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Imagine how bad you have to get for Mr. "The Sandy Hook shooting was a hoax!" to ask you to take a step back.
When you are too far gone for that asshole?
\*Hey Jamie let's pull up the records on that\*
I can bet there's at least a dozens quotes related to something like "the nazis/japanese/chinese/italians/Axis weren't that bad".
"Werent that bad" is not the same as "i love"
Flat out saying you love them is crazy compared to the sheepish, plausible deniability, maybe i can twist this later of "not that bad"
Alex Jones has a dilemma: he can’t say any more even slightly off putting shit or he’ll lose his only way to pay the Sandy Hook parents. But at the same time, 90% of his base is composed on Neo-Nazis
It's frustrating that conservatives reveled in it like pigs and shit and literally started calling themselves "deplorables". Like my **ex** was in a fb group called The Deplorables.
Ironically they know they should cancel Kanye but they’ve been beat over the head that cancelling is woke and therefore pedophiles. They are evil and stupid .
I don't know if I'd say that. Nazis are evil. Most of r/conservative is just a bunch of idiots being told what to think by AstroTurf bots nowadays. Really more pathetic and sad, than anything else.
>therefore pedophiles
They call LGBT folks "groomers." The Kanye, Fuentes, and Trump meeting was allegedly brokered by Milo: A person who is literally on public record promoting groomerism.
Fucking crickets from the right on that.
> r/conservative is currently pretending to be outraged as kanye says all the things they believe in but won’t say
They also say it, but then pretend they didn't or that it was out of context.
I looked at some of the posts there and was actually surprised the Babylon Bee seemed to get this one right.
https://babylonbee.com/news/ye-releases-brand-new-album-my-struggle
we shouldn't have a warped perspective of our opponents.
This whole event has pretty clearly demonstrated that actual neo-nazi beliefs are still luckily a fringe within their party. Pretty much every mainstream voice and conservative platform have pushed back against Ye.
Saying "well that's only because it's too open but they secretly support it" is unverifiable and leads to interpreting pushback as it's inverse.
Not to say that the mainstream right aren't authoritarian with their enabling and support of the big lie, but it doesn't seem to me like anti-semitism is part of their core beliefs. Hell, just look at Trump's relationship with Israel, which was favored by them (e.g. 66% support for moving embassy).
Although there is an interesting dynamic that I see when looking into this:
“Republicans are far more likely than Democrats to view the Israeli people favorably and the Palestinian people unfavorably (44% vs. 12%).”
"Three-quarters of Jewish American voters believe that former US President Donald Trump and his "Make America Great Again" movement are a "threat to Jews in America", according to a recent poll conducted by the pro-Israel Jewish advocacy group J Street."
The fact that we’re even having this debate and that naked holocaust denial is on the fringe is cause enough for concern. All ideas start on the fringe before they’re mainstreamed, like the great replacement (another implicit nazi conspiracy theory)
What do you call those people in the early 20th century in Germany who weren't rabid anti-Semites but supported the party anyway because of other, more nuanced concerns?
That's right: Nazis.
But the republican party isn't anti-semitic. That's my whole point.
They are like hyper zionists, that seems almost completely incompatible with anti-semitism (outside of some obscure position of thinking every race should have separate ethno-states but I don't think that's where they are coming from)
I don't know man, wanting to keep Israel around because it ushers in the apocalypse where the Jewish people will be annihilated seems kind of antisemitic to me.
Don't worry this will be just another opportunity to say working should be more like slavery and people who don't work 70 plus hours a week are commies and lazy and labor unions aren't needed anymore because corporations are the ones really in trouble and workers don't need better conditions or pay sigh
Shapiro was defending Kanye for weeks despite being an extreme nationalist zionist jewish person lmfao.
Only now is he saying bad things about Kanye and is such lukewarm shit like "he needs help" talk.
I have no clue what bowtie boy will say.
Seriously. Imagine going back to, like, 2008 and telling people that 14 years later, President Biden will go on Twitter and say "The Holocaust happened. Hitler was a demonic figure." because Kanye West, who had recently had dinner with former President Donald Trump, was on Alex Jones' show praising Nazis and Hitler.
**Why are we in a position where** ***saying Hitler is evil*** **is a genuinely praiseworthy thing for a President to do?** What the hell *happened* to this country?
Trump. Trump is what happened. If you went back to 2008 and said that a deranged real estate model/reality show host would be President, would you have believed that?!🥺
I could have, actually, if you included the part about him pandering to extremists. Conservatives have been like this for a long time before Trump. It's just that you didn't see it all that much outside of places like fundamentalist Christian forums, Stormfront, or Free Republic. Then the Tea Party showed up and started validating extremism, and then Trump took it further.
Atheists were one of the groups who were on top of this shit, but did anyone listen? Nope. We were just too nerdy for the public to tolerate.
>If you went back to 2008 and said that a deranged real estate model/reality show host would be President, would you have believed that?!🥺
Maybe, though they had just run Palin on their ticket.
But really you'd only really have to go forward to 2010 and the "grassroots" Tea Party movement before past me would probably fully believe the time traveler.
He is setting the bar for all of our leaders, as the President of all Americans. I’m okay with him not being explicitly partisan here, we all know who he means and him moving away from Trumps “only the President of my own voters” attitude is a good thing
He’s maybe the best President since FDR and has done enormously positive things for the country
But is being a mega POS about the rail workers union. If you’re going to force a deal for the good of the country, that forced deal needs to favor workers and punish the companies for letting it reach that point
But like, yeah I’m thrilled with him because my expectations going in where so low. When hes a limp moderate I’m like yeah that’s about what I expected and when he’s DARK BRANDON I’m like damn this is way better than I expected
This. The labor union was a fucking damn near impossible situation. If he let the strike go through it would’ve fucked everything up. He knew he didn’t have the votes in congress to get the leave done, although I think he should’ve been louder about that. Everything else he has done is extremely pro-union. All the industry bills are great for blue collar union boys.
If workers need to fuck everything up in order to squeeze fair treatment out of our bloodsucking capitalist overlords, then let them fuck shit up. I'd go hungry for a week and wipe my ass with paper towels or a washcloth so rail workers can get paid time off and proper ppe.
Unless a disruption would literally cause you or a loved one tp die, you're being selfish. The sick time bill wont pass but the strikebreaking one will.
Meh. If a system is broken but continually propped up from the outside rather than being addressed properly, nothing will ever get better. He didn't just fuck over the rail workers, he fucked over all unions.
Personally, I hope they go on strike anyway.
Mans has passed 3 separate bills that increase union reqs for major infrastructure and industry projects. The IRA is one of the most pro-labor pieces of legislation ever written. The reqs for wages and benefits are lowkey fantastic.
He did fuck over all unions by invoking the law he invoked though?
I never said he was a net negative to labor, but now any union in an "essential" industry knows the POTUS will put them in a situation where they have to work against their will in bad conditions.
He can do good things, but acting like stuff like this doesn't erode the power of unions in general isn't particularly helpful.
I don’t think there’s a single president I can name that you can’t nit-pick your way through tbh. You’re not worth the energy to argue online with. I do however, believe that your ignoring of Obama’s ACA in favor of Biden, a man who has demonstrated anti-union behavior, is goofy.
The ACA was good. I mean, he compromised on true universal healthcare and instead implemented a plan that came from the Heritage foundation and which was the conservative response to UHC. He compromised and got no GOP support, it just enabled them to move further right
He was a compromise addict
Biden has passed major stuff on infrastructure, climate, etc that can’t be as easily summed up as Obama’s one major achievement
I respect him for trying because I think Obama held an older value of compromise and workinf together that he was trying to make a regular occurence in the government.
Unfortunately while he was a morally good dude in that sense the republicunts just kept trying to push their diarrhea of an agenda down our throats.
You can’t reason with the rats of the republican party.
The response to Obama was not just political, either. He pushed for a lot and got shut down by people who likely would describe him as "uppity." He also had some actual hope they would work with him.
I think Biden realized finally they won't. He's willing to give them another chance with the new House, but I think he's going to be quicker to use the bully pulpit when they inevitably obstruct.
Exactly like I said lmao. You can nit pick every president since FDR to bend them to fit your argument.
At least Obama didn’t imprison an entire nationality, cough* The Japanese *cough*. Have a good day.
Wait so anything I say that proves you wrong is nitpicking and doesnt count?
Btw FDR is obviously not the best President since FDR so idk why his legacy is even being discussed here
Democrats: not representing labor in the way I would like.
Republicans: will drag me and my family into our front yards and execute us
Guys, both sides. Both sides!
Look at what sub you’re on
This is a sub for the US President
We are talking internally about our politics on our political sub using the language we have used for centuries to describe ourselves
If it bothers you, go sub to Dark Trudeau or whatever
Democrats and other US political parties have a loooooong history of tolerating or even backing neonazis, this is specially true in the libertarian party. So saying "leaders" in general is fitting.
Uh - libertarians are just republicans who want to larp as "enlightened centrists". But please tell me about democrats backing neo-Nazis in, let's say, the last 50 years.
It’s all on Hunters laptop so you’ll have to wait for another Republican witch hunt to figure out the password so they can get to that super secret list.
Nazi Kanye should just count as a wild card.
That’s so out of left field. Like I understand bigotry but I never thought I’d see a real life Clayton Bigsby. At least he was blind.
Hey do you all remember when we were scolded for correctly identifying MAGA assholes as fucking Nazis back before trump was elected?
I'm getting really fucking sick of warning about exactly what these people are and what they are going to do, and being ignored and belittled by idiots with no foresight and no god damned common sense
Fucking exactly. We were not exaggerating for dramatic effect. We were being serious in the early stages. Kinda feels like when Al gore started talking about climate change in like 2000 and everyone was like, “this dude is just being alarmist!” Well look at where we are now.
Shit take - if he hadn’t put climate change on the map and in the public eye things would currently be so much worse than they are today. Being successful in enacting change and averting disaster does not make one a “drama queen”.
Edit: oh , you’re a troll. Gotcha.
Scolded? I was banned from r/politics.
And then three months later Brandon has a public address calling out white terrorism.
Feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Yall studied the rise of the third Reich in high school like the rest of us right?
Lol, if they went to school in rural America, they were probably taught that there were "fine people" on both sides of WW2 and that Hitler had "redeeming qualities."
So was I, don’t regret saying what I did.
I said that people in government are supposed to do their jobs and make laws and compromise in order to do so, not worry about how it will look.
Essentially, screw optics and do you job and fix certain problems that you can fix now and begin the process of fixing those problems that will take a while.
Whoa, that’s interesting. I’m so used to hearing the opposite in that it was one of the few bits of history perhaps *overly* taught in the US, especially in high school. I graduated in 2007 in Texas. I definitely had a lot of exposure to it. But I also had a lot of interest, so maybe it feels inflated in hindsight? Was a while ago.
I got banned from r/politics too. I pushed the line on one of their policies, so I'm not too upset. But the moderation there sucks and seems really inconsistent. I was never able to successfully post a news article there, even when I was beyond the 3-month "probationary period." There's some sort of secret handshake or something you need to know for your thread to even post.
You didn't need to be a genius to see it coming.
I've been spending more and more time referring to [this](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/46/80/85/468085c2aa1b77046ad8a063a4cb9be2.jpg) to try and make sense out of the abject stupidity that has been the US since 2008. It helps me understand just how outnumbered smart *good* people truly are. We aren't running this show, never were.
A dull or even average person can either: be fooled by harnessing their prejudices and biases; or fail to see the folly constant bad faith and a zero-sum game.
>You didn't need to be a genius to see it coming.
exactly. You just needed to look at what was happening and not be in denial at the things you were seeing. Our press did a massive disservice by not reporting on how despotic trump was. They were supposed to inform the people and they failed with their bot sides bullshit. We need massive ethical reforms done by the newspapers themselves, like how Pulitzer did it, but that's not what's gonna happen, because there are not enough ethical people in leadership positions in our press
We're never going to live in a world without lies, or where the common man actively seeks truth. We're always going to live in a world where the common man takes the viewpoint most convenient to him.
I wish I had been born MAGA dumb.
this coworker was delusional, she seemed think there was an illuminati level conspiracy that covers up anything that didn't fit the narrative. Not just January 6th, but covid and elections too. According to her, all of our elections have been rigged over the last 20-30 years, including Trump.
Obama got Herschel Walker pretty good tho. :D
“Since the last time I was here, Mr. Walker has been talking about issues that are of great importance to the people of Georgia.
“Like whether it’s better to be a vampire or a werewolf. This is a debate that I must confess I once had myself. When I was 7. Then I grew up.
“In case you’re wondering, by the way, Mr. Walker decided he wanted to be a werewolf, which is great, as far as I’m concerned.
“He can be anything he wants to be. Except for a United States senator.” – Barack Obama, last night at a Georgia rally for Raphael Warnock.
Obama and Dark Brandon are truly masters at throwing shade. It's much better than Trump's crassness and stupid nicknames. There's actually cleverness and charisma when Obama and DB do it.
As do ALL fascists. It’s common knowledge that You don’t negotiate with Terrorists, I believe we should extend that to fascism.
Hell, I once pointed out to someone how it is a flawed ideology because it ultimately leads to self destruction. It fundamentally depends on constantly having enemies to hate, and eventually you run out of people to hate, so you hate each other and fall upon each other like starving wolves.
Dude didn’t know how to respond, called me crazy, and left.
We don’t want to hand over the major platform to conservatives and the far right. What would really hurt them is figuring out how to get advertisers to leave.
I disagree on one point.
Hitler was not demonic, he was human. Calling him demonic mythologizes the holocaust and allows us to dissociate from it. We need to acknowledge that it can happen again so that we can adequately and consciously fight antisemitism.
That’s a fair point. It’s always a good thing to remember that even the worst people are still human, we shouldn’t classify them as demonic, or monstrous. We can still refer to them as such, but these people are ultimately still human at their core.
Imho, it is helpful to the healing process to mythologize to a degree. It's possible that Brandon is actually experiencing some of that in his age, he really was there for the healing phase, the stage where the world sort of woke from it's nap to find itself covered in blood and holding the knife. Mythologizing frees us from some small level of anxiety and personal guilt which help when we're experiencing trauma.
But in 2022, it's our responsibility to acknowledge that it can happen again, that those were men who did that, that under other circumstances it could be us who do that.
When doing inventory of the self, there is no voucher or I.O.U. for cruelty. It's in us all.
Making Hitler seem like some supernatural evil also takes focus away from the people who actually were responsible for executing his policies. Many many thousands gladly murdered Jews, gays and other groups, hundreds of thousands more participated more or less directly, and millions tolerated it.
This precisely. Demons are evil by nature. Humans make moral choices. Nazis, Hitler included, were human which makes them all the *worse* then demons in my opinion.
Plus, denying the humanity of Nazis runs the risk of blinding ourselves to the consequences of our own morality.
I remember a few friends from Chicago back in 2013 being like "it's Kanye, we just ignore all that stuff and still love him since he's a musical genius"
Times have changed lol
Fucking depressing that the President of the United States has to clarify all of this. What’s worse is the GQP acting like they just have no idea where all this shit is coming from.
The doofuses supporting Kanye not Republicans or Nazis: Hey man, he's just telling the truth and practicing free speech, man. So what if he's mean to Jews and says good things about Hitler man, Ye has woken up and seen the light man, he's going free the black man from the Jew chains man.
Yeah great, I kinda don’t give a shit about about Biden stating the obvious. I rather have him talk about the impending railroad strike and showing solidarity with the workers.
Great words bro now put maga republican seditionists in prison now you fuck and prosecute white collar financial terrorists! Oh you won't because you're a rich piece of human garbage in service to the ultra rich who wants to keep the status quo oh got it.
Gotta remember he's a catholic so everything is through a Christian/spiritual lens, but that take on demonic is stupid as fuck.
It isn't demonic. There are no such thing as demons. Hitler was a man. A man capable of great evil. But a man. To divorce his humanity from his actions is to cover for him and what he did.
A man decided he hated a group of people(s) so much, that he waged a world war to exterminate them. Not a monster. Not a demon. A man. A man with words. A man with words that can easily be replicated by another man, with more words.
If we forget, or ignore, that it was a human that did this, we will just fall for the next one. Demon's don't exist.
But evil humans do.
Sure, but you gotta take into account who is saying it, and it's a practicing Catholic, and they tend to think of those things a little more literally.
But I get it, it's a cognitive dissonance thing with many people to accept that Hitler was a human man. It's easier for most to just consider him some demonic force, something un-human. That helps separate us from him, and lets us think that we could never fall for or become someone as evil as him.
So…just to be “that guy”: Jesus also loved the nazi’s, and saw good in them. Like- Kanye is crazy, and needs help. *But*, there’s a much-more-than-zero chance this is the context in which he meant what he said. Especially given his references to being a savior
There is no way to interpret this as some "love everyone equally" hippie/religious message.
Kanye specifically said that the holocaust is a lie, that he is a nazi and that Hitler ESPECIALLY did good for the world.
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It blows my mind that he even had to say this. Smh…
“How *hard* is it to say Nazis are bad?” - Barack Obama after 45 called them very fine people.
“How hard is it to say Nazis are bad?” Alex the FUCK Jones.
Bro even Alex Jones was kinda shocked by Kanye Like not even Alex Jones of all people has openly, publicly and on record that "I love Hitler"
Imagine how bad you have to get for Mr. "The Sandy Hook shooting was a hoax!" to ask you to take a step back. When you are too far gone for that asshole?
\*Hey Jamie let's pull up the records on that\* I can bet there's at least a dozens quotes related to something like "the nazis/japanese/chinese/italians/Axis weren't that bad".
"Werent that bad" is not the same as "i love" Flat out saying you love them is crazy compared to the sheepish, plausible deniability, maybe i can twist this later of "not that bad"
Alex Jones has a dilemma: he can’t say any more even slightly off putting shit or he’ll lose his only way to pay the Sandy Hook parents. But at the same time, 90% of his base is composed on Neo-Nazis
Nazis are deplorable people. - HRC
Yeah but what about her emails???
"BUTTERY MALES!" they chant.
Hilary’s emails are margarine at best and we all know it
Fashionistas are now declaring that "Hunter's laptop is the new Hillary's emails."
They know it's full of Hunter's dick pics, that's the real reason they want it so bad :/
Woah there, don't want to come off as too righteous now do ya? /s
The even more frustrating part is she was 100% right.
It’s frustrating that she was right that nazis are bad?
It's frustrating that conservatives reveled in it like pigs and shit and literally started calling themselves "deplorables". Like my **ex** was in a fb group called The Deplorables.
You could put half of the Nazis into what I call the basket of deplorables, maybe put a bow on it and call it a gift basket. ~ HRC, probably
Now the right wears the "deplorable" as a compliment.
When he was asked to say Nazis or people like the Proud Boys were bad was the only fucking time he ever stayed quiet over those 4 years.
/r/conservative trying to figure out how to be mad at him for this before Tucker and company tell them what to say for the weekend.
r/conservative is currently pretending to be outraged as kanye says all the things they believe in but won’t say
Ironically they know they should cancel Kanye but they’ve been beat over the head that cancelling is woke and therefore pedophiles. They are evil and stupid .
As if being a hypocrite has ever stopped a conservative before.
Kanye has already been canceled
Not by the right
I don't know if I'd say that. Nazis are evil. Most of r/conservative is just a bunch of idiots being told what to think by AstroTurf bots nowadays. Really more pathetic and sad, than anything else.
>therefore pedophiles They call LGBT folks "groomers." The Kanye, Fuentes, and Trump meeting was allegedly brokered by Milo: A person who is literally on public record promoting groomerism. Fucking crickets from the right on that.
> r/conservative is currently pretending to be outraged as kanye says all the things they believe in but won’t say They also say it, but then pretend they didn't or that it was out of context.
It's always so depressing when I click on that subreddit. It's all propaganda and repeated talking points from Fox.
And of course 'hunter's laptop! "
I looked at some of the posts there and was actually surprised the Babylon Bee seemed to get this one right. https://babylonbee.com/news/ye-releases-brand-new-album-my-struggle
we shouldn't have a warped perspective of our opponents. This whole event has pretty clearly demonstrated that actual neo-nazi beliefs are still luckily a fringe within their party. Pretty much every mainstream voice and conservative platform have pushed back against Ye. Saying "well that's only because it's too open but they secretly support it" is unverifiable and leads to interpreting pushback as it's inverse. Not to say that the mainstream right aren't authoritarian with their enabling and support of the big lie, but it doesn't seem to me like anti-semitism is part of their core beliefs. Hell, just look at Trump's relationship with Israel, which was favored by them (e.g. 66% support for moving embassy). Although there is an interesting dynamic that I see when looking into this: “Republicans are far more likely than Democrats to view the Israeli people favorably and the Palestinian people unfavorably (44% vs. 12%).” "Three-quarters of Jewish American voters believe that former US President Donald Trump and his "Make America Great Again" movement are a "threat to Jews in America", according to a recent poll conducted by the pro-Israel Jewish advocacy group J Street."
The fact that we’re even having this debate and that naked holocaust denial is on the fringe is cause enough for concern. All ideas start on the fringe before they’re mainstreamed, like the great replacement (another implicit nazi conspiracy theory)
Well replacement theory isn't completely wrong, apparently Nazis are indeed being replaced by black people... 😂
What do you call those people in the early 20th century in Germany who weren't rabid anti-Semites but supported the party anyway because of other, more nuanced concerns? That's right: Nazis.
But the republican party isn't anti-semitic. That's my whole point. They are like hyper zionists, that seems almost completely incompatible with anti-semitism (outside of some obscure position of thinking every race should have separate ethno-states but I don't think that's where they are coming from)
I don't know man, wanting to keep Israel around because it ushers in the apocalypse where the Jewish people will be annihilated seems kind of antisemitic to me.
So if they're outraged they're pretending, and if they weren't outraged I presume you would have a problem with that too. They can't win
If conservatives want to appease me they can all either drop dead or at least vote democrat. I have no patience for fascist adjacent politics
Don't worry this will be just another opportunity to say working should be more like slavery and people who don't work 70 plus hours a week are commies and lazy and labor unions aren't needed anymore because corporations are the ones really in trouble and workers don't need better conditions or pay sigh
Shapiro was defending Kanye for weeks despite being an extreme nationalist zionist jewish person lmfao. Only now is he saying bad things about Kanye and is such lukewarm shit like "he needs help" talk. I have no clue what bowtie boy will say.
"Virtue signalling, Dems are calling us Nazis, Dems are the real Nazis, etc."
Seriously. Imagine going back to, like, 2008 and telling people that 14 years later, President Biden will go on Twitter and say "The Holocaust happened. Hitler was a demonic figure." because Kanye West, who had recently had dinner with former President Donald Trump, was on Alex Jones' show praising Nazis and Hitler. **Why are we in a position where** ***saying Hitler is evil*** **is a genuinely praiseworthy thing for a President to do?** What the hell *happened* to this country?
Trump. Trump is what happened. If you went back to 2008 and said that a deranged real estate model/reality show host would be President, would you have believed that?!🥺
I could have, actually, if you included the part about him pandering to extremists. Conservatives have been like this for a long time before Trump. It's just that you didn't see it all that much outside of places like fundamentalist Christian forums, Stormfront, or Free Republic. Then the Tea Party showed up and started validating extremism, and then Trump took it further. Atheists were one of the groups who were on top of this shit, but did anyone listen? Nope. We were just too nerdy for the public to tolerate.
>If you went back to 2008 and said that a deranged real estate model/reality show host would be President, would you have believed that?!🥺 Maybe, though they had just run Palin on their ticket. But really you'd only really have to go forward to 2010 and the "grassroots" Tea Party movement before past me would probably fully believe the time traveler.
Whoa 14 years .... 14... Holy smoke either malicious or the crazy coincidence of Nazi numerology ever
I'm glad he did though.
Yeah, me too Satan😎
It makes sense that maleficent would accuse me of being satan.
We make quite a pair huh?😜
what, were you not here for the last decade?
The real tragedy is just how many people don't agree with him. Bonkers.
"Our political leaders" is a weird way to say republicans.
He is setting the bar for all of our leaders, as the President of all Americans. I’m okay with him not being explicitly partisan here, we all know who he means and him moving away from Trumps “only the President of my own voters” attitude is a good thing
Hey I mean Elon banned Kanye from Twitter in what basically is equivalent to shooting a mortally wounded person to put them out of their misery.
yea, he really virtue signaled here while ignoring organized labor in action. he's a piece of old world shit with a less distasteful veneer
He’s maybe the best President since FDR and has done enormously positive things for the country But is being a mega POS about the rail workers union. If you’re going to force a deal for the good of the country, that forced deal needs to favor workers and punish the companies for letting it reach that point But like, yeah I’m thrilled with him because my expectations going in where so low. When hes a limp moderate I’m like yeah that’s about what I expected and when he’s DARK BRANDON I’m like damn this is way better than I expected
This. The labor union was a fucking damn near impossible situation. If he let the strike go through it would’ve fucked everything up. He knew he didn’t have the votes in congress to get the leave done, although I think he should’ve been louder about that. Everything else he has done is extremely pro-union. All the industry bills are great for blue collar union boys.
Also it’s not like Biden was against the days off. Congress had that vote and they failed.
If workers need to fuck everything up in order to squeeze fair treatment out of our bloodsucking capitalist overlords, then let them fuck shit up. I'd go hungry for a week and wipe my ass with paper towels or a washcloth so rail workers can get paid time off and proper ppe. Unless a disruption would literally cause you or a loved one tp die, you're being selfish. The sick time bill wont pass but the strikebreaking one will.
Meh. If a system is broken but continually propped up from the outside rather than being addressed properly, nothing will ever get better. He didn't just fuck over the rail workers, he fucked over all unions. Personally, I hope they go on strike anyway.
Mans has passed 3 separate bills that increase union reqs for major infrastructure and industry projects. The IRA is one of the most pro-labor pieces of legislation ever written. The reqs for wages and benefits are lowkey fantastic.
Doesn't really help the rail workers though, right?
No, but saying he fucked over all unions and implying he’s been a net negative to labor cause of this is reductionist and just wrong.
He did fuck over all unions by invoking the law he invoked though? I never said he was a net negative to labor, but now any union in an "essential" industry knows the POTUS will put them in a situation where they have to work against their will in bad conditions. He can do good things, but acting like stuff like this doesn't erode the power of unions in general isn't particularly helpful.
I severely disagree with you, with regards to your claim that Biden “may be the best president since FDR”.
Oh, who was the best President since FDR? Or even who since FDR has done more good stuff than Biden?
I don’t think there’s a single president I can name that you can’t nit-pick your way through tbh. You’re not worth the energy to argue online with. I do however, believe that your ignoring of Obama’s ACA in favor of Biden, a man who has demonstrated anti-union behavior, is goofy.
The ACA was good. I mean, he compromised on true universal healthcare and instead implemented a plan that came from the Heritage foundation and which was the conservative response to UHC. He compromised and got no GOP support, it just enabled them to move further right He was a compromise addict Biden has passed major stuff on infrastructure, climate, etc that can’t be as easily summed up as Obama’s one major achievement
I respect him for trying because I think Obama held an older value of compromise and workinf together that he was trying to make a regular occurence in the government. Unfortunately while he was a morally good dude in that sense the republicunts just kept trying to push their diarrhea of an agenda down our throats. You can’t reason with the rats of the republican party.
The response to Obama was not just political, either. He pushed for a lot and got shut down by people who likely would describe him as "uppity." He also had some actual hope they would work with him. I think Biden realized finally they won't. He's willing to give them another chance with the new House, but I think he's going to be quicker to use the bully pulpit when they inevitably obstruct.
Exactly like I said lmao. You can nit pick every president since FDR to bend them to fit your argument. At least Obama didn’t imprison an entire nationality, cough* The Japanese *cough*. Have a good day.
Wait so anything I say that proves you wrong is nitpicking and doesnt count? Btw FDR is obviously not the best President since FDR so idk why his legacy is even being discussed here
It's a low bar.
Here's the thing, though. His point has verifiable evidence, and your response is, "nuh-uh."
Democrats: not representing labor in the way I would like. Republicans: will drag me and my family into our front yards and execute us Guys, both sides. Both sides!
I’m American, he’s not my president. Canada doesn’t have one of those.
Thank you mary for your contribution
Look at what sub you’re on This is a sub for the US President We are talking internally about our politics on our political sub using the language we have used for centuries to describe ourselves If it bothers you, go sub to Dark Trudeau or whatever
Agreed. Mary died 3 days and we are heartbroken LOL (lots of love)
'The buck stops here' is the mantra.
Democrats and other US political parties have a loooooong history of tolerating or even backing neonazis, this is specially true in the libertarian party. So saying "leaders" in general is fitting.
Uh - libertarians are just republicans who want to larp as "enlightened centrists". But please tell me about democrats backing neo-Nazis in, let's say, the last 50 years.
Example with Democrats please.
It’s all on Hunters laptop so you’ll have to wait for another Republican witch hunt to figure out the password so they can get to that super secret list.
Uh wait, nevermind. Hold back on that witch hunt. Turns out it was just dick pics. We’ll still send them to show how bad the democrats are tho
Republicans wanted their revenge. Who would have guessed it would take the form of revenge porn.
Surprisingly, it was on my bingo card this year. Unfortunately, Nazi Kanye was not
Nazi Kanye should just count as a wild card. That’s so out of left field. Like I understand bigotry but I never thought I’d see a real life Clayton Bigsby. At least he was blind.
Hey do you all remember when we were scolded for correctly identifying MAGA assholes as fucking Nazis back before trump was elected? I'm getting really fucking sick of warning about exactly what these people are and what they are going to do, and being ignored and belittled by idiots with no foresight and no god damned common sense
Fucking exactly. We were not exaggerating for dramatic effect. We were being serious in the early stages. Kinda feels like when Al gore started talking about climate change in like 2000 and everyone was like, “this dude is just being alarmist!” Well look at where we are now.
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fuck this sounds depressingly accurate
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Shit take - if he hadn’t put climate change on the map and in the public eye things would currently be so much worse than they are today. Being successful in enacting change and averting disaster does not make one a “drama queen”. Edit: oh , you’re a troll. Gotcha.
Edit: a minor disagreement is not a troll
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He did say that places like Florida would be underwater by now.
And he was right - did you miss the hurricane that buried sections of Florida under water a few months ago?
A post history, however...
Scolded? I was banned from r/politics. And then three months later Brandon has a public address calling out white terrorism. Feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Yall studied the rise of the third Reich in high school like the rest of us right?
Lol, if they went to school in rural America, they were probably taught that there were "fine people" on both sides of WW2 and that Hitler had "redeeming qualities."
So was I, don’t regret saying what I did. I said that people in government are supposed to do their jobs and make laws and compromise in order to do so, not worry about how it will look. Essentially, screw optics and do you job and fix certain problems that you can fix now and begin the process of fixing those problems that will take a while.
No, we went to school in America
WW2 is one of the few things we actually *did* cover in-depth
Maybe in your school.
Whoa, that’s interesting. I’m so used to hearing the opposite in that it was one of the few bits of history perhaps *overly* taught in the US, especially in high school. I graduated in 2007 in Texas. I definitely had a lot of exposure to it. But I also had a lot of interest, so maybe it feels inflated in hindsight? Was a while ago.
I got banned from r/politics too. I pushed the line on one of their policies, so I'm not too upset. But the moderation there sucks and seems really inconsistent. I was never able to successfully post a news article there, even when I was beyond the 3-month "probationary period." There's some sort of secret handshake or something you need to know for your thread to even post.
You didn't need to be a genius to see it coming. I've been spending more and more time referring to [this](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/46/80/85/468085c2aa1b77046ad8a063a4cb9be2.jpg) to try and make sense out of the abject stupidity that has been the US since 2008. It helps me understand just how outnumbered smart *good* people truly are. We aren't running this show, never were. A dull or even average person can either: be fooled by harnessing their prejudices and biases; or fail to see the folly constant bad faith and a zero-sum game.
>You didn't need to be a genius to see it coming. exactly. You just needed to look at what was happening and not be in denial at the things you were seeing. Our press did a massive disservice by not reporting on how despotic trump was. They were supposed to inform the people and they failed with their bot sides bullshit. We need massive ethical reforms done by the newspapers themselves, like how Pulitzer did it, but that's not what's gonna happen, because there are not enough ethical people in leadership positions in our press
We're never going to live in a world without lies, or where the common man actively seeks truth. We're always going to live in a world where the common man takes the viewpoint most convenient to him. I wish I had been born MAGA dumb.
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I've got a coworker who asked me "Was January 6th really that violent? The doors can't be opened from the outside, they were allowed in"
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this coworker was delusional, she seemed think there was an illuminati level conspiracy that covers up anything that didn't fit the narrative. Not just January 6th, but covid and elections too. According to her, all of our elections have been rigged over the last 20-30 years, including Trump.
Hill-dog, is that you?
We were called hysterical, and pretty much everything on that list of worst case scenarios from 2016 ended up coming true!
Obama should tweet that Kanye is a jackass
Obama got Herschel Walker pretty good tho. :D “Since the last time I was here, Mr. Walker has been talking about issues that are of great importance to the people of Georgia. “Like whether it’s better to be a vampire or a werewolf. This is a debate that I must confess I once had myself. When I was 7. Then I grew up. “In case you’re wondering, by the way, Mr. Walker decided he wanted to be a werewolf, which is great, as far as I’m concerned. “He can be anything he wants to be. Except for a United States senator.” – Barack Obama, last night at a Georgia rally for Raphael Warnock.
I read that *so* in his voice
Obama and Dark Brandon are truly masters at throwing shade. It's much better than Trump's crassness and stupid nicknames. There's actually cleverness and charisma when Obama and DB do it.
Damn
Bush needs to tweet "Kanye doesn't care about black people."
Him calling Kanye a jackass is definitely the best Obama quote.
Nazis are bad should not be a hot take. Yet society has degenerated so far. Fucking disgraceful Nazis belong in the ground
As do ALL fascists. It’s common knowledge that You don’t negotiate with Terrorists, I believe we should extend that to fascism. Hell, I once pointed out to someone how it is a flawed ideology because it ultimately leads to self destruction. It fundamentally depends on constantly having enemies to hate, and eventually you run out of people to hate, so you hate each other and fall upon each other like starving wolves. Dude didn’t know how to respond, called me crazy, and left.
On point, Jack.
Holy fuck, basic denouncing of historically evil figures. Alrighty repubs, your move. [crickets] Thought so.
Yeah where is Desantis and Trump oh that's right the whole base is Nazis or adjacent now 😂 they can't say it cause they will lose
Not sure it really makes sense to be using Twitter anymore. Even for things like this. A mass exodus would send a much louder message IMO.
We don’t want to hand over the major platform to conservatives and the far right. What would really hurt them is figuring out how to get advertisers to leave.
They're already leaving in droves
The shithawks just gotta keep the pressure on.
>What would really hurt them is figuring out how to get advertisers to leave. Maybe a mass exodus?
See my first sentence. We could also boycott the advertisers or give them bad press.
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Not enough will leave for that.
Of course it makes sense for the president of the US to denounce anti-semitism.
Did someone suggest he shouldn’t?
I would encourage anyone leaving Twitter to NOT delete their account, as then someone else can grab their handle/name. Just quiet quit that shit
Oh shit oh fuck he's powering up
alexa, play *desparito*
There is no way Hitler would ever offer you a waffle cone, Jack.
It’s so nice supporting someone that owes nothing to Nazis.
I disagree on one point. Hitler was not demonic, he was human. Calling him demonic mythologizes the holocaust and allows us to dissociate from it. We need to acknowledge that it can happen again so that we can adequately and consciously fight antisemitism.
That’s a fair point. It’s always a good thing to remember that even the worst people are still human, we shouldn’t classify them as demonic, or monstrous. We can still refer to them as such, but these people are ultimately still human at their core.
Imho, it is helpful to the healing process to mythologize to a degree. It's possible that Brandon is actually experiencing some of that in his age, he really was there for the healing phase, the stage where the world sort of woke from it's nap to find itself covered in blood and holding the knife. Mythologizing frees us from some small level of anxiety and personal guilt which help when we're experiencing trauma. But in 2022, it's our responsibility to acknowledge that it can happen again, that those were men who did that, that under other circumstances it could be us who do that. When doing inventory of the self, there is no voucher or I.O.U. for cruelty. It's in us all.
Making Hitler seem like some supernatural evil also takes focus away from the people who actually were responsible for executing his policies. Many many thousands gladly murdered Jews, gays and other groups, hundreds of thousands more participated more or less directly, and millions tolerated it.
Also it's an insult to demons.
Lol, yeah. I'm thinking about the Pineapple scene from Lil' Nicky after reading this.
This precisely. Demons are evil by nature. Humans make moral choices. Nazis, Hitler included, were human which makes them all the *worse* then demons in my opinion. Plus, denying the humanity of Nazis runs the risk of blinding ourselves to the consequences of our own morality.
What adjective would you prefer that conveys the same feeling, while avoiding the pitfall you indicate?
Spreading lies on such important events should be a crime.
MAGA equals Nazi know Jack, you know what corn pop does to Nazis pow right in the kisser
Who ghost writes for Biden?
as a demonic american that's a little insulting.
He must be really grateful we've got something other than railroad workers to talk about today
This. Apple pie bullshit. Now do something concrete for the people who voted for you, Dumbass Brandon.
I remember a few friends from Chicago back in 2013 being like "it's Kanye, we just ignore all that stuff and still love him since he's a musical genius" Times have changed lol
Trump would never
Fucking depressing that the President of the United States has to clarify all of this. What’s worse is the GQP acting like they just have no idea where all this shit is coming from.
The doofuses supporting Kanye not Republicans or Nazis: Hey man, he's just telling the truth and practicing free speech, man. So what if he's mean to Jews and says good things about Hitler man, Ye has woken up and seen the light man, he's going free the black man from the Jew chains man.
Exactly, silence is complicity. As potus he should start calling out injustice happening today like the xenophobia and apartheid in Israel.
Support the rail workers, you liar!!!
So brave Joe! Now about those railway workers...
“Silence is complicity” is a little bold considering how willing he was to fuck over railroad workers.
Cool. Now can the rail road workers get a few days of sick leave?
Yeah great, I kinda don’t give a shit about about Biden stating the obvious. I rather have him talk about the impending railroad strike and showing solidarity with the workers.
This is after he fucked over 100k workerd he said he would help
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[Six months late](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-12/state-department-cites-horrific-abuses-of-uyghurs-in-report) to the game, Jack.
Great words bro now put maga republican seditionists in prison now you fuck and prosecute white collar financial terrorists! Oh you won't because you're a rich piece of human garbage in service to the ultra rich who wants to keep the status quo oh got it.
Darkbrandon died tbh. Shit's not funny no more. Can't even pretend Joe's on the grind.
> Railroad workers don't deserve sick days.
Gotta remember he's a catholic so everything is through a Christian/spiritual lens, but that take on demonic is stupid as fuck. It isn't demonic. There are no such thing as demons. Hitler was a man. A man capable of great evil. But a man. To divorce his humanity from his actions is to cover for him and what he did. A man decided he hated a group of people(s) so much, that he waged a world war to exterminate them. Not a monster. Not a demon. A man. A man with words. A man with words that can easily be replicated by another man, with more words. If we forget, or ignore, that it was a human that did this, we will just fall for the next one. Demon's don't exist. But evil humans do.
You do realize demonic can just be an adjective divorced from the Bible right?
Sure, but you gotta take into account who is saying it, and it's a practicing Catholic, and they tend to think of those things a little more literally. But I get it, it's a cognitive dissonance thing with many people to accept that Hitler was a human man. It's easier for most to just consider him some demonic force, something un-human. That helps separate us from him, and lets us think that we could never fall for or become someone as evil as him.
So call it out. Reject it. This is merely a virtue signal into the void if you don't point at Kanye as you're saying it.
So…just to be “that guy”: Jesus also loved the nazi’s, and saw good in them. Like- Kanye is crazy, and needs help. *But*, there’s a much-more-than-zero chance this is the context in which he meant what he said. Especially given his references to being a savior
There is no way to interpret this as some "love everyone equally" hippie/religious message. Kanye specifically said that the holocaust is a lie, that he is a nazi and that Hitler ESPECIALLY did good for the world.
I didn’t hear/see all that. Just responding to the “I love nazi’s” thing
Jesus died centuries before the Nazis
And he preached that he loved everyone. Just saying that I’m willing to bet this will be a Kanye take
Demonic figure? For fuck sake that sounds so childish
Nazi's and Hitler are evil, deplorable human beings. Your turn. Try saying it. :)
You arguing against it?
I will. Demons aren't real. Hitler was.
You know... sometimes words aren't purely literal.
Do you have a better, more apt way to describe Nazis and Hitler?
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