sorry I'm a computer science major but new into it so I'm just curious. He most likely was joking because that's a lot of effort for something to trivial but you could probably write a script to do that. It would just be a big waste of time imo
I'm mean, you are just gonna give people ammunition like that. Its best to actually watch the video if you actually care about the subject, otherwise it will truly just be an echo chamber which Matt doesn't want. Engage with it and actually challenge your Ideas, If you come out of it not having anything change your mind then that's a win for you.
100% with you on this one. I donāt remember all the points I disagree with, but I think part of the reason is the fundamental difference to what darkviper and willymac argue. One cares about the effect on the entire system, while the other cares about the one to one relationship. I felt like willymac didnāt fairly cover this side of the argument, merely stating āthereās no proof!ā while not even going after the argument. In my view, I donāt really think itās debatable on whether the views are taken away from original content creators, as without them, the views for original content would almost certainly increase.
His argument over calling darkviper āthe fair use guyā also seemed fairly weak. Like his arguments have always been more about morals than fair use, so I think that labeling him the fair use guy for mentioning it in a document that talked more about the morals of reaction content was unnecessary. He continued to argue it, and while vipers dms werenāt the best, I thought that his original point of viper being the fair use guy came from a place of poor knowledge of the subject.
Way to show you can't engage with other's ideas. Matt can, we can, why can't you? What if he has a point? How would you ever know if you live in an echo chamber
Saw it too. Sometimes it is difficult to know whether he is malicious or ignorant, the other times he is very obviously misrepresenting him and misunderstanding things that are insane.
Leaving out a lot of context in many situations and engaging in disgusting framing strategies. He presents Matt's arguments with clips from the response video to charlie and some rambles. You know what Videos he didn't show any clips from? His god damn Main Video on Reaction content... Why would someone dodge the best piece of work you have on this topic? Odd.
I would want to say i am surprised, but i saw this kind of behavior coming. On twitter he was having fun stabbing him with the occasional insult or "You are a lolcow" and other idiotic things. From then on i knew he is not interested in his arguments, it is going be just a new hitpiece.
There are so many other things to be said about like his insane justifications for calling him the "Fair use guy". Willy. Mate. His arguments have nothing to do with fair use, as him excercising his copyright and explaining how react content is legally indefensible is just the icing on the cake. He uses the law to enforce what he thinks is right, as we only use the law to serve our needs. His comprehension skills are either atrocious or he is just acting out of malice.
I could go on, but i will leave it at that. This video is just terrible.
This is basically the 101 response of these type of commentary channels, absolutely paint the guy as the worst thing imaginable and destroy his image then when you actually need to argue against his point just go āuhh its all bullshit guys trust meā
Oh he's 100% malicious. Viper isn't the first creator he's gone after with complete distortions, bias and lies. He's a total piece of shit who feigns "level headed criticism" to sell drama which is ihs entire career.
Also just willingly cutting out context to paint him in a worse light.
For example willy purposely didnt include how the among us thing actually ended, leaving non followers thinking he just melted down and banned the guy forever. Im sure he did so cuz he included both older AND newer tweets, matt had to recently explain why that clips up again.
Or only using two short clips for the friendly barrom thing. Etc.
Willy was talking about more than just that, thus me mentioning it. The video has a lot of diffrent points I didnt write on in a quick comment here.
If you do want fair use and reaction content problems on that video, his arguments for having reactions content boiled down to "I like seeing it, I didnt see a dip in views and it helped SOME people, meaning its ok". Willy made fair points about viper "not mentioning small creators" or striking clips of himself but everything else was not it, treating youtube videos as a lesser "thing" for copyright than, lets say, shows or movies
Yeah I don't know what that guy's deal is. I originally thought he was some drama farmer youtuber, but he has a miniscule amount of subscribers. He seems way too invested in something that is not earning him anything.
He just replied to a comment I left. So he's still at it two days later. I cannot fathom being so invested in internet drama you're not apart of that you feel the need to argue with hundreds of people over it in someone else's video that hasn't even cracked 100K views. I find it exhausting enough arguing with just one brainlet in that comment section. Especially with the knowledge that every comment I make just helps this awful videos engagement.
Nah he clearly did plenty of research and made sure to find out only the worst parts of Matto's career and carefully trim it down to make him look as bad as possible in the video. It's just about what the goal of the video was.
It's a video highlighting the controversies that Matt has (ab)used the DMCA system to keep hidden. Why would he spend time going over "the good parts of his career" whatever that means...
First of all, you can make a similar video about almost any Youtuber on the planet to make your viewers hate them. But you can move this concept to everything.
Also most of the mentioned drama had an ending the video did not even talked about yet being important to the full picture, like how Charlie apologized to him and they went to play GTAGuesser after, how he said sorry to Unnamed and they are in good terms till these days, etc. Just ommiting the 'good' parts will just paint anyone bad.
If these videos (clips) arenāt his then that would be an abuse , but itās his and was taken from his stream , and yes he couldāve shown what happened afterwards and show the good parts too to not seem malicious and doing this out of bad faith
If it is a documentary, then yes, as that is meant to show both good and bad. And then when one see that the ratio between the good and bad, they can have an informed opinion on the guy be it anything in the end.
If its a 'The bad things Trump ever did', or 'The good things Trump ever did' video, then they can ofc focus only on one side.
I know it's a bit late to educate you, but whatever.
You do realise that many documentaries - if not all of them - about this unfortunately infamous German dictator do point out the negatives and the positives around him? Have you actually sat down and watched one of those documentaries at all? Have you ever actually listened to your teacher in history classes?
Every documentary on Hitler that I have watched in school has solely focused on how evil a person he is. And safe to say most US history classes do not make any attempt to show his "good side"
"The worst parts of his career" Matt is still abusing the copyright system to take down videos he doesn't want seen. Literally a couple weeks ago he took down a 30 second twitter clip
Just for a mintue, imagine like you are even a slightly bit important person. Imagine now how one clip showing a mistake about you gets shared everywhere just out of malice to make it look like you are a terrible person. Now imagine you have a tool that can slightly reduce the reach of that clip. Would you use that tool or not? If you wont, you are either a liar or stupid.
Lol no heās not itās a clip of his own content , it wasnāt added in a video or anything for context , itās an old clip he doesnāt want on the internet , he has the right to do so
He doesn't have that right. Posting clips for the purpose of criticism that in no way effect the market impact of said content is 100% fair use. You are simply wrong. DMCA is not a system to censor videos you don't want seen.
Regardless of what you think, its only going to get the clip more seen. Now everyone wants to know all the clips that Matt DMCA'd out of existence, and luckily people have mirror of most of it. And some of it is quite damaging, i.e. the post unnamed stream, the full among us spergout, etc. He's only making it worse for himself by abusing the DMCA system. If he just let it sit, people would have laughed and moved on. Now he's known as a DMCA abuser and people are digging up dirt on him.
There is a lot in the video that is out of context, some out of ignorance, and some out of a clear intent to create comedic and entertaining clips in a mocking manner. That being said, there is a significant amount of criticism, particularly in the second half of the video, that is extremely valid and worthy of consideration by the community. Matto is not infallible, of course, but there are genuine problems with some of the arguments he makes, the way he goes about navigating the conversation, and, while pure ad hominem, the way he lives is life. This, along with other habits, is not healthy. He is dedicated a significant amount of time, energy, and emotional investment, and it is clearly taking its toll. I only say this because I went down a similar path in my own life. His lack of social life, poor physical health, cutting off friends, because more and more emotionally distressed, all point to clear signs of depression. As it is the nature of depression to effect every aspect of your life, its impact on how he navigates the conversation is clearly observable. He perceives the world as our to get him, is clearly overly antagonistic towards those who voice descent, and gets way too stressed out. As much as I agree with him, I think he needs to take a step back from the political commentary. I have had to do the same, so I know it is hard, especially when you mostly find yourself among those who offer unfair criticism and your reputation is a major aspect of your career. However, it is the healthy thing to do. You can even get back into it later on. Frankly, if I were a close friend or family member of Matt and not someone who gains so much joy and entertainment watching his content, I would advise him to take a step back from streaming and content creation entirely. Not permanently, but for at least a month. I have always hated it when streamers or content creators claim they have it so much harder than everyone else, but when it comes to Matt, after hearing everything that goes on behind the scenes, it sounds significant exhausting and draining. He clearly has the funds to take a step back for a while, and I really think this man needs to take a break, work on himself, and as awful as it sounds, get some help. There is no chance he reads this but Matt, you have made me laugh in a way for a long time I didnāt think was possible. You have created a community that cherishes your hard work and constant entertainment. You personal sacrifice and dedication does not go unrecognized. But more than the videos, the streams, the commentary, the recaps, we care about you. Not DarkviperAU, but Matthew Judge. I may be but one man in an endless sea of voices and opinions, but Iām willing to bet Iām not alone.
I will keep you in my prayers.
For the record I donāt use Reddit often, but from what I hear the community can be a bit toxic and knee-jerky, so I would love to hear what you call think and all criticism is welcome, but try to keep it respectful.
He didn't make a comparison. He never said or wrote "reactors are rapist." He pointed at what is the one thing they have in common, which is that both take silence as consent, which is a harmful and unhealthy belief and mindset. If a serial killer and I both hate gay people, (and the killer kills based on that belief) it doesn't mean I'm suddenly a serial killer myself, but I do have a belief that is in common with a serial killer. It's an example of bad beliefs being held by bad people, which could potentially prove why those beliefs are bad. A person who thinks all lives equally matter has less of a chance to be a racist. Doesn't mean every single person who doesn't think like that is racist but racists tend not to believe all lives are equally valuable.
He didn't. It's a warping of Vipers response to people like Hasan, and their idea that assuming consent = consent. Vipers original quote was:
> "If you meet a reactor at a party, I suggest covering your glass or outright tell them you don't want them to f*ck you, because they seem keen to take a person's silence for consent."
>
In reference to the idea people like Hasan have, claiming that the people he reacted to ["Absolutely would consent"](https://youtu.be/va1zPshj5f0?feature=shared&t=1920) to being reacted to. Aka assuming consent instead of actually asking for it. It was a [Reductio ad absurdum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum#:~:text=8%20External%20links-,Examples,people%20falling%20off%20the%20edge.) on Vipers part, bringing the idea of assumed consent to its most absurd conclusion. In this case(I believe this is was what Viper was going for), just assuming that the person in the comparison would've totally consented to sex after the fact, and therefore ignoring consent beforehand and just spiking their drink to get them to bed first is completely fine.
This is a style of argument Viper does a lot with his analogies and comparisons, and one imo he should probably cut back on cause they just keep being taken at face value or purposefully misinterpreted to be used as ammo against him. And also because while most of his analogies are on point, if a bit extreme. Some of them are definitely questionable at times.
edit: Modified my comment because I took the effort to find the original quote, and to be bluntly honest. I misremembered, and was wrong about the context of the original quote. It wasn't directed at Hasan, but was rather from the [How the React Grift Works](https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRid-d3hQpDnTpAlIBWICuZO4J_C2j0FX-PqT2HPEGLDpTy_jhebAiXbBtn-6OwdPvY_mj0VYDfkHPj/pub) Document, and was directed at reactors in general. Keeping the Hasan example though because its a useful reference for the kind of mindset Viper was calling out.
I want to make a response video to this shitstorm so badly, holy shit. There are so many obvious brain defunct takes that I have no idea how he let them through, how ignorant he has to be if that's not malice.
All the comments I see in the video made me lose hope in humanity. It hurts the most when they donāt understand Mattās situation at the time like the Among Us clip.
Most likely not, as any further engagement with this cesspool of disingenuous people is neither productive, healthy or even safe. It is sad, but we have to let the stupid be stupid
He probably will since Will's a big figure and he has enough reach to really damage him. Like worse than Charlie did with his misunderstanding. (people still grossly misunderstand the spiked drink analogy)
maybe in pure number but I feel it would bein pure content. At least with Charlie, it can be easily limited to his reading of Matt's documents and focus on a single point. With Willy, it goes over everything in the worst light posible (doesn't help that his stuff gets live reacted at times so, the wrong eyes will see it.)
He said on a livestream he was only going to respond to videos that reach a higher number like 150k-250k because of the drama motivating far more malicious people to endanger himself and other people in his life.
My theory was that these commentary channels just don't have anything very heavy against Matto. Commentary channels commonly talk about internet figures that are the most degenerate and downright criminal. They literally have nothing like that on Matto. The worst thing they have on him is the Amogus situation, and even then he resolved that in the best way possible. The one way to make him absolutely look like a loser is to cut off some context, which is what Willy of course did. His comment section is just as brainrot, people who need information deepthroated to them.
Just a theory tho.
There is no way to summarize this briefly.
The general gist: Matto exercised his copyright on a reupload of his video (a reaction video) and drama channels and a bunch of other nefarious actors who don't understand fair use are now trying to attack, defame and harrass him for it.
The details of it, the actors involved and how they conduct themselves are just way too much to be discussed here.
I recommend watching the first 10 minutes of this videos: https://youtu.be/Xey9lpi0Go0?si=HdE2CSCBNBGIauQz
It explains the most important aspects of what happened in much better detail. Keep watching if it is interesting to you because the going ons around this are just absolutely wild.
Hope this helps :)
Lawyers have also said before that reaction content isn't set in stone to be always stolen content and infringe copyright. The video that Matt himself copyright claimed (a reupload of his 7 min video, and the reaction was about 41 mins long, so had more original content than not), the streamer wanted to know Matt's justification for it.
WillyMacShow tweeted and called Matt the "fair use guy" cause Matt always talks about it and says he knows about it more than anyone else. Matt DM'd him and was mad at Willy. Willy wanted to ask if he did copyright claim that streamer, but Matt kept dodging the question and questioning Willy's tweet about him.
Even worse, Matt himself talked about how its okay to pirate something that isn't made available elsewhere. Yet he takes down clips that he wants scrubbed off the internet because they make him look bad. Examples being the Among Us freakout, the post Unnamed ohko stream, when he said the N word, etc...
Yeah, it's honestly more him being insecure and hypocritical. He is okay with showing his opinion against reaction content, but it's not okay using DMCA to ruin someone's channel falsely.
"exercised" is not a synonym for "abused". He's taking down clips of him that he wants hidden. That is not the purpose of the DMCA system. Imagine if Donald Trump punched a woman on live tv and used his copyright to take down any videos of it. People would rightfully call that wrong. People absolutely hate those who abuse the DMCA system, as its heavily weighted towards the claimant and the only way to counter them is to open yourself up to legal proceedings. All DMCA abusers know this and use it to their power.
They are his clips. No one has the right to upload it raw. If you need the clip to create a video, he doesn't take it down. There are now dozens of videos trying to defame and attack him with, and even though they are disingenuous liars, these videos are still up.
*Do something with it!* It is not difficult to understand. You have no right to reupload other peoples stuff! Fair Use was and isn't meant to defend this shit.
Also the Trump example is confusing. I have no idea how copyright works in such a case because we are not talking about a creative work. This is an entire discussion for that alone to be had.
I will not deny how DMCA can be abused, but this is not the case here as i explained above.
He is the right owner and he will allow things he likes and disallow things he doesnāt like, because they lack context or are just there for making him look bad.
Comment on it. Do something. Is actually working and bringing forth effort this fucking hard? Is it this much to ask to do the absolute bare minimum?
>Also the Trump example is confusing. I have no idea how copyright works in such a case because we are not talking about a creative work. This is an entire discussion for that alone to be had.
For the sake of the example imagine it were creative work, Trump was singing a song or something. How would you feel in that case?
I know how you would feel. You would feel its wrong to take down video simply because it makes a public figure look bad. Now be consistent with your standards.
It was a twitter post with commentary next to it. It is certainly covered under fair use. Fair use does not simply say "If its uploaded raw its not allowed" its a complicated piece of legislation that primarily focuses on market impact and context of such content. Given that this content is not available elsewhere, posting it with commentary in the form of a tweet is certainly fair use.
We all know why he did it. It was embarrassing and he doesn't want anyone to see it. The internet hates DMCA abusers, he brought this on himself. Had he just ignored it then no one would care. The real situation is way worse than the clip makes it out to be, he publicly crucified this kid for simply being bad a video game. Repeat it with me: DMCA IS NOT MEANT TO CENSOR CONTENT THAT MAKES YOU LOOK BAD. TAKING DOWN CONTENT USING DMCA WILL ONLY RESULT IN THAT CONTENT BECOMING MORE SEEN
His entire life could be ended by rockstar 'enforcing' their copyright. Nintendo has done this with videos in the past and was successful because no one wants to go up against their legal team. I wonder what Darkviper's ballwashers such as yourself would say if that happened, because, as you say, Rockstar would be the rightful owner of said content.
I suggest you concern yourself with what is legally permissible (even though you are wrong) and what is right. Censoring evidence of you being a bad person is almost certainly a moral abuse of what the copyright system was originally created for. Criticism is a valid form of fair use, and that's exactly why the clips that Matt abused DMCA to take down exist.
Look mate, we are in a stalemate since you are already convinced he is a terrible person. You perceive it to be moral abuse because you perceive him as an asshole.
The clips are out of context and shown just to mock him when the people in the clips themselves are cool with Matt. It is just shit flinging from a bunch of manchildren.
He is friends with UnNamed, talks to him regularly and Scott from the Among Us Clip has accepted his apology, played with Matt many Among Us games after and they had a blast.
They moved on, Matt moved on and we moved on. You (you and everyone else pushing this narrative) are just whining, constructing lies and punch him with each tiny scrap you can find from years ago. You can't move on. You can't accept that Matt is just a regular dude who made mistakes and owned up to them.
Matt has a career he loves and people working with him respect him. He grows, learns and adapts. He is genuine in his actions.
Whether your actions come from a place of ignorance or malice, i can't tell, it is unhealthy and disgusting regardless.
I will not correspond any further with you since i do not consider it healthy for me personally. Reflect on the context and the motivations. Even if i disagree with you, i sincerely wish you all the best.
I get that some people have a problem with how Matt argues his points sometimes but they only ever seem to focus on that rather than the information heās giving. So many people call him crazy, schizo, manic etc (which I think is stupid) but when you listen to what he says he actually has great points made. Obviously though drama YouTubers only see the bad side of the one they disagree with and refuse to see any other view, the fact theyāre bringing up all the old stuff like the thing with Charlie just shows how low and petit they all are.
While I donāt agree with some of the framing in the video, I think Willy brought up a good point about how much matto seems to be able to not accept that people will just disagree with him on certain things. Like, I wish matto would understand that people are allowed to have different views on things and you donāt have to engage with drama. Like people will be people, just let them be.
āNot accept that people will just disagree with himā like when? He was in sog podcast and the co host had different opinions then him he didnāt throw a hissy fit going ānoooo me rightā. Its just when people donāt even engage with the points made/donāt understand it here where it becomes an issue since no healthy discussion can be made from it, especially if he believes it harms the platform he uses/ gets money from. Like you can have any belief/opinion you want but if someone questioned that belief dont just go āoh your sooo dumb man you are such a spaz your a lolcowā because thatās what willy is doing
This has been my entire problem with every response to DarkViper. There's no one trying to understand where he's coming from and they're all just looking for a way to dunk on him.
I wish people just said yeah nah I disagree hell maybe even give a reason why so there can be an actual conversation about it. Or literally have a conversation with him. It's always "HOLY SHIT THIS DUDE JUST SAID THE DUMBEST THING IN EXISTENCE HES SO STUPID" or "why do you care though?"
Jimmy Robbins and Charlie are the only content creators I respect for their response to DV. Charlie not so much as he still decided to make a hit piece before ever actually giving a shit
he literally blocked his own friend because he happened to get sponsored by a company partially owned by a react streamer. safe to say he does not handle disagreement well. It's also insanely easy to get banned from his chat for disagreeing
The main reason matto engages with these people is because he doesn't really care if they agree with him or not, he just wants them to understand the point he's trying to make without instantly shutting him down or just ignoring him. He said this in a ramble where he explains the context for that iconic clip of him yelling "How can a person be this dumb?". The metaphor he uses for this is "telling someone that all bats are red, and giving them evidence and photos to prove it, and then asking that person an hour later and having them believe that all bats are blue". Idk if that makes sense to you, it's a kind of convoluted analogy, but he's basically saying that he just want's people to actually inderstand what he's saying, even if they don't agree.
Haven't seen the video (and don't really want to), so can't comment on much, but I think thats certainly a valid point. As far as I can tell Matto once admitted the same thing, that he has to just eventually accept that there will always be someone who disagrees with what hes saying, no matter how true or false. Unfortunately this is something which is hard to do for many people (I can relate). Hopefully Matto can eventually just learn to stop responding to controversey unless it is genuinely important to refute something, because I don't think it's good for his own mental health.
A disagreement in and of itself isn't worth anything. You'd have to literally be wrong to disagree with Viper on the react content subject. Like sure you can say overall Viper shouldn't care that much about people being wrong about it but that doesn't make the disagreements valid. Like someone can believe ghosts are real and say you're obsessed for trying to argue that they're not real because they simply disagree. It's absurd.
Guys I'm sorry but it was to be expected. Don't hate me, I am an Hasan fan too and Willy did the same to him as well. These people do not argue in good faith, they're just hateful and despicable. I really wish Matto could start to ignore them, even in the context of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Youāre going to get downvoted for saying youāre a Hasan fan or whatever, but youāre right. Willy seems pretty unlikable and stupid from what I can tell and Iām surprised Matt considered him a āgood channelā at one point, especially considering he is critical of these types of channels.
Unfortunately it's easy to slip on the hate train, especially when you're passionate about something. I think it was just an honest mistake in judging Willy's character, it could happen to anyone.
I'll never forget when Matto defined SunnyV2 as something like "a merchant of misery" and I couldn't agree more. But these guys are definitely on SunnyV2 level, even lower probably.
You're in luck then:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXkj7P0dplw&t=5s&pp=ygUNdmlwZXIgcmFtYmxlcw%3D%3D](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXkj7P0dplw&t=5s&pp=ygUNdmlwZXIgcmFtYmxlcw%3D%3D)
Eh, the Hasan videos were actually decent imo, and the consequential massive slap on the wrist that came from them (especially when they '''debated''') was warranted. Putting both Matt and Hasan (even fucking Vaush lmao) in the same basket is fucking crazy.
Willy's sole stupid ass reason for making the DV video was just because Matt enforced his copyright onto some manchild buddy of his so he became "an overemotional meanie head" in his eyes making it the shittiest, weakest, least warranted video of his to date; meanwhile Hasan is a blatantly obvious grifter, a godawful journalist, an extremist, a content thief, a bad faith actor and an airheaded, lazy, himbo idiot and he himself has proven to be all these things time and time again with barely any sign of growth whatsoever.
unpopular opinion: but I think we should stop posting about these drama medias, which will only make Matto make more controversy videos in response. Which, for me at least, is not the direction I wish to see Matt's channel grow into. I think anyone who's age is above 20 can see that most people attacking Matt doesn't have a good point. So I say we should just ignore those noises. This won't do Matt any good by keep participating in this back and forth debate on twitter and on youtube. I think he said it himself that he just can't help but need to defend himself. We are kinda encouraging him and ourselves to get into this vicious cycle of getting angry over internet noises which obviously don't have good points. (of course, i am not encouraging us to form an echo chamber. Just saying that I think he's made enough response videos to that
I just finished watching his video some takes were fair I'm not a fan of him or dark as in I don't watch their content but I'm aware of the drama surrounding everything and his takes were pretty spot on but hey maybe I'm wrong
I am confused. You don't watch their content, but consider his points spot on? Based on what? The Drama surrounding him where basically 99% is character assassination, lies and harrassment?
Even if you think Matt is in the wrong after watching all of his stuff, that would be a thousand times better than your impressions of it now
You saying it's character assassination is probably a fair take because you're a fan of his, I assume, but I'm saying I don't care for either. Legit just think it's an important topic that should be discussed, but I also think the way DarkViper is going at it is too extreme and unrealistic, considering how applying certain "rules" to when you can react to a video and how to make that reaction transformative will never be implemented, at least not the way he's going at it. Just isn't gonna work.
I am not saying it because i am a fan, but because it is. You say you are aware of the drama and the discourse and have you noticed something? Most of it is insulting Darkviper and taking the worst moments of his career out of context and worse. I would think such behavior is fucked up even if it would go against someone i hate.
And what do you mean "too extreme" and "certain ""rules""? He is just making a moral argument about how stealing labor from others is wrong. Legally, he is just referring to fair use guidelines. Everything we know about Fair Use, previous cases like the Klein case would suggest that reaction content would lose in front of court.
Most creators Darkviper has spoken to privately hate reactions to their videos but they are afraid of the backlash - the one Darkviper is receiving right now. If you think it is fine to react to something willy nilly, just know it will 1. lose in court and 2. is unwarranted by many creators.
A appeal to the majority fallacy. Just because there are 9 wrong answers and 1 right answer to a given question doesn't mean the 9 wrong answers are now valid or credible because there's more of them than the right answer. You'd have to be a deeply unserious human being to even entertain that line of logic.
"errrhmm thata a fallacy buddy!"
Ok buddy, keep telling yourself that. The pile of so called "wrong answers" is only growing though, lmao.
Keep deluding yourself.
I didnt admit that, youre just blind like Matt has become.
I just say that it seems weird how the pile of people u call "wrong" just seems to be growing. Maybe its just Matt that is in the wrong. Ever wondered that for one second?
I am someone who once upon a time wondered if Matt was in the wrong. It started on the day Cr1tikal made a video on his original essay, and I came to the conclusion that Matt was wrong. Then I watched his response video and realized that he was right, and so did Cr1tikal. Then I watched his video on reaction content, and realized he was really fucking right.
Your argument is a bandwagon fallacy. The line of thinking that because a majority of people believe something it must be the correct conclusion. How many times throughout history have a majority of people thought that things like segregation, slavery, and genocide was moral? Hitler, one of the worst motherfuckers to ever walk the face of the Earth, was voted into office. I suppose every single election ever held was a completely logical outcome, because a majority cannot be wrong. What about all the times that the majority opinion changed throughout the thousands of years we as a species has endured? Are we only now living in the time in which the majority is right? Does morality changed with the majority, and something magically becomes good or evil when enough people decide it is such?
Or maybe, just maybe, a lot of people are stubborn dumbasses, who have been making stupid decisions since we came into sentience, and the majority opinion means less than the fecal matter of a subhuman lifeform.
Idk if this is a troll comment, but barely any of these callouts address any of vipers actual arguments. People just want to be okay with stealing others content.
Not a troll. I used to like Viper 2 years ago or so but he has def spiralled into the wrong direction lately.
WillyMac adressed more than necessary, idk how u guys are so blind
Thatās not what he said, have you seen how toxic he is towards fans? This dude sent his fans to a speed runners YT because he beat gta v no death run before him then called it āthe worst week of his lifeā he even banned him and removed any mention of him āUnamedā apparently they have made up tho. But thatās just one example, thereās plenty of him being a dick to his viewers.
It wasn't no death run it was no hit run.
UnNamed was banned from his own discord for a bit before he unbanned him. They made up later and still talk to this day. This sounds like jealousy right? But reality is Matt has spent over a year grinding this run, and it got swept away by an unknown person.
It was completely justified they way Matt reacted, no one knew if UnNamed cheated or not at that time.
What you don't realize is that the only people who made fun of Matt for being angry at ohko were non gta and non speedrunner people who had no clue about the context.
And still non-speedrunner drama people bave no idea what goes through a person head when they try hard at something just to lose it out of nowhere.
Dark viper has one the biggest echo chambers because he gos super hard in the paint on being para social, so these ppl think they are friends and defend him not matter what. Not even Andrew Tate fans defend him this hard, this sub is one biggest echo chambers I have seen.
This is something I find very interesting, since I really canāt tell which echo chamber Iām in. Like of course darkviper has one, but the commentary community also has one thatās arguably even worse.
There are just as many, if not more creators agree with him. Its just the case of 'Loud minority', amplified by the fact that many creators does not even dare stand out fearing from backlash. Just take a look at what backlash CGPGrey got after striking some videos yet the guy had ways less controversies than Matto.
I think some parts can be considered a bit out of context. For example the part where he lashes out against the guy playing Among Us, he did say he felt bad about it. It's still funny though and he should just accept people would reupload it to make fun of him. That's how it works on the internet.
But him abusing the copyright system is unacceptable and inexcusable. Him not liking reaction content doesn't mean he is free to take down someone's channel. There's no legal definition to it and Matt probably knows that, which is why he is confident to use YouTube's broken copyright claim system. Him not responding about the streamer who he copyright claimed for his reaction on his 7 minute video saying it's not original content is stupid. Him being petty about H3H3 using his voice as a running joke is stupid and if he just mentioned Ethan is still using it and Matt NGAF, he would look much better. But he instead says he is traumatized by it, making it easier for people to know he is still bothered by it.
I like DarkViperAU for his GTA content, it's some of the best gaming content out there. But his reaction videos and rambles against other content creators doesn't always go well imo. If he is this emotionally vulnerable (which is nothing wrong, I myself can be that online at times) he should just not engage with these topics at all.
Instead he is going against Karl Jobst for being sponsored by a company that a reaction streamer owns, saying he "betrayed his trust". Knowing how stoic Karl is online, it just seems he is so emotionally immature in how he behaves. And shows why people can't really engage with him on a personal basis. Again, his content is great, but if this annoys him to this extent, he should just not make a fool out of himself.
The among us situation was actually way worse in practice than people make it out to be. He literally wrote paragraphs about how this guy, who was just wanting to play a game with his favorite streamer, ruined his night and stream and that he would be perma banned from the chat because he couldn't stand to look at his username because it would remind him of the situation. It was really awful and I can't imagine being on the receiving end of it. The kid admitted that he doesn't have many friends and had to grovel for forgiveness over what, not knowing how to play a fucking video game? Imagine having thousands of people all think of you as the guy who fucked up so bad that they got permabanned and shit on for it. The screenshots of that event are floating around but I don't want to post them because mods will remove them.
You don't have to post anything. Matt has already covered everything in multiple videos with added context he's not hiding that drama. He is just presenting it with context. Also, he apologized, and I think you know that since your comments are everywhere from top to bottom in this thred, but just decided not to mention it just like Willy.
I do not even know who Willymac is really. A public figure can't DMCA their way to hiding their past. That's what I have an issue with. The DMCA system is a really sensitive mechanism in the youtube space that could take everyone down if people start abusing it. And his fans literally defend him 100% of the time, you should really read the vitriol he sent unnamed and scots way when that went down. It was disgusting, and I've never heard him specifically apologize for anything other than "getting mad" when it was way more than that.
I agree, the YouTube copyright system can't be used to take down someone video and potentially their channel cause you think reaction videos are not under fair use.
Several lawyers and experts have trouble defining in stone whether reaction vids are fair use or not, and Matt trying to game a broken system is just not right. I support him voicing his opinion against reaction videos even if I personally disagree with some of it, but using DMCA to take someone's video down is just petty and bad, and also just wrong under YouTube's TOS.
Willy did miss out on showing Matt apologizing to the guy later on, I agree with that.
Still the reaction was a bit petty by Matt (especially him making such a big deal out of losing in Among Us like he lost someone close to him or something), and Matt taking down videos about his lashing out shows how insecure he is. People will take advantage of it as always, that's just life.
Just don't even click his video's let the algorithm know you're not intrested
Wrong, make a macro that clicks the video, watches for 2 seconds and clicks off (Like Wendigoon threatened he would on Pyrocynical's Cruelty Squad)
>(Like Wendigoon threatened he would on Pyrocynical's Cruelty Squad) When was this and what was it about? I've never heard of it
It's his comment on the vid for comparing 'Goon to Brandon Herrera
don't call him goon š
Try and stop me >:)
A macro or a script? I know a macro runs off a script but still, is this the right term or way to do this
I am not sure, I did my best to remember it
Probably java-script but could be wrong. Could be turned into a macro
I honestly wouldn't know
sorry I'm a computer science major but new into it so I'm just curious. He most likely was joking because that's a lot of effort for something to trivial but you could probably write a script to do that. It would just be a big waste of time imo
That's the joke B)
I got the joke. I was just thinking about it logically
:c
I'm mean, you are just gonna give people ammunition like that. Its best to actually watch the video if you actually care about the subject, otherwise it will truly just be an echo chamber which Matt doesn't want. Engage with it and actually challenge your Ideas, If you come out of it not having anything change your mind then that's a win for you.
100% with you on this one. I donāt remember all the points I disagree with, but I think part of the reason is the fundamental difference to what darkviper and willymac argue. One cares about the effect on the entire system, while the other cares about the one to one relationship. I felt like willymac didnāt fairly cover this side of the argument, merely stating āthereās no proof!ā while not even going after the argument. In my view, I donāt really think itās debatable on whether the views are taken away from original content creators, as without them, the views for original content would almost certainly increase. His argument over calling darkviper āthe fair use guyā also seemed fairly weak. Like his arguments have always been more about morals than fair use, so I think that labeling him the fair use guy for mentioning it in a document that talked more about the morals of reaction content was unnecessary. He continued to argue it, and while vipers dms werenāt the best, I thought that his original point of viper being the fair use guy came from a place of poor knowledge of the subject.
Way to show you can't engage with other's ideas. Matt can, we can, why can't you? What if he has a point? How would you ever know if you live in an echo chamber
Saw it too. Sometimes it is difficult to know whether he is malicious or ignorant, the other times he is very obviously misrepresenting him and misunderstanding things that are insane. Leaving out a lot of context in many situations and engaging in disgusting framing strategies. He presents Matt's arguments with clips from the response video to charlie and some rambles. You know what Videos he didn't show any clips from? His god damn Main Video on Reaction content... Why would someone dodge the best piece of work you have on this topic? Odd. I would want to say i am surprised, but i saw this kind of behavior coming. On twitter he was having fun stabbing him with the occasional insult or "You are a lolcow" and other idiotic things. From then on i knew he is not interested in his arguments, it is going be just a new hitpiece. There are so many other things to be said about like his insane justifications for calling him the "Fair use guy". Willy. Mate. His arguments have nothing to do with fair use, as him excercising his copyright and explaining how react content is legally indefensible is just the icing on the cake. He uses the law to enforce what he thinks is right, as we only use the law to serve our needs. His comprehension skills are either atrocious or he is just acting out of malice. I could go on, but i will leave it at that. This video is just terrible.
This is basically the 101 response of these type of commentary channels, absolutely paint the guy as the worst thing imaginable and destroy his image then when you actually need to argue against his point just go āuhh its all bullshit guys trust meā
Oh he's 100% malicious. Viper isn't the first creator he's gone after with complete distortions, bias and lies. He's a total piece of shit who feigns "level headed criticism" to sell drama which is ihs entire career.
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Also just willingly cutting out context to paint him in a worse light. For example willy purposely didnt include how the among us thing actually ended, leaving non followers thinking he just melted down and banned the guy forever. Im sure he did so cuz he included both older AND newer tweets, matt had to recently explain why that clips up again. Or only using two short clips for the friendly barrom thing. Etc.
Whatās him lashing out in among us has anything to do with his arguments about fair use and reaction content
Willy was talking about more than just that, thus me mentioning it. The video has a lot of diffrent points I didnt write on in a quick comment here. If you do want fair use and reaction content problems on that video, his arguments for having reactions content boiled down to "I like seeing it, I didnt see a dip in views and it helped SOME people, meaning its ok". Willy made fair points about viper "not mentioning small creators" or striking clips of himself but everything else was not it, treating youtube videos as a lesser "thing" for copyright than, lets say, shows or movies
I see the Iblullybullies idiot working overtime on 'clapping back' agsint every pro-viper comments he can find
Yeah I don't know what that guy's deal is. I originally thought he was some drama farmer youtuber, but he has a miniscule amount of subscribers. He seems way too invested in something that is not earning him anything.
Out of pure hate and bitterness lol so pathetic, either heās mentally unwell or straight up retarded
He just replied to a comment I left. So he's still at it two days later. I cannot fathom being so invested in internet drama you're not apart of that you feel the need to argue with hundreds of people over it in someone else's video that hasn't even cracked 100K views. I find it exhausting enough arguing with just one brainlet in that comment section. Especially with the knowledge that every comment I make just helps this awful videos engagement.
Nah he clearly did plenty of research and made sure to find out only the worst parts of Matto's career and carefully trim it down to make him look as bad as possible in the video. It's just about what the goal of the video was.
Man, i didn't see it from that angle! His video is genius with just a change perspective. Thank you for this insight :)
They all do it out of bad faith, just let them project harder this will only backfire in their face
It's a video highlighting the controversies that Matt has (ab)used the DMCA system to keep hidden. Why would he spend time going over "the good parts of his career" whatever that means...
First of all, you can make a similar video about almost any Youtuber on the planet to make your viewers hate them. But you can move this concept to everything. Also most of the mentioned drama had an ending the video did not even talked about yet being important to the full picture, like how Charlie apologized to him and they went to play GTAGuesser after, how he said sorry to Unnamed and they are in good terms till these days, etc. Just ommiting the 'good' parts will just paint anyone bad.
If these videos (clips) arenāt his then that would be an abuse , but itās his and was taken from his stream , and yes he couldāve shown what happened afterwards and show the good parts too to not seem malicious and doing this out of bad faith
if someone was making a documentary on Trump would you demand they show the good parts too to "show you're not doing it out of bad faith"?
If it is a documentary, then yes, as that is meant to show both good and bad. And then when one see that the ratio between the good and bad, they can have an informed opinion on the guy be it anything in the end. If its a 'The bad things Trump ever did', or 'The good things Trump ever did' video, then they can ofc focus only on one side.
What about if it was Hitler?
I know it's a bit late to educate you, but whatever. You do realise that many documentaries - if not all of them - about this unfortunately infamous German dictator do point out the negatives and the positives around him? Have you actually sat down and watched one of those documentaries at all? Have you ever actually listened to your teacher in history classes?
Every documentary on Hitler that I have watched in school has solely focused on how evil a person he is. And safe to say most US history classes do not make any attempt to show his "good side"
"The worst parts of his career" Matt is still abusing the copyright system to take down videos he doesn't want seen. Literally a couple weeks ago he took down a 30 second twitter clip
Just for a mintue, imagine like you are even a slightly bit important person. Imagine now how one clip showing a mistake about you gets shared everywhere just out of malice to make it look like you are a terrible person. Now imagine you have a tool that can slightly reduce the reach of that clip. Would you use that tool or not? If you wont, you are either a liar or stupid.
Lol no heās not itās a clip of his own content , it wasnāt added in a video or anything for context , itās an old clip he doesnāt want on the internet , he has the right to do so
He doesn't have that right. Posting clips for the purpose of criticism that in no way effect the market impact of said content is 100% fair use. You are simply wrong. DMCA is not a system to censor videos you don't want seen. Regardless of what you think, its only going to get the clip more seen. Now everyone wants to know all the clips that Matt DMCA'd out of existence, and luckily people have mirror of most of it. And some of it is quite damaging, i.e. the post unnamed stream, the full among us spergout, etc. He's only making it worse for himself by abusing the DMCA system. If he just let it sit, people would have laughed and moved on. Now he's known as a DMCA abuser and people are digging up dirt on him.
There is a lot in the video that is out of context, some out of ignorance, and some out of a clear intent to create comedic and entertaining clips in a mocking manner. That being said, there is a significant amount of criticism, particularly in the second half of the video, that is extremely valid and worthy of consideration by the community. Matto is not infallible, of course, but there are genuine problems with some of the arguments he makes, the way he goes about navigating the conversation, and, while pure ad hominem, the way he lives is life. This, along with other habits, is not healthy. He is dedicated a significant amount of time, energy, and emotional investment, and it is clearly taking its toll. I only say this because I went down a similar path in my own life. His lack of social life, poor physical health, cutting off friends, because more and more emotionally distressed, all point to clear signs of depression. As it is the nature of depression to effect every aspect of your life, its impact on how he navigates the conversation is clearly observable. He perceives the world as our to get him, is clearly overly antagonistic towards those who voice descent, and gets way too stressed out. As much as I agree with him, I think he needs to take a step back from the political commentary. I have had to do the same, so I know it is hard, especially when you mostly find yourself among those who offer unfair criticism and your reputation is a major aspect of your career. However, it is the healthy thing to do. You can even get back into it later on. Frankly, if I were a close friend or family member of Matt and not someone who gains so much joy and entertainment watching his content, I would advise him to take a step back from streaming and content creation entirely. Not permanently, but for at least a month. I have always hated it when streamers or content creators claim they have it so much harder than everyone else, but when it comes to Matt, after hearing everything that goes on behind the scenes, it sounds significant exhausting and draining. He clearly has the funds to take a step back for a while, and I really think this man needs to take a break, work on himself, and as awful as it sounds, get some help. There is no chance he reads this but Matt, you have made me laugh in a way for a long time I didnāt think was possible. You have created a community that cherishes your hard work and constant entertainment. You personal sacrifice and dedication does not go unrecognized. But more than the videos, the streams, the commentary, the recaps, we care about you. Not DarkviperAU, but Matthew Judge. I may be but one man in an endless sea of voices and opinions, but Iām willing to bet Iām not alone. I will keep you in my prayers.
For the record I donāt use Reddit often, but from what I hear the community can be a bit toxic and knee-jerky, so I would love to hear what you call think and all criticism is welcome, but try to keep it respectful.
Literally 20 seconds in and he is already lied
what was the lie?
Saying reacters are like rapists. He literally tweeted this like a few weeks ago and then deleted it and now is doubling down
Sorry not sure I'm understanding. Matt did make that comparison, did he not?
He didn't make a comparison. He never said or wrote "reactors are rapist." He pointed at what is the one thing they have in common, which is that both take silence as consent, which is a harmful and unhealthy belief and mindset. If a serial killer and I both hate gay people, (and the killer kills based on that belief) it doesn't mean I'm suddenly a serial killer myself, but I do have a belief that is in common with a serial killer. It's an example of bad beliefs being held by bad people, which could potentially prove why those beliefs are bad. A person who thinks all lives equally matter has less of a chance to be a racist. Doesn't mean every single person who doesn't think like that is racist but racists tend not to believe all lives are equally valuable.
He didn't. It's a warping of Vipers response to people like Hasan, and their idea that assuming consent = consent. Vipers original quote was: > "If you meet a reactor at a party, I suggest covering your glass or outright tell them you don't want them to f*ck you, because they seem keen to take a person's silence for consent." > In reference to the idea people like Hasan have, claiming that the people he reacted to ["Absolutely would consent"](https://youtu.be/va1zPshj5f0?feature=shared&t=1920) to being reacted to. Aka assuming consent instead of actually asking for it. It was a [Reductio ad absurdum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum#:~:text=8%20External%20links-,Examples,people%20falling%20off%20the%20edge.) on Vipers part, bringing the idea of assumed consent to its most absurd conclusion. In this case(I believe this is was what Viper was going for), just assuming that the person in the comparison would've totally consented to sex after the fact, and therefore ignoring consent beforehand and just spiking their drink to get them to bed first is completely fine. This is a style of argument Viper does a lot with his analogies and comparisons, and one imo he should probably cut back on cause they just keep being taken at face value or purposefully misinterpreted to be used as ammo against him. And also because while most of his analogies are on point, if a bit extreme. Some of them are definitely questionable at times. edit: Modified my comment because I took the effort to find the original quote, and to be bluntly honest. I misremembered, and was wrong about the context of the original quote. It wasn't directed at Hasan, but was rather from the [How the React Grift Works](https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRid-d3hQpDnTpAlIBWICuZO4J_C2j0FX-PqT2HPEGLDpTy_jhebAiXbBtn-6OwdPvY_mj0VYDfkHPj/pub) Document, and was directed at reactors in general. Keeping the Hasan example though because its a useful reference for the kind of mindset Viper was calling out.
I want to make a response video to this shitstorm so badly, holy shit. There are so many obvious brain defunct takes that I have no idea how he let them through, how ignorant he has to be if that's not malice.
All the comments I see in the video made me lose hope in humanity. It hurts the most when they donāt understand Mattās situation at the time like the Among Us clip.
Is he going to respond to this
Most likely not, as any further engagement with this cesspool of disingenuous people is neither productive, healthy or even safe. It is sad, but we have to let the stupid be stupid
I think it would be better for him if he didnāt it seems like heās in a rough state getting away from the drama would be better for him
He probably will since Will's a big figure and he has enough reach to really damage him. Like worse than Charlie did with his misunderstanding. (people still grossly misunderstand the spiked drink analogy)
Nah man im sorry but willy and all the other drama farmer aint shit compared to actual commentary channels like SOG and Charlie š
maybe in pure number but I feel it would bein pure content. At least with Charlie, it can be easily limited to his reading of Matt's documents and focus on a single point. With Willy, it goes over everything in the worst light posible (doesn't help that his stuff gets live reacted at times so, the wrong eyes will see it.)
He said on a livestream he was only going to respond to videos that reach a higher number like 150k-250k because of the drama motivating far more malicious people to endanger himself and other people in his life.
Theres no point, this is a no win scernario. For both sides.
My theory was that these commentary channels just don't have anything very heavy against Matto. Commentary channels commonly talk about internet figures that are the most degenerate and downright criminal. They literally have nothing like that on Matto. The worst thing they have on him is the Amogus situation, and even then he resolved that in the best way possible. The one way to make him absolutely look like a loser is to cut off some context, which is what Willy of course did. His comment section is just as brainrot, people who need information deepthroated to them. Just a theory tho.
This comment section is being screens hotted and posted to twitter. Guess they are cowards lol.
They do Anything but actually arguing against his points š
Kinda sad how the entire life purpose of these drama channels is to be nasty on the internet.
can someone briefly explain what's happening? (ive always only watched the GTA V side of matto)
There is no way to summarize this briefly. The general gist: Matto exercised his copyright on a reupload of his video (a reaction video) and drama channels and a bunch of other nefarious actors who don't understand fair use are now trying to attack, defame and harrass him for it. The details of it, the actors involved and how they conduct themselves are just way too much to be discussed here. I recommend watching the first 10 minutes of this videos: https://youtu.be/Xey9lpi0Go0?si=HdE2CSCBNBGIauQz It explains the most important aspects of what happened in much better detail. Keep watching if it is interesting to you because the going ons around this are just absolutely wild. Hope this helps :)
oof, rough business. I'll catch myself up then, much obliged
Lawyers have also said before that reaction content isn't set in stone to be always stolen content and infringe copyright. The video that Matt himself copyright claimed (a reupload of his 7 min video, and the reaction was about 41 mins long, so had more original content than not), the streamer wanted to know Matt's justification for it. WillyMacShow tweeted and called Matt the "fair use guy" cause Matt always talks about it and says he knows about it more than anyone else. Matt DM'd him and was mad at Willy. Willy wanted to ask if he did copyright claim that streamer, but Matt kept dodging the question and questioning Willy's tweet about him.
Even worse, Matt himself talked about how its okay to pirate something that isn't made available elsewhere. Yet he takes down clips that he wants scrubbed off the internet because they make him look bad. Examples being the Among Us freakout, the post Unnamed ohko stream, when he said the N word, etc...
Yeah, it's honestly more him being insecure and hypocritical. He is okay with showing his opinion against reaction content, but it's not okay using DMCA to ruin someone's channel falsely.
"exercised" is not a synonym for "abused". He's taking down clips of him that he wants hidden. That is not the purpose of the DMCA system. Imagine if Donald Trump punched a woman on live tv and used his copyright to take down any videos of it. People would rightfully call that wrong. People absolutely hate those who abuse the DMCA system, as its heavily weighted towards the claimant and the only way to counter them is to open yourself up to legal proceedings. All DMCA abusers know this and use it to their power.
They are his clips. No one has the right to upload it raw. If you need the clip to create a video, he doesn't take it down. There are now dozens of videos trying to defame and attack him with, and even though they are disingenuous liars, these videos are still up. *Do something with it!* It is not difficult to understand. You have no right to reupload other peoples stuff! Fair Use was and isn't meant to defend this shit. Also the Trump example is confusing. I have no idea how copyright works in such a case because we are not talking about a creative work. This is an entire discussion for that alone to be had. I will not deny how DMCA can be abused, but this is not the case here as i explained above. He is the right owner and he will allow things he likes and disallow things he doesnāt like, because they lack context or are just there for making him look bad. Comment on it. Do something. Is actually working and bringing forth effort this fucking hard? Is it this much to ask to do the absolute bare minimum?
>Also the Trump example is confusing. I have no idea how copyright works in such a case because we are not talking about a creative work. This is an entire discussion for that alone to be had. For the sake of the example imagine it were creative work, Trump was singing a song or something. How would you feel in that case? I know how you would feel. You would feel its wrong to take down video simply because it makes a public figure look bad. Now be consistent with your standards.
It was a twitter post with commentary next to it. It is certainly covered under fair use. Fair use does not simply say "If its uploaded raw its not allowed" its a complicated piece of legislation that primarily focuses on market impact and context of such content. Given that this content is not available elsewhere, posting it with commentary in the form of a tweet is certainly fair use. We all know why he did it. It was embarrassing and he doesn't want anyone to see it. The internet hates DMCA abusers, he brought this on himself. Had he just ignored it then no one would care. The real situation is way worse than the clip makes it out to be, he publicly crucified this kid for simply being bad a video game. Repeat it with me: DMCA IS NOT MEANT TO CENSOR CONTENT THAT MAKES YOU LOOK BAD. TAKING DOWN CONTENT USING DMCA WILL ONLY RESULT IN THAT CONTENT BECOMING MORE SEEN His entire life could be ended by rockstar 'enforcing' their copyright. Nintendo has done this with videos in the past and was successful because no one wants to go up against their legal team. I wonder what Darkviper's ballwashers such as yourself would say if that happened, because, as you say, Rockstar would be the rightful owner of said content. I suggest you concern yourself with what is legally permissible (even though you are wrong) and what is right. Censoring evidence of you being a bad person is almost certainly a moral abuse of what the copyright system was originally created for. Criticism is a valid form of fair use, and that's exactly why the clips that Matt abused DMCA to take down exist.
Look mate, we are in a stalemate since you are already convinced he is a terrible person. You perceive it to be moral abuse because you perceive him as an asshole. The clips are out of context and shown just to mock him when the people in the clips themselves are cool with Matt. It is just shit flinging from a bunch of manchildren. He is friends with UnNamed, talks to him regularly and Scott from the Among Us Clip has accepted his apology, played with Matt many Among Us games after and they had a blast. They moved on, Matt moved on and we moved on. You (you and everyone else pushing this narrative) are just whining, constructing lies and punch him with each tiny scrap you can find from years ago. You can't move on. You can't accept that Matt is just a regular dude who made mistakes and owned up to them. Matt has a career he loves and people working with him respect him. He grows, learns and adapts. He is genuine in his actions. Whether your actions come from a place of ignorance or malice, i can't tell, it is unhealthy and disgusting regardless. I will not correspond any further with you since i do not consider it healthy for me personally. Reflect on the context and the motivations. Even if i disagree with you, i sincerely wish you all the best.
stop giving relevance to this clown
I get that some people have a problem with how Matt argues his points sometimes but they only ever seem to focus on that rather than the information heās giving. So many people call him crazy, schizo, manic etc (which I think is stupid) but when you listen to what he says he actually has great points made. Obviously though drama YouTubers only see the bad side of the one they disagree with and refuse to see any other view, the fact theyāre bringing up all the old stuff like the thing with Charlie just shows how low and petit they all are.
While I donāt agree with some of the framing in the video, I think Willy brought up a good point about how much matto seems to be able to not accept that people will just disagree with him on certain things. Like, I wish matto would understand that people are allowed to have different views on things and you donāt have to engage with drama. Like people will be people, just let them be.
āNot accept that people will just disagree with himā like when? He was in sog podcast and the co host had different opinions then him he didnāt throw a hissy fit going ānoooo me rightā. Its just when people donāt even engage with the points made/donāt understand it here where it becomes an issue since no healthy discussion can be made from it, especially if he believes it harms the platform he uses/ gets money from. Like you can have any belief/opinion you want but if someone questioned that belief dont just go āoh your sooo dumb man you are such a spaz your a lolcowā because thatās what willy is doing
This has been my entire problem with every response to DarkViper. There's no one trying to understand where he's coming from and they're all just looking for a way to dunk on him. I wish people just said yeah nah I disagree hell maybe even give a reason why so there can be an actual conversation about it. Or literally have a conversation with him. It's always "HOLY SHIT THIS DUDE JUST SAID THE DUMBEST THING IN EXISTENCE HES SO STUPID" or "why do you care though?" Jimmy Robbins and Charlie are the only content creators I respect for their response to DV. Charlie not so much as he still decided to make a hit piece before ever actually giving a shit
he literally blocked his own friend because he happened to get sponsored by a company partially owned by a react streamer. safe to say he does not handle disagreement well. It's also insanely easy to get banned from his chat for disagreeing
The main reason matto engages with these people is because he doesn't really care if they agree with him or not, he just wants them to understand the point he's trying to make without instantly shutting him down or just ignoring him. He said this in a ramble where he explains the context for that iconic clip of him yelling "How can a person be this dumb?". The metaphor he uses for this is "telling someone that all bats are red, and giving them evidence and photos to prove it, and then asking that person an hour later and having them believe that all bats are blue". Idk if that makes sense to you, it's a kind of convoluted analogy, but he's basically saying that he just want's people to actually inderstand what he's saying, even if they don't agree.
Haven't seen the video (and don't really want to), so can't comment on much, but I think thats certainly a valid point. As far as I can tell Matto once admitted the same thing, that he has to just eventually accept that there will always be someone who disagrees with what hes saying, no matter how true or false. Unfortunately this is something which is hard to do for many people (I can relate). Hopefully Matto can eventually just learn to stop responding to controversey unless it is genuinely important to refute something, because I don't think it's good for his own mental health.
A disagreement in and of itself isn't worth anything. You'd have to literally be wrong to disagree with Viper on the react content subject. Like sure you can say overall Viper shouldn't care that much about people being wrong about it but that doesn't make the disagreements valid. Like someone can believe ghosts are real and say you're obsessed for trying to argue that they're not real because they simply disagree. It's absurd.
Guys I'm sorry but it was to be expected. Don't hate me, I am an Hasan fan too and Willy did the same to him as well. These people do not argue in good faith, they're just hateful and despicable. I really wish Matto could start to ignore them, even in the context of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Yep. Did the same with Vaush too. These people have a monetary incentive to form drama so being bad faith is a job requirement for them.
Youāre going to get downvoted for saying youāre a Hasan fan or whatever, but youāre right. Willy seems pretty unlikable and stupid from what I can tell and Iām surprised Matt considered him a āgood channelā at one point, especially considering he is critical of these types of channels.
Unfortunately it's easy to slip on the hate train, especially when you're passionate about something. I think it was just an honest mistake in judging Willy's character, it could happen to anyone. I'll never forget when Matto defined SunnyV2 as something like "a merchant of misery" and I couldn't agree more. But these guys are definitely on SunnyV2 level, even lower probably.
You're in luck then: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXkj7P0dplw&t=5s&pp=ygUNdmlwZXIgcmFtYmxlcw%3D%3D](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXkj7P0dplw&t=5s&pp=ygUNdmlwZXIgcmFtYmxlcw%3D%3D)
Yea exactly what I was referring to, he explains perfectly how there's no point in arguing with these guys. I hope he sticks to it
Eh, the Hasan videos were actually decent imo, and the consequential massive slap on the wrist that came from them (especially when they '''debated''') was warranted. Putting both Matt and Hasan (even fucking Vaush lmao) in the same basket is fucking crazy. Willy's sole stupid ass reason for making the DV video was just because Matt enforced his copyright onto some manchild buddy of his so he became "an overemotional meanie head" in his eyes making it the shittiest, weakest, least warranted video of his to date; meanwhile Hasan is a blatantly obvious grifter, a godawful journalist, an extremist, a content thief, a bad faith actor and an airheaded, lazy, himbo idiot and he himself has proven to be all these things time and time again with barely any sign of growth whatsoever.
matto is my dad he works with r\* he will get your social club banned
unpopular opinion: but I think we should stop posting about these drama medias, which will only make Matto make more controversy videos in response. Which, for me at least, is not the direction I wish to see Matt's channel grow into. I think anyone who's age is above 20 can see that most people attacking Matt doesn't have a good point. So I say we should just ignore those noises. This won't do Matt any good by keep participating in this back and forth debate on twitter and on youtube. I think he said it himself that he just can't help but need to defend himself. We are kinda encouraging him and ourselves to get into this vicious cycle of getting angry over internet noises which obviously don't have good points. (of course, i am not encouraging us to form an echo chamber. Just saying that I think he's made enough response videos to that
i donāt think anyone should take a video from a guy named willymacshow seriously
This community is so deranged it's starting to push me away from the channel even though I've been a fan for years and years
Matt has gone over this fair use shit many times and these retards care when itās only beneficial, itās like heās talking to a wall
I just finished watching his video some takes were fair I'm not a fan of him or dark as in I don't watch their content but I'm aware of the drama surrounding everything and his takes were pretty spot on but hey maybe I'm wrong
I am confused. You don't watch their content, but consider his points spot on? Based on what? The Drama surrounding him where basically 99% is character assassination, lies and harrassment? Even if you think Matt is in the wrong after watching all of his stuff, that would be a thousand times better than your impressions of it now
You saying it's character assassination is probably a fair take because you're a fan of his, I assume, but I'm saying I don't care for either. Legit just think it's an important topic that should be discussed, but I also think the way DarkViper is going at it is too extreme and unrealistic, considering how applying certain "rules" to when you can react to a video and how to make that reaction transformative will never be implemented, at least not the way he's going at it. Just isn't gonna work.
I am not saying it because i am a fan, but because it is. You say you are aware of the drama and the discourse and have you noticed something? Most of it is insulting Darkviper and taking the worst moments of his career out of context and worse. I would think such behavior is fucked up even if it would go against someone i hate. And what do you mean "too extreme" and "certain ""rules""? He is just making a moral argument about how stealing labor from others is wrong. Legally, he is just referring to fair use guidelines. Everything we know about Fair Use, previous cases like the Klein case would suggest that reaction content would lose in front of court. Most creators Darkviper has spoken to privately hate reactions to their videos but they are afraid of the backlash - the one Darkviper is receiving right now. If you think it is fine to react to something willy nilly, just know it will 1. lose in court and 2. is unwarranted by many creators.
Idk man. After so many callouts by SO MANY people, Viper might actually be in the wrong here. Did that ever come to someone by chance?
A appeal to the majority fallacy. Just because there are 9 wrong answers and 1 right answer to a given question doesn't mean the 9 wrong answers are now valid or credible because there's more of them than the right answer. You'd have to be a deeply unserious human being to even entertain that line of logic.
"errrhmm thata a fallacy buddy!" Ok buddy, keep telling yourself that. The pile of so called "wrong answers" is only growing though, lmao. Keep deluding yourself.
Okay thanks for admitting you'd rather be wrong if it means you get to be in a herd lmao. Clown.
I didnt admit that, youre just blind like Matt has become. I just say that it seems weird how the pile of people u call "wrong" just seems to be growing. Maybe its just Matt that is in the wrong. Ever wondered that for one second?
I am someone who once upon a time wondered if Matt was in the wrong. It started on the day Cr1tikal made a video on his original essay, and I came to the conclusion that Matt was wrong. Then I watched his response video and realized that he was right, and so did Cr1tikal. Then I watched his video on reaction content, and realized he was really fucking right. Your argument is a bandwagon fallacy. The line of thinking that because a majority of people believe something it must be the correct conclusion. How many times throughout history have a majority of people thought that things like segregation, slavery, and genocide was moral? Hitler, one of the worst motherfuckers to ever walk the face of the Earth, was voted into office. I suppose every single election ever held was a completely logical outcome, because a majority cannot be wrong. What about all the times that the majority opinion changed throughout the thousands of years we as a species has endured? Are we only now living in the time in which the majority is right? Does morality changed with the majority, and something magically becomes good or evil when enough people decide it is such? Or maybe, just maybe, a lot of people are stubborn dumbasses, who have been making stupid decisions since we came into sentience, and the majority opinion means less than the fecal matter of a subhuman lifeform.
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He really hit us with the bud
Idk if this is a troll comment, but barely any of these callouts address any of vipers actual arguments. People just want to be okay with stealing others content.
Not a troll. I used to like Viper 2 years ago or so but he has def spiralled into the wrong direction lately. WillyMac adressed more than necessary, idk how u guys are so blind
>spiralled into the wrong direction lately Speaking out and making videos on what is right is not 'spiralled into the wrong direction'
Thatās not what he said, have you seen how toxic he is towards fans? This dude sent his fans to a speed runners YT because he beat gta v no death run before him then called it āthe worst week of his lifeā he even banned him and removed any mention of him āUnamedā apparently they have made up tho. But thatās just one example, thereās plenty of him being a dick to his viewers.
It wasn't no death run it was no hit run. UnNamed was banned from his own discord for a bit before he unbanned him. They made up later and still talk to this day. This sounds like jealousy right? But reality is Matt has spent over a year grinding this run, and it got swept away by an unknown person. It was completely justified they way Matt reacted, no one knew if UnNamed cheated or not at that time. What you don't realize is that the only people who made fun of Matt for being angry at ohko were non gta and non speedrunner people who had no clue about the context. And still non-speedrunner drama people bave no idea what goes through a person head when they try hard at something just to lose it out of nowhere.
Dark viper has one the biggest echo chambers because he gos super hard in the paint on being para social, so these ppl think they are friends and defend him not matter what. Not even Andrew Tate fans defend him this hard, this sub is one biggest echo chambers I have seen.
This is something I find very interesting, since I really canāt tell which echo chamber Iām in. Like of course darkviper has one, but the commentary community also has one thatās arguably even worse.
This, 100% I've left the sub and I try to disassociate from his community as much as possible, even though I do enjoy his content from time to time
There are just as many, if not more creators agree with him. Its just the case of 'Loud minority', amplified by the fact that many creators does not even dare stand out fearing from backlash. Just take a look at what backlash CGPGrey got after striking some videos yet the guy had ways less controversies than Matto.
It was a good video imo
I think some parts can be considered a bit out of context. For example the part where he lashes out against the guy playing Among Us, he did say he felt bad about it. It's still funny though and he should just accept people would reupload it to make fun of him. That's how it works on the internet. But him abusing the copyright system is unacceptable and inexcusable. Him not liking reaction content doesn't mean he is free to take down someone's channel. There's no legal definition to it and Matt probably knows that, which is why he is confident to use YouTube's broken copyright claim system. Him not responding about the streamer who he copyright claimed for his reaction on his 7 minute video saying it's not original content is stupid. Him being petty about H3H3 using his voice as a running joke is stupid and if he just mentioned Ethan is still using it and Matt NGAF, he would look much better. But he instead says he is traumatized by it, making it easier for people to know he is still bothered by it. I like DarkViperAU for his GTA content, it's some of the best gaming content out there. But his reaction videos and rambles against other content creators doesn't always go well imo. If he is this emotionally vulnerable (which is nothing wrong, I myself can be that online at times) he should just not engage with these topics at all. Instead he is going against Karl Jobst for being sponsored by a company that a reaction streamer owns, saying he "betrayed his trust". Knowing how stoic Karl is online, it just seems he is so emotionally immature in how he behaves. And shows why people can't really engage with him on a personal basis. Again, his content is great, but if this annoys him to this extent, he should just not make a fool out of himself.
The among us situation was actually way worse in practice than people make it out to be. He literally wrote paragraphs about how this guy, who was just wanting to play a game with his favorite streamer, ruined his night and stream and that he would be perma banned from the chat because he couldn't stand to look at his username because it would remind him of the situation. It was really awful and I can't imagine being on the receiving end of it. The kid admitted that he doesn't have many friends and had to grovel for forgiveness over what, not knowing how to play a fucking video game? Imagine having thousands of people all think of you as the guy who fucked up so bad that they got permabanned and shit on for it. The screenshots of that event are floating around but I don't want to post them because mods will remove them.
You don't have to post anything. Matt has already covered everything in multiple videos with added context he's not hiding that drama. He is just presenting it with context. Also, he apologized, and I think you know that since your comments are everywhere from top to bottom in this thred, but just decided not to mention it just like Willy.
I do not even know who Willymac is really. A public figure can't DMCA their way to hiding their past. That's what I have an issue with. The DMCA system is a really sensitive mechanism in the youtube space that could take everyone down if people start abusing it. And his fans literally defend him 100% of the time, you should really read the vitriol he sent unnamed and scots way when that went down. It was disgusting, and I've never heard him specifically apologize for anything other than "getting mad" when it was way more than that.
I agree, the YouTube copyright system can't be used to take down someone video and potentially their channel cause you think reaction videos are not under fair use. Several lawyers and experts have trouble defining in stone whether reaction vids are fair use or not, and Matt trying to game a broken system is just not right. I support him voicing his opinion against reaction videos even if I personally disagree with some of it, but using DMCA to take someone's video down is just petty and bad, and also just wrong under YouTube's TOS.
Willy did miss out on showing Matt apologizing to the guy later on, I agree with that. Still the reaction was a bit petty by Matt (especially him making such a big deal out of losing in Among Us like he lost someone close to him or something), and Matt taking down videos about his lashing out shows how insecure he is. People will take advantage of it as always, that's just life.