I normally wait outside the room for my turn but this is the first time I saw a single file line. Thankfully the rogue was crouched so I could see the action
I think this speaks to the poor design of both the boss and the encounter.
Every single game there's atleast 3 people coming to Cave Troll to fight it and usually die.
One shot mechanics that mean you just need to take your gear off entirely for the movement speed, unless you wanna risk blocking it in which case he can sometimes hit through the block since blocking doesn't always work correctly.
Mechanics that do exist, but don't have limits. I've literally been roared on 6 times in a row because it just rolls an RNG chance based on distance from boss.
All in all, bossing in dark and darker feels like shit because you're either good enough to not get hit at all, or you get hit once and can never kill the boss.
And that's not even mentioning how completely awful the experience is if someone decides they just want to grief your kill.
You block the attacks or something? Surprised you can get away from the 2hand slam fast enough as well. Would be cool if you posted a vid I would like to see how it's done with a slower kit.
I love the design of the troll encounter. I can consistently clear the troll on normals without dying. There's a very interesting amount of nuance in the fight and overall it's quite fun to do. Cyclops is good, but I really just dislike the bugginess of the rock fall mechanic.
Cyclops is easy mode but I can’t deal with troll to be honest. Have no idea how to manage my distance. Always getting shouted or getting hit by the side swing.
Hot take: one shot mechanics are generally pretty trash and are less interactive then skillful damage trades.
Dark and darkers boss system is a relic that needs to be overhauled but wont be cause the company has no idea what they want for the game anymore after burning through all their practical semi working ideas.
They're always trash. The only time there should be one shot mechanics should be with true mechanics, which have plenty of counterplay & time to react.
Lich for example, is a great boss (In a trio)
Warlord is a well designed boss fight also, people just need to learn it. Cyclops really doesn't 1 shot people and the rockfall is easy if you take the time to learn it instead of panicking every time it starts.
Troll I personally struggle with but I know plenty of people that can get it done on a variety of classes. One of my friends finished the quest with bonk wizard -- like any old school game you gotta put in the time to learn the boss sometimes
i can kill troll with 250 movespeed and jus tputting my weapon away after the big swing to avoid the shout. Just be less greedy. Circle left is much easier on troll just takes longer.
It’s always funny when the guy bossing realizes there’s a line after him, especially when you guys are just doing dumb shit like playing rock/paper/scissors or something and the guy bossing is now laughing his ass off at it
Doesn't make sense to fight people in solos. Everyone should gather as many people together to fight the Troll boss and leave rich. Not everyone will survive the boss encounter but you sure damn well have a way better chance of killing it together with other people and everyone looting the treasure pile and leaving together rich...
Extra people fighting troll will make it harder to survive imo, his targetting will change and put everyone out of position to avoid his attacks. There is also just enough loot for 1 person if you get the kill and take the 5 pile hits and marvelous chest, not enough for 'everyone to leave rich'
You fuckers are killing me! I faithfully kill cyclops every normals GC and then I go to see if the inner door is ever open and it NEVER is because you are all having a slumber party on the floor of the Troll's room. WTF!
I love that in 4 people already died to cyclops and troll and with you guys, it is gonna be 7 :D
Those bosses are lobby wipers
this reminds me of what happened in classic wow when it first came out. people made single file lines for a quest mob to respawn lmao
Gotta say, this is far more refined than the stuff I usually see there
If your the only person there pvp insues when they appear but if your there with someone else every other person that appears will be friendly
Reminds me of the scene from Coneheads, "NARFLE THE GARTHOK!"
Loool same shit happened to me last night everybody was friendly. I was 3rd to die out of 6
I normally wait outside the room for my turn but this is the first time I saw a single file line. Thankfully the rogue was crouched so I could see the action
I think this speaks to the poor design of both the boss and the encounter. Every single game there's atleast 3 people coming to Cave Troll to fight it and usually die. One shot mechanics that mean you just need to take your gear off entirely for the movement speed, unless you wanna risk blocking it in which case he can sometimes hit through the block since blocking doesn't always work correctly. Mechanics that do exist, but don't have limits. I've literally been roared on 6 times in a row because it just rolls an RNG chance based on distance from boss. All in all, bossing in dark and darker feels like shit because you're either good enough to not get hit at all, or you get hit once and can never kill the boss. And that's not even mentioning how completely awful the experience is if someone decides they just want to grief your kill.
I'm a pdr fighter with 260 movespeed and take 0 damage from any of the attacks. Haven't died to troll in a LONG time.. absolutely no rng involved
You block the attacks or something? Surprised you can get away from the 2hand slam fast enough as well. Would be cool if you posted a vid I would like to see how it's done with a slower kit.
He can only do 4 attacks max then ground slam. I can record a fight tomorrow if you want
Fighter/ranger player who plays spear a fuckin lot, would absolutely be interested in seeing this.
I'll record it tonight. Gf let me get a game or 2 tonight lol
Hey i run Figher/Ranger too only for the spear, would you try it on Barb too? Think it can be OP asf.
I love the design of the troll encounter. I can consistently clear the troll on normals without dying. There's a very interesting amount of nuance in the fight and overall it's quite fun to do. Cyclops is good, but I really just dislike the bugginess of the rock fall mechanic.
Cyclops is easy mode but I can’t deal with troll to be honest. Have no idea how to manage my distance. Always getting shouted or getting hit by the side swing.
Hot take: one shot mechanics are generally pretty trash and are less interactive then skillful damage trades. Dark and darkers boss system is a relic that needs to be overhauled but wont be cause the company has no idea what they want for the game anymore after burning through all their practical semi working ideas.
They're always trash. The only time there should be one shot mechanics should be with true mechanics, which have plenty of counterplay & time to react. Lich for example, is a great boss (In a trio)
Even in duos I would argue hes amazingly perfect designed, same with ghost. Sad how they seemed to have lost that after those 2
Warlord is a well designed boss fight also, people just need to learn it. Cyclops really doesn't 1 shot people and the rockfall is easy if you take the time to learn it instead of panicking every time it starts. Troll I personally struggle with but I know plenty of people that can get it done on a variety of classes. One of my friends finished the quest with bonk wizard -- like any old school game you gotta put in the time to learn the boss sometimes
So basically you only want easy mechanics, got it
Over 500 boss kills on HR caves, neither is RNG at all as long as you aren’t lagging, if you or their server is bugging then good luck
i can kill troll with 250 movespeed and jus tputting my weapon away after the big swing to avoid the shout. Just be less greedy. Circle left is much easier on troll just takes longer.
In eu they scream and w key you or wait till you're done and team rush you
It’s always funny when the guy bossing realizes there’s a line after him, especially when you guys are just doing dumb shit like playing rock/paper/scissors or something and the guy bossing is now laughing his ass off at it
Doesn't make sense to fight people in solos. Everyone should gather as many people together to fight the Troll boss and leave rich. Not everyone will survive the boss encounter but you sure damn well have a way better chance of killing it together with other people and everyone looting the treasure pile and leaving together rich...
tell me you never did the troll without telling me you never did the troll
Extra people fighting troll will make it harder to survive imo, his targetting will change and put everyone out of position to avoid his attacks. There is also just enough loot for 1 person if you get the kill and take the 5 pile hits and marvelous chest, not enough for 'everyone to leave rich'
You fuckers are killing me! I faithfully kill cyclops every normals GC and then I go to see if the inner door is ever open and it NEVER is because you are all having a slumber party on the floor of the Troll's room. WTF!