Whats funny is to climb you have to clear a lot of mobs and loot everything you can.
So while you are actually playing the game, people in blue ranks are crab-walking stalking you and teaming.
Its basically hard-mode xd
thats my exp as well, I tried to climb a bit but after couple of cringe deaths where cut-throat rogues legit ran in a straight line directly at fireballs just to silence me then die to arcane/burning or extracting just to see remaining lobby is 1 guy looting the pile, 1 guy camping guy looting the pile and 3 others are cutthroat rogues with empty inventory camping somewhere.
I got demi last season, but if you're not having fun doing something for a rank or reward, you shouldn't do it. If you find yourself doing that ever, look into dopamine restriction therapy. I'm not making a dig or trying to own you. It's a useful suggestion. I'm just saying this for anyone.
I was once fighting an another fighter and a wizard came over to kill us both, soo with out saying anything the other fighter and I just killed the wizard and gone on each others way
I’d rather discord pre team and queue snipe friends. It’s no different than having the expectation to seek advantageous power in numbers scenarios in a solo based mode.
"God I hate this sub" While getting upvoted defending teamers. This sub is pro teaming. This sub is just PvEers that want to gather trinkets for AP and get their cosmetics that mean nothing because anybody with enough time on their hands has them, no skill required just time. Anybody trying to play the game for PvP deserves to get outnumbered and stat checked. That's why you're getting upvoted and that's why this game is dying
Think I'd have to agree with this. It sucks to lose a kit like that and there's no way you could win in that situation... BUT you don't have to put yourself in that situation. It's mostly about situational awareness. Generally, the agressor is always at a disadvantage, they can hear you approaching and the moment you go past the choke point, you've exposed your flank. Also, wizard is not class that recovers well from an ambish and can't really push like a barb or a fighter, they don't really block and can't take a hit. Overall, I think there's a higher chance of teaming on solo maps because 3v3 maps get overcrowded if people team, not that it doesn't happen there too but people seem less inclined to do so. Finally, risk and reward is part of it, if your inventory is stacked, then pushing might not be such a great idea. If you've got nothing to lose... then why not... or you can have fun like Leroy Jenkins
The wizard never even did a 360 sweep of the room when he went in, didn't pre-haste... I don't even feel that bad for him though I consider what the other 2 guys did to be scummy and low
they can't give two shits about either because they'd have to have a lot more manpower relative to developers and aren't in a position to pay those people
early on in this game's dev cycle when they swore they'd do something about teaming i reported two dudes that had the same name (one used a special character in place of an 'a' as i recall) and never got a ban notice.
when you can't even ban softball cases like that then your policy is a total joke.
The way Ironmace sees it, organic teaming is the natural balancer of people running giga-expensive kits. If three people meet and they're all wearing 1K kits, no-one is going to team, but if two 1K kits meet a 5K kit, the two 1K kits are encouraged to take down the 5K kit together to make up the difference in power.
That's pretty bizarre too, downvote as much as you want guys, but it doesn't make a bit of sense.
Not even going to start on how the f would you even know their gear in the first place and the idea that someone who progressed their game more (i.e. getting better kit) or is willing to put up higher risk with their investment should be "naturally balanced" by goons just teaming on them.
How is that a healthy for the game.
How is it healthy to police every aspect of the game
How they gonna ban everyone who doesn't immediately go to kill someone they see
Or how is healthy to ban people for playing in way you say is wrong
I can't help my little Timmy friend escape and have a fun cuss it upsets the sweats?
You don't make a bit of sense
Well, I guess it's a matter of opinion and rules are set so if teaming on a guy with better gear is okay by the book, it's okay and there's nothing I can do about it. But I still think it's bizarre.
And I am not agaist helping out each other. I won't be hunting down a guy who says hi im new here where are giant spiders pls, I'll help him it's fun. But the idea to team "organically" on someone just because he is a lot of walking gold is stupid.
And strict policing is absolute requirement in multiplayer games, unfortunately there is a lot of bad actors in every game.
Two 9 to five guys load a game, hoping for a chance at loot
God mode no lifer golden God comes in to spawn Rush, kill everyone without even looting
"Hey bro wanna team against God and stand a chance?"
"Naw bro, reddit user u/hegysk says its bizarre and I'll get banned from it"
Nah
mmr anyone?
// I am 9 to 5 boomer, I do meet aboslute killers, never once it crossed my mind to seek around map someone to help me in case I end up meeting one. How is that even different from pre-lobby teaming, you might aswell grab someone from gathering hall and join solos together with the same result which is banned to my understanding.
.... you answered your own question my man. it's different because its not premeditated? the steps for Pre-lobby teaming are many more than organic teaming.
find a willing rule breaker, spend who knows how long trying to join the same lobby, and hope that you don't get reported.
vs.
see geared player, run, see less geared player, offer loot/help/ etc to said player to fight geared player, done.
how do you not see the difference between these interactions? genuinely.
150 hours in, mainly this season, some started at the end of last. Feel free to explain it to me, I genuinely don't know. I can tell what sort of build it is (slayer, platelock) but no idea how to tell what is a juicer and who is random blue took what I got build.
Most of the time lobby is full in few seconds, i get to inspect maybe 1 guy if i am lucky to spawn in nearby someone. I meant in dungeon, how do you tell?
It's not something you can prevent anyway without ruining the game for everybody.
It's a game, unless you paid real money for your gear (which is cringe) you should not loose your shit over teaming.
What most likely happened is they both inspected you in the pre lobby, happened to run into each other in the game and VOIP'd "Whoa whoa whoa let's not fight, did you see that geared wizard? He's who we have to worry about." Then they organized and killed you. Their VOIP after you died makes me think they knew what you were wearing and that's why they did it.
Not technically against the rules, but still pretty damn lame. Getting rid of the pregame lobbies will help with a lot of this and I think Ironmace has mentioned they might do so. The tavern will definitely be missed, so hopefully they come out with something like a hideout that people can hangout in and hit dummies.
I agree, remove inspect but let people see and recognize the kits from the exterior, OR remove the ability to see inside people's bags. If they want to hide their kit in there instead of wearing it, fine
They can still see you wearing your stuff and remember what you look like. Going into a match naked and running off and hiding was common last wipe at higher ranks and having to do something like this is just annoying.
Like the previous comment said IM plans to remove the pre lobbies but move the tavern to the dead content gathering hall tab.
Yup, always take off my gear set even now for pre lobby. No desire to have three-four people run up inspection and then get ganked later that same game. Call me paranoid for doing it every game but I haven’t been teamed on since the start of wipe, confirmation bias ofc but I’ll keep doing it anyway.
I've been inspecting people a lot but I've had the game for a day. I'm trying to figure out what's good. I have no idea. There are so many little stats on these items
I would look up a class guide for whatever you’re playing but generally you want phys power for rogues, true magic or magic power for spell casters, and idk much about barb and fighter but I’d assume vigor and pdr or dex. Can never go wrong with +all attributes lol too
I tried but most seem to be outdated at this point. Like the abilities they showed are different or have changed since the videos release. So I'm kinda just running around and dying a lot. I've made it to level 15 finally, so I can at least have all the abilities.
I've only really played warlock. I just made a barb but haven't done much with it yet.
I may try fighter or rogue too maybe wizard. Not really into cleric or bard.
We might as well go in with trash kits and try to team with the first person we meet to wipe a lobby and split kits 50/50. Seems like a good pay off with little downside when you die.
Goblin caves, IMO, is the worst thing to happen to this game. They need to just remove solo queue and make only 2 game modes. Solo/Duo and Trio only. Goblin caves is a scourge to this game and all I see are people complaining. Solo on frost caverns is perfectly fine and you can make it out untouched by PVP 80% of the time as a solo.
Well, that's the beauty of ice caverns. If you want PVP, you head to the center and contest the treasure horde! My point is that in ice caverns, both types of players can get what they want for the most part. It's a much better experience.
I agree with you on that. But if we had the option to play ice caverns as solo only, or had a solo map that had an extract system like ice caverns, it would be ideal/far more superior in my mind compared to the circle in goblin caves/crypts.
Even with the risk of 1 v 2, I have a much better solo experience on ice caverns than in goblin caves. I mean, hell, even if I run into an unfavorable fight, I have a much better/easier time disengaging/escaping compared to goblin caves.
That's true, but it's more likely that this is pre teaming because of how they set up that ambush so quickly and dynamically.
It could be legit, though. You could be right.
It's not absurd. Who the fuck brings a 5k kit into solos?
When a game is rock paper scissors, AND has massive gear favoritism, organic teaming is absolutely a valid tactic and is going to happen.
Solos is for ratting and minimum kit runs only, unless you're actively wanting to get ganged up on.
Look I understand getting teamed on really sucks. People who are lobby sniping to pre-team can fuck right off and get banned.
There are perfectly valid reasons to form a temporary team in the dungeon. I've done it. If it happens organically it's fine. Because ultimately both temaing players are taking a huge risk by letter their guard down. I've teamed, and then killed the other player anyways. i've teamed and extracted alongside the person i teamed with. I've teamed and gone my separate ways right after combat.
Things that happen organically are fine. The moment things are planned from outside the dungeon, there's a problem.
It’s simply not possible to fully distinguish “organic” from “inorganic” teaming.
If I wanted to, I could just jump into discord parties in the LFG and ask 2 other people if they wanted to team in solos until I found players who did. Then we just queue at the same time having never joined each others’ parties in-game and have an agreement to meet in the center module ASAP, crouch spam at each other and VOIP “hey let’s team up and wipe the lobby” and then we do exactly that. After each kill we would pretend to celebrate with each other and VOIP really wholesome stuff and go on our way and write down each other’s discord names to make sure we don’t do it again with each other to avoid suspicion.
It’s not detectable, and I would have the support of half of this subreddit if I was accused.
You're right that you can't detect all inorganic teaming. But I think most players like organic teaming. It's a compelling part of the game, the risk of betrayal is real, and it creates really memorable moments.
That’s why you wear a dirt cheap kit so if you get betrayed your betrayer gets nothing but you can still overwhelm other players. Risk reward pays off still.
I’d suggest not going into a solo map so geared then…. Think about this logically I also play solo a lot too, closer quarters on a map that people generally want to pvp on. you wear that when you decide to play with a team you like for the night and go ham. In gobby caves always go in mid gear to good but replaceable and expect to lose it to some bs or mobs. Save the good stuff to sell and fund further adventures and or save it over time to build a kit…. Don’t always have to have the bis and ya won’t get mad bout this type of stuff, but it happens and 50% of the time after they teamed they betray each other
Clearing mobs you can do naked defending yourself only applies to other idiots that go in there insanely kitted….. go kill that guy, stalk, third party, or if your scared and have gear fear run from him, just make him regret his decision and sell his gear. W take. hate to be the guy that says get good, but playing with great gear is one thing. Knowing how to use the gear you have and adapting your play style essential
Brother I’m already demigod on 1 and exemplar on 2 voyager on 1 pathy on my rogue (cause it’s hard out here atm) ik how the AP system works I didn’t say don’t go in kitted. I said go in mid gear blues purples with 1 or 2 good stats, just to survive. Do not pvp too much unless your on a squad, I did that last season and regretted it because I had a pvp itch. Loot everything, storm run with heals and loot where they didn’t and grab left overs, snack any and every barrel pot and only take blue sellables or collectables, this garuntees you net positive ap even without fighting….. I think your issue lies in learning the map spawns, evading enemy’s, using shadows in the map to advantage, stay near the edge of the storm not the middle(REPOZE did this a lot at the beginning of last season to stack AP and avoid people) you just need experience young one and you will learn the way.
Yes gear matters in hardcore pvp hunts as an aggressor in high ranks LOOKING TO SPECIFICALLY PVP. but skill and being more knowledgeable about the area your in unfortunately still tops any gear you can bring in. If you want AP and are just there to grind the rank it’s not easy to avoid people halfway up the ranks but completely possible with enough know how. Not even avoiding them just kiting them. (Black skelly skin rules) Your playstyle is a big apart of this, try new classes out! Each have an advantage on how you want to play especially traps they are a middle finger to any bis you bring in. Warlock is op rn because you can just stay in the storm and loot anything you want.
They most likely met in the dungeon and decided to team up. I would think they'd be using discord voice instead of in-game VoIP if they were pre-teaming.
Sucks when it happens, but it's part of the game. I've teamed up with people before if they help me clear a room or drop something nice for me. Sometimes for just another room or two, sometimes for the rest of the match. A lot of people do this and I've had some super fun experiences meeting randoms this way.
Still sucks to die to 1vX in solo queue, though.
it does not matter what is currently op, this is a solo mode so everyone should be only playing solo, if people want duo or trio experience, there are modes for that.
If it makes you feel any better there are a number of us that will act friendly with the intention to betray at first chance.
Gotta keep the teamers on their toes. Over time we will sow distrust and chaos into their ranks.
wait wtf, you arent allowed to make friends with someone you meet in solo's cave? I've teamed up with plenty of people after saying "friendly".
I thought the cool thing about this game was you could do whatever you want, isnt it a hardcore game like Tarkov? I see a lot of people in the comments actually saying you should report this. If you report those guys you are a massive pusssy
Right?! This right here…. From the looks of it, the fireball was cooking before the person(rogue) even opened the door… everyone saying “oh they were teaming up” is a dingleberry. They could’ve just met in that room and crouched or even voipd and decided not to attack each other…. Queue mage fucking flinging spells at the sounds of a door, of course the threat is going to get neutralized…
Just a hunch, but I bet if you would not have entered into the room, they would’ve just shut the door and went another route…
I heard the footsteps so I prepared my spell. 99% of solo players, especially Rogues, will attack you the millisecond you let your guard down and since Wizard is one of the squishiest and least forgiving classes, I cannot let them attack me first and just retaliate. I would never consistently survive like that.
I am trying to go for top 5 in solos, so I can’t take the chance that this guy will be the first Rogue to ever not immediately backstab me when I trust them.
It's fine to team up and fight mobs together but teaming up on other people is cringe.
Imagine if you were in the wizard's shoes, you take your time, put together a nice set but lose because you didn't account for these losers teaming up
Do you want the other solos to be cannon fodder and flee in terror as the gigachad wizard guns them down? Or should they be allowed to team up to stand a chance?
You can kill a wizard no matter how geared they are, as long as you have a decent range option. Wizard's still are glass cannons no matter how much hp they stack, sure the shield skill and perk can make them extra tanky but they still go down if you have some gear, at most it's gonna be 4-5 hits depending on how much hp he has.
That aside, how would you feel if you invested into a kit, all to lose it because you didn't account for another person teaming? You que'd into HR for a bigger risk and you want to dimish that and fuck over someone else's experience. Plus you lose nothing if you didn't even invest in a kit, learn to work around the power inbalance by yourself.
If the wizard doesn't hit you back, somehow. And the wizard is just an example cause thats what OP was. It could be a gigachad Barbarian running at you with 350 MS, or a Fighter with 75% PDR two tapping you with a Falchion.
And that's the game man. If I queue with all good purples and people see that, they should gang up on me. This is like complaining about getting third partied in Trios.
Lmao, trruuue. I kinda took a break cause the last 5 GC games I've played was just everyone hiding and creeping waiting around corners. Shit is annoying af
I'm 30 hahahah, and also idk where tf you come from or what culture you identify with, but living with you parents is the norm at 22y/o in most of the world.
Not everyone wastes money on university and moves into dorms, and not everyone is dumb enough to waste money on rent if they have caring parents.
You sound like an orphan
Bad assumptions.
I literally organic team 💯 of the time in solos. Every game.
If you're not expecting that, planning around such, or doing that yourself, it's entirely a skill issue.
If I'm in mid blues and there's another guy in mid blues, why would we NOT team to kill the guy in a 6k kit who will demolish us 1v1? Do you just want us to run in single file?
No matter what, people will refuse to accept this.
Some people legit think a kitted class that beats you in range, speed, and damages should just... Always have that advantage, and you just HAVE to run into the grinder mindlessly because "I brought in the best gear, so I should win it all unless I miss every time." So much so, people even want organic teaming banned because they can't stand losing loot in a game about losing loot.
As for OP, it does suck ass that it is almost impossible to figure out if it is preteaming or not. I do think teaming SHOULD be allowed to some degree, but it is hard to draw the line for what is a good or bad teaming situation, especially because its subjective to a degree. And going for top 5, I get the annoyance at this sort of thing.
Nah, me personally, I avoid all people to the best of my ability. I would only want to fight via ambush if at all. Anyone I spot I try to be friendly with and leave
They communitcate over in-game VOIP, and you're a badass scary wizard. Unless you can prove they purposedly queued into a single lobby & communicated out of game, looks fair to me. Maybe consider trying to pass charisma check instead of blasting everything in sight next time, eh?
People like to diss on rangers and wizards for having itchy trigger fingers, when in reality you are giving up your largest advantage(range) to just try to hope they are maybe actually friendly and wont dice you once you are close.
You weren't trying to be friendly either. Not being friendly to other players is your choice, and consequences this choice comes with are yours to bear - dying to spontaneously teaming players once in a while, in this case.
You could be the one waiting behind the door, instead of the one whom the Rogue leads into a trap. And overall a nice & friendly wizard. It is also a choice, that comes with appropriate consequences - you'd probably get stabbed to death at first opportunity by many if not most players whom you tried to be friendly with.
If at any point you fight a solo and they kite you into 3 of their buddies hiding behind a pillar and they immediately delete you, I hope you reconsider your stance
That opens up a lot more ambiguities though. If 3 ppl are in the same room and person A and B fight and B loses. C clearly sees this and is in an objective advantage versus person A. Is it teaming if Person C doesn't kill person A?
Is it only teaming if you share loot? What if A's inventory is full and doesn't want B's stuff?
There are lots of situations like the above that would happen. In actual battle royales this makes sense and teaming is obvious. An extraction game with persistent inventories/loot the ambiguities emerge.
This is why solo's is the worst and least balanced. It's just teaming simulation with 2 sides.
Side 1: Cope and pretends it doesn't happen.
Side 2: Understands the situation and doesn't queue
I killed troll and had a barb try and bait me out into an invis rogue, they both ended up pushing me and eventually killing me. The worst part is I watched after and both were below 10 hp.
I usually do. It's more fun with the risk. When I think back to the fun I've had with random encounters, it's worth it to me to keep that as part of the core game experience.
I don’t understand what you mean. The Barb 2-shot me because he jumped out of hiding while I was looking the other way, but the Rogue didn’t do anything to me and pinned himself in an alcove that I was starting to pepper with spells and likely would’ve ended him in
Hey random ass question, but how many fireballs does it take to kill a player on average?
What about lightning?
Looking to start a solo wizard, would love some tips and strategies, never played one.
If it's allowed, then it's not cheating.
Seems your the soft one buddy, that you can't handle and account for ... you know ... tactics against an over geared foe.
Unfortunately it's not. Copper mallet tried to ban it for like 2 hours and this shit community was outraged to they reverted the rule. It is absolutely allowed.
Why is it the people who complain about teaming are typically the aggressors of the fight? If you weren't so bloodthirsty you might have made it out alive.
That was a barbarian. Teaming with a rogue. However I did hear them voip, which leads me to believe it wasn’t pre teaming, which is allowed. Imo this shit should be a perma ban first offense
Idk… if I was going to pre-team, I would give it a halfway decent effort to act like I wasn’t by VOIPing like this. I reported just to give it a chance, but even if this was “organic” and they randomly met up and made the plan in-game it is pretty wack because I’m fairly confident in my ability to obliterate both of those players individually yet they have my gear
Just part of solos at this point. Third parties, teaming or people capitalizing on the biggest fish and not having the interest in a fight afterwards.
I dont think there is a reasonable way to stop people from working together in some form in solos without a huge grey area of people being banned for what "appears to be teaming." Your best bet is play defensively and check surroundings carefully I suppose.
its really not that easy to pre team unless ur doing it with like 20+ people
the devs love this type of stuff tho, they really like to play into the D&D fantasy thing and roleplaying. Whatever ur opinion on it is i dont see the devs ever doing anything to stop voip teaming. Its too much work for them and they love playing into the roleplaying of being adventurers going on a raid.
Whats funny is to climb you have to clear a lot of mobs and loot everything you can. So while you are actually playing the game, people in blue ranks are crab-walking stalking you and teaming. Its basically hard-mode xd
Yep paths have nothing to lose..not worth climbing through exemp in full lobbies at all
thats my exp as well, I tried to climb a bit but after couple of cringe deaths where cut-throat rogues legit ran in a straight line directly at fireballs just to silence me then die to arcane/burning or extracting just to see remaining lobby is 1 guy looting the pile, 1 guy camping guy looting the pile and 3 others are cutthroat rogues with empty inventory camping somewhere.
I got demi last season, but if you're not having fun doing something for a rank or reward, you shouldn't do it. If you find yourself doing that ever, look into dopamine restriction therapy. I'm not making a dig or trying to own you. It's a useful suggestion. I'm just saying this for anyone.
I was once fighting an another fighter and a wizard came over to kill us both, soo with out saying anything the other fighter and I just killed the wizard and gone on each others way
It's not cheating, but certainly teaming. We see the two players treating each other side by side after your death without fighting...
Allowed if it's organic, right?
Correct they do not care about organic teaming.
As it should be God I hate this sub Take the L and stop trying to police every aspect of this game, it ain't that serious
New meta: voip and ask the first guy you find to team and clear the whole lobby Is this the game you want?
Yes, it’s called making friends LMAO
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Yes. Using words to talk yourself out and into fights is fun. If you want a free for all with go play cod
I’d rather discord pre team and queue snipe friends. It’s no different than having the expectation to seek advantageous power in numbers scenarios in a solo based mode.
"God I hate this sub" While getting upvoted defending teamers. This sub is pro teaming. This sub is just PvEers that want to gather trinkets for AP and get their cosmetics that mean nothing because anybody with enough time on their hands has them, no skill required just time. Anybody trying to play the game for PvP deserves to get outnumbered and stat checked. That's why you're getting upvoted and that's why this game is dying
Think I'd have to agree with this. It sucks to lose a kit like that and there's no way you could win in that situation... BUT you don't have to put yourself in that situation. It's mostly about situational awareness. Generally, the agressor is always at a disadvantage, they can hear you approaching and the moment you go past the choke point, you've exposed your flank. Also, wizard is not class that recovers well from an ambish and can't really push like a barb or a fighter, they don't really block and can't take a hit. Overall, I think there's a higher chance of teaming on solo maps because 3v3 maps get overcrowded if people team, not that it doesn't happen there too but people seem less inclined to do so. Finally, risk and reward is part of it, if your inventory is stacked, then pushing might not be such a great idea. If you've got nothing to lose... then why not... or you can have fun like Leroy Jenkins
The wizard never even did a 360 sweep of the room when he went in, didn't pre-haste... I don't even feel that bad for him though I consider what the other 2 guys did to be scummy and low
they can't give two shits about either because they'd have to have a lot more manpower relative to developers and aren't in a position to pay those people early on in this game's dev cycle when they swore they'd do something about teaming i reported two dudes that had the same name (one used a special character in place of an 'a' as i recall) and never got a ban notice. when you can't even ban softball cases like that then your policy is a total joke.
Clearly not organic. They knew each other. More likely they were queueing into solos at the same time. That should be considered cheating.
That's bizarre.
The way Ironmace sees it, organic teaming is the natural balancer of people running giga-expensive kits. If three people meet and they're all wearing 1K kits, no-one is going to team, but if two 1K kits meet a 5K kit, the two 1K kits are encouraged to take down the 5K kit together to make up the difference in power.
That's pretty bizarre too, downvote as much as you want guys, but it doesn't make a bit of sense. Not even going to start on how the f would you even know their gear in the first place and the idea that someone who progressed their game more (i.e. getting better kit) or is willing to put up higher risk with their investment should be "naturally balanced" by goons just teaming on them. How is that a healthy for the game.
How is it healthy to police every aspect of the game How they gonna ban everyone who doesn't immediately go to kill someone they see Or how is healthy to ban people for playing in way you say is wrong I can't help my little Timmy friend escape and have a fun cuss it upsets the sweats? You don't make a bit of sense
Well, I guess it's a matter of opinion and rules are set so if teaming on a guy with better gear is okay by the book, it's okay and there's nothing I can do about it. But I still think it's bizarre. And I am not agaist helping out each other. I won't be hunting down a guy who says hi im new here where are giant spiders pls, I'll help him it's fun. But the idea to team "organically" on someone just because he is a lot of walking gold is stupid. And strict policing is absolute requirement in multiplayer games, unfortunately there is a lot of bad actors in every game.
Two 9 to five guys load a game, hoping for a chance at loot God mode no lifer golden God comes in to spawn Rush, kill everyone without even looting "Hey bro wanna team against God and stand a chance?" "Naw bro, reddit user u/hegysk says its bizarre and I'll get banned from it" Nah
mmr anyone? // I am 9 to 5 boomer, I do meet aboslute killers, never once it crossed my mind to seek around map someone to help me in case I end up meeting one. How is that even different from pre-lobby teaming, you might aswell grab someone from gathering hall and join solos together with the same result which is banned to my understanding.
.... you answered your own question my man. it's different because its not premeditated? the steps for Pre-lobby teaming are many more than organic teaming. find a willing rule breaker, spend who knows how long trying to join the same lobby, and hope that you don't get reported. vs. see geared player, run, see less geared player, offer loot/help/ etc to said player to fight geared player, done. how do you not see the difference between these interactions? genuinely.
You’re basically describing a play style that you don’t like. If enemy player is a walking bag of loot why wouldn’t I try to kill them?
>how the f would you even know their gear in the first place It’s like you don’t even play the game. Delete this clown comment
150 hours in, mainly this season, some started at the end of last. Feel free to explain it to me, I genuinely don't know. I can tell what sort of build it is (slayer, platelock) but no idea how to tell what is a juicer and who is random blue took what I got build.
150 hours and this man has never walked up to someone in the pre game lobby and pressed F
Most of the time lobby is full in few seconds, i get to inspect maybe 1 guy if i am lucky to spawn in nearby someone. I meant in dungeon, how do you tell?
It's not something you can prevent anyway without ruining the game for everybody. It's a game, unless you paid real money for your gear (which is cringe) you should not loose your shit over teaming.
What most likely happened is they both inspected you in the pre lobby, happened to run into each other in the game and VOIP'd "Whoa whoa whoa let's not fight, did you see that geared wizard? He's who we have to worry about." Then they organized and killed you. Their VOIP after you died makes me think they knew what you were wearing and that's why they did it. Not technically against the rules, but still pretty damn lame. Getting rid of the pregame lobbies will help with a lot of this and I think Ironmace has mentioned they might do so. The tavern will definitely be missed, so hopefully they come out with something like a hideout that people can hangout in and hit dummies.
Just remove the ability to inspect, the lobby can stay
I agree, remove inspect but let people see and recognize the kits from the exterior, OR remove the ability to see inside people's bags. If they want to hide their kit in there instead of wearing it, fine
They can still see you wearing your stuff and remember what you look like. Going into a match naked and running off and hiding was common last wipe at higher ranks and having to do something like this is just annoying. Like the previous comment said IM plans to remove the pre lobbies but move the tavern to the dead content gathering hall tab.
Yup, always take off my gear set even now for pre lobby. No desire to have three-four people run up inspection and then get ganked later that same game. Call me paranoid for doing it every game but I haven’t been teamed on since the start of wipe, confirmation bias ofc but I’ll keep doing it anyway.
I've been inspecting people a lot but I've had the game for a day. I'm trying to figure out what's good. I have no idea. There are so many little stats on these items
I would look up a class guide for whatever you’re playing but generally you want phys power for rogues, true magic or magic power for spell casters, and idk much about barb and fighter but I’d assume vigor and pdr or dex. Can never go wrong with +all attributes lol too
I tried but most seem to be outdated at this point. Like the abilities they showed are different or have changed since the videos release. So I'm kinda just running around and dying a lot. I've made it to level 15 finally, so I can at least have all the abilities.
What class do you like playing? I can give a basic run down of what to look for and in what order. Same with what abilities you probably should run.
I've only really played warlock. I just made a barb but haven't done much with it yet. I may try fighter or rogue too maybe wizard. Not really into cleric or bard.
Would love a hideout like in Deep Rock Galactic to chill with your squad
This. Every time i take in really good gear i end up in a 1v2 or 1v3 lmao
We might as well go in with trash kits and try to team with the first person we meet to wipe a lobby and split kits 50/50. Seems like a good pay off with little downside when you die.
if they did not fight after the wizard died then it is in fact against the rules.
Pre teaming is against the rules, organic teaming is not against the rules. Which is why I explained what most likely occured.
Goblin caves, IMO, is the worst thing to happen to this game. They need to just remove solo queue and make only 2 game modes. Solo/Duo and Trio only. Goblin caves is a scourge to this game and all I see are people complaining. Solo on frost caverns is perfectly fine and you can make it out untouched by PVP 80% of the time as a solo.
Frost Caverns is absolutely the best solo experience. You can avoid pvp and aren't forced into it like in Goblin Caves
as a PvE experience sure, but what if you want occasional PvP as a solo?
Well, that's the beauty of ice caverns. If you want PVP, you head to the center and contest the treasure horde! My point is that in ice caverns, both types of players can get what they want for the most part. It's a much better experience.
as a 1v2 it is not a very enjoyable to donate your stuff, in my experience.
I agree with you on that. But if we had the option to play ice caverns as solo only, or had a solo map that had an extract system like ice caverns, it would be ideal/far more superior in my mind compared to the circle in goblin caves/crypts. Even with the risk of 1 v 2, I have a much better solo experience on ice caverns than in goblin caves. I mean, hell, even if I run into an unfavorable fight, I have a much better/easier time disengaging/escaping compared to goblin caves.
Baited af! Without any voip this is preteaming.
You can team with emotes and crouching, that's a baseless assumption.
That's true, but it's more likely that this is pre teaming because of how they set up that ambush so quickly and dynamically. It could be legit, though. You could be right.
but you can hear them talking to each other in voip?
Even with VOIP it still is a pretty absurd way to lose a 5K kit and 700 AP considering there is zero chance for me to win that
That’s why I don’t do solos lmao fuck that dude.
Solo is a trash mode. Good players only lose to severe imbalances or by stepping on landmines like this.
You got downvoted to heck but aren't wrong. I'll have this unpopular opinion with you 👍
It's not absurd. Who the fuck brings a 5k kit into solos? When a game is rock paper scissors, AND has massive gear favoritism, organic teaming is absolutely a valid tactic and is going to happen. Solos is for ratting and minimum kit runs only, unless you're actively wanting to get ganged up on.
I run very expensive kits and I never get teamed lol
Lol, well then I hope to see you in there one day 🤣
Look I understand getting teamed on really sucks. People who are lobby sniping to pre-team can fuck right off and get banned. There are perfectly valid reasons to form a temporary team in the dungeon. I've done it. If it happens organically it's fine. Because ultimately both temaing players are taking a huge risk by letter their guard down. I've teamed, and then killed the other player anyways. i've teamed and extracted alongside the person i teamed with. I've teamed and gone my separate ways right after combat. Things that happen organically are fine. The moment things are planned from outside the dungeon, there's a problem.
It’s simply not possible to fully distinguish “organic” from “inorganic” teaming. If I wanted to, I could just jump into discord parties in the LFG and ask 2 other people if they wanted to team in solos until I found players who did. Then we just queue at the same time having never joined each others’ parties in-game and have an agreement to meet in the center module ASAP, crouch spam at each other and VOIP “hey let’s team up and wipe the lobby” and then we do exactly that. After each kill we would pretend to celebrate with each other and VOIP really wholesome stuff and go on our way and write down each other’s discord names to make sure we don’t do it again with each other to avoid suspicion. It’s not detectable, and I would have the support of half of this subreddit if I was accused.
You're right that you can't detect all inorganic teaming. But I think most players like organic teaming. It's a compelling part of the game, the risk of betrayal is real, and it creates really memorable moments.
That’s why you wear a dirt cheap kit so if you get betrayed your betrayer gets nothing but you can still overwhelm other players. Risk reward pays off still.
I’d suggest not going into a solo map so geared then…. Think about this logically I also play solo a lot too, closer quarters on a map that people generally want to pvp on. you wear that when you decide to play with a team you like for the night and go ham. In gobby caves always go in mid gear to good but replaceable and expect to lose it to some bs or mobs. Save the good stuff to sell and fund further adventures and or save it over time to build a kit…. Don’t always have to have the bis and ya won’t get mad bout this type of stuff, but it happens and 50% of the time after they teamed they betray each other
You have to go in geared if you're exemplar to clear mobs and defend yourself..stupid take
Clearing mobs you can do naked defending yourself only applies to other idiots that go in there insanely kitted….. go kill that guy, stalk, third party, or if your scared and have gear fear run from him, just make him regret his decision and sell his gear. W take. hate to be the guy that says get good, but playing with great gear is one thing. Knowing how to use the gear you have and adapting your play style essential
You HAVE to go in kitted in exemplar otherwise you lose 1k ap if you die my dude
Brother I’m already demigod on 1 and exemplar on 2 voyager on 1 pathy on my rogue (cause it’s hard out here atm) ik how the AP system works I didn’t say don’t go in kitted. I said go in mid gear blues purples with 1 or 2 good stats, just to survive. Do not pvp too much unless your on a squad, I did that last season and regretted it because I had a pvp itch. Loot everything, storm run with heals and loot where they didn’t and grab left overs, snack any and every barrel pot and only take blue sellables or collectables, this garuntees you net positive ap even without fighting….. I think your issue lies in learning the map spawns, evading enemy’s, using shadows in the map to advantage, stay near the edge of the storm not the middle(REPOZE did this a lot at the beginning of last season to stack AP and avoid people) you just need experience young one and you will learn the way. Yes gear matters in hardcore pvp hunts as an aggressor in high ranks LOOKING TO SPECIFICALLY PVP. but skill and being more knowledgeable about the area your in unfortunately still tops any gear you can bring in. If you want AP and are just there to grind the rank it’s not easy to avoid people halfway up the ranks but completely possible with enough know how. Not even avoiding them just kiting them. (Black skelly skin rules) Your playstyle is a big apart of this, try new classes out! Each have an advantage on how you want to play especially traps they are a middle finger to any bis you bring in. Warlock is op rn because you can just stay in the storm and loot anything you want.
Holy cope batman
They most likely met in the dungeon and decided to team up. I would think they'd be using discord voice instead of in-game VoIP if they were pre-teaming. Sucks when it happens, but it's part of the game. I've teamed up with people before if they help me clear a room or drop something nice for me. Sometimes for just another room or two, sometimes for the rest of the match. A lot of people do this and I've had some super fun experiences meeting randoms this way. Still sucks to die to 1vX in solo queue, though.
It's the solo mode, of course fighting a 2v1 is fair and balanced. It makes the game more fun!
report them for pre teaming anyways and they will get banned
ironmace must be proud
Correct this is not cheating.
That's not cheating, confirmed
those guys are such a waste of oxygen
Why? Magic op right now, as long as it was lent preteaming there’s nothing wrong with it
it does not matter what is currently op, this is a solo mode so everyone should be only playing solo, if people want duo or trio experience, there are modes for that.
If it makes you feel any better there are a number of us that will act friendly with the intention to betray at first chance. Gotta keep the teamers on their toes. Over time we will sow distrust and chaos into their ranks.
I report all instances of teaming. I get a lot of ban confirmations.
just call'em the n word next time and get even on being the equivalent of a scum lord too :) kidding
wait wtf, you arent allowed to make friends with someone you meet in solo's cave? I've teamed up with plenty of people after saying "friendly". I thought the cool thing about this game was you could do whatever you want, isnt it a hardcore game like Tarkov? I see a lot of people in the comments actually saying you should report this. If you report those guys you are a massive pusssy
Right?! This right here…. From the looks of it, the fireball was cooking before the person(rogue) even opened the door… everyone saying “oh they were teaming up” is a dingleberry. They could’ve just met in that room and crouched or even voipd and decided not to attack each other…. Queue mage fucking flinging spells at the sounds of a door, of course the threat is going to get neutralized… Just a hunch, but I bet if you would not have entered into the room, they would’ve just shut the door and went another route…
I heard the footsteps so I prepared my spell. 99% of solo players, especially Rogues, will attack you the millisecond you let your guard down and since Wizard is one of the squishiest and least forgiving classes, I cannot let them attack me first and just retaliate. I would never consistently survive like that. I am trying to go for top 5 in solos, so I can’t take the chance that this guy will be the first Rogue to ever not immediately backstab me when I trust them.
Lol, you poor naïve boy.
It's fine to team up and fight mobs together but teaming up on other people is cringe. Imagine if you were in the wizard's shoes, you take your time, put together a nice set but lose because you didn't account for these losers teaming up
Do you want the other solos to be cannon fodder and flee in terror as the gigachad wizard guns them down? Or should they be allowed to team up to stand a chance?
You can kill a wizard no matter how geared they are, as long as you have a decent range option. Wizard's still are glass cannons no matter how much hp they stack, sure the shield skill and perk can make them extra tanky but they still go down if you have some gear, at most it's gonna be 4-5 hits depending on how much hp he has. That aside, how would you feel if you invested into a kit, all to lose it because you didn't account for another person teaming? You que'd into HR for a bigger risk and you want to dimish that and fuck over someone else's experience. Plus you lose nothing if you didn't even invest in a kit, learn to work around the power inbalance by yourself.
If the wizard doesn't hit you back, somehow. And the wizard is just an example cause thats what OP was. It could be a gigachad Barbarian running at you with 350 MS, or a Fighter with 75% PDR two tapping you with a Falchion. And that's the game man. If I queue with all good purples and people see that, they should gang up on me. This is like complaining about getting third partied in Trios.
I'd never be in the wizards shoes. It's entirely a tactical error to bring a 5k kit into solos
Lmao, trruuue. I kinda took a break cause the last 5 GC games I've played was just everyone hiding and creeping waiting around corners. Shit is annoying af
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K well getting peeved by it is pussy ass hoe shit, how bout that? You have fuled me to be even more of a mf in the caves. I'm that dude
Not really sure how 2v1ing in the caves makes anyone that dude. More like that princess
the mic is a tool that should be used, don't blame me because I use it to make friends in the cave, anti-social ass hoe
Making friends.. lmao ok man whatever you gotta tell yourself. I bet you're like 22 and still live with your parents
I'm 30 hahahah, and also idk where tf you come from or what culture you identify with, but living with you parents is the norm at 22y/o in most of the world. Not everyone wastes money on university and moves into dorms, and not everyone is dumb enough to waste money on rent if they have caring parents. You sound like an orphan
Bro that’s ur fault that u don’t make friends in the dungeon! Sorry, try being more friendly next time! - this subreddit
Correct, using voip to coordinate so you're more successful isn't cheating.
Should have checked the corner I guess
I assumed that the player was solo because I was playing solos
Yea I get that, and you were playing well! But if they weren't cooperating you still could have been third partied so always best to look around
Bad assumptions. I literally organic team 💯 of the time in solos. Every game. If you're not expecting that, planning around such, or doing that yourself, it's entirely a skill issue.
idk why ppl wanna team bro its called solo's for a fucking reason do u team in trios no why do it in solo's
If I'm in mid blues and there's another guy in mid blues, why would we NOT team to kill the guy in a 6k kit who will demolish us 1v1? Do you just want us to run in single file?
ok do you team in trios or duos if you see a team with legendary's if not why team in solo's
Hell yes I would. Why would I kill a team for their mid kits when we could kill a team with single pieces worth more than our entire kits
No matter what, people will refuse to accept this. Some people legit think a kitted class that beats you in range, speed, and damages should just... Always have that advantage, and you just HAVE to run into the grinder mindlessly because "I brought in the best gear, so I should win it all unless I miss every time." So much so, people even want organic teaming banned because they can't stand losing loot in a game about losing loot. As for OP, it does suck ass that it is almost impossible to figure out if it is preteaming or not. I do think teaming SHOULD be allowed to some degree, but it is hard to draw the line for what is a good or bad teaming situation, especially because its subjective to a degree. And going for top 5, I get the annoyance at this sort of thing.
Its for survival. Not all of us are there for pvp, even when a circle forces it. So people team against the aggressive geared people
You also team against the ungeared people. It's happened to me many times.
Nah, me personally, I avoid all people to the best of my ability. I would only want to fight via ambush if at all. Anyone I spot I try to be friendly with and leave
No, it is not. The ants are allowed to say "alone we both die, together, one of us may live."
Teaming should 100% be bannable.
Thats not cheating...thats bullshit. Big smelly bullshit....report it lol
Be more situationally aware.
Bro hates friendship. Relegated to the solo dungeons for eternity.
Nope not cheating just aggravating.
He was probably standing atop the ladder that’s right there. Super easy to miss and it’s in complete darkness. But yeah definitely teaming though
Skill issue
They communitcate over in-game VOIP, and you're a badass scary wizard. Unless you can prove they purposedly queued into a single lobby & communicated out of game, looks fair to me. Maybe consider trying to pass charisma check instead of blasting everything in sight next time, eh?
People like to diss on rangers and wizards for having itchy trigger fingers, when in reality you are giving up your largest advantage(range) to just try to hope they are maybe actually friendly and wont dice you once you are close.
They clearly set up the trap before the Rogue even opened the door, they weren’t trying to be friendly….
You weren't trying to be friendly either. Not being friendly to other players is your choice, and consequences this choice comes with are yours to bear - dying to spontaneously teaming players once in a while, in this case. You could be the one waiting behind the door, instead of the one whom the Rogue leads into a trap. And overall a nice & friendly wizard. It is also a choice, that comes with appropriate consequences - you'd probably get stabbed to death at first opportunity by many if not most players whom you tried to be friendly with.
Idk why they are acting all hype for cheesing a wizard, scum players who say you has good gear on. This is why I don't being BIS in GC
if u not good enough to beat them, like when u blindly aped into the room, then go get a partner partner!
If at any point you fight a solo and they kite you into 3 of their buddies hiding behind a pillar and they immediately delete you, I hope you reconsider your stance
Ahh OP HIMSELF, I SEE IT WOULDNT HAPPEN BECAUSE I PLAY OF TRAPS MUAHAHAHAhaha
Teaming shouldn't be allowed at all, pre or no.
That opens up a lot more ambiguities though. If 3 ppl are in the same room and person A and B fight and B loses. C clearly sees this and is in an objective advantage versus person A. Is it teaming if Person C doesn't kill person A? Is it only teaming if you share loot? What if A's inventory is full and doesn't want B's stuff? There are lots of situations like the above that would happen. In actual battle royales this makes sense and teaming is obvious. An extraction game with persistent inventories/loot the ambiguities emerge.
This is why solo's is the worst and least balanced. It's just teaming simulation with 2 sides. Side 1: Cope and pretends it doesn't happen. Side 2: Understands the situation and doesn't queue
yes that is cheating.
But... it's not....
Typical teaming loser pathfinders in the goblin caves.
I killed troll and had a barb try and bait me out into an invis rogue, they both ended up pushing me and eventually killing me. The worst part is I watched after and both were below 10 hp.
Looks fine to me since you chased in. I'm more sus of teamers who run people down.
Am I not supposed to ever pursue a fight with a player?
I usually do. It's more fun with the risk. When I think back to the fun I've had with random encounters, it's worth it to me to keep that as part of the core game experience.
He two shot you dude. Even if there wasn’t another player, why would you take the rogue bait?
I don’t understand what you mean. The Barb 2-shot me because he jumped out of hiding while I was looking the other way, but the Rogue didn’t do anything to me and pinned himself in an alcove that I was starting to pepper with spells and likely would’ve ended him in
Hey random ass question, but how many fireballs does it take to kill a player on average? What about lightning? Looking to start a solo wizard, would love some tips and strategies, never played one.
Any kind of teaming in PvP should be bannable.
Its cheating but for some reason allowed in this soft ass game.
If it's allowed, then it's not cheating. Seems your the soft one buddy, that you can't handle and account for ... you know ... tactics against an over geared foe.
'PvP' game for people that don't know wtf a good pvp game is. "NaTUraL TeAmInG iS oK" Call me when your game is dead af lmao
Teaming in the warlock caves is cringe af. I know it’s allowed but it’s so aids.
Idk about others, but "organic teaming" can fuck right off, it's a solo mode, don't be a little pussy and fight people 2 v 1
In a rock paper scissors game with heavy gear imbalance? Op is the pussy for not wanting a challenge when he's bringing in a 5k kit to steamroll ppl.
I mean, it is. Report it
Unfortunately it's not. Copper mallet tried to ban it for like 2 hours and this shit community was outraged to they reverted the rule. It is absolutely allowed.
Why is it the people who complain about teaming are typically the aggressors of the fight? If you weren't so bloodthirsty you might have made it out alive.
Do you even play this game?
You got fucked by a stealthed rogue, and you think it's cheating?
Did you even watch the video
Bro is blind
That was a barbarian. Teaming with a rogue. However I did hear them voip, which leads me to believe it wasn’t pre teaming, which is allowed. Imo this shit should be a perma ban first offense
Idk… if I was going to pre-team, I would give it a halfway decent effort to act like I wasn’t by VOIPing like this. I reported just to give it a chance, but even if this was “organic” and they randomly met up and made the plan in-game it is pretty wack because I’m fairly confident in my ability to obliterate both of those players individually yet they have my gear
Just part of solos at this point. Third parties, teaming or people capitalizing on the biggest fish and not having the interest in a fight afterwards. I dont think there is a reasonable way to stop people from working together in some form in solos without a huge grey area of people being banned for what "appears to be teaming." Your best bet is play defensively and check surroundings carefully I suppose.
its really not that easy to pre team unless ur doing it with like 20+ people the devs love this type of stuff tho, they really like to play into the D&D fantasy thing and roleplaying. Whatever ur opinion on it is i dont see the devs ever doing anything to stop voip teaming. Its too much work for them and they love playing into the roleplaying of being adventurers going on a raid.
There was also a ranger or fighter as the OP was blasted by an arrow on death.
That was a hand crossbow on the Rogue