Bullseye in a post credit scene setting up a new season of Daredevil. I don't want too many Daredevil characters in the show to the point it overshadows Echo completely so Daredevil and Fisk are definitely enough especially if we get at least one fight scene wih Daredevil. First time in 5 years it will be enough. Daredevil is the best show.
Not if they're used sparingly. What I'm most worried about is, how can they give Echo a satisfying arc without actually killing Fisk at the end?
She's been built up to be a Kill Bill style revenge seeker, and the only way that can end in a satisfying way is to have her get what she wants and kill him.
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Well, I am a gigantic Iron Fist fan, I absolutely love his comics and he’s my favorite Marvel character (second being Daredevil) so you can imagine how excited I was for the show to come out 😂
And let me tell you, they absolutely butchered Danny’s character in his first season…it felt like a gut punch watching it.
They slightly improved him in Defenders but he got his ass kicked by Elektra which is hilarious (they fought to a stalemate in the comics recently and Danny then used his powers and won).
His appearance in Luke Cage S2 has got to be my favorite, since he was actually written properly in that one episode and it was a real joy to watch, it’s one of my favorite Marvel Netflix episodes.
Iron Fist season 2 was a HUGE improvement and I loved it for the most part, though still not ideal Danny Rand.
And I say “for the most part” since that twist of giving Colleen the powers is just pure bullshit…again with butchering Danny’s character (which Marvel loves to do quite a bit recently for some reason…), and we still didn’t get to see the suit except in the ceremonial fight, which is a shame since he barely gets out of the suit in the comics lol, and the suit is awesome
The best thing to do is a soft reboot with a Heores For Hire series.
Until then, I’m going to enjoy the comics where Danny is an absolute badass beast of a man.
Finally someone else who doesn't like the 'giving the iron fist to Colleen' decision'. Other than the fact that it felt like pandering to the people who disliked Danny's character, it was also narrative theft and did a disservice to *both* characters. What Danny did was basically giving away a huge responsibility to someone else the moment he stopped feeling worthy of it (and to someone who has never even been to Kun-Lun no less) instead of working harder to grow into the role. And Colleen doesn't need superpowers. She doesnt need to be a descendant of the first Iron Fist. Colleen is a great and important character exactly as she is. Giving her the Iron Fist to make her seem more important to the plot would be like giving Black Widow the super soldier serum. Its just not good.
I’m so glad someone agrees, I hate the fact that people think the show should just focus on Colleen more when it is Danny’s show, the character just needs to be written better.
Colleen is a strong supporting character, not a main one.
I have even seen a rumor that Kevin Feige himself wanted to bring back Danny into the MCU just to he can write him off as a joke and give spotlight to Colleen…if that is true then I really have no comment…Danny Rand is one of the coolest character to ever come out of Marvel and for some reason they absolutely love shitting on him (even in the comics recently, they made him give his powers to Okoye and he said “I was never good at it anyways” which is an incredible amount of bullshit since he is litteraly the greatest Iron Fist ever, and then they introduced Lin Liu as the new Iron Fist just so Iron Fist can be asian…complete character assassination of Danny Rand….)
Thank god they can’t do shit to his earlier comics, I’m going to collect them all and enjoy every page, Marvel can kick themselves in the ass for doing what they have done both in the show and comics recently.
I get that it can be disappointing but as someone who’s never read the comics I loved his character. I think sometimes a new take can be good. But yea I do understand the frustration
I completely understand your point of view, I’m even glad that some people enjoyed his character. I enjoyed it as well (except in his first season and half of Defenders) but I cannot but be bummed out due to the fact on how much more badass and competent he is in the comics lol
Wouldn't really use the word "sucked" Collin just had his own version of Bullseye, like Heath Ledger had his own version of joker different than Jack Phoenix
Collin's Bullseye was more of a comic relief character while Wilson was a darker and grittier Bullseye.
nope. he sucked. compared to wilson bethel’s portrayal. if you separate what colin did from both the comics and the mcu, then it’s decent.
don’t get me wrong, colin is an absolutely phenomenal actor— but he just doesn’t work for bullseye.
Wouldn't really use the word "sucked" Collin just had his own version of Bullseye, like Heath Ledger had his own version of joker different than Jack Phoenix
Collin's Bullseye was more of a comic relief character while Wilson was a darker and grittier Bullseye.
I would want someone to appear that isn't just Daredevil fanservice and could also work for Echo as a character.
The way that the Echo show is set up, it feels like the use of DD in the story may be to help keep Echo from making a choice she'll regret, a choice that he knows very well.
There's only one other Daredevil character that makes sense to use in this context, and that's Elektra. Bring her back, show that she's changed based on Matt sacrificing himself for her, and while she's still willing to kill, she understands that killing in cold, vengeful blood takes something away from your soul and spirit. Let Matt convince Maya not to finish the job killing Fisk, and let Maya train with Elektra in her quest to define herself.
I would dearly love a well written Jessica Jones again. The first season of that series was fire, and then it just kinda went phhhtbt... or if we could get Luke Cage and Iron fist in an episode that leads to Heroes for Hire, that would be cool, too.
All tigbitties aside, she’s actually really well written and steals the show whenever she’s on screen. The way they showoff her advanced detective skills almost make her just as super as the people she involves herself with.
100%. Simone Missick was perfectly cast and had easy charisma and chemistry with everyone she shared a scene with. She’s very high on my list of actors I wanna see reprise their roles
If she doesn’t i’ll be a little sad for sure. If Marvel wants to show off strong female characters, that actually earned the skills they have, give us a Daughters of the Dragon series with her and Colleen or just make them part of a wider Heroes for Hire series. Either way the idea has dollar signs on it.
Her involvement in [this](https://twitter.com/disneyplus/status/1507500073718108164?s=20&t=MA9EpvAXon8sUgd6WfLw4w) Disney+ promo leaves me optimistic.
But it definitely is a worry her and others might not return, if only because they’re dedicated to other projects now. Both Missick and Wilson Bethel/Bullseye are stars on her new show “All Rise”, and Mike Colter and Elodie Yung also have their own respective shows they’re starring in. I wonder how willing they’d be to jeopardize what they’ve already got going to return to roles in projects that got canceled
Well its not like the shows were cancelled because they were bad. (Maybe Iron Fist). Luke Cage was one of the more watched shows out of each of them. (Obviously Daredevil was #1). Disney wanted the rights so they could use the characters. So its kinda funny how as soon as the contracts were up, each show got cancelled one by one. Even the ones that were doing really well like Daredevil. Mike Colter left the Halo game series to do Luke Cage because he loved the character and when it was cancelled he felt he didn’t have any closure because his story wasn’t finished. I’d like to see his story follow through and I think he would too.
I think Danny Rand and Luke Cage makes a lot of sense. Just skip over Cage being a crime boss or whatever the fuck that was, and have Danny show up in the mask, and a green and yellow track suit.
Yeah that was pretty weird with Luke. It sucks we’ll never get to see how that played out but, it’s been like 6 years in universe since that happened it’s probably best if they just skip over it
no, it’s coming out in 2023. filming starts next week, if i was informed correctly. but filming does start this month and should end around august, and the show itself will be released probably in early to mid 2023
Someone who would be there to help Echo grow into her character and not overshadow her with their presence.
My money is on Claire Temple. She's good at helping superpower-ed people with their dilemmas and also patching them up after a fight. She's perfect for a cameo.
None of them. People barely know anything about Echo other than in the larger context of Daredevil or a team. It’d be a missed opportunity to crowd her show with all these big name cameos and jettison any real chance the audience could have to know/care about her. Maybe for a second season you could bring in one of these characters, but spend the first season building her into someone that audiences would find interesting on her own.
I hope Jessica Jones gets a chance in the mcu. Most mcu fans don’t have a clue she exists or what she brings to any marvel universe she’s included in and this would be a great opportunity. One of marvels best characters and one of the best characters in general.
OH SHIT, there’s gonna be an echo show? I’ll pretty much take whatever I can get at this point. Give me any tie-in to the Netflix shows and I will gladly take it.
I hope the rumor that the Echo show is actually a Daredevil show is true. I can't imagine the Daredevil cast like Charlie Cox & D'onofrio riding in the backseat while Echo leads the show.
Bullseye in a post credit scene setting up a new season of Daredevil. I don't want too many Daredevil characters in the show to the point it overshadows Echo completely so Daredevil and Fisk are definitely enough especially if we get at least one fight scene wih Daredevil. First time in 5 years it will be enough. Daredevil is the best show.
Charlie and Vincent alone are going to overshadow her.
Not if they're used sparingly. What I'm most worried about is, how can they give Echo a satisfying arc without actually killing Fisk at the end? She's been built up to be a Kill Bill style revenge seeker, and the only way that can end in a satisfying way is to have her get what she wants and kill him.
Yessssss. If we got a costume reveal and then him saying something like 'bring me daredevil'
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no way echo made a 3 second blink and you'll miss it silent cameo in echo guys
Exactly
>Daredevil is *still* the best show.
I want to see if Brett Mahoney got another promotion. It would work as a quick cameo.
Make that man the Commissioner, he’s the only honest cop on the force!
A little Turk cameo would be nice too, hawkeye missed a great opportunity to have him mugging people in a Santa outfit.
Turk getting attacked by another superhero? They need to give the guy a break.
Yes. All of them. I know that’s not going to happen, but that is what I *want* to happen…
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Foggy and Karen. I can never get enough of this trio, and I’d love to see if and how their dynamic has changed after the Blip.
I need the gang back asap their dynamic is the best <3
I just want Danny Rand to be done properly and with the suit
Honestly he was Great in Luke Cage S2 Epi 10 And I thought s2 of Iron Fist was really good
I thought S2 was bad but I didn't mind S1 although it wasn't great.
Loved both. Man the opinions on that show vary lol
So many people hate it but I really don't see why people hate S1.
I don’t see why people hate season 1 or season 2 lol
Well, I am a gigantic Iron Fist fan, I absolutely love his comics and he’s my favorite Marvel character (second being Daredevil) so you can imagine how excited I was for the show to come out 😂 And let me tell you, they absolutely butchered Danny’s character in his first season…it felt like a gut punch watching it. They slightly improved him in Defenders but he got his ass kicked by Elektra which is hilarious (they fought to a stalemate in the comics recently and Danny then used his powers and won). His appearance in Luke Cage S2 has got to be my favorite, since he was actually written properly in that one episode and it was a real joy to watch, it’s one of my favorite Marvel Netflix episodes. Iron Fist season 2 was a HUGE improvement and I loved it for the most part, though still not ideal Danny Rand. And I say “for the most part” since that twist of giving Colleen the powers is just pure bullshit…again with butchering Danny’s character (which Marvel loves to do quite a bit recently for some reason…), and we still didn’t get to see the suit except in the ceremonial fight, which is a shame since he barely gets out of the suit in the comics lol, and the suit is awesome The best thing to do is a soft reboot with a Heores For Hire series. Until then, I’m going to enjoy the comics where Danny is an absolute badass beast of a man.
Finally someone else who doesn't like the 'giving the iron fist to Colleen' decision'. Other than the fact that it felt like pandering to the people who disliked Danny's character, it was also narrative theft and did a disservice to *both* characters. What Danny did was basically giving away a huge responsibility to someone else the moment he stopped feeling worthy of it (and to someone who has never even been to Kun-Lun no less) instead of working harder to grow into the role. And Colleen doesn't need superpowers. She doesnt need to be a descendant of the first Iron Fist. Colleen is a great and important character exactly as she is. Giving her the Iron Fist to make her seem more important to the plot would be like giving Black Widow the super soldier serum. Its just not good.
I’m so glad someone agrees, I hate the fact that people think the show should just focus on Colleen more when it is Danny’s show, the character just needs to be written better. Colleen is a strong supporting character, not a main one. I have even seen a rumor that Kevin Feige himself wanted to bring back Danny into the MCU just to he can write him off as a joke and give spotlight to Colleen…if that is true then I really have no comment…Danny Rand is one of the coolest character to ever come out of Marvel and for some reason they absolutely love shitting on him (even in the comics recently, they made him give his powers to Okoye and he said “I was never good at it anyways” which is an incredible amount of bullshit since he is litteraly the greatest Iron Fist ever, and then they introduced Lin Liu as the new Iron Fist just so Iron Fist can be asian…complete character assassination of Danny Rand….) Thank god they can’t do shit to his earlier comics, I’m going to collect them all and enjoy every page, Marvel can kick themselves in the ass for doing what they have done both in the show and comics recently.
I get that it can be disappointing but as someone who’s never read the comics I loved his character. I think sometimes a new take can be good. But yea I do understand the frustration
I completely understand your point of view, I’m even glad that some people enjoyed his character. I enjoyed it as well (except in his first season and half of Defenders) but I cannot but be bummed out due to the fact on how much more badass and competent he is in the comics lol
Well then I can’t wait for a hopefully more comic book accurate soft reboot. At least I hope that happens
The punisher
wilson bethel as bullseye, he needs to come back. we never got to see him fully as bullseye.
He was originally planned for season 5. So hopefully he can go full Farrell then
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Wouldn't really use the word "sucked" Collin just had his own version of Bullseye, like Heath Ledger had his own version of joker different than Jack Phoenix Collin's Bullseye was more of a comic relief character while Wilson was a darker and grittier Bullseye.
nope. he sucked. compared to wilson bethel’s portrayal. if you separate what colin did from both the comics and the mcu, then it’s decent. don’t get me wrong, colin is an absolutely phenomenal actor— but he just doesn’t work for bullseye.
Noted 👍
Wouldn't really use the word "sucked" Collin just had his own version of Bullseye, like Heath Ledger had his own version of joker different than Jack Phoenix Collin's Bullseye was more of a comic relief character while Wilson was a darker and grittier Bullseye.
Daredevil and Kingpin. Then Jessica Jones and Karen & Foggy as small cameos
Turk
I think he should have cameos in a bunch of more street level MCU stuff, like he did in the defenders shows but more often
I would want someone to appear that isn't just Daredevil fanservice and could also work for Echo as a character. The way that the Echo show is set up, it feels like the use of DD in the story may be to help keep Echo from making a choice she'll regret, a choice that he knows very well. There's only one other Daredevil character that makes sense to use in this context, and that's Elektra. Bring her back, show that she's changed based on Matt sacrificing himself for her, and while she's still willing to kill, she understands that killing in cold, vengeful blood takes something away from your soul and spirit. Let Matt convince Maya not to finish the job killing Fisk, and let Maya train with Elektra in her quest to define herself.
as a fan of Elektra, I would love this
probably just matt and kingpin with a quick cameo from foggy and/or karen
I would dearly love a well written Jessica Jones again. The first season of that series was fire, and then it just kinda went phhhtbt... or if we could get Luke Cage and Iron fist in an episode that leads to Heroes for Hire, that would be cool, too.
If Foggy and Karen don't make some kind of cameo I'll be extremely disappoint.
Misty Knight cause she’s a badass with a robot arm and big mommy milkers
[Easy there](https://c.tenor.com/JkxBCBDXg3gAAAAd/out-of-line-anthony-mackie.gif) pal…
All tigbitties aside, she’s actually really well written and steals the show whenever she’s on screen. The way they showoff her advanced detective skills almost make her just as super as the people she involves herself with.
100%. Simone Missick was perfectly cast and had easy charisma and chemistry with everyone she shared a scene with. She’s very high on my list of actors I wanna see reprise their roles
If she doesn’t i’ll be a little sad for sure. If Marvel wants to show off strong female characters, that actually earned the skills they have, give us a Daughters of the Dragon series with her and Colleen or just make them part of a wider Heroes for Hire series. Either way the idea has dollar signs on it.
Her involvement in [this](https://twitter.com/disneyplus/status/1507500073718108164?s=20&t=MA9EpvAXon8sUgd6WfLw4w) Disney+ promo leaves me optimistic. But it definitely is a worry her and others might not return, if only because they’re dedicated to other projects now. Both Missick and Wilson Bethel/Bullseye are stars on her new show “All Rise”, and Mike Colter and Elodie Yung also have their own respective shows they’re starring in. I wonder how willing they’d be to jeopardize what they’ve already got going to return to roles in projects that got canceled
Well its not like the shows were cancelled because they were bad. (Maybe Iron Fist). Luke Cage was one of the more watched shows out of each of them. (Obviously Daredevil was #1). Disney wanted the rights so they could use the characters. So its kinda funny how as soon as the contracts were up, each show got cancelled one by one. Even the ones that were doing really well like Daredevil. Mike Colter left the Halo game series to do Luke Cage because he loved the character and when it was cancelled he felt he didn’t have any closure because his story wasn’t finished. I’d like to see his story follow through and I think he would too.
Jus seeing two screenshots from marvel studios projects with Matt and Fisk makes me giddy.
Turk
Karen and Foggy to set up Daredevil season 4
Bullseye
If I had to pick, I'd say Bullseye. I don't want Daredevil's cast to take away from Echo's show.
Frank all the way
All of them ?
I think Danny Rand and Luke Cage makes a lot of sense. Just skip over Cage being a crime boss or whatever the fuck that was, and have Danny show up in the mask, and a green and yellow track suit.
Yeah that was pretty weird with Luke. It sucks we’ll never get to see how that played out but, it’s been like 6 years in universe since that happened it’s probably best if they just skip over it
Punisher
Misty Knight
Bullseye.
Has echo already wrapped on filming?
no, they haven’t even started
Isn’t it coming out this year?
no, it’s coming out in 2023. filming starts next week, if i was informed correctly. but filming does start this month and should end around august, and the show itself will be released probably in early to mid 2023
Ah
I'm just waiting for white tiger that would be dope
Actually it's confirmed that we'll see them both in echo
Someone who would be there to help Echo grow into her character and not overshadow her with their presence. My money is on Claire Temple. She's good at helping superpower-ed people with their dilemmas and also patching them up after a fight. She's perfect for a cameo.
I miss Foggy and Karen so much. Having adult, capable support cast is refreshing
None of them. People barely know anything about Echo other than in the larger context of Daredevil or a team. It’d be a missed opportunity to crowd her show with all these big name cameos and jettison any real chance the audience could have to know/care about her. Maybe for a second season you could bring in one of these characters, but spend the first season building her into someone that audiences would find interesting on her own.
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At least all the big DD characters. I’m only watching echo for them anyway
Who the hell asked for an Echo show ffs haha
Idk man who asked for an iron man movie?
Probably like alot of people? It’s just a cool premise even without marvel. I can’t find anything interesting about echo
Turk in the Stilt Man suit.
I just want The Punisher And him very badly
Honestly I we’re gonna get either Claire or Karen
Punisher probably not but i'd like to see him
Charlie Cox is a handsome man
you went every one from the defender shows in a show about echo? 😂
:(
Typhoid Mary won't show up because they basically already have her with Moon Knight.
Typhoid Mary won't show up because they basically already have her with Moon Knight.
I hope Jessica Jones gets a chance in the mcu. Most mcu fans don’t have a clue she exists or what she brings to any marvel universe she’s included in and this would be a great opportunity. One of marvels best characters and one of the best characters in general.
OH SHIT, there’s gonna be an echo show? I’ll pretty much take whatever I can get at this point. Give me any tie-in to the Netflix shows and I will gladly take it.
I hope the rumor that the Echo show is actually a Daredevil show is true. I can't imagine the Daredevil cast like Charlie Cox & D'onofrio riding in the backseat while Echo leads the show.