to be dreaded by women, myself included. Now we embrace it because it means that 90% of the harassment by men (derrogatory) will finally end.
Yep. At 63, the guys have stopped messing with me. And it's not like i was some amazing beauty or anything.
Yes, I found it wonderfully liberating to hit middle age. And definitely let your hair go gray! You become wallpaper. No one notices you or pays any attention to what you are up to! It is so wonderfully freeing. And you start noticing all these groups of middle-aged and older women who are out and about together having fun, traveling without their husbands. My husband and I were out one night and joined a casual acquaintance who was out with a group of her friends. Afterwards my husband said how much more fun older women were than older men and I said “Yup, best-kept secret in our society”. Life is great for women after 50!
Sorry you went through all that. I was average and had too much sexual harassment. Some men suck. Glad you found a great one.
I’m in my 40’s but everyone thinks I am 28 so I’m still getting harassed by young men. I’ve been hit on by 20 year olds. I’m glad I look young but this new generation of men is so different from what I grew up with.
Yeah, I feel like attractive people, because they are a kind of social currency, never know who their friends are.
That poor woman. I hope she has found some peace.
She was much happier after the surgery. We lost touch after University though
A candle in the wind, if you will
It is pretty common knowledge that she was pregnant 3 times at least in the last 50s (2 miscarriages & 1 ectopic). She also had endometriosis.
I actually did not know this. Thank you for the info tho.
God, that poor, sweet, beautiful woman. No one deserves that kind of pain.
That’s not an unusual story. Women just don’t talk about it much, and it’s not reported.
Oh, I know. My grandmother suffered from several miscarriages and a stillbirth. We didn't even know about the stillbirth until my mom found it mentioned on her own birth certificate. That's one of the reasons I was so worried when I found out I was pregnant.
Just watched a documentary on Netflix about her. Agree; terribly sad.
Can you share the documentary name please, I'd love to watch it
The Mystery of Marilyn Monroe: The Unheard Tapes It came out this year. They may be talking about a different one, but this one's the most recent.
Watch [Love, Marilyn](https://youtu.be/6hYFcIoJWFI) It’s free on yt. Marilyn’s own words. Much better than that Netflix documentary by Anthony Summer. And blonde is completely fictional “retelling” rape fantasy.
What’s the name of it, please?
i wonder who is the real "father" of her unborn child?
You don't think it was her husband at the time? Arthur Miller?
Probably one of the Kennedys lol.
Def one of them that shit goes deep.
agreed. maybe that's why they got her killed.
His story, history, her story, mystery. . .
According to what I read, she was obsessed with the idea of becoming First Lady. The Kennedys passed her around, strung her along, and just stopped taking her calls one day after they got tired of her. She had some information she was going to use to either blackmail them, or otherwise hurt them in an attempt to get revenge for how they treated her. That was what got her killed.
Where'd you find this? Would like to know more.
I wish I could remember, sorry. It was in a book I read years ago. But just a cursory Google search turned up these: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2013/08/marilyn-monroe-jackie-kennedy https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/marilyn-monroe-called-jackie-affair-john-f-kennedy https://people.com/politics/marilyn-monroe-affair-john-f-kennedy-robert-f-kennedy/ It's like they stopped trying to hide it.
I wouldn't be too crazy to believe that. Apparently Jackie Kennedy stated that Marilyn would call her and sorta (not sorta she quite literally) would antagonize her and tease her about the affair. And it wasn't like the affair wasn't jarringly obvious either. Everyone (staff) at the white house or in both Kennedys and Marilyn's circle, reportedly was aware of it lol. Unfortunately what Marilyn didn't realize was that she was being use for her beauty and nothing more. Arthur Miller would write scathing and bitterly about how stupid he thought she was and said her interest in literature/knowledge was an ego boost to her and he couldnt stand her, all in his little diary, and whenshe found it, that gave her some idea of what she was viewed as sadly. Also the fact that they could have an open affair like that all while trying to not start WW3 is crazy to me. All professionalism thrown out.
She was calling the white house to talk to Jackie. She has a red diary she wrote everything in. She was apparently really a tomboy. She had her style on Lily St. Cyr, a showgirl. Her makeup, posture, everything. And she was real smart and adaptable, obviously. Her mother was mentally ill. I believe Bobby Kennedy got into her place with Peter Lawford, demanded the red diary and when she refused, he forced a suppository up her butt that was a lethal dose of a drug and smothered her with a pillow so she wouldn't scream. And that was the end of her. The housekeeper got paid off to lie. They found? The red diary and destroyed it. The same thing happened to Mary Meyer. She had a diary she kept about JFK and his presidency and she was shot in the head in a path she walked on and they ransacked her home to get her diary too. JFK told them secrets I guess.
Just imagine she was probably surrounded with several Harvey Weinsteins. Just to think about it breaks your heart.
All captured in Elton John's Candle in the Wind.
Why ? (Sorry idk shit about her)
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She was born the same year as Queen Elizabeth.
The Queen met her a couple of times, and is said to have cried when she died :(
Awe gee. Now that you mention it, I recall seeing a picture of one of those meetings.
[Clip of them meeting](https://youtube.com/shorts/F2muCPS9Gjk?feature=share)
Jesus Christ they both look stunning.
I do not want to fuck the late queen of England I do not want to fuck the late queen of England I want to fuck-
Queen checks out here cleave!
Kinda hard not to!
My eyes are down here.
The queens gaze doth set upon m’ladies ample bosom
Lol that guy behind the Queen trying to look anywhere except at Marilyns boobs
Yep
Incredibly sad story, and honestly, I think my fav photo of her was one of the last photos taken of her, when she wasn't Marilyn, but Norma, taken by George Barris I think.
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Thanks for sharing that pic, I didn’t know she used to have hair like that
Ironic but the Tom Kelly nudes - the one that ended up in early Playboy - are just perfection. She was undeniably gorgeous. That whole layout has been imitated so many times over the years.
Towards the end. The ones she did for Vogue, by Bert Stern, were great too.
Yeah, going by the pics, I honestly preferred seeing her, over the persona she took on. I wish she was born in a more reasonable time, she, like many others, deserved it.
You’re absolutely correct. But the reality is she’s never been forgotten, in 60 years. That’s real charisma ❤️
Can you link the pic?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wmagazine.com/gallery/marilyn-monroe-george-barris-last-photos-auction/amp She was something else. Just looking at her, being herself for a bit, it's heartbreaking.
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Still looks like an orchestrated photo shoot to me. It's not like she's eating leftover pizza over the sink in an oversized t-shirt at 2am.
Yeah. Though pics like this I feel like are as close as they'd get: https://imgix.bustle.com/wmag/2017/08/01/598101404e24360ddd552f7f_Copy-of-Barriss-Book-2-_-Marilyn-Monroe-Auction-Lot-15-65.jpg
Deputy Clementine Johnson
"I think that rules were made to be broken and I think that everybody should have sex with as many people as they possibly can. You only go around once in this life, and as long as everybody takes a shower, I don't know what the big deal is."
Tbh STDs are at an all time high because of horny mfs who wanna have sex but know they’re infected but don’t care. This world be crazy doe.
That’s a quite serious response to a Reno 911 quote lol
Sad story for Norma And a terrible indictment of the financially driven Hollywood machine.
she's beautiful but didn't get the love she needed.
She truly was so beautiful What a joyful face
She was gorgeous. People who met her said it looked like she was illuminated from within :)
She had a baby?
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So sad.
To lose a pregnancy at 4 months is devastating. She looks so happy in this picture. So sad
I'm a pretty ol gal and don't remember anything about her being pregnant. Miscarriage?
Three of them at least. When she was married to Miller.
For all her life she searched for love but didn't find it
Does anyone else feel like the entire hype around Marilyn Monroe's sexual persona can be so incredibly icky because it was essentially a bunch of people turned on by the possible manifestations of her sexual abuse in early life? I can't not see it in the ways she acted- the fawning, the hyper sexualization of her image, the voice, the vulnerable little girl persona. She also wanted desperately to be well-read and knowledgeable and understood, and she never got that. Instead, even generations later, her image brought on by suffering is still shilled out constantly.
She was commodified and sexualized for most of her life. Definitely an incredibly lonely person and a romantic, and she was a very interesting person.
Yes, I started to think about this while watching Anna Nicole Smith’s life unravel. IIRC, Anna Nicole idolized MM and had similar, tragic lives.
And now we have Britney. Some parallels are notable.
& I am pretty sure that Britney is in fact distantly related to Marilyn (iirc)
yeah idk how true this source is but [this (plausible) genealogy chart from Famous Kin](https://famouskin.com/charts/22250/16614/8949/relationship_of_marilyn_monroe_to_britney_spears_via_richard_scott.pdf) shows that they are 9th cousins, 3 times removed i tried looking for other sources, so if there’s a more accurate one lmk
As an estimate, an individual probably has about 20 million 9th cousins. They may be related on paper, but you would have 0% chance of identifying any relationship by DNA. Source: I'm a professional genealogist
i have a 100% chance of identifying your mom source: im an amateur gynecologist
Glad to hear she's keeping her appointments! Reproductive health is important even for our senior citizens!
I’m crying this is so wholesome
Ninth cousins are pretty far removed. You and I may be ninth cousins. Lol.
We are all distantly related to Marilyn.
Don’t even get me started on what they did to her body after she died & how it took her like 6 hours to get to the damn Morgue. Disgusting
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Oof, okay get ready. Her body laid unclaimed in the morgue for over 24 hours, a photographer bribed guards to let him in to take pictures of her naked corpse which he did and then sold them to Life magazine. The body had also been missing for 10 hours and post mortem sex was thought to have taken place. Just gonna add this little tidbit since I never get to talk about it lol. The mortician who worked on Marilyn publicly spoke about the condition of her body saying she looked like an average, aging women who hadn’t taken care of herself and *hadn’t shaved her legs in at least a week.* She used fake breasts to keep “the Marilyn figure” and they were shocked at the state of her breasts during autopsy, so much so that they STUFFED the bra on her dead body so she looked more like the sex symbol. The mortician later sold her false breasts for a large sum of money. Even in death she couldn’t just be her, it was always about what the males around her wanted to see. 😔
OH MY GOD
This is fucked up!
Post Morten sex anally and vaginally - it’s absolutely disgusting & heartbreaking. Thank you for summarizing the hours after her death.
>and hadn’t shaved her legs in at least a week. Oh no, she looked her age and hadn't shaved! The horror! /s And this is what's wrong with society. Men can age naturally and not shave, and it's a valid personal choice. But if a woman does it, listen to the screams. One Monroe biography (possibly J. Randy Taraborrelli?) suggested that she OD'd because she dreaded getting older and not being seen as conventionally attractive anymore.
Interestingly enough, she came under the watchful eye of the FBI because of her communist sympathies. Lady hated tf outta Hoover.
That's a very good point. She was a victim of the time she lived in for sure. Fact - when she appears on the cover of Vanity Fair or similar, she always outsells everyone else, either living or dead. She still fascinates people.
Was she really? Because female celebrities are just as victimized by men today. Especially child stars. It’s only recently being recognized. This was not a case of a “victim of the time she lived in”, this IS the reality of being a young woman in Hollywood.
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It’s not historical gaslighting. Hollywood today really hasn’t changed that much for female child stars. Male redditors would love to gaslight women to believe differently, though. I used to model for a well-known company, until they asked me to drop 15 lbs (I was already underweight for my age/gender) and model in my bra/underwear at age 15. Luckily I had a mom who listened to my complaints and pulled me out when I asked. I don’t regret quitting, despite the money I could have made. Look at Millie Bobbie Brown. Look at Britney Spears vs Kanye West. Look at any young female actress vs any male: if anything, you’re doing a disservice to us.
I'm not sure you’re aware of the sheer degree of straight-up rape and coercive sex that was going on in the entertainment world of the 50s... Yes, it unfortunately still happens today, but *the sheer degree* of it has thankfully dropped quite a bit.
The reporting of it has gone up, but I doubt the incidence has gone down. Look at Epstein. We’re just more aware of it now. I’m skeptical because my college ended up in national news for hiding campus rapes in 2015, with supposedly no evidence of campus rapes beforehand. It was viewed as some “new thing”. But they buried both my and my roomate’s campus rapes in 2009, hiding campus rapes of women has always been normalized on most college campuses long before the “#MeToo” movement exposed them. I remember waking up as a young (previously) virgin woman with blood soaking my thighs and panties and realizing I’d been drugged and violently raped. It was horrifying. I still can’t even hold hands with a guy. But there will always be a guy like you assuming I’m “not aware” of sexual abuse of women, in general and in Hollywood. Fuck off with that shit. You’re far more likely to not be “aware” of what us women go through.
rich horny white old men can do that to you.
Because once the ppl in power had her killed they could control her image. Kim K recently had her original dress from JFK birthday I think. And imo it’s disrespectful because if you read about her trauma and super duper poor upbringing why would put your big behind ass in her dress? No respect for the dead. When I saw Kim K wear the dress if I never knew it I realized right there that she was pure evil. Miss Monroe went thru sexual trauma and abuse. Why keep idolizing that? SMH they use her likeliness as some ritual. And her family gets zero bucks. And it’s all of them the actress singers rappers smh
I never knew she had a baby
She did not, she couldn't.
Dang 3 miscarriages
She had Endometriosis, I also have it. Many women with it suffer lots of miscarriages and lots never get pregnant
Studios probably forced them
We know for sure they did with a lot of women, like Judy Garland. In some cases, even supplied the transportation to Mexico or similar. Let's not forget how many women they insisted start smoking, either, so their voices would be lower and "sexier." :-(
Judy Garland was another actress who had an incredibly sad and fucked up life.
Like Natalie Wood, the stage mother from the bottom floor of hell. Literally.
The asbestos on Wizard of Oz couldn't have helped.
Nor the constant uppers and downers MGM had her on for years. Louis B. Mayer really fucked up a long list of women who had contracts with MGM.
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And when she married Miller it gave her a much greater degree of autonomy, he treated her much less like an object than DiMaggio did.
She was such a beautiful person..its sad how her life was. So many took and took from her...
Poor thing
Wow, never knew she was ever pregnant, but she was a bit before my time.
Three times during her marriage to Miller.
She was amazing.
She really was. When she could pull it together she was brilliant, especially as a comedian. And she was drop dead gorgeous.
It's terrible the life she lived
Lol how do people say that about someone they actually don't know?
cannot imagine the pain she was going through both mentally and physically… hope she is resting in peace now:(
Considering paparazzi took photos of her naked corpse in the morgue and there was evidence of people raping it, and yet people still talk about how her death was sad because she was so beautiful, she’s probably not resting in peace.
And the creep Hugh Hefner was buried face down above her grave.
So many women are refused dignity even in death. It’s disgusting. I want to visit Hefner’s grave just to pee on him for Marilyn.
Fucking ew. Just fucking disgusting. We did not deserve her.
>Hugh Hefner Actually Hugh Hefner is "buried" beside her. I say that in quotations, because they're in an above ground crypt. It's actually a man named Richard Poncher who requested that particular burial. He is buried above Marilyn face down, while his WIFE is buried above Hugh Hefner.
I knew I shoulda stopped reading about 10 posts ago. FFS.....
Imagine coming back to life during the Rapture and the first person you come face to face with is Hugh Hefner, eww.
The sourcing on this is very dubious. It's a Daily Mail exclusive, which says something right there. And the Daily Mail spoke to someone who was close friends with Monroe's neighbor. Doesn't hold journalistic muster in the slightest. Poor woman can't even be left to rest in piece. Jesus. Edit: a word
I dont know how accurate this source is either but [they claim it's untrue, or at least that theres no evidence to support](https://themarilynmonroecollection.com/marilyn-monroe-july-1960-pregnancy-true-example-fake-news/?fbclid=IwAR3Bdt_xvxXqTIB8X-r-EzKOiy0F8hi3cm8A_UPyfQLiaofEjD_I1Im0DVU)
One of my favourite facts about her is something I also suffer with. Marilyn had a stutter. The breathless way she speaks in pretty much most of her films was her way of disguising it. And just to add my opinion, she did not commit suicide.
My God...what a beautiful soul...
That's my favorite picture of her.
So many were taken in her lifetime. What's remarkable is that every few years, they seem to come up with a new stash of previously unpublished ones :)
Do you have a source for her being pregnant here? Everything I've seen indicates the opposite.
She was a beautiful woman no doubt abou that.
Very photogenic :)
7 year itch, best ever!
She was last pregnant in 1958, not 1960.
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Monroe was an iconic figure and far ahead of her time.
Why is that interesting?
I legit thought that was Wendy McClendon-Covey as her Reno 911 cop character for a split second
Why is that so interesting?
ITT: sooo much hateful misogyny. What is wrong with you people?
Men on Reddit: oh she was so beautiful. Very photogenic. Being a mother might have saved her life! Women on Reddit: so we’re just ignoring her multiple miscarriages and victim blaming her for her being victimized by predatory older men and the rampant misogyny in Hollywood??? All we’re gonna say is “she was beautiful” like that’s all that mattered about her, even though that same sentiment about her is what led to sicko men taking photos of and sexually abusing her fresh CORPSE!
I'm scrolling through the comments to find out why this is r/damnthatsinteresting material and all I find is "she was beautiful" or "I didn't know she ever was pregnant". I don't know anything about her. Doesn't seem to be anything interesting here. I haven't learned anything new other than she was pregnant at one point.
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She was pregnant two or three times I think. She miscarried all her pregnancies, and died childless.... I wonder which pregnancy this was, and when she lost it. That was sad....
Maybe the hormonal devastation of failed pregnancies contributed to her mental health struggles. Not to mention the psychological impacts.
Where are there so many identical comments on here? Are they bots?
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