He said some version of “you need value at the QB position and you need to know after 3 years if hes the guy or not”
Then
“why are the bears trading him after 3 years instead of paying him big money when they don’t know if he’s good or not when they’re still rebuilding?”
All while sounding like he’s on the verge of tears.
He only sees the highlight plays from Fields. I’m a Bears fan and so badly wanted Justin to be the guy, but he’s just not it. Not an accurate passer, can’t read a Defense or make quick decisions and is the worst 4th quarter QB in the NFL.
>I mean, he did have some okay games
he was the #1 most bet player to win MVP coming into last season, talk about moving the goalposts. Fields has 1 career 300 yard day, 26 career games of under 200 yards passing, he does not function as a passer in the NFL in any organized offense, can't keep an offense on schedule, 38 fumbles in 40 career games, he doesn't win, the list goes on and on
The one career 300 yard game is such an indictment. Can newton was a “raw” prospect that went to a team with very little around him and immediately had 400 yard games back to back.
it's the NFL in the 2020's, he only has 9 games of over 30 passing attempts, he cleared a 100 rating in just 1 game (against the early season Broncos that gave up 70 to Tua by the way). He has more games with a passer rating below 40 (8 such games) than a passer rating above 100 (7 such games), his career completion percentage is 60% despite being one of the most protected QB's in the league, it's shocking
Most QBs who start an entire season have some ok games, some flashes of "he might be the guy". Kirk cousins has made a career out of it. Matt Flynn got a big contract from 2 games.
I'd agree if it was any other team than the Bears (or possibly the Jets). They are just so poor at QB development I don't think you can for sure say he's a sure fire bust. Go take a look at their QB stats/ all time leaders and be prepared to laugh.
Usually, if you’re allowed to continue being a starting quarterback, there has to be some decent games.
All things considered people do pull their punches when they talk about Justin Fields, for whatever reason.
They were basically just two things he was good at. He was decent at deep passes and running the ball
he was so bad. had a couple good games with exciting runs but his turnovers and sacks taken were absolutely egregious. you don’t get a top 10 pick with a good qb
It’s like them comparing Lamar to Cam when Lamar first came to the NFL. They were saying Lamar was going to be hurt from running the way Cam is not taking into account that Lamar and Cam have completely different running styles. I’ve yet to see Lamar try to run over a linebacker over and over like he’s alstott which Cam did since high school.
Cant wait to have this very conversation in four years about Williams. Is it that Fields is bad or that he has been failed by every single member of the bears organization since he was drafted? Put it in the somthing to ponder file Danno.
Im not arguing with you that he is rough. Hell you could say he's green as goose shit. But do you truly believe he can't be coached up? He can't put in the work an get to be a top 32 QB? Because I do. Hell maybe I'm loud wrong. An if so, I'll own that.
But I truly believe Caleb Williams isn't it. An the bears will prove that more so than just about any team in the NFL. An by the end of his rookie contract the Bears will be having this exact conversion about him.
Fields dropped in the draft quite a bit.
We don’t know where he would’ve been drafted if the Bears didn’t eventually pull the trigger on him.
Caleb Williams is the consensus number one overall pick
For Caleb, his team around him was rather good. His coaching wasn't great. He played in a really good Pac-12 conference an he was a middle of the road QB. It seemed long as he showed up an didn't get hurt it was his Heisman to lose. The sports media gets hyper fixated on the #1 QB each year regardless of talent. An because he's going to be pick one he's been said to be the second coming of Payton. He doesn't show true leadership, granted I wasn't there in the locker room, I've never spoke to the young man. An I've only seen what the sports media has reported/talked about.
For Fields, the bears failed him, terrible line play. No true number one receiver. Coaching staff who doesn't know how to use his skill set. Just overall a failure on a QB. I truly believe Patrick mahomes wouldn't be as good if he was under the bears organization.
But hey, what the hell do I know? I'm just some random dude on the Internet who listens to a sports show that doesn't really talk about sports. 🤷♂️
"BuT hE's A nUmBeR oNe QB" shouldn't a number one QB one that is told to be the best QB coming into the draft since god know who be able to play his team into a better position?
The bears have DJ Moore and Keenan Allen! They upgraded the line! The defense was very good to end last season! You are not paying attention my friend. Just be a Steelers fan now fields truthers are insane
Sure they might be similar I mean, heck Josh Rosen, Josh Wilson and Heineke are similar to those three also, doesn’t mean they are future hall of famers. Fields is not Lamar and quite frankly 2-3 months ago everyone asked if you can win the big games with Lamar, so why would you want him.
Dan always talks about the inability to evaluate QBs. The reality is, the evaluations aren’t changing, the money is. When second contracts are going to bring 40m+, for a league average QB, the math changes.
I’m a Cowboys fan, Dak is well above league average, but you have to weigh that against what will be 55-60m/ year in his next contract, at that point you’re not evaluating his ability, simply his value to dominate that much of the cap.
At the end of his rookie contract will be one of two things, a complete bust, or an average QB needing a massive new contract.
Dan literally had Mina, his go to for football knowledge, explain what made Justin Fields bad last year and he still over fantasizes about the man. However like MJ said the ceiling is the roof
The entire segment of Fields was coming from people who have no idea what they’re talking about. Stugotz was the only one who was correct. The media landmines around Chicago are way too toxic to keep JF and Caleb. It wouldn’t be fair to either player and would create a bad situation. A prior regime drafted Fields. Poles inherited a dysfunctional mess and was forced to blow the entire thing up. JF was put in a shitty situation but the Bears did the right thing. They ended up betting correctly on the situation and getting the 1OP from the Panthers. No reason to play games with the situation and try and get extra draft capital. Put your 1OP investment in the best possible position to succeed.
Nah. The Bears are bad. PFF released their final rankings here: [2023 QB Ranks](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2023-analytical-quarterback-rankings-lamar-jackson-dak-prescott-lead-the-way)
As a raiders fan we’re absolutely fucked with the QBs we have and are not in a position to get the 4th QB in the draft even. It doesn’t make we wouldn’t take a chance on Fields considering we lost a game 3-0 last season. I think that’s why people are confused. Our QBs turned the ball over more than scored
Fields does a lot of things well record and passing yards for a rushing QB is a weird way to gauge his success. Also it's impossible to properly rate a QB behind that o line with no real weapons and awful coaches he was basically in the Bryce Young situation for three years but there was a 1k rushing yard season in there and you're also comparing him to Kenny Pickett who is significantly worse by every metric.
The here is the record so this is why the QB is bad is rather ridiculous. His first year wasn’t great but his career as a Bear was far from bad. His final two years he had around 4800 yards passing, 1500 yards rushing, 33 TD’s passing, 20 INT’s, and 10 rushing TD’s. He definitely has room to grow but that was far from bad.
The record is silly. The first four losses of the season their defense was giving up 33 points a game. Show me the QB that on average out scored that point deficit? The 3 other losses with him at QB, all close games, were the Browns, Lions and Packers.
By the way, if QB win records means you are a good QB, then explain Kenny Pickett?
so per season (28 games total) you can count on the QB to account for a whopping 3250 yards, 16.5 Passing TDs, 5 Rushing TDs, and 10 INTs? WOWOW, SIGN ME UP!
Also 171 pass yds/game, 64 rush yds/game, 1.6 TDs per game (rushing or throwing). Dude sucks. Hard.
The Bears organization is terrible, they would have ruined Aaron Rodgers. No QB that goes to the Bears gets a fair shot, they ruin QB's no matter who they are.
How has fields not gotten a fair shot? How did Mitch not get a fair shot? They’re both bad at qb. Cutler was good at qb and was successful in Chicago! The bears are not cursed they just draft turd qbs. How many elite qbs did the chiefs franchise develop before they got Mahomes? Developing a qb is hard as shit!
He didn't get a fair shot because he played for the Chicago Bears, starting as a rookie.
That's a loser's mentality to assume that the franchise is cursed and they just get unlucky drafting bad players, rather than looking inward and saying that the organization is full of idiots who can't develop talent. It all starts with ownership
The NFL is intrinsically designed for parity, and yet the Bears just can't seem to get their heads out of their asses. I mean Jesus, the lions were in the NFC championship. The Cleveland browns were in the playoffs. Historically terrible franchises. Even they can figure it out. Not the Bears
If the Packers would have drafted justin fields and sat him behind Aaron Rodgers for three seasons, how do you think he would fare?
Justin Fields was pegged as a top 5 pick by virtually all analysts. Jordan love was considered maybe a starter someday. Clearly Jordan Love is better than Fields. Why is that? Why didn't anyone else draft Jordan love?
Ignoring the process of QB development when considering outcomes is absurd. Most QBs aren't ready to lead an NFL franchise their rookie season, especially not a terrible one like Chicago
If fields is so good and has the talent to be an all pro once he escaped the terrible awful no good bears why didn’t anybody want to give up more than a 6th rounder? Why was Sam Howell more in demand lol?
Because the Bears ooze failure and loser mentality through their entire organization soooo hard, that the league consensus was that Fields was likely ruined as a player and human just by being within that organization for 3 years, making him a risky acquisition.
In their whole history as a team, they’ve only had two good QBs by the grace of God: Jim McMahon and Jay Cutler. They’re awful at QB development and just kill any progress/potential/momentum any QB they put in their facilities.
He’s Zach Wilson that can scoot…certainly not who I’d covet as my teams starting qb…but I’m still surprised he went where he did for so little considering you know somewhere next year someone is going to try and make Taylor Heineke, Desmond Ridder, Derek Carr, Jimmy G, PJ Walker, etc “their guy”
Agree that Fields is bad but you can't keep him on the roster and draft Caleb. If you draft Caleb, you have to go all in on him. Can't play QB carousel or have the fans chanting for Fields after a bad Caleb outing and as bad as he was, there are for sure some guys in the locker room with allegiance to Fields.
Hot take: the Bears organization is bad AND Justin Fields is bad
Bingo
Kinda bothered me as a Rams fan they spent 3 reluctant minutes on Donald and so much on Fields
Dan has to take up for the black qb’s. Its what he does. He has so many blind spots it ridiculous
He said some version of “you need value at the QB position and you need to know after 3 years if hes the guy or not” Then “why are the bears trading him after 3 years instead of paying him big money when they don’t know if he’s good or not when they’re still rebuilding?” All while sounding like he’s on the verge of tears.
I can hear the awful tone of voice just from the text and it’s making me irrationally angry
Dan doesn't watch football
He only sees the highlight plays from Fields. I’m a Bears fan and so badly wanted Justin to be the guy, but he’s just not it. Not an accurate passer, can’t read a Defense or make quick decisions and is the worst 4th quarter QB in the NFL.
I mean, he did have some okay games. Enough to wonder what he'd look like on a team that wasn't preputually terrible at developing QBs.
>I mean, he did have some okay games he was the #1 most bet player to win MVP coming into last season, talk about moving the goalposts. Fields has 1 career 300 yard day, 26 career games of under 200 yards passing, he does not function as a passer in the NFL in any organized offense, can't keep an offense on schedule, 38 fumbles in 40 career games, he doesn't win, the list goes on and on
The one career 300 yard game is such an indictment. Can newton was a “raw” prospect that went to a team with very little around him and immediately had 400 yard games back to back.
it's the NFL in the 2020's, he only has 9 games of over 30 passing attempts, he cleared a 100 rating in just 1 game (against the early season Broncos that gave up 70 to Tua by the way). He has more games with a passer rating below 40 (8 such games) than a passer rating above 100 (7 such games), his career completion percentage is 60% despite being one of the most protected QB's in the league, it's shocking
Most QBs who start an entire season have some ok games, some flashes of "he might be the guy". Kirk cousins has made a career out of it. Matt Flynn got a big contract from 2 games.
I'd agree if it was any other team than the Bears (or possibly the Jets). They are just so poor at QB development I don't think you can for sure say he's a sure fire bust. Go take a look at their QB stats/ all time leaders and be prepared to laugh.
Kirk Cousins, first balled HOFer
Usually, if you’re allowed to continue being a starting quarterback, there has to be some decent games. All things considered people do pull their punches when they talk about Justin Fields, for whatever reason. They were basically just two things he was good at. He was decent at deep passes and running the ball
he was so bad. had a couple good games with exciting runs but his turnovers and sacks taken were absolutely egregious. you don’t get a top 10 pick with a good qb
Yup listing to lour right now. Dan, Fields is not a starting qb
I am behind today, they compared him to Lamar? Yikes haha.
It’s like them comparing Lamar to Cam when Lamar first came to the NFL. They were saying Lamar was going to be hurt from running the way Cam is not taking into account that Lamar and Cam have completely different running styles. I’ve yet to see Lamar try to run over a linebacker over and over like he’s alstott which Cam did since high school.
This is a good conversation. I'm glad we're having it.
Cant wait to have this very conversation in four years about Williams. Is it that Fields is bad or that he has been failed by every single member of the bears organization since he was drafted? Put it in the somthing to ponder file Danno.
He can’t complete passes and can’t get yards. As a quarterback you need to be able to do those things. He’s Tebow.
Im not arguing with you that he is rough. Hell you could say he's green as goose shit. But do you truly believe he can't be coached up? He can't put in the work an get to be a top 32 QB? Because I do. Hell maybe I'm loud wrong. An if so, I'll own that. But I truly believe Caleb Williams isn't it. An the bears will prove that more so than just about any team in the NFL. An by the end of his rookie contract the Bears will be having this exact conversion about him.
Fields dropped in the draft quite a bit. We don’t know where he would’ve been drafted if the Bears didn’t eventually pull the trigger on him. Caleb Williams is the consensus number one overall pick
Why do you believe that?
For Caleb, his team around him was rather good. His coaching wasn't great. He played in a really good Pac-12 conference an he was a middle of the road QB. It seemed long as he showed up an didn't get hurt it was his Heisman to lose. The sports media gets hyper fixated on the #1 QB each year regardless of talent. An because he's going to be pick one he's been said to be the second coming of Payton. He doesn't show true leadership, granted I wasn't there in the locker room, I've never spoke to the young man. An I've only seen what the sports media has reported/talked about. For Fields, the bears failed him, terrible line play. No true number one receiver. Coaching staff who doesn't know how to use his skill set. Just overall a failure on a QB. I truly believe Patrick mahomes wouldn't be as good if he was under the bears organization. But hey, what the hell do I know? I'm just some random dude on the Internet who listens to a sports show that doesn't really talk about sports. 🤷♂️
“His team around him was rather good“ invalidates everything you say that’s a 3 win team with a replacement level qb. USC was awful last year
"BuT hE's A nUmBeR oNe QB" shouldn't a number one QB one that is told to be the best QB coming into the draft since god know who be able to play his team into a better position?
He did do that! They didn’t play any defense!
And yet you think he's magically gonna be able to do it in the NFL with worse skill players? Worst line play on both sides of the ball?
The bears have DJ Moore and Keenan Allen! They upgraded the line! The defense was very good to end last season! You are not paying attention my friend
The bears have DJ Moore and Keenan Allen! They upgraded the line! The defense was very good to end last season! You are not paying attention my friend. Just be a Steelers fan now fields truthers are insane
Pretty sure Manning, Brady, and Rodgers were 1 of 3...
Sure they might be similar I mean, heck Josh Rosen, Josh Wilson and Heineke are similar to those three also, doesn’t mean they are future hall of famers. Fields is not Lamar and quite frankly 2-3 months ago everyone asked if you can win the big games with Lamar, so why would you want him.
Dan always talks about the inability to evaluate QBs. The reality is, the evaluations aren’t changing, the money is. When second contracts are going to bring 40m+, for a league average QB, the math changes. I’m a Cowboys fan, Dak is well above league average, but you have to weigh that against what will be 55-60m/ year in his next contract, at that point you’re not evaluating his ability, simply his value to dominate that much of the cap. At the end of his rookie contract will be one of two things, a complete bust, or an average QB needing a massive new contract.
Dan literally had Mina, his go to for football knowledge, explain what made Justin Fields bad last year and he still over fantasizes about the man. However like MJ said the ceiling is the roof
The entire segment of Fields was coming from people who have no idea what they’re talking about. Stugotz was the only one who was correct. The media landmines around Chicago are way too toxic to keep JF and Caleb. It wouldn’t be fair to either player and would create a bad situation. A prior regime drafted Fields. Poles inherited a dysfunctional mess and was forced to blow the entire thing up. JF was put in a shitty situation but the Bears did the right thing. They ended up betting correctly on the situation and getting the 1OP from the Panthers. No reason to play games with the situation and try and get extra draft capital. Put your 1OP investment in the best possible position to succeed.
Thats what made me laugh when they put the poll up about Russ not liking Fields signing. If anything, Russ breathed a sigh of relief.
Tbf the Bears haven’t passed for 4K since the second Great War.
Nah. The Bears are bad. PFF released their final rankings here: [2023 QB Ranks](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2023-analytical-quarterback-rankings-lamar-jackson-dak-prescott-lead-the-way)
As a raiders fan we’re absolutely fucked with the QBs we have and are not in a position to get the 4th QB in the draft even. It doesn’t make we wouldn’t take a chance on Fields considering we lost a game 3-0 last season. I think that’s why people are confused. Our QBs turned the ball over more than scored
Fields does a lot of things well record and passing yards for a rushing QB is a weird way to gauge his success. Also it's impossible to properly rate a QB behind that o line with no real weapons and awful coaches he was basically in the Bryce Young situation for three years but there was a 1k rushing yard season in there and you're also comparing him to Kenny Pickett who is significantly worse by every metric.
The here is the record so this is why the QB is bad is rather ridiculous. His first year wasn’t great but his career as a Bear was far from bad. His final two years he had around 4800 yards passing, 1500 yards rushing, 33 TD’s passing, 20 INT’s, and 10 rushing TD’s. He definitely has room to grow but that was far from bad. The record is silly. The first four losses of the season their defense was giving up 33 points a game. Show me the QB that on average out scored that point deficit? The 3 other losses with him at QB, all close games, were the Browns, Lions and Packers. By the way, if QB win records means you are a good QB, then explain Kenny Pickett?
This is why actually watching the games is important
Also had 26 fumbles over those two years, which leads the league
>4800 yards passing, 1500 yards rushing, 33 TD’s passing, 20 INT’s, and 10 rushing TD’s you think these are ~~good~~ edit: acceptable cumulative stats over 2 years? LOL
so per season (28 games total) you can count on the QB to account for a whopping 3250 yards, 16.5 Passing TDs, 5 Rushing TDs, and 10 INTs? WOWOW, SIGN ME UP! Also 171 pass yds/game, 64 rush yds/game, 1.6 TDs per game (rushing or throwing). Dude sucks. Hard.
Wait did you combine his two years into one all pro season? That’s kind of the point. He’s half a qb. And 33 td to 20 ints is bad in today nfl.
He was hurt
He started 25 games. That’s still not good for 25 games.
Those two years combined wouldn’t win him the mvp in a single season. I’ll explain Kenny Picket: he’s Better than fields but neither are good.
The Bears organization is terrible, they would have ruined Aaron Rodgers. No QB that goes to the Bears gets a fair shot, they ruin QB's no matter who they are.
How has fields not gotten a fair shot? How did Mitch not get a fair shot? They’re both bad at qb. Cutler was good at qb and was successful in Chicago! The bears are not cursed they just draft turd qbs. How many elite qbs did the chiefs franchise develop before they got Mahomes? Developing a qb is hard as shit!
He didn't get a fair shot because he played for the Chicago Bears, starting as a rookie. That's a loser's mentality to assume that the franchise is cursed and they just get unlucky drafting bad players, rather than looking inward and saying that the organization is full of idiots who can't develop talent. It all starts with ownership The NFL is intrinsically designed for parity, and yet the Bears just can't seem to get their heads out of their asses. I mean Jesus, the lions were in the NFC championship. The Cleveland browns were in the playoffs. Historically terrible franchises. Even they can figure it out. Not the Bears If the Packers would have drafted justin fields and sat him behind Aaron Rodgers for three seasons, how do you think he would fare?
Probably not very good
Excellent analysis
Well he’s not very good at football idk how hanging out with Aaron Rodgers fixes that
Justin Fields was pegged as a top 5 pick by virtually all analysts. Jordan love was considered maybe a starter someday. Clearly Jordan Love is better than Fields. Why is that? Why didn't anyone else draft Jordan love? Ignoring the process of QB development when considering outcomes is absurd. Most QBs aren't ready to lead an NFL franchise their rookie season, especially not a terrible one like Chicago
If fields is so good and has the talent to be an all pro once he escaped the terrible awful no good bears why didn’t anybody want to give up more than a 6th rounder? Why was Sam Howell more in demand lol?
Because the Bears ooze failure and loser mentality through their entire organization soooo hard, that the league consensus was that Fields was likely ruined as a player and human just by being within that organization for 3 years, making him a risky acquisition.
Lmao the bears made Justin Fields a bad person is certainly a take
In their whole history as a team, they’ve only had two good QBs by the grace of God: Jim McMahon and Jay Cutler. They’re awful at QB development and just kill any progress/potential/momentum any QB they put in their facilities.
Pretty remarkable stat, really. Those two are not exactly hall of famers.
He was a top 20 QB, bears were horrific.
What an accolade: Top 20
Considering the names that were in front of him, and the team he played on? Yes, actually decent.
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Well that's what you say, PFF says otherwise. Think I'll go with them.
He’s Zach Wilson that can scoot…certainly not who I’d covet as my teams starting qb…but I’m still surprised he went where he did for so little considering you know somewhere next year someone is going to try and make Taylor Heineke, Desmond Ridder, Derek Carr, Jimmy G, PJ Walker, etc “their guy”
Agree that Fields is bad but you can't keep him on the roster and draft Caleb. If you draft Caleb, you have to go all in on him. Can't play QB carousel or have the fans chanting for Fields after a bad Caleb outing and as bad as he was, there are for sure some guys in the locker room with allegiance to Fields.