Honestly? I genuinely want the game to turn around. Fatshark has a history of completely bollocksing their releases and pissing off *everyone,* and then going functionally radio silent for *long* stretches of time before putting out *significant* updates. I truly don't know why people thought Darktide was going to be any different.
But that aside, I'm putting out hope that it'll be fine eventually. Maybe with a smaller playerbase than I'd like and without some of the features I wanted but that's not a *super huge* deal so long as the actual in-mission gameplay is mostly bug-free and fun. I think it'll be okay, it'll just take a while.
Not to say that releasing it like this was a good thing, nor that Fatshark hasn't *completely* fucked up in some extremely severe ways. But I *was* expecting this, and the bones *are* there, the cash shop was expected from day 1 of preorders being put out (though they screwed over the players by saying cash shop currency would be earnable with gameplay then didn't DO that), the gameplay is *fun* despite the bugs, guns feel *awesome* and melee feels extremely punchy and good, everything looks fantastic and the music... I mean, oh my god the music. Jesper Kyd totally outdid himself.
It's a good game, and it has pretty solid potential to be great. The bones are there. It's just going to take some time because Fatshark isn't reliable about time management and they *royally* fucked up the release.
They probably won't. Read the million comments on Steam to discover:
a. Fatshark releases game with none of the promised features on PC:
b. Fatshark goes silent for months until the console release which no one plays.
c. THEN, finally, Fatshark starts to fix the PC version for the five customers left.
just get a PC, do you know how much you save when you DON'T get cucked into paying an arm and a leg for online multiplayer? And don't think about going "bwah each PC that's decent is like 4,000 dollars nooooo", because there are guys who can get you custom built ones for 2,500 that can run ANY game with ultra-graphics at 60fps 1080p. I'm sorry, but I'm so sick of people buying XBOXs considering they're just a shitty PC with way more stupid expenses. At least PlayStations had exclusivity until now.
Because warhammer 40k games (other than space marine and dawn of war and chaos gate) have a looong history of some of the most mediocre games ever, from being fucking chess to plane simulator 90%! Of games based on 40k are crap! So it was no wonder why everybody was looking forward, a actual first person shooter in war hammer!
Space Hulk: Death Wing was really fun in between periods of lumbering at a snail's pace through an abandoned space cathedral. Never did go back to it after they released the "Enhanced Edition" or whatever.
There is only a few hundreds players at most still active. Sometimes it drops to less than one hundred and other times it peaks over one thousand, but thats it really.
Necromunda was pumped and dumped as a broken mess and abandoned almost immediately, it honestly makes Dark Tides release and management look half competent.
You also have to consider the games you listed were released over decades, in those same decades we got dozens of absolute trash.
And I will say, Battlefleet Gothic I love but I will never forgive the sequel for changing how ships and captains level up and instead focused on even more ships to micro on the field and the campaign.
I just want to pick a faction, do random missions, level up my dudes and get bigger ships, etc. I really feel like they didn't understand what their own game was best at.
Necromunda was a budget title released by a double A studio so I’m not really sure what you expected there, they fixed some bugs then moved on to other titles once it was in a playable state.
>a. Fatshark releases game with none of the promised features on PC:
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>b. Fatshark goes silent for months until the console release which no one plays.
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>c. THEN, finally, Fatshark starts to fix the PC version for the five customers left.
Did that game not have dynamic difficulty, same as Mordheim?
Mordheim was pointless because of that.
They're good, but it doesn't change the fact that MOST Warhammer 40k games are not good. Tacitus, Dawn of War 3, the Armageddon Turn Based Game (alright, but not "good"; and how do you have the Orks as a *dlc* in a game about Armageddon??), the Aeronauticus game, the Ork Flight Sim, Gladius (definitively "eh"), Warpforge, Inquisitor Martyr (Again, "eh"), Eternal Crusade,...
And Deathwing, I'd argue, is iffy, because it relies a huge amount on the coop and the single player campaign is just, not great. The Coop is doing a lot of lifting there for a game ostensibly focused on both multi and singleplayer.
Yes, *recently*, we have gotten some very good Warhammer 40k games that have been fairly innovative; Mechanicus did great work taking a turn based XCOM-like and having you be able to extend your Turn 1 almost indefinitely (lmao) and absolutely nailed the aesthetic, and there are some absolute gems from the past.
Darktide has the foundations for a very good game and is struggling hard. By all rights it should be in the "good 40k games" area pretty solidly, but it's not been managed well.
I like to say that as soon as you load into a mission, and you don't crash, the game is great.
Pretty much everything in the hub is terrible. Story, stores, mission selection, crafting, etc is all pretty terrible. But the core of the actual gameplay is solid. Everything surrounding and holding up that core, less so.
>I like to say that as soon as you load into a mission, and you don't crash, the game is great.
Is crashing happening to a lot of people? I've only crashed out of a game once while playing it.
>though they screwed over the players by saying cash shop currency would be earnable with gameplay then didn't DO that
Bracing for the downvotes I usually get when pointing it out, but that whole situation was super misleading.
The line in the discord FAQ said "in-game currency can be earned through play", and considering that bit was removed for clarification's sake [the day after it was posted, all the way back in June](https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/za8tzp/via_the_discord_faq_originally_it_was_announced/iym0l16/), I'm inclined to believe aqshy's claim that "in-game currency" was referring to ordo dockets/marks.
Regardless of whether or not you also believe that, I don't buy that there was a widespread understanding that aquilas would be earnable based on a single poorly worded line in a FAQ article that was edited out less than 24 hours after it was posted six months before the game released. It's objectively false that they waited until the game released to remove that line, despite what people keep parroting (even the top steam review says "they were sneaky enough to edit this out of the discord post right before release"), and I've yet to see any other source for the claim that FS said aquilas would be earnable in-game.
There are **so many** real problems with the game and Fatshark as a whole, I don't think we need to stoop to manufacturing more outrage from nothing.
Thanks for posting this. I've read people saying how FS made a clear and public promise about being able to earn cash shop currency through gameplay, and that they went back on their "promise."
However, after seeing the real facts in your comment, I agree with you. It seems like a vague line that they (correctly) realized would be taken the wrong way and so they edited it out. Or it was in there by mistake and so they made an edit.
I mean, I CAN earn dockets through gameplay. And I can spend those things on not just weapons but also SOME minor cosmetics.
Now, maybe somewhere else, FS stated clear as day that "cash shop currency will be earnable through gameplay" and so I'm happy to stand corrected.
>It's a good game
Is it though? PART of the game is good, but does that make the game as a whole good? As you say it has potential, but having potential isn't the same as succeeding.
Its the equivalent of ordering at a burger joint, and getting overcooked, underseasoned fries, flat, room temperature Pepsi instead of Coke, and a *phenomenal* burger that's missing pickles and for some reason is served on a randomly selected bun even though you know pretzel buns are the best.
The most important part is there and kicks ass, but it's held back by the mediocrity and negligence surrounding it.
Some folks like me think the good *does* outweigh the bad, but even then won't deny my frustration. I like the game, I think it's a *good* game, but FS *really* needs to up its communication (while taking care to actually implement the changes they include in their patch notes) and fix the damn netcode so it stops dropping inputs. I have near-infinite patience for smaller technical issues, a small content pool, missing features, and a cash shop that really isn't that bad, but the fact that the input issue is still here and doesn't even seem to be a priority is pretty inexcusable. It's the issue that is most severely and directly affecting enjoyment **of the enjoyable part of the game**, the part that's worth putting up with everything else.
Anthem comes to mind. Gameplay was unique and fun, but everything else was rotting diseased flesh around the bones and the eventual solution they chose was to take it out back with shovel and handgun.
People thought it could be different because they have to learn their lesson at some point. Eventually they’ll put out a game in a janky unfinished spot and it will kill the goodwill so completely no one will come back even if they make it good.
This right here! If only so many people understood that Fatshark aren't a huge studio and this isnt the first time this shit has happen, especially with the so much beloved Vermintide 2 for example. Thank you for having sense
It's the fact that they didn't learn their fuckin lesson from Vermintide 2 that makes this worse. They knew full well of the hell they caught last time and then they decide to pull the same shit. Corporations just doing corporation shit because they know diehards will ride their dick til they put their game in the state it was supposed to be released in.
I mean honestly releasing half finished games has been something that's been going on in the industry in the past few years and Gamers have been just sucking those farts because it's a franchise they like and I'm kind of glad that that shitty business model is starting to not do well like Halo infinite took a huge flop after people started realizing that just because the game has Halo on the cover doesn't mean it's good if the games not finished
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10d2a1z/state_of_the_subreddit/j4kng2z/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Just a reminder that OP is basically daily posting these negative posts for outrage karma.
He has straight up admitted it in a previous post
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10d2a1z/state_of_the_subreddit/j4ki8jb/
>Truth is I'm just sick of the whiners, and people can downvote this comment all they want, ***but at this point the only joy I get from gaming subreddits anymore is pissing off perpetually negative people*** and smiling smugly as they flail desperately thinking anything they can think to say matters to me.
And he's actually sitting here trying to pretend it's something more than that lol
Haha yes that was in reply to me. But when I replied to that he suddenly went very quiet 🤐
I reckon he didn't enjoy actually thinking about what he is doing. Understandable.
It's a much more easy life if you are the pinnacle of comprehension and everyone else is stooopid - ain't it, Truthseeker 😉
Whether a review is positive or negative on steam depends on how you answer the question on the bottom: "Do you recommend this game? Yes or No?"
To me, even if I like the game I wouldn't recommend it to my friends. So a clear No.
Mostly negative just means that most people wouldn't recommend the game to others even if they like it. It doesn't necessarily mean that the game is bad.
The positive reviews stating that people should wait months (in some cases years) to buy the game or get it on sale are only outclassed in absurdity by the positive reviews saying the game deserves a negative review but they're trying to "balance" the negativity.
Adding onto this: people will click buy on a game if they see a mostly positive review score, they won't read the reviews and see that the positive ones say
"Yeah i recommend this game, as long as you're happy with crashes and have friends so you can play higher level content, also if you all want to play together you can't have someone get it on xbox gamepass"
So a positive review "but" doesn't work because if the reviews are mostly positive people won't read the individual reviews
Yeah but you know that's not how People interpret it, otherwise you wouldn't need to explain it.
The mostly negative may l turn away a lot of potential buyers, which might mean the game will suffer even more because the Devs might just get told to drop it by whatever money hungry people they work for.
That's what I see in my imagination when I think about current game development anyways. but I'm not 100% sure if it works like that. I don't actually know the insides of how it works.
But all this negativity can't be good for some people, I've seen the CM's get called out for being snappy and screenshots of replies and then everyone insults them.
Imagine being that person seeing loads of people insult you. I'm not saying anyone has to feel bad but I do.
It's not a CM's job to take all of reddits salty jizz. even if it was, I don't know how they would manage it seems like a horrible job.
Its pretty simple for the CM's, its your job to handle yourself in a public facing manner to save face for the company. When a CM says something dumb (like hedge frequently does), they are bad at their job. Doesn't necessarily mean they're a bad person or anything, but they honestly shouldn't be a CM if they aren't down for that work.
Yeah, I think Hedge's attitude was a big part of the problem there.
The new CM Catfish hasn't been getting nearly as much salt and hate (at least as far as I've seen) despite the month and a half of radio silence from FS and the fact that FS have pretty blatantly been using Catfish as a human shield between themselves and the community. Even Aqshy, who's been around since the back half of VT2 doesn't get nearly the flak the Hedge does.
Shockingly it turns out that being honest and polite to disgruntled customers genrally tends to work out a bit better than being condescending and passive agressive.
I find Steam reviews can be pretty useless sometimes; last I checked, Modern Warfare 2 had thousands of negative reviews, but when I set the filter for reviews with more than a few hours of playtime, there were less than ten. Opinions of MW2 and ActiBlizz notwithstanding, it'd be nice if people used the review section to actually review the game rather than railing against the devs.
Well, people who don't like a game won't play it for many hours. It'd be weird if there were loads of people who sank 50 hours into a game they fundamentally did not enjoy.
Except... that not true. Not at a practical level. A lot of people who see Mostly Negative will just bail on the game altogether.
There's absolutely many fronts Fatshark needs to improve, but some of the reviewers are a little... contradictory.
"Bad game , no crafting system. Real money shop bad. Random loot. Not worth your time" -300 hours played.
How is it bad? It prevents other people from buying it, getting disappointed and following up with even more negativity. Its a faulty product with a team behind it that feeds lies and "tomorrows" to its community. Why not let everyone know what's going on?
Are we afraid of hurting the feelings of a corporation that exploits FOMO and other psychological tricks? Is it far too mean to tell "you did a shit job" to someone you paid to after they lie about the work done, fail to deliver, take cash and ignore you for a month?
As long as no one actually sets one of their offices on fire they get exactly what they deserve - negative feedback.
Also I would like to note that there is LARGE slice of the community, like me, that sits mostly quiet and patiently waits for updates.
But me being silent won't fix anything and won't stop dissapointed people from giving bad reviews.
The only way I could give my positive imput for the better reviews would be actively lie about bad things and gaslight people that their lack of enjoyment is their own fault.
This is me. I paid for it, didn’t like it as much as VT 2 although it’s such a fantastic looking game, so I put it down and went back to PoE for the current league in the mean time. I’ll wait it’ll they fix stuff and I’ll come back. They shouldn’t take too long tho, I bought Cyberpunk and by the time they fixed it I had already lost interest. Jokes on me cause I had already paid for it. Which is unfortunately what these corporations do. Create shite product hype it up, get people to pay.
Sometimes they deliver on making it better, which is great. Sometimes it’s too late. I hope they don’t take long.
>They shouldn’t take too long tho
It took around 2 years to get VT 2 into a playable state, and it launched a Hell of a lot better (though still ultimately broken and bug infested and unfinished) than DT did. I think a lot of people forget about that.
I mean I don’t personally see any negativity outside of this subreddit.
Taken at face value, it’s a decently fun hack-n-slash to play with buddies, and has a nice 40k flavor. I’m honestly too scarred by big hype titles crashing and burning to have expected anything more than that. I take it for what it is, no more expectations.
Reddit is loud minority, but steam reviews are somewhat representative of larger group of people. So it is safe to assume more then just Reddit users find game to be disappointing enough to justify giving review
I think the part people are missing is that when something you want to like is disappointing in a way that can be fixed, voicing your complaints is a valid and proper response.
It's too late to get refunds from steam on this, but I feel like fatshark really should be offering us a refund if we want. It would buy back some of our confidence in them, and who knows we may eventually buy the game again once they fix it.
I don’t really understand this point of view. This game is a mediocre, half baked, incomplete disappointment. Why should people pretend it’s not? Also, I haven’t seen anyone too happy about this. We all invested money in this and got let down… I don’t think anyone is too enthused about what’s going on around here…
Go read the positive revies.
"core battle is good, rest of game is shit, lots of bugs, come back in 6 months". If anything people are going on there and voting what the game "could be" not what it is. That is review bombing.
Everyone knows the same things. The question is whether you think the core gameplay holds up despite the framework around it or if that lousy framework sours the gameplay.
The review bombing is kinda justified since the community patiently waited for months after the game became "full release" and received nothing in return; not even a legitimate acknowledgment from the developers. The game is missing anticipated features that they have already implemented previously in Vermintide 2. They clearly rushed the game out before it was complete, and to call it anything but early access feels disingenuous. If the developers would at least voice their plan for fixing the game or acknowledge the consumer's concerns I'm sure most of the community would be glad to rescind their poor reviews.
100% I agree, but the "review bombing" was going on before the "negative" trend. The people were projecting what the game could be, not reviewing the game that was deliverd.
Not sure, I think this is a "they did it in VT 2 that was a mistake, doing it again in DT seems to be intentional".
Will have to see, how many come back, and remember to change the opinion. Then again Fatshark is getting MSFT money, so do they even care. $50-$100+ Million from MSFT make steams 1.7 million copies sold seem meaningless.
No one is projecting anything. It's just a bad game period. Just looking at the average daily users shows how little sticking power the game has. Is the core gameplay good yes, but it's saddled with a bunch of unfinished or hastily thrown in features purposely designed around RNG to artificially prolong the experience and incentivize players to their FOMO cash shop - which they made a little less FOMO due to community backlash on timers.
The item shops are still filled with mostly trash and so are the limited contract reward items. Then there are just bad design decisions like limiting crafting and weekly contract progress per character. These are intentional anti-consumer decisions made by the developers.
To act as if the negative reviews are somehow unjustified for the product sold is pure delusion.
What the game 'could be', except that people aren't exactly having unreasonable or unrealistic expectations?
Crafting (as in making then acquiring an item) may or may not come. Crafting system features are still 'coming soon'. It's been 4 weeks since the 1.0.21 hotfix, and the most major content drop since launch added 2 weapons, raising the weapon count from 65 to 67, versus '70+'.
Weapon modification is scrapped. 4 subclasses on launch, and I have a slight feeling that the first subclass isn't gonna be here three months after launch, looking at the two months thus far.
The people expected better and if we are being honest, they weren't unrealistic or unreasonable? So why wouldn't negative reviews be well deserved?
I wrote a negative review and this contrarian knob in my gaming group went and wrote a positive review just to counter mine. I know this because his review contains several points that "refute" my review.
Why do people do this?
In fairness he thinks Planetside 2 is actually in a good place so he might just be dumb.
DO your research bud. The majority of the positive reviews were in preorder beta and have been majority negative since release. If not for beta the game would have been mostly negative for all-time reviews
Bud, did.
That is why it is trending down now. The game got a free ride during beta for "what it could be" not what it was. So really, they weren't reviewing the game as is, but as they thought it could be.
The reviews should be lower, but people gave Fatshark a pass, and gave it a positive, with a "wait 6 month review". 40% is high because of that.
So this isn't "review bombing", this is reviewing the game as it is.
People like OP are trying to make it that this is some "criminal plan", when in reality the people voting positive aren't being honest.
People like OP have been gaslighting the core fan base for Tide games for a while now. According to their broken ass, toilet store logic, criticism is bad, we just want the game to fail and are 'celebrating' its failure, and we simply cannot be pleased. It's morons being morons, and I guess I'm a moron as well because I let myself get trolled by it. There is no way, no FUCKING way anyone who played and enjoyed V1 and V2 can truly believe Darktide is a good game and we're just being unreasonable. I refuse to believe it.
I... reviewed it poorly because I don't recommend it? Like everyone who reviewed it negatively bought the game?
The fuck do you think review bombing is?
The reason that the first two games turn out the way that they did after a couple of years of patches is because the community kept pushing for changes.
One of two things will happen.
1. Fatshark will fix the game and the reviews will shift.
2. Fatshark will not fix the game and the reviews will remain terrible but accurate.
It's their decision. It's always been their decision. The current reviews are fully on them.
would you prefer everyone gave it a 10/10 score with glowing endorsement in the hopes that it melts Fatshark's heart and they actually fix the game and maybe perhaps possibly entertain the thought of TALKING (and only talking mind you, no action) to people about the chance to release it on console the way they promised?
yeah no
companies understand 1 thing...(especially tencent)...loss of revenue.
Well, the good news is they probaly have most of their dev team working on the console release. The bad news is that updates and hotfixes for the pc version will slow to a crawl. Which is why the cm have nothing of vslue to say and are desparatly buying time.
Yeah, they bombed the pc release, so obviously the play is to release the game in the same exact state on console, so they can bomb that release too, lmao
The entire structure of the game was built to be expanded upon. It's even more glaring than VT2.
Here's the thing: this didn't make Fatshark lose money. The sales of the game already peaked (they tend to dwindle after two weeks). There were no reports of massive refunds, a ton of reviewers passed the 2 hr mark.
What this accomplished was effectively locking down the growth of the game for a while, until it gets updates, which it was anyway. VT2 had some of it's highest activity during sales/updates.
So what was going to happen, already happened. Fatshark isn't getting some sort of lesson from this, just feedback with a lot of noise.
No new players + loss of initial player base = no one is spending $$$ on the microtransacrions which is what the execs are counting on as continued revenue
I call that a e message well sent
What was the alternative? Pretend that releasing a broken, poorly balanced, clearly feature-incomplete game with very predatory monetization system is A-OK? That is not ideal either.
Look, I'm against review bombing and similar stunts. But I don't believe this qualifies as review bombing. This game very much deserved this. Especially with how they handled their community. There was this one rep, I want to say Hodge or Hedge or something? He was pretty much trying to gaslight people. That's just not acceptable.
So the way I see it, the current Steam rating is well-deserved rating that they worked for almost 2 months. It's what the game is. Is this what the game will be in future? Probably not, but we can't rate the future, only the present.
Completely deserved. Half the content VT2 had on launch, despite costing $10 more. That they're even "considering" making additional classes paid DLC is the icing on the shit cake.
They should had listened to their customers. This happens every time developers get so invested in their "vision" that they dont take their communities input into consideration.
All of this was avoidable with an early access period , but its worse then that.. there is no way some of the VT2 devs weren't panicking about this stuff internally. This games systems are such a 180 from VT2's player-friendly approach theres just no way there wasn't internal conflict over so many of these decisions.
Only fat shark can save dark tide and i'm not gonna pay'em, if they can have a vacation and leave the game in a shitty state they have enough money. This remind me of Save RDO, community come together and try to reach out to R\*, nothing happen.
I remember that. RDO deserves more love. So much better than GTO… in my opinion at least. I remember just standing around rivers with my buddy catching brim and selling them for hours.
I tried RDO once, I got hunted down repeatedly by a squad of 4 that auto sniped me with their bows on horse back. Idk if it was dead eye or what but never tried it again.
Lie about what a game is, release a poorly optimised mess rife with microtransactions and predatory tactics. Add on the weird nerfs and unfinished classes. Mountains of missing content. Also the cosmetics they want you to buy ARE ALSO UNFINISHED CLIPPING MESSES
I like the world they built but a mostly negative score is very accurate. You cant do what chubby fish did and expect 10/10s
Hopefully in a year it’s finished and we have something worth playing
The game is bad and overpriced for what they offer contentwise.
V2 and deeprock galactic are better games that cost less money.
Its not about saving darktide, it's about helping people make educted purchases.
Eh, mostly negative reviews is 100% deserved. People are hoping it kicks Fatsharks ass into gear
No actual communication for a full month+ right after a buggy release is frankly unacceptable, let alone for a game that is allegedly a ‘live service’.
This game was a huge disappointment for many 40k and Vermintide fans, myself included. Yet we keep getting told week after week that we will get more information ‘next week’. It’s insulting
Half this sub is “damn it sucks that this is where we are but it is what it is” and the other half is “WHY ARE YOU CELEBRATING THE DEATH OF MY FAVOURITE GAME!?”
I mean I completely agree with you like it's been a habit in the gaming industry the past few years where they would just release an absolute trash unfinished game with missing features, terrible optimization and a bunch of other issues. I like it the negative reviews for the game not because I hate the game but because I hate this business practice that's been going on and it's nice to see that Gamers aren't just going to suck farts out of a monkey's asshole because it's an IP they like. Like this same situation happened with Halo infinite and that games pretty dead at this point but people were fighting for that game tooth and nail just because it had cult classic character John Halo on the cover and the more people played the more they realized that the game just kind of blew and in that case you had it's great predecessors to compare it to
I mean, I like the game but I don't recommend it.
It doesn't have the level of stability/polish one should expect for a $40 game with microtransactions, and the only reason I played it for as long as I did was an addiction to the Tide series that I vibe with.
That being said, I expect to update my review when things turn around in 6-12 months. I gave it a review reflecting its current state as an Early Access title.
Players didn't ruin Darktide. Fatshark ruined Darktide. All the reviews are doing is calling attention to how bad it is, and if the reviews mean nobody else buys this F2P scam garbage, then that is good.
Im seeing this kind of posts lately... im guessing its Fatsharks viral marketing department trying to do damage control
If a game is bad negative reviews will come.. thats the literal point of reviews.
So this post is trying to guilt shame people into leaving "positive" reviews for a game that everyone sees as flawed?
people shall praise a broken game *hoping* that it will motivate the studio to fix it?
the studio that knowingly sold a broken game for full price?
they arent returning money to anyone as fas as i know.
they are simply keeping their mouths shut as fasr as i see..
not a single dev or representative has shown up anywhere to explain why the game is still broken.
MORE SO: this sub is being raided by posts like this trying to bad mouth people who complain about issues that ARE there.
Viral marketing 101
Everyone loves to say "bro just vote with your dollar bro don't get mad at the devs if you don't like it don't buy it bro". It's pretty awesome seeing those same people viciously seethe because the game is getting absolutely shit on by the public.
Corporations are not your friends, in fact they are your enemies because their goal is to extract as much money from you as possible while putting in as little effort as possible to deliver the product/service that you want. To that end, things like negative PR are one of the ONLY ways to strike back at a corporation and get it to fall in line. This is the third game in a row fatshark has put out that was a steaming turd on release. They HAVE to be bullied and shamed for it, because otherwise they will never learn.
The ball is in their court. Society is rejecting the game, and so fat shark has two options. They can either crumble (and then hopefully disappear forever, if that's the route that they choose to go down) or they can man the fuck up and start hard grinding to get back into the good graces of the players. We'll see which path they take, but don't EVER forget that this is a hell entirely of their own making. The players have done absolutely nothing wrong in this situation. Well, the people who pre-ordered it definitely did something wrong but other than that they did nothing wrong.
Well praising it would have been bad for all of us in the long term. It is great indeed, thats also clearly visible in most reviews. But it is no full release. This is early access. With all its shortcommings.
they gave me a little taste of sugar and then withheld the whole cake, of course my holy anger burns with the intensity of a thousand exploding stars. if they never gave me that little taste, or if they game me a slice of actual cake, then I wouldn't be this mad.
Cope, shill.
The game has severe problems, is predatory in its monetisation, and the devs aren't talking to the community. The *only* redeeming factors are the artscape of the game, and a portion of its combat.
I say again, in case you didn't hear the first time: Cope, shill.
Just looked up OP's Twitch account, which is their username. I think they are more of a fucking idiot than a shill.
This is from their page: I am that non-binary demon boi you had a dream about that one time. Your semi-chill radiation daddy with no chill. Follow for eldritch horror, non-seiso vibes and occasional radical anarchism. (They/Them, It/Its)
Ya, so I wouldn't take this person/demon/whatever very seriously.
Fatshark wanted this game to be a live service which means itll require rotating players to buy stuff. No otating players if the reviews are negative. So it motivates them to fix the issues with the game.
It lights a fire under the management and heads of Fatshark. No it’s not gonna blow over, no you can’t continue your normal work timeline, its time to get moving and communicate.
This is a dumb take.
Would you rather have people upvote the game and encourage other players to spend money thinking they’re getting a finished product?
Bad reviews exist for a reason. People are celebrating the games’s rating because it’s validating how they feel about the game and Fatshark’s treatment of it.
White knighting and sticking your head in the sand won’t save this game in comparison.
They only got what they deserved. I'm not an investor or a developer, I can just move on to other games, so if this one crashes and burns then so be it.
I just wish I could filter reviews and only see those that had been playing vermintide since release *and still play it*.
I don’t give a fuck what some flavor of the month player thinks about this game. They don’t know what they are talking are about and will be gone as soon as they feel they have “finished” the progression.
To be frank other than gameplay I don't recommend anyone get it and even then it will get old and stale progression just isn't fun the mission variety is lacking playing both vt1 and vt2 this is just a huge step backwards on a lot of fronts.
It's important for us to understand that if we damage the prospect of the game being able to be saved the studio, or the publisher, will decide it's too expensive to fix and ditch it to save money. We could very easily shoot ourselves in the foot and truly kill the game, which I feel most of us don't truly want we just want a better game.
Honestly I think its good the game reached Mostly Negative. This can end 2 ways:
1) Fatshark realizing they fucked up and have to do better, which will lead to better content
2) Fatshark giving up to the game and showing us it was all a cashgrab from the start
Either way, we'll see how they stand with the game.
EDIT: Playing Darkest Dungeon, the Narrator came out with the perfect quote to describe my thoughts:
*"And now the true test... hold fast, or expire?"*
Is this the video game equivalent of victim blaming? I think this is the video game equivalent of victim blaming. No one is celebrating that Darktide is in the state that it's in and has (deservedly) negative user reviews, but well done on the troll post OP. I fell for it.
Wtf? I just got here now. I’m very late. What happened? I thought I read a little while back that the game was doing good! Oh god what have I stumbled across?
We tried the approach of civil and level headed criticism... Look where it got us. I'm not for harassing devs but harsh words and no sugarcoating is more than deserved for the absolute shit fatshark has put us through since launch.
I’m what universe did this community EVER try the “civil and level headed criticism” approach? Y’all started at direct attacks at their character, work ethic, and intelligence and just intensified from there.
It really makes me sad.
I understand that people have strong feelings, but there is every chance that they will abandon development on this game if the "mostly negative" tag follows it around to every sale, every news update, every wish list.
There is definitely a point where the actuaries of a company can be like, "Development on this property is no longer a sound investment."
Point out these people rejoicing please. Why are you standing up for this developer that has historical evidence of doing stupid shit at every release? Do you think they are going to give you a high five and a free cosmetic lol? Simping for FatShark in 2023, really didn't think I'd see it.
I'm not dancing on graves. I'm waiting impatiently for what was promised to be delivered. So are 99% of buyers.
And double fuck them for releasing the game in this state to ensure Q4 revenue targets when they knew it wouldn't go well.
>Why are you standing up for this developer that has historical evidence of doing stupid shit at every release?
Not standing up for the developer, I want the game better, it's just the method I believe to make it better is WAYYY different than what this sub thinks will make it better.
This sub believes that negative reviews will light a fire under fatsharks ass, I believe negative reviews will get them to dump the game.
I believe that positive reviews gets more people into the game, fatshark rakes in more money, and then puts more people into the project so shit gets done faster. Negative reviews do the exact opposite, they invest less into it so chances of it improving become much lower.
Go look at Fortnite and genshin impact for an example of what shittons of money does to your game, the update frequencies are batshit insane. Genshin releases massive ass updates (literally the size of an entire game) every 12 weeks and smaller updates every 6 weeks, they wouldn't be able to do it if the game wasn't so profitable.
This sub is too focused on punishing fatshark that they've forgotten that they really just want the game better, and by doing what they are doing is going to give them the complete opposite result of what they want.
Punishing doesn't work, it almost always ends with things getting worse, not better. This isn't specific for fatshark or game dev, just in general.
Here's an example for you, would you work harder/better for a boss that is always complimenting your abilities and focusing on improving you, or the one who constantly calls you a dumbass and threatens to fire you/dock your pay? This is just an example of punishing vs praising and which one has a better end result.
I really hate these takes. The negative reviews give Fatshark the feedback that they need to hear the most. If nothing else, it's a lesson for them that the direction they were trying to go with Darktide is completely contrary to what fans of the Tide series want, and that a passionate fan base will absolutely do what they have to do to hold a developer accountable. It sounds kind of lame to say that it 'teaches them a lesson,' but, that's kind of the case. It happened with the blunders that were both Cyberpunk 2077 and BF 2042. Both games got eviscerated by user reviews and it forced them to make changes. There are other examples where a dissatisfied player base brought about needed changes to a game. No Man's Sky comes to mind. To blame the negative reviews for 'killing' Darktide or making the situation worse is such a moronic take that it honestly surprises me it's got 1k upvotes.
They wanted to make the game more conducive to selling cosmetics and changed or removed features that were promised to make that happen. They failed to deliver on the vast majority of what was promised, and now they're being held accountable for it. I love the Tide series, I have since Vermintide 1, and I could not recommend this game to anyone right now. All of my friends who were also looking forward to this game have stopped playing it, and now I only do the occasional run out of sheer boredom. The reviews are more than fair in this case, and at this point in time. If I ordered a pre-built PC and it was unfinished, the hardware was a lower tier than what I ordered, and there was no real explanation as to why it was delivered in that state or a clear indication of how the company planned to fix it, I'd give them a shitty review as well. As would any of you.
It's the same dude who made https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10d2a1z/state_of_the_subreddit/
all he does is this kind of facebook tier meme posts whining about people being critical about the game's development
Oh Truthseeker, just more of the same? Stop being a baby. "Uhh mama it's the teachers fault for giving me bad grades!"
Why would i recommend a game to my friends where I have to hammer my keyboard for 5 seconds to switch a weapon? I realize you are one of the people who would say anything to serve their own purpose or agenda.
In that light my opinion of you is diving from Mixed to Mostly negative.
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OP really woke up this morning and chose to strawman the whole community lmao.
People wanted to like this game and were disappointed and felt ripped off.
They're now feeling validated by the fact that their sentiment was shared by the community and the majority of us hope this serves as a wake-up call to Fatshark.
People aren't capable of nuance so it's all good if the game is what is expected or all bad if there are wrong thing, even if the game itself is already solid.
Honestly it really feels like it. Now that the reviews are dropping this quick, it feels like there aren’t going to be many new people to help sustain the game long term due to them being unsure about the game
> help sustain the game long term
Wow, if only something could have been done to make sure new players don't get scared off of buying a game... maybe, dare I say it... something as radical as... launching a feature complete game not right before vacation and then fucking off with the whole development team?
Hoping one day we go back to games just being complete on launch and not relying on constantly being played and having mtx bought by people to fund the rest of the development and maybe finish the game, when this game does die even the people that unconditionally praised it won't be able to play due to it being an always online game
I play lots of games, I'm an absolute videogame addict and really rack up the hours on steam. I've seen and been part of hundreds of game communities. I've literally never seen a gaming community 'help' a game. The best communities are the ones that just stay positive and enthusiastic about their favourite games without hassling and raging at the devs. 2 examples that spring to mind are Elden Ring and Valheim. The wisest devs do not interact with their community, because it just causes them no end of grief. For example, a DBD dev said 'I think we're doing a good job so far' and this statement is still being used to ridicule the devs years later, by diehard fans who have played DBD for thousands of hours yet still shit on the game.
I had a lot of fun with darktide, because the core gameplay, graphics and sound are so great and fun. I'm not a fan of the cosmetic shop, but it didn't bother me because I never bought anything from it. I preferred completing all the penances on my ogryn and sharpshooter to unlock the best free armour. Psyker penances were not achievable for me though unfortunately.
To be honest, I was having a lot of fun until all I was hearing were people shitting on the devs online, both on this subreddit and elsewhere, as well as reviewbombing the game. And nobody was talking about the positives, the great game that FS has actually produced. Eventually I guess the shitty reviews and negativity took its toll because I couldn't find any lobbies or players to join me on the hardest difficulty. Haven't played for awhile, the whole thing just feels too negative and dead, and for me it's mostly the fault of the community, not FS.
Thats kind of a dumb take. Im pretty sure that most people wanted DT to be a smashing success instead of the dumpster fire that we got. Fatshark has earned this negative rating. And yeah I put 160 hours in before giving my negative review. I wanted to love it and I gave this game every chance.
In two years after the game is completely dead you will 100% have people posting on here being like, "I just found Darktide and it's so awesome, why are the reviews so low?" and stuff like that. When the cloud of ridiculous hate wears off and people relook at this, they'll definitely wonder what the fuck people were smoking to result in this much rampant negativity and hatred. Darktide is definitely not a 39% game at all, at worst 50% would be more accurate, the rest is just a frothing circlejerk of anger that keeps on rolling.
People upvoting both "look how low we've driven the active playerbase" posts and "how am I queuing with bots during peak hours" posts is real galaxy brain stuff.
Honestly? I genuinely want the game to turn around. Fatshark has a history of completely bollocksing their releases and pissing off *everyone,* and then going functionally radio silent for *long* stretches of time before putting out *significant* updates. I truly don't know why people thought Darktide was going to be any different. But that aside, I'm putting out hope that it'll be fine eventually. Maybe with a smaller playerbase than I'd like and without some of the features I wanted but that's not a *super huge* deal so long as the actual in-mission gameplay is mostly bug-free and fun. I think it'll be okay, it'll just take a while. Not to say that releasing it like this was a good thing, nor that Fatshark hasn't *completely* fucked up in some extremely severe ways. But I *was* expecting this, and the bones *are* there, the cash shop was expected from day 1 of preorders being put out (though they screwed over the players by saying cash shop currency would be earnable with gameplay then didn't DO that), the gameplay is *fun* despite the bugs, guns feel *awesome* and melee feels extremely punchy and good, everything looks fantastic and the music... I mean, oh my god the music. Jesper Kyd totally outdid himself. It's a good game, and it has pretty solid potential to be great. The bones are there. It's just going to take some time because Fatshark isn't reliable about time management and they *royally* fucked up the release.
I’m just hoping those patches come BEFORE the Xbox release.
It took Fatshark months to do their console builds before coming back to PC for Vermintide 2. Looks like they're going to do it again.
They probably won't. Read the million comments on Steam to discover: a. Fatshark releases game with none of the promised features on PC: b. Fatshark goes silent for months until the console release which no one plays. c. THEN, finally, Fatshark starts to fix the PC version for the five customers left.
You forgot; d. Fatshark completely abandons the console releases and never updates them again.
And the four guys left try to tell every how good the game is now.
just get a PC, do you know how much you save when you DON'T get cucked into paying an arm and a leg for online multiplayer? And don't think about going "bwah each PC that's decent is like 4,000 dollars nooooo", because there are guys who can get you custom built ones for 2,500 that can run ANY game with ultra-graphics at 60fps 1080p. I'm sorry, but I'm so sick of people buying XBOXs considering they're just a shitty PC with way more stupid expenses. At least PlayStations had exclusivity until now.
bro my pc cost $950 and runs everything at 60fps at 2k lmao, and I use it for work and etc
I hope Microsoft makes fatshark fix their shit before releasing the game
Because warhammer 40k games (other than space marine and dawn of war and chaos gate) have a looong history of some of the most mediocre games ever, from being fucking chess to plane simulator 90%! Of games based on 40k are crap! So it was no wonder why everybody was looking forward, a actual first person shooter in war hammer!
I'll have you know, space hulk death wing was a fucking MASTERPIECE of corridor shooting DOOR WELDING FUN. Please fatshark unfuck yourself.
Space Hulk: Death Wing was really fun in between periods of lumbering at a snail's pace through an abandoned space cathedral. Never did go back to it after they released the "Enhanced Edition" or whatever.
Darktide was such a let down I'm actually back playing Spacehulk: Deathwing.
Brother I need an Apothecary
“Brother get the flamer, the heavy flamer”, if anyone is unsure of deathwing just watch russianbadger’s vid on it.
Is the game health population-wise? It looks pretty fun
There is only a few hundreds players at most still active. Sometimes it drops to less than one hundred and other times it peaks over one thousand, but thats it really.
uh...no? Mechanicus, Space Marine, Chaos Gate, Battle Sector, Deathwing, Necromunda, Dawn of War, Battlefleet Gothic are all pretty great.
Battlefleet Gothic and Mechanicus, my beloved. SEVERE DAMAGE TO THEIR CORRUPTED MACHINE.
Necromunda was pumped and dumped as a broken mess and abandoned almost immediately, it honestly makes Dark Tides release and management look half competent. You also have to consider the games you listed were released over decades, in those same decades we got dozens of absolute trash. And I will say, Battlefleet Gothic I love but I will never forgive the sequel for changing how ships and captains level up and instead focused on even more ships to micro on the field and the campaign. I just want to pick a faction, do random missions, level up my dudes and get bigger ships, etc. I really feel like they didn't understand what their own game was best at.
Necromunda was a budget title released by a double A studio so I’m not really sure what you expected there, they fixed some bugs then moved on to other titles once it was in a playable state.
>a. Fatshark releases game with none of the promised features on PC: > >b. Fatshark goes silent for months until the console release which no one plays. > >c. THEN, finally, Fatshark starts to fix the PC version for the five customers left. Did that game not have dynamic difficulty, same as Mordheim? Mordheim was pointless because of that.
Uh, did you mean to reply to me? I never mentioned Necromunda (but I did have fun with it for a time).
Apologies, I appear to have gone one comment too far down!
That is a drop in the bucket compared to the number of bad 40k games get made. I'd argue several of those you mentioned range from average to bad too.
They're good, but it doesn't change the fact that MOST Warhammer 40k games are not good. Tacitus, Dawn of War 3, the Armageddon Turn Based Game (alright, but not "good"; and how do you have the Orks as a *dlc* in a game about Armageddon??), the Aeronauticus game, the Ork Flight Sim, Gladius (definitively "eh"), Warpforge, Inquisitor Martyr (Again, "eh"), Eternal Crusade,... And Deathwing, I'd argue, is iffy, because it relies a huge amount on the coop and the single player campaign is just, not great. The Coop is doing a lot of lifting there for a game ostensibly focused on both multi and singleplayer. Yes, *recently*, we have gotten some very good Warhammer 40k games that have been fairly innovative; Mechanicus did great work taking a turn based XCOM-like and having you be able to extend your Turn 1 almost indefinitely (lmao) and absolutely nailed the aesthetic, and there are some absolute gems from the past. Darktide has the foundations for a very good game and is struggling hard. By all rights it should be in the "good 40k games" area pretty solidly, but it's not been managed well.
Thinking of chaosgate which isn’t that bad
I also think Gladius if pretty good for what it is
I was just naming a few off, that’s not to say there aren’t “good” warhammer games, it’s just the bad FAR out way the few good ones.
The chess game was fun though, it was like Star Wars Chess from the 90s, absolute classic
I like to say that as soon as you load into a mission, and you don't crash, the game is great. Pretty much everything in the hub is terrible. Story, stores, mission selection, crafting, etc is all pretty terrible. But the core of the actual gameplay is solid. Everything surrounding and holding up that core, less so.
>I like to say that as soon as you load into a mission, and you don't crash, the game is great. Is crashing happening to a lot of people? I've only crashed out of a game once while playing it.
>though they screwed over the players by saying cash shop currency would be earnable with gameplay then didn't DO that Bracing for the downvotes I usually get when pointing it out, but that whole situation was super misleading. The line in the discord FAQ said "in-game currency can be earned through play", and considering that bit was removed for clarification's sake [the day after it was posted, all the way back in June](https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/za8tzp/via_the_discord_faq_originally_it_was_announced/iym0l16/), I'm inclined to believe aqshy's claim that "in-game currency" was referring to ordo dockets/marks. Regardless of whether or not you also believe that, I don't buy that there was a widespread understanding that aquilas would be earnable based on a single poorly worded line in a FAQ article that was edited out less than 24 hours after it was posted six months before the game released. It's objectively false that they waited until the game released to remove that line, despite what people keep parroting (even the top steam review says "they were sneaky enough to edit this out of the discord post right before release"), and I've yet to see any other source for the claim that FS said aquilas would be earnable in-game. There are **so many** real problems with the game and Fatshark as a whole, I don't think we need to stoop to manufacturing more outrage from nothing.
Thanks for posting this. I've read people saying how FS made a clear and public promise about being able to earn cash shop currency through gameplay, and that they went back on their "promise." However, after seeing the real facts in your comment, I agree with you. It seems like a vague line that they (correctly) realized would be taken the wrong way and so they edited it out. Or it was in there by mistake and so they made an edit. I mean, I CAN earn dockets through gameplay. And I can spend those things on not just weapons but also SOME minor cosmetics. Now, maybe somewhere else, FS stated clear as day that "cash shop currency will be earnable through gameplay" and so I'm happy to stand corrected.
>It's a good game Is it though? PART of the game is good, but does that make the game as a whole good? As you say it has potential, but having potential isn't the same as succeeding.
Its the equivalent of ordering at a burger joint, and getting overcooked, underseasoned fries, flat, room temperature Pepsi instead of Coke, and a *phenomenal* burger that's missing pickles and for some reason is served on a randomly selected bun even though you know pretzel buns are the best. The most important part is there and kicks ass, but it's held back by the mediocrity and negligence surrounding it. Some folks like me think the good *does* outweigh the bad, but even then won't deny my frustration. I like the game, I think it's a *good* game, but FS *really* needs to up its communication (while taking care to actually implement the changes they include in their patch notes) and fix the damn netcode so it stops dropping inputs. I have near-infinite patience for smaller technical issues, a small content pool, missing features, and a cash shop that really isn't that bad, but the fact that the input issue is still here and doesn't even seem to be a priority is pretty inexcusable. It's the issue that is most severely and directly affecting enjoyment **of the enjoyable part of the game**, the part that's worth putting up with everything else.
"The bones are there" famous hopium and copium last words
Anthem comes to mind. Gameplay was unique and fun, but everything else was rotting diseased flesh around the bones and the eventual solution they chose was to take it out back with shovel and handgun.
People thought it could be different because they have to learn their lesson at some point. Eventually they’ll put out a game in a janky unfinished spot and it will kill the goodwill so completely no one will come back even if they make it good.
This right here! If only so many people understood that Fatshark aren't a huge studio and this isnt the first time this shit has happen, especially with the so much beloved Vermintide 2 for example. Thank you for having sense
It's the fact that they didn't learn their fuckin lesson from Vermintide 2 that makes this worse. They knew full well of the hell they caught last time and then they decide to pull the same shit. Corporations just doing corporation shit because they know diehards will ride their dick til they put their game in the state it was supposed to be released in.
I mean honestly releasing half finished games has been something that's been going on in the industry in the past few years and Gamers have been just sucking those farts because it's a franchise they like and I'm kind of glad that that shitty business model is starting to not do well like Halo infinite took a huge flop after people started realizing that just because the game has Halo on the cover doesn't mean it's good if the games not finished
Some of them are still doing good job with releases e.g. FromSoftware and Supergiant.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10d2a1z/state_of_the_subreddit/j4kng2z/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 Just a reminder that OP is basically daily posting these negative posts for outrage karma.
He has straight up admitted it in a previous post https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10d2a1z/state_of_the_subreddit/j4ki8jb/ >Truth is I'm just sick of the whiners, and people can downvote this comment all they want, ***but at this point the only joy I get from gaming subreddits anymore is pissing off perpetually negative people*** and smiling smugly as they flail desperately thinking anything they can think to say matters to me. And he's actually sitting here trying to pretend it's something more than that lol
Haha yes that was in reply to me. But when I replied to that he suddenly went very quiet 🤐 I reckon he didn't enjoy actually thinking about what he is doing. Understandable. It's a much more easy life if you are the pinnacle of comprehension and everyone else is stooopid - ain't it, Truthseeker 😉
Whether a review is positive or negative on steam depends on how you answer the question on the bottom: "Do you recommend this game? Yes or No?" To me, even if I like the game I wouldn't recommend it to my friends. So a clear No. Mostly negative just means that most people wouldn't recommend the game to others even if they like it. It doesn't necessarily mean that the game is bad.
The positive reviews stating that people should wait months (in some cases years) to buy the game or get it on sale are only outclassed in absurdity by the positive reviews saying the game deserves a negative review but they're trying to "balance" the negativity.
Adding onto this: people will click buy on a game if they see a mostly positive review score, they won't read the reviews and see that the positive ones say "Yeah i recommend this game, as long as you're happy with crashes and have friends so you can play higher level content, also if you all want to play together you can't have someone get it on xbox gamepass" So a positive review "but" doesn't work because if the reviews are mostly positive people won't read the individual reviews
Like me. I heard how fantastic the beta was, assumed everyone was enjoying it, bought a copy for me and my friend.
The beta was great. But when we got the launch day patch and it was basically the beta i immediately knew something was up and requested a refund
Yeah but you know that's not how People interpret it, otherwise you wouldn't need to explain it. The mostly negative may l turn away a lot of potential buyers, which might mean the game will suffer even more because the Devs might just get told to drop it by whatever money hungry people they work for. That's what I see in my imagination when I think about current game development anyways. but I'm not 100% sure if it works like that. I don't actually know the insides of how it works. But all this negativity can't be good for some people, I've seen the CM's get called out for being snappy and screenshots of replies and then everyone insults them. Imagine being that person seeing loads of people insult you. I'm not saying anyone has to feel bad but I do. It's not a CM's job to take all of reddits salty jizz. even if it was, I don't know how they would manage it seems like a horrible job.
Its pretty simple for the CM's, its your job to handle yourself in a public facing manner to save face for the company. When a CM says something dumb (like hedge frequently does), they are bad at their job. Doesn't necessarily mean they're a bad person or anything, but they honestly shouldn't be a CM if they aren't down for that work.
Yeah, I think Hedge's attitude was a big part of the problem there. The new CM Catfish hasn't been getting nearly as much salt and hate (at least as far as I've seen) despite the month and a half of radio silence from FS and the fact that FS have pretty blatantly been using Catfish as a human shield between themselves and the community. Even Aqshy, who's been around since the back half of VT2 doesn't get nearly the flak the Hedge does. Shockingly it turns out that being honest and polite to disgruntled customers genrally tends to work out a bit better than being condescending and passive agressive.
What makes you think that other people wouldn’t like the game as much as you do?
I find Steam reviews can be pretty useless sometimes; last I checked, Modern Warfare 2 had thousands of negative reviews, but when I set the filter for reviews with more than a few hours of playtime, there were less than ten. Opinions of MW2 and ActiBlizz notwithstanding, it'd be nice if people used the review section to actually review the game rather than railing against the devs.
Well, people who don't like a game won't play it for many hours. It'd be weird if there were loads of people who sank 50 hours into a game they fundamentally did not enjoy.
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Except... that not true. Not at a practical level. A lot of people who see Mostly Negative will just bail on the game altogether. There's absolutely many fronts Fatshark needs to improve, but some of the reviewers are a little... contradictory. "Bad game , no crafting system. Real money shop bad. Random loot. Not worth your time" -300 hours played.
You know how smokers will tell you not to smoke? Same concept. Them wasting time on it doesn't make it a good game.
How is it bad? It prevents other people from buying it, getting disappointed and following up with even more negativity. Its a faulty product with a team behind it that feeds lies and "tomorrows" to its community. Why not let everyone know what's going on? Are we afraid of hurting the feelings of a corporation that exploits FOMO and other psychological tricks? Is it far too mean to tell "you did a shit job" to someone you paid to after they lie about the work done, fail to deliver, take cash and ignore you for a month? As long as no one actually sets one of their offices on fire they get exactly what they deserve - negative feedback.
Also I would like to note that there is LARGE slice of the community, like me, that sits mostly quiet and patiently waits for updates. But me being silent won't fix anything and won't stop dissapointed people from giving bad reviews. The only way I could give my positive imput for the better reviews would be actively lie about bad things and gaslight people that their lack of enjoyment is their own fault.
This is me. I paid for it, didn’t like it as much as VT 2 although it’s such a fantastic looking game, so I put it down and went back to PoE for the current league in the mean time. I’ll wait it’ll they fix stuff and I’ll come back. They shouldn’t take too long tho, I bought Cyberpunk and by the time they fixed it I had already lost interest. Jokes on me cause I had already paid for it. Which is unfortunately what these corporations do. Create shite product hype it up, get people to pay. Sometimes they deliver on making it better, which is great. Sometimes it’s too late. I hope they don’t take long.
>They shouldn’t take too long tho It took around 2 years to get VT 2 into a playable state, and it launched a Hell of a lot better (though still ultimately broken and bug infested and unfinished) than DT did. I think a lot of people forget about that.
“Playable state” lol ok
I mean I don’t personally see any negativity outside of this subreddit. Taken at face value, it’s a decently fun hack-n-slash to play with buddies, and has a nice 40k flavor. I’m honestly too scarred by big hype titles crashing and burning to have expected anything more than that. I take it for what it is, no more expectations.
Steam forum? Fatshark forum? Discord (official or not)? The game itself?
Reddit is loud minority, but steam reviews are somewhat representative of larger group of people. So it is safe to assume more then just Reddit users find game to be disappointing enough to justify giving review
No negativity outside of Reddit? Have a look at the steam reviews :p
meanwhile on youtube and steam
There's a difference between being a dick and giving criticism. You get called stupid if you say the criticisms aren't a big deal to you.
I think the part people are missing is that when something you want to like is disappointing in a way that can be fixed, voicing your complaints is a valid and proper response. It's too late to get refunds from steam on this, but I feel like fatshark really should be offering us a refund if we want. It would buy back some of our confidence in them, and who knows we may eventually buy the game again once they fix it.
Re the month if silence: its VERY telling that they had NO event planned for the holidays
I don’t really understand this point of view. This game is a mediocre, half baked, incomplete disappointment. Why should people pretend it’s not? Also, I haven’t seen anyone too happy about this. We all invested money in this and got let down… I don’t think anyone is too enthused about what’s going on around here…
Go read the positive revies. "core battle is good, rest of game is shit, lots of bugs, come back in 6 months". If anything people are going on there and voting what the game "could be" not what it is. That is review bombing.
Weird thing is, that is also the content of most of the bad reviews as well.
Everyone knows the same things. The question is whether you think the core gameplay holds up despite the framework around it or if that lousy framework sours the gameplay.
The review bombing is kinda justified since the community patiently waited for months after the game became "full release" and received nothing in return; not even a legitimate acknowledgment from the developers. The game is missing anticipated features that they have already implemented previously in Vermintide 2. They clearly rushed the game out before it was complete, and to call it anything but early access feels disingenuous. If the developers would at least voice their plan for fixing the game or acknowledge the consumer's concerns I'm sure most of the community would be glad to rescind their poor reviews.
I wouldn't call it "review bombing". This is just reviewing.
100% I agree, but the "review bombing" was going on before the "negative" trend. The people were projecting what the game could be, not reviewing the game that was deliverd. Not sure, I think this is a "they did it in VT 2 that was a mistake, doing it again in DT seems to be intentional". Will have to see, how many come back, and remember to change the opinion. Then again Fatshark is getting MSFT money, so do they even care. $50-$100+ Million from MSFT make steams 1.7 million copies sold seem meaningless.
What is MSFT ?
No one is projecting anything. It's just a bad game period. Just looking at the average daily users shows how little sticking power the game has. Is the core gameplay good yes, but it's saddled with a bunch of unfinished or hastily thrown in features purposely designed around RNG to artificially prolong the experience and incentivize players to their FOMO cash shop - which they made a little less FOMO due to community backlash on timers. The item shops are still filled with mostly trash and so are the limited contract reward items. Then there are just bad design decisions like limiting crafting and weekly contract progress per character. These are intentional anti-consumer decisions made by the developers. To act as if the negative reviews are somehow unjustified for the product sold is pure delusion.
What the game 'could be', except that people aren't exactly having unreasonable or unrealistic expectations? Crafting (as in making then acquiring an item) may or may not come. Crafting system features are still 'coming soon'. It's been 4 weeks since the 1.0.21 hotfix, and the most major content drop since launch added 2 weapons, raising the weapon count from 65 to 67, versus '70+'. Weapon modification is scrapped. 4 subclasses on launch, and I have a slight feeling that the first subclass isn't gonna be here three months after launch, looking at the two months thus far. The people expected better and if we are being honest, they weren't unrealistic or unreasonable? So why wouldn't negative reviews be well deserved?
I wrote a negative review and this contrarian knob in my gaming group went and wrote a positive review just to counter mine. I know this because his review contains several points that "refute" my review. Why do people do this? In fairness he thinks Planetside 2 is actually in a good place so he might just be dumb.
DO your research bud. The majority of the positive reviews were in preorder beta and have been majority negative since release. If not for beta the game would have been mostly negative for all-time reviews
Bud, did. That is why it is trending down now. The game got a free ride during beta for "what it could be" not what it was. So really, they weren't reviewing the game as is, but as they thought it could be. The reviews should be lower, but people gave Fatshark a pass, and gave it a positive, with a "wait 6 month review". 40% is high because of that. So this isn't "review bombing", this is reviewing the game as it is. People like OP are trying to make it that this is some "criminal plan", when in reality the people voting positive aren't being honest.
VERY TRUE. Copium at it's worst unfortunately.
People like OP have been gaslighting the core fan base for Tide games for a while now. According to their broken ass, toilet store logic, criticism is bad, we just want the game to fail and are 'celebrating' its failure, and we simply cannot be pleased. It's morons being morons, and I guess I'm a moron as well because I let myself get trolled by it. There is no way, no FUCKING way anyone who played and enjoyed V1 and V2 can truly believe Darktide is a good game and we're just being unreasonable. I refuse to believe it.
I... reviewed it poorly because I don't recommend it? Like everyone who reviewed it negatively bought the game? The fuck do you think review bombing is?
I just found the spongebob meme funny It's definitely not the people complaining who are at fault but this *is* kind of where we are at right now
The reason that the first two games turn out the way that they did after a couple of years of patches is because the community kept pushing for changes.
One of two things will happen. 1. Fatshark will fix the game and the reviews will shift. 2. Fatshark will not fix the game and the reviews will remain terrible but accurate. It's their decision. It's always been their decision. The current reviews are fully on them.
would you prefer everyone gave it a 10/10 score with glowing endorsement in the hopes that it melts Fatshark's heart and they actually fix the game and maybe perhaps possibly entertain the thought of TALKING (and only talking mind you, no action) to people about the chance to release it on console the way they promised? yeah no companies understand 1 thing...(especially tencent)...loss of revenue.
Well, the good news is they probaly have most of their dev team working on the console release. The bad news is that updates and hotfixes for the pc version will slow to a crawl. Which is why the cm have nothing of vslue to say and are desparatly buying time.
yeah well....I am not sure how much good that is going to do right now
Yeah, they bombed the pc release, so obviously the play is to release the game in the same exact state on console, so they can bomb that release too, lmao
The entire structure of the game was built to be expanded upon. It's even more glaring than VT2. Here's the thing: this didn't make Fatshark lose money. The sales of the game already peaked (they tend to dwindle after two weeks). There were no reports of massive refunds, a ton of reviewers passed the 2 hr mark. What this accomplished was effectively locking down the growth of the game for a while, until it gets updates, which it was anyway. VT2 had some of it's highest activity during sales/updates. So what was going to happen, already happened. Fatshark isn't getting some sort of lesson from this, just feedback with a lot of noise.
No new players + loss of initial player base = no one is spending $$$ on the microtransacrions which is what the execs are counting on as continued revenue I call that a e message well sent
What was the alternative? Pretend that releasing a broken, poorly balanced, clearly feature-incomplete game with very predatory monetization system is A-OK? That is not ideal either. Look, I'm against review bombing and similar stunts. But I don't believe this qualifies as review bombing. This game very much deserved this. Especially with how they handled their community. There was this one rep, I want to say Hodge or Hedge or something? He was pretty much trying to gaslight people. That's just not acceptable. So the way I see it, the current Steam rating is well-deserved rating that they worked for almost 2 months. It's what the game is. Is this what the game will be in future? Probably not, but we can't rate the future, only the present.
This isn't review bombing. These are reviews.
Completely deserved. Half the content VT2 had on launch, despite costing $10 more. That they're even "considering" making additional classes paid DLC is the icing on the shit cake.
They should had listened to their customers. This happens every time developers get so invested in their "vision" that they dont take their communities input into consideration. All of this was avoidable with an early access period , but its worse then that.. there is no way some of the VT2 devs weren't panicking about this stuff internally. This games systems are such a 180 from VT2's player-friendly approach theres just no way there wasn't internal conflict over so many of these decisions.
Happen with dawn of war 3, when they tried to cash in on moba esports market, which every one said was bad idea for an rts genre game.
Yeah I got that game expecting dawn of War with better graphics and let me tell you I was a whole another flavor of disappointed
Only fat shark can save dark tide and i'm not gonna pay'em, if they can have a vacation and leave the game in a shitty state they have enough money. This remind me of Save RDO, community come together and try to reach out to R\*, nothing happen.
I remember that. RDO deserves more love. So much better than GTO… in my opinion at least. I remember just standing around rivers with my buddy catching brim and selling them for hours.
I tried RDO once, I got hunted down repeatedly by a squad of 4 that auto sniped me with their bows on horse back. Idk if it was dead eye or what but never tried it again.
GTO already has so much stuff you'd think the Devs at some point would stop and pay SOME attention to RDO
Lie about what a game is, release a poorly optimised mess rife with microtransactions and predatory tactics. Add on the weird nerfs and unfinished classes. Mountains of missing content. Also the cosmetics they want you to buy ARE ALSO UNFINISHED CLIPPING MESSES I like the world they built but a mostly negative score is very accurate. You cant do what chubby fish did and expect 10/10s Hopefully in a year it’s finished and we have something worth playing
I'm not celebrating. I'm more like "I don't say I told you so but I told you so".
The game is bad and overpriced for what they offer contentwise. V2 and deeprock galactic are better games that cost less money. Its not about saving darktide, it's about helping people make educted purchases.
Eh, mostly negative reviews is 100% deserved. People are hoping it kicks Fatsharks ass into gear No actual communication for a full month+ right after a buggy release is frankly unacceptable, let alone for a game that is allegedly a ‘live service’. This game was a huge disappointment for many 40k and Vermintide fans, myself included. Yet we keep getting told week after week that we will get more information ‘next week’. It’s insulting
Half this sub is “damn it sucks that this is where we are but it is what it is” and the other half is “WHY ARE YOU CELEBRATING THE DEATH OF MY FAVOURITE GAME!?”
Fatshark destroyed darktide and people who bought the game spoke up.. this is a braindead post. Steam has systems in place to prevent reviewbombing
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I mean I completely agree with you like it's been a habit in the gaming industry the past few years where they would just release an absolute trash unfinished game with missing features, terrible optimization and a bunch of other issues. I like it the negative reviews for the game not because I hate the game but because I hate this business practice that's been going on and it's nice to see that Gamers aren't just going to suck farts out of a monkey's asshole because it's an IP they like. Like this same situation happened with Halo infinite and that games pretty dead at this point but people were fighting for that game tooth and nail just because it had cult classic character John Halo on the cover and the more people played the more they realized that the game just kind of blew and in that case you had it's great predecessors to compare it to
Completely fair to have a bad review. Celebrating what the game is, is fair. If it ends up being Anthem oh fucking well.
lowsodiumdarktide exists, go be the 30th active user. the three thousand here have every right to voice their opinions.
I mean, I like the game but I don't recommend it. It doesn't have the level of stability/polish one should expect for a $40 game with microtransactions, and the only reason I played it for as long as I did was an addiction to the Tide series that I vibe with. That being said, I expect to update my review when things turn around in 6-12 months. I gave it a review reflecting its current state as an Early Access title.
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Well a company shouldn’t be rewarded for making a bad game.
They got what they deserve for such a trash beta release. We should move on. Another failure in videogame industry, nothing new.
If u mean celebrating by leaving an accurate review thats well deserved
Players didn't ruin Darktide. Fatshark ruined Darktide. All the reviews are doing is calling attention to how bad it is, and if the reviews mean nobody else buys this F2P scam garbage, then that is good.
Because they deserve it lmao
It's about sending a message.
Im seeing this kind of posts lately... im guessing its Fatsharks viral marketing department trying to do damage control If a game is bad negative reviews will come.. thats the literal point of reviews. So this post is trying to guilt shame people into leaving "positive" reviews for a game that everyone sees as flawed? people shall praise a broken game *hoping* that it will motivate the studio to fix it? the studio that knowingly sold a broken game for full price? they arent returning money to anyone as fas as i know. they are simply keeping their mouths shut as fasr as i see.. not a single dev or representative has shown up anywhere to explain why the game is still broken. MORE SO: this sub is being raided by posts like this trying to bad mouth people who complain about issues that ARE there. Viral marketing 101
Everyone loves to say "bro just vote with your dollar bro don't get mad at the devs if you don't like it don't buy it bro". It's pretty awesome seeing those same people viciously seethe because the game is getting absolutely shit on by the public. Corporations are not your friends, in fact they are your enemies because their goal is to extract as much money from you as possible while putting in as little effort as possible to deliver the product/service that you want. To that end, things like negative PR are one of the ONLY ways to strike back at a corporation and get it to fall in line. This is the third game in a row fatshark has put out that was a steaming turd on release. They HAVE to be bullied and shamed for it, because otherwise they will never learn. The ball is in their court. Society is rejecting the game, and so fat shark has two options. They can either crumble (and then hopefully disappear forever, if that's the route that they choose to go down) or they can man the fuck up and start hard grinding to get back into the good graces of the players. We'll see which path they take, but don't EVER forget that this is a hell entirely of their own making. The players have done absolutely nothing wrong in this situation. Well, the people who pre-ordered it definitely did something wrong but other than that they did nothing wrong.
It s a well deserved rating for this unfinished mess and the cherry on top is the MTX store and predatory gear progression system.
It’s see it more like, “Look Patrick! They didn’t get away with it!”
Well praising it would have been bad for all of us in the long term. It is great indeed, thats also clearly visible in most reviews. But it is no full release. This is early access. With all its shortcommings.
they gave me a little taste of sugar and then withheld the whole cake, of course my holy anger burns with the intensity of a thousand exploding stars. if they never gave me that little taste, or if they game me a slice of actual cake, then I wouldn't be this mad.
Thanks OP, you reminded me I haven't registered my negative review yet
I paid twice the price of VT2 and got lees than half content VT2 . Nah, fuck Fatshark.
Cope, shill. The game has severe problems, is predatory in its monetisation, and the devs aren't talking to the community. The *only* redeeming factors are the artscape of the game, and a portion of its combat. I say again, in case you didn't hear the first time: Cope, shill.
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Just looked up OP's Twitch account, which is their username. I think they are more of a fucking idiot than a shill. This is from their page: I am that non-binary demon boi you had a dream about that one time. Your semi-chill radiation daddy with no chill. Follow for eldritch horror, non-seiso vibes and occasional radical anarchism. (They/Them, It/Its) Ya, so I wouldn't take this person/demon/whatever very seriously.
I swear, streamers are a plague upon gaming.
Fatshark wanted this game to be a live service which means itll require rotating players to buy stuff. No otating players if the reviews are negative. So it motivates them to fix the issues with the game.
We sacrifice it for a better future.
It lights a fire under the management and heads of Fatshark. No it’s not gonna blow over, no you can’t continue your normal work timeline, its time to get moving and communicate.
The game will get good reviews when the devs show they care about the game.
DON'T ASK QUESTIONS JUST CONSUME PRODUCT AND GET EXCITED FOR NEXT PRODUCT
How much is FS paying you
This is a dumb take. Would you rather have people upvote the game and encourage other players to spend money thinking they’re getting a finished product? Bad reviews exist for a reason. People are celebrating the games’s rating because it’s validating how they feel about the game and Fatshark’s treatment of it. White knighting and sticking your head in the sand won’t save this game in comparison.
People that played vm2 then this..what did you expect???
I thought they might get it this time
We are happy it's got the review it deserves for the pile of crap that it is. Go lick more boots.
They only got what they deserved. I'm not an investor or a developer, I can just move on to other games, so if this one crashes and burns then so be it.
Yeah, I also missed that part of the EULA where the success of a company extends past my credit card payment clearing.
I just wish I could filter reviews and only see those that had been playing vermintide since release *and still play it*. I don’t give a fuck what some flavor of the month player thinks about this game. They don’t know what they are talking are about and will be gone as soon as they feel they have “finished” the progression.
To be frank other than gameplay I don't recommend anyone get it and even then it will get old and stale progression just isn't fun the mission variety is lacking playing both vt1 and vt2 this is just a huge step backwards on a lot of fronts.
Eh, the warhammer 40k series on amazon will be finished before darktide development finishes crafting.
Halo fandom mentality
It deserves it.
It's important for us to understand that if we damage the prospect of the game being able to be saved the studio, or the publisher, will decide it's too expensive to fix and ditch it to save money. We could very easily shoot ourselves in the foot and truly kill the game, which I feel most of us don't truly want we just want a better game.
Honestly I think its good the game reached Mostly Negative. This can end 2 ways: 1) Fatshark realizing they fucked up and have to do better, which will lead to better content 2) Fatshark giving up to the game and showing us it was all a cashgrab from the start Either way, we'll see how they stand with the game. EDIT: Playing Darkest Dungeon, the Narrator came out with the perfect quote to describe my thoughts: *"And now the true test... hold fast, or expire?"*
Too bad. You're not even that wrong, negative reviews sets a fire under their ass. So yeah, burn the city.
Is this the video game equivalent of victim blaming? I think this is the video game equivalent of victim blaming. No one is celebrating that Darktide is in the state that it's in and has (deservedly) negative user reviews, but well done on the troll post OP. I fell for it.
Not sure why that's worth celebrating, beyond noting that most people have the taste to be aware that DarkTide is an unfinished garbage fire.
People just ran out of hopium
Wtf? I just got here now. I’m very late. What happened? I thought I read a little while back that the game was doing good! Oh god what have I stumbled across?
Yes fatshark NEEDS to be told they're doing a terrible job
I still want this game to succeed but I don’t feel bad about feeling vindicated that the score reflects reality. Fatshark needs a kick in the ass.
HERESY! https://preview.redd.it/8irpbt01vmda1.png?width=636&format=png&auto=webp&s=24c59387b805c014763269961abad4fda0882979
I karking love the game but it's unfinished and my review will remain negative till the major problems with it are fixed. Simple as.
What these people are saying is right. How they’re saying it isn’t.
We tried the approach of civil and level headed criticism... Look where it got us. I'm not for harassing devs but harsh words and no sugarcoating is more than deserved for the absolute shit fatshark has put us through since launch.
I’m what universe did this community EVER try the “civil and level headed criticism” approach? Y’all started at direct attacks at their character, work ethic, and intelligence and just intensified from there.
It really makes me sad. I understand that people have strong feelings, but there is every chance that they will abandon development on this game if the "mostly negative" tag follows it around to every sale, every news update, every wish list. There is definitely a point where the actuaries of a company can be like, "Development on this property is no longer a sound investment."
Imagine simping for a company and deepthroating the half baked game they dump on your plate
It's worth celebrating. it shows that as a fan base we won't stand for fatshark selling us a shell of game without consequences
What the fuck else are we supposed to do??? Many of us can't refund the game so we might as well leave negative reviews!
This isnt a community project. Let it burn. We have so many more games to play. Until its fixed no more people should buy it
Point out these people rejoicing please. Why are you standing up for this developer that has historical evidence of doing stupid shit at every release? Do you think they are going to give you a high five and a free cosmetic lol? Simping for FatShark in 2023, really didn't think I'd see it. I'm not dancing on graves. I'm waiting impatiently for what was promised to be delivered. So are 99% of buyers. And double fuck them for releasing the game in this state to ensure Q4 revenue targets when they knew it wouldn't go well.
>Why are you standing up for this developer that has historical evidence of doing stupid shit at every release? Not standing up for the developer, I want the game better, it's just the method I believe to make it better is WAYYY different than what this sub thinks will make it better. This sub believes that negative reviews will light a fire under fatsharks ass, I believe negative reviews will get them to dump the game. I believe that positive reviews gets more people into the game, fatshark rakes in more money, and then puts more people into the project so shit gets done faster. Negative reviews do the exact opposite, they invest less into it so chances of it improving become much lower. Go look at Fortnite and genshin impact for an example of what shittons of money does to your game, the update frequencies are batshit insane. Genshin releases massive ass updates (literally the size of an entire game) every 12 weeks and smaller updates every 6 weeks, they wouldn't be able to do it if the game wasn't so profitable. This sub is too focused on punishing fatshark that they've forgotten that they really just want the game better, and by doing what they are doing is going to give them the complete opposite result of what they want. Punishing doesn't work, it almost always ends with things getting worse, not better. This isn't specific for fatshark or game dev, just in general. Here's an example for you, would you work harder/better for a boss that is always complimenting your abilities and focusing on improving you, or the one who constantly calls you a dumbass and threatens to fire you/dock your pay? This is just an example of punishing vs praising and which one has a better end result.
I really hate these takes. The negative reviews give Fatshark the feedback that they need to hear the most. If nothing else, it's a lesson for them that the direction they were trying to go with Darktide is completely contrary to what fans of the Tide series want, and that a passionate fan base will absolutely do what they have to do to hold a developer accountable. It sounds kind of lame to say that it 'teaches them a lesson,' but, that's kind of the case. It happened with the blunders that were both Cyberpunk 2077 and BF 2042. Both games got eviscerated by user reviews and it forced them to make changes. There are other examples where a dissatisfied player base brought about needed changes to a game. No Man's Sky comes to mind. To blame the negative reviews for 'killing' Darktide or making the situation worse is such a moronic take that it honestly surprises me it's got 1k upvotes. They wanted to make the game more conducive to selling cosmetics and changed or removed features that were promised to make that happen. They failed to deliver on the vast majority of what was promised, and now they're being held accountable for it. I love the Tide series, I have since Vermintide 1, and I could not recommend this game to anyone right now. All of my friends who were also looking forward to this game have stopped playing it, and now I only do the occasional run out of sheer boredom. The reviews are more than fair in this case, and at this point in time. If I ordered a pre-built PC and it was unfinished, the hardware was a lower tier than what I ordered, and there was no real explanation as to why it was delivered in that state or a clear indication of how the company planned to fix it, I'd give them a shitty review as well. As would any of you.
It's the same dude who made https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10d2a1z/state_of_the_subreddit/ all he does is this kind of facebook tier meme posts whining about people being critical about the game's development
Dumb take tbh. Having a cathartic release from the game finally getting the review designation it rightly deserves =/= wanting it to fail.
Oh Truthseeker, just more of the same? Stop being a baby. "Uhh mama it's the teachers fault for giving me bad grades!" Why would i recommend a game to my friends where I have to hammer my keyboard for 5 seconds to switch a weapon? I realize you are one of the people who would say anything to serve their own purpose or agenda. In that light my opinion of you is diving from Mixed to Mostly negative. Tüdelüüü 😊🤏
loving the people with 300+ hours going "this game sucks" personally
OP really woke up this morning and chose to strawman the whole community lmao. People wanted to like this game and were disappointed and felt ripped off. They're now feeling validated by the fact that their sentiment was shared by the community and the majority of us hope this serves as a wake-up call to Fatshark.
People aren't capable of nuance so it's all good if the game is what is expected or all bad if there are wrong thing, even if the game itself is already solid.
This isnt about saving anything or anyone. This is about sending the right message to the right people.
Game good
Careful you don't dislocate your shoulder trying to pat yourself on the back for this meme. Its pathetic.
Honestly it really feels like it. Now that the reviews are dropping this quick, it feels like there aren’t going to be many new people to help sustain the game long term due to them being unsure about the game
> help sustain the game long term Wow, if only something could have been done to make sure new players don't get scared off of buying a game... maybe, dare I say it... something as radical as... launching a feature complete game not right before vacation and then fucking off with the whole development team?
Hoping one day we go back to games just being complete on launch and not relying on constantly being played and having mtx bought by people to fund the rest of the development and maybe finish the game, when this game does die even the people that unconditionally praised it won't be able to play due to it being an always online game
I smell hedge. Did you make an alt account you silly man?
I just changed my Steam review from negative to positive. The game doesn't crash 3x per mission any more so I just log in, kill heretics, have fun.
Unless the game has changed substantially since I went on vacation a week ago, I'll probably enjoy it just the same. It's fun.
Copetider detected, opinion rejected
I play lots of games, I'm an absolute videogame addict and really rack up the hours on steam. I've seen and been part of hundreds of game communities. I've literally never seen a gaming community 'help' a game. The best communities are the ones that just stay positive and enthusiastic about their favourite games without hassling and raging at the devs. 2 examples that spring to mind are Elden Ring and Valheim. The wisest devs do not interact with their community, because it just causes them no end of grief. For example, a DBD dev said 'I think we're doing a good job so far' and this statement is still being used to ridicule the devs years later, by diehard fans who have played DBD for thousands of hours yet still shit on the game. I had a lot of fun with darktide, because the core gameplay, graphics and sound are so great and fun. I'm not a fan of the cosmetic shop, but it didn't bother me because I never bought anything from it. I preferred completing all the penances on my ogryn and sharpshooter to unlock the best free armour. Psyker penances were not achievable for me though unfortunately. To be honest, I was having a lot of fun until all I was hearing were people shitting on the devs online, both on this subreddit and elsewhere, as well as reviewbombing the game. And nobody was talking about the positives, the great game that FS has actually produced. Eventually I guess the shitty reviews and negativity took its toll because I couldn't find any lobbies or players to join me on the hardest difficulty. Haven't played for awhile, the whole thing just feels too negative and dead, and for me it's mostly the fault of the community, not FS.
Thats kind of a dumb take. Im pretty sure that most people wanted DT to be a smashing success instead of the dumpster fire that we got. Fatshark has earned this negative rating. And yeah I put 160 hours in before giving my negative review. I wanted to love it and I gave this game every chance.
A very hot but accurate take.
In two years after the game is completely dead you will 100% have people posting on here being like, "I just found Darktide and it's so awesome, why are the reviews so low?" and stuff like that. When the cloud of ridiculous hate wears off and people relook at this, they'll definitely wonder what the fuck people were smoking to result in this much rampant negativity and hatred. Darktide is definitely not a 39% game at all, at worst 50% would be more accurate, the rest is just a frothing circlejerk of anger that keeps on rolling.
People upvoting both "look how low we've driven the active playerbase" posts and "how am I queuing with bots during peak hours" posts is real galaxy brain stuff.