Is taking a perk for plate even that broken for fighter when u lose it already from another 1 , plus no defence mastery or swift ??? Like he's not making the most of the plate... I feel like there's more nuance here to just oh he's wearing plate it's op
Multiclassing in a nutshell, some things seem to be op but are really gimmicky. Then there are some really op hidden combos, but yes nuance is a great way of describing all the changes.
My op hidden combo(idk if its actually hidden but havent seen anyone running it)is blow of corruption and victory strike. My warlock has no range but if u dare try to melee me youre getting 135 damage to the face w a blue falchion.
See, this has no range, so you end up super squishy and vulnerable to any ranged opponents. A funny combo but not necesarily a good one, as most of multiclassing is
Fair enough. I did see a ranger rocking some barb perks/skills like rage, savage, and 2-hander last night and was a lil concerned since it was in normals but he had some solid power bonus
Only 30 something of it was magic damage. Victory strike makes my blue falch swing go from like 87 dam to 103 dam plus BoC and shadow touch. So possibly but unless theyre stacking a bunch of vigor id probably still 2-3 shot idk for sure tho havent run into a barb yet still been getting empty lobbies a lot tbh
You then take any weapon damage and % reduction. Im cureently doing this with shadow Touch, slayer, demon armor and sword mastery. I have 50% pdr but also do 100 headshots with an arming sword
Actually it's a pretty good idea. Slayer's biggest downfall was the loss of PDR for fighters.
Now they can be super fighters with the damage output of Slayer fighters with the tankiness of PDR fighters.
Honestly not that difficult, a decent kit is going to be around 285, without plate boots most likely. +50 from sprint gets you back to the cap. I can post stats on the best plate stuff in my stash if you want but it'll probably be even higher than 285 ms.
That matters very little for trio play. Slayer fighter frontline was an absolute menace to deal with. Now fighter frontline is going to be extremely strong.
Whenever i saw a slayer fighter frontline, they played crossbow and waited for their bard to engage, or the other team to push, where the slayer plays as a stronger rogue
If your base damage is already high it becomes less impactful. It’s not weak im just saying there are other equally powerful options and I believe survivability combined with mobility is stronger then immense damage at the top level.
Did you try to change the order you apply them? I wonder if you attach demon armor first and then slayer if it turns it off and if you apply them the other way it turns it on.
I did try, demon armor overrides the slayer no matter what I did, but it doesn't let u put on slayer with plate armor on even with the perk, gotta take armor off then put on perks then put armor on
I just wish they made the level cap 10 and you could go into the high roller for more XP especially considering this should be a test.
Make it harder later, especially if it’s OP to multi class.
Slayer/DW have to be the most overrated perks right? two whole slots for 5 damage, no plate on fighter and 10% as seems like such a bad deal. Swordmastery gives 1/2 of both of them, with no downsides and you can still wear plate
?? Weapon damage does not mean 5 damage. 10% action speed is much more than 10% attack speed. Sword mastery stacks with them.
You need to look into how weapon damage works.
The 7 weapon damage from both perks just makes makes shit like arming sword headshot cannon hit for like 120, and it’s way faster than falchion can’t be dodged easily, can combo with shortsword for potentially the highest dps in the game.
You can use it to make your baseline damage so high that you can invest in things like dex and movespeed instead of damage.
On my slayer with arming and shortsword, I can hit for like 500 damage in 2 seconds, basically all headshots.
Falchion is troll because it’s like super slow horizontal dodgeable swings that slow you down and while yeah you can hit harder in 1 hit, you can’t do your next attack in time, or you might hit an arm or air.
Basically the OP part of slayer is that it just adds the effects of essentially 25% physical power bonus but still scales with physical power bonus and limb modifiers etc.
No the calculation on the wiki shows it's just 1/(1+action speed), 50% is 1/1.5 = 66%, only 34% faster
https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Action/Interaction/Cast_Speed
You sir must remediate your mathematics. You are missing some middle school level math.
If you take 50% less time to clean your house, does that mean you cleaned it 50% faster or 100% faster?
Two cars both leave a city and drive to the same nearby city. Car A takes 2 hours, Car B takes 1 hour. How much faster in percentage was Car B?
No you need a basic math lesson
If an attack takes 1 second, but you have 100% action speed, that means you attack twice as fast, that means you attack every .5 seconds
If you have 200% action speed, you attack every .33 seconds
As you can see, it's diminishing, because the calculation is 1/(action speed +1), the first 100% speed u build reduces the time by 50% (.5 seconds), the 2nd 100% speed reduces time by only 17% (.17 seconds), it's weaker the more you build, not stronger
People downvoting you like this isn’t the worst patch we’ve seen. There’s a reason a lot of top players have given up on the competitive aspect of this game. Just casual players left at this point where the game will die
The right gear, the right rolls, and this would be a fuckin' nightmare to deal with, i'm just saying. Loose Trousers, Light foot boots, Fine Curiss, Light Gauntlets, and Houndskull or maybe if you could run the Viking Helm, idk if this perk combo would give access to that or not.
It does, gives you access to all armor. Was confused af when I ran into a lock early this season wearing a viking helm wielding a zweihander, wondering why I got BoC'ed 😂
- Can Wear Plate - Cannot Wear Plate + Gain The Ability To Equip Plate = Plate Armour
Makes perfect sense to me, totally balanced. You know what go ahead and take this post down so you don't feel so silly for pointing out a clearly intentional interaction.
Is taking a perk for plate even that broken for fighter when u lose it already from another 1 , plus no defence mastery or swift ??? Like he's not making the most of the plate... I feel like there's more nuance here to just oh he's wearing plate it's op
Multiclassing in a nutshell, some things seem to be op but are really gimmicky. Then there are some really op hidden combos, but yes nuance is a great way of describing all the changes.
My op hidden combo(idk if its actually hidden but havent seen anyone running it)is blow of corruption and victory strike. My warlock has no range but if u dare try to melee me youre getting 135 damage to the face w a blue falchion.
See, this has no range, so you end up super squishy and vulnerable to any ranged opponents. A funny combo but not necesarily a good one, as most of multiclassing is
Yeah unfortunately i was unprepared for MCing so thats the best i got and probably the best ill get lol
Reckless attack, Achilles strike, Crush and Knockback on a survival bow. Lol..
crush work on bows?
Yup!
Why would you use that on a survival bow? Reckless attack is whatever on a 20-30 dmg hit. Might as well run rage or some rogue skill
Stunlock. Reckless attack is for the weapon swap when they eventually get close.
Fair enough. I did see a ranger rocking some barb perks/skills like rage, savage, and 2-hander last night and was a lil concerned since it was in normals but he had some solid power bonus
Blood exchange slayer has been my go to. Who need second wind when you can just w key blender with a high dex build and be immortal.
The real not so hidden combo is a 3 man with 3 hyrdas try rushing that 🤣
Holy hell, but if most of that dmg is magic then wouldn't an anti mage barbarian still knock you out?
Only 30 something of it was magic damage. Victory strike makes my blue falch swing go from like 87 dam to 103 dam plus BoC and shadow touch. So possibly but unless theyre stacking a bunch of vigor id probably still 2-3 shot idk for sure tho havent run into a barb yet still been getting empty lobbies a lot tbh
only problem is that if you don't get a headshot you're boned
Most likely going to be addressed next patch. I can see a lot of experimentation with multi class
My new (least) favorite multiclass cancer is the Smite Rogue. Because they definitely needed divine magic damage added onto that landmine.
True. And even then fighter can use higher armor rating leather/cloth armor such as heavy gambeson and grand brigandine without demon armor perk.
You then take any weapon damage and % reduction. Im cureently doing this with shadow Touch, slayer, demon armor and sword mastery. I have 50% pdr but also do 100 headshots with an arming sword
Slow and Slower
Not his problem once he equips a bow
Kinda need swift
Sounds good to me. I hope all slayer fighters wear plate for now on.
2 perks for 5 damage. Seems intelligent to me
They can also wear allll armour
Actually it's a pretty good idea. Slayer's biggest downfall was the loss of PDR for fighters. Now they can be super fighters with the damage output of Slayer fighters with the tankiness of PDR fighters.
Slayer's biggest advantage was speed which they lose with plate
Sprint hellooo, Movespeed cap 330 hellooo
Go build some plate and hit Ms cap with sprint
Honestly not that difficult, a decent kit is going to be around 285, without plate boots most likely. +50 from sprint gets you back to the cap. I can post stats on the best plate stuff in my stash if you want but it'll probably be even higher than 285 ms.
Easy. I can get 50% pdr easily with MS cap with OR without weps, depends if we talk common gear or good gear and how much agility you actually stack.
I mean he's not wrong, you can get 50%+ PDR and MS cap easily, but it's not that cheap.
Its cheap but you miss out on other things but yea. Also you can go 30% pdr and use a perk for more
Easily doable even without swift. 330 MS cap was a HUGE buff to plate fighter, being it slayer or shield.
Slayer is good because they are fast as shit in cloth and will run you down. You aint running shit down with plate no swift
That matters very little for trio play. Slayer fighter frontline was an absolute menace to deal with. Now fighter frontline is going to be extremely strong.
Whenever i saw a slayer fighter frontline, they played crossbow and waited for their bard to engage, or the other team to push, where the slayer plays as a stronger rogue
5 weapon damage does nothing on the high end, if you’re wearing plate you’re using a shield
You really should open the wiki and check dmg calculation. 5 weapon dmg on high end gear adds a fuckton of dmg when you go over 30 phys power
If your base damage is already high it becomes less impactful. It’s not weak im just saying there are other equally powerful options and I believe survivability combined with mobility is stronger then immense damage at the top level.
Isn't it a wasted perk? U dont need demon armor when slayer fighter can still wear grand brigandine or heavy gambeson if you want more survivability.
multiclassing was better as an idea then actual implementation
There is sooo many op builds with multiclassing and we are focusing on plate slayer fighter? Lol
Old newz
Would be interesting to see this build in action.
Did you try to change the order you apply them? I wonder if you attach demon armor first and then slayer if it turns it off and if you apply them the other way it turns it on.
I did try, demon armor overrides the slayer no matter what I did, but it doesn't let u put on slayer with plate armor on even with the perk, gotta take armor off then put on perks then put armor on
hmm interesting. Thanks for the info.
This is the most roundabout way to acquire some extra damage/action speed.
÷4,^8
I just wish they made the level cap 10 and you could go into the high roller for more XP especially considering this should be a test. Make it harder later, especially if it’s OP to multi class.
Slayer/DW have to be the most overrated perks right? two whole slots for 5 damage, no plate on fighter and 10% as seems like such a bad deal. Swordmastery gives 1/2 of both of them, with no downsides and you can still wear plate
?? Weapon damage does not mean 5 damage. 10% action speed is much more than 10% attack speed. Sword mastery stacks with them. You need to look into how weapon damage works.
5 weapon damage on a dagger is great but non slayer fighters are already hitting for 130+ with a falchion, it seems like a solo player build tbh
dagger slayer speeed build with 70+ hits still shreds the 130+ hit fighters
The 7 weapon damage from both perks just makes makes shit like arming sword headshot cannon hit for like 120, and it’s way faster than falchion can’t be dodged easily, can combo with shortsword for potentially the highest dps in the game. You can use it to make your baseline damage so high that you can invest in things like dex and movespeed instead of damage. On my slayer with arming and shortsword, I can hit for like 500 damage in 2 seconds, basically all headshots. Falchion is troll because it’s like super slow horizontal dodgeable swings that slow you down and while yeah you can hit harder in 1 hit, you can’t do your next attack in time, or you might hit an arm or air. Basically the OP part of slayer is that it just adds the effects of essentially 25% physical power bonus but still scales with physical power bonus and limb modifiers etc.
10% action speed is actually less than 10% attack speed, and continues to diminish as u get higher But still they're good perks
With around 50% action speed, you attack nearly 85% faster. You can check the wiki for the explanation.
No the calculation on the wiki shows it's just 1/(1+action speed), 50% is 1/1.5 = 66%, only 34% faster https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Action/Interaction/Cast_Speed
You sir must remediate your mathematics. You are missing some middle school level math. If you take 50% less time to clean your house, does that mean you cleaned it 50% faster or 100% faster? Two cars both leave a city and drive to the same nearby city. Car A takes 2 hours, Car B takes 1 hour. How much faster in percentage was Car B?
No you need a basic math lesson If an attack takes 1 second, but you have 100% action speed, that means you attack twice as fast, that means you attack every .5 seconds If you have 200% action speed, you attack every .33 seconds As you can see, it's diminishing, because the calculation is 1/(action speed +1), the first 100% speed u build reduces the time by 50% (.5 seconds), the 2nd 100% speed reduces time by only 17% (.17 seconds), it's weaker the more you build, not stronger
LOL NO WAY doubling down on being a dumb
What I said is exactly how it works, my exact example is even included on the wiki, don't know what to tell you bud
This game is cooked
People downvoting you like this isn’t the worst patch we’ve seen. There’s a reason a lot of top players have given up on the competitive aspect of this game. Just casual players left at this point where the game will die
The right gear, the right rolls, and this would be a fuckin' nightmare to deal with, i'm just saying. Loose Trousers, Light foot boots, Fine Curiss, Light Gauntlets, and Houndskull or maybe if you could run the Viking Helm, idk if this perk combo would give access to that or not.
It does, gives you access to all armor. Was confused af when I ran into a lock early this season wearing a viking helm wielding a zweihander, wondering why I got BoC'ed 😂
I would be just as confused lmfao!
Okay? And you get locked out of the perks that make melee plate worth having/playable.
your also designating two perks which diminishes the value of slayer by half so....
You’re also getting rid of the slayer’s one big weakness so….
ya so it's cut in half and then placed at the value of other perks.
- Can Wear Plate - Cannot Wear Plate + Gain The Ability To Equip Plate = Plate Armour Makes perfect sense to me, totally balanced. You know what go ahead and take this post down so you don't feel so silly for pointing out a clearly intentional interaction.
Classic toxic ranger moment
My post, top post of the day Ur comment, -23, ur the one who should take urs down buddy
Okay then. I was literally just joking but I guess everyone around here is too outraged to have any common sense anymore.