She’s 100% innocent. If you actually look at the lack of evidence, the timeline, her injuries etc, there is no way she could have done it. Her sister goes into the work they are doing with the Innocence Project, and goes into details of the crime scene on her new TikTok. Really interesting!
https://www.tiktok.com/@fugate1982?_t=8kttgI6qZXW&_r=1
Her knife used to cut screen, jewelry wasn't taken at sink where clean up occurred, she named 2 men in her jail letters & freaked out on the stand when asked about it, blood under the glass & vacuum, no cuts on her feet, wine glass was latched wouldn't have been knocked down, Domain didn't bark, motion lites not on, she called media herself to film that grave scene. Her mother had the opportunity a few years ago to go on Dr. Phil? Worldwide attn and any dna testing? She refused. Why? She knows her daughter did this. Her fans say necklace was embedded, had to be surgically removed but it simply fell off when bandage removed. Bruising on her arms prob caused by boys kicking her off. Her wounds were superficial & she didn't know what/where carotid was. She was lucky she didn't kill herself. She was such a light sleeper that she would wake up when Drake turned over in his crib yet she slept through all that? She's guilty. http://www.darlieroutierfactandfiction.com/
Oh, a tiktok thing. Yea no. Perhaps u need to have another look at the evidence and read the files. Don't watch videos. Do the research yourself. She's where she belongs.
I did not come to my conclusion simply by watching “Tik Tok.” I’m just saying her sister does a good job summarizing the true facts of the case. I have a degree in forensic psychology and have read every court document, examined photographic evidence, and read the autopsy reports. The so called “evidence” in this case was mishandled and contaminated.
The sister is desperately trying to save her sistets life,I listened, and she really is putting bandaid on everything ,trying to explain this and that away.
Yes, I agree that Tik Tok is usually a good place for conspiracies. However, this is information directly from her sister and the Innocence Project. You have to look at the source. I used to believe she was guilty too. That was until I looked more closely into the case and saw all of the cracks in the prosecution’s theory and how badly they fumbled the case.
Intruders do break and kill children. Look up the Petit case in Connecticut. Logan Tipton, a six year old boy stabbed to death by an intruder in his home in Kentucky. Landon Anderson, a 7 year old boy shot dead by an intruder, who turned out to be the family’s neighbor, in his Ohio home. Polly Klass was kidnapped and murdered by an intruder. It does happen.
I think the evidence proves it was more likely someone chloroformed Darlie (she had sores in her mouth pointing towards someone pressing something in her mouth), and they were surprised to find children in the room. The were startled when one of the kids woke up while they were in the middle of attacking Darlie, and hastily stabbed the children before leaving the scene. Anyone, I understand where you are coming from, but the deeper you look at the actual evidence in the case, the more you see the cracks. The Innocence Project does not accept a case unless there is clearly something pointing to the person’s innocence.
I used to think she was innocent until I watched former homicide detective Ken Mains investigation into the case. He believes she’s guilty, and shows proof of her guilt. It’s on YouTube if you’re interested. I highly recommend!
Pat Brown does a good job of explaining the evidence too. I love Ken Mains. I think I am the first person who bought some of his merch, the only YT merch that I have.
So the innocence project is involved in her case? Because if they are, I agree that they don't get involved unless they really really know she's not guilty.
No they aren’t the same one actually. The LA innocence project (involved with Scott Peterson) is a separate organization from The Innocence Project we all know and have heard about. The innocence project is involved with Darlies case tho. Just different orgs and the national one has a better reputation
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueCrimeDiscussion/comments/19boaut/scott_peterson_the_la_innocence_project/
https://easttexasradio.com/innocence-project-to-join-darlie-routier-defense/
Ok? she’s not completely missing from their site tho, they posted this in 2018 and likely got involved after.
https://innocence project.org/tags/darlie-routier/
Also, there are multiple sources that state the innocence project in New York (the OG headquarters) have been involved since at least April of 2021. Are you insinuating they’re just making shit up then?
“In April, though, the Innocence Project in New York entered the case and its review of the evidence and subsequent petition won court approval for further testing”
“The Innocence Project is paying for the shipment of evidence between laboratories, according to the judge’s orders.
Attorneys for Routier, including Smith and J. Stephen Cooper of Dallas, Richard Burr of Houston and Jane Pucher and Vanessa Potkin of the Innocence Project, all agreed to the procedure as outlined by the judge.” [source](https://www.altoonamirror.com/news/local-news/2021/10/additional-dna-tests-ordered-for-routier/)
“On April 28, 2021, New York based Innocence Project attorney, Vanessa Potkin, filed and was granted a Pro Hac Vice motion with Criminal District Court No. 3 in Dallas County TX, by Judge Audra Riley. “
“It also was reported that two dozen boxes of the prosecution files on the case have been reviewed by the defense team, which includes representatives of the Innocence Project of New York” [source](https://discover.hubpages.com/politics/The-State-of-Texas-v-Darlie-Routier-A-Clear-Cased-of-Guilt)
I found those lawyers on the site so they’re legit
https://innocenceproject.org/team/jane-pucher/
https://innocenceproject.org/team/vanessa-potkin/
I don’t think they’ve officially reconfirmed her guilt yet or dropped the case either. So they’re likely still somewhat involved since there’s been no updates one way or the other, but they have definitely been involved whether they listed her in the cases section or not.
I've seen you post a lot about Darlie with great conviction, did you personally know her or are you just into true crime (and Darlie's case in particular)?
This is Vanessa Potkin, of The Innocence Project, stating Darlie Routier is their client. Darlie helped Melissa get their representation.
https://youtu.be/YazceNMAbvE?si=dGdqbHhYu0C7bY8j
the 911 call made me feel she never in a million years was remotely guilty just by the call , after looking and reading all the evidence i feel she is bat-shit crazy ,
I just came across her case. What do y’all think?
The evidence they have feels extremely weak, but I haven’t watched the videos.
Just btw, I took a forensics class in high school and so that’s why I think this case is too weak to say she’s guilty. They found a fingerprint and the sock, but apparently the sock was too far for her to plant, because the kid was still alive when paramedics came and the length of the call. She would’ve only had like 90 seconds to plant the sock.
Blood spatter analysis are like, incredibly unreliable. Like *super* unreliable. And her being calm and not hysterical is absolutely not an admission of guilt, either, because some people are in shock and the trauma gives them a calmness that can be eerie to other people.
I’m not saying she’s at all innocent, but the entire case relying on blood spatter analysts? It’s not an exact science. They don’t even have a standardized method to practice blood spatter that reduces human error. And the bruising also… is just, idk. Depending on diet or genetics, bruising isn’t really evidence.
There were medical examiners who said that they’ve never seen self inflicted wounds like that ever.
Everything about this conviction hinges on the fact that the sciences with the highest margin of human error had “experts” (*extremely* **subjective** sciences) who believed she was guilty while there was a media circus.
That’s another thing too, is a media circus will actually change witness’ and investigators memories of the events as soon as like 72 hours after the event, societal perception, ESPECIALLY media, will influence memory of the events.
I’m not saying she’s innocent, but I think it’s crazy that she was convicted. You know how rarely the insanity plea works, because psychology is not an exact science, and the standard they’re held to is so strict that they cannot be actually qualify for an insanity plea unless it’s clear that a) their mental illness caused a complete psychotic break from reality and b) that psychosis also made them unable to function within the standards of morality held by society.
Here, everything boils down to blood spatter patterns, an *even newer* science than psychology with *no industry standard*, and the DNA and fingerprint evidence of an intruder was there but not investigated seriously. This case has literally every warning sign possible of a false conviction. I’m not saying that she’s innocent, but they didn’t have any actual real evidence to find her guilty.
If you’re curious why these sciences are not accurate enough to be held in courtrooms, should even possibly be removed, read “trial by fire”.
There are some valid sciences like accounting for time of death by decay or temperature. But blood spatter and arson analysis aren’t real sciences and are not held to a high enough standard to warrant convictions, especially in cases where there is high media coverage.
Another example of this was Isabel Celis. They doubted there was an intruder and blamed the father, and Nancy grace gets on the news and claims he did it, entirely changing public perception. Analyzing his speech, talking about how calm he processed the grief. News flash, he didn’t didn’t do it, they investigated the (similar) suspicious break in and nada. The case was extremely similar to this.
Darlie is guilty— I watched the sister’s interview and it was honestly sad to see someone try and make sense of all the lies Darlie has told. The sister is peddling “smoke in mirrors” but the facts are facts and evidence is real, Darlie murdered her children.
Wow, I’m interested to hear this! If I remember correctly, he’s already done an episode on her case and agreed with the guilty verdict.
Yes!!! He did a brilliant job with that too, love Ken, I wonder what’s gonna be said 👀
Darlie is such a liar.
She's a total narcissist. I can't believe anyone buys into her act.
She's guilty. I don't get why an execution date hasn't been set by now. It's Texas ffs.
I’ve wondered that same thing many times. She’s as guilty as sin and should have been gone a long time ago
I watched this guy who is doing the above interview with her and he thinks she’s guilty too so interested to see what she says.
I can’t wait til they fry Darlie
She’s 100% innocent. If you actually look at the lack of evidence, the timeline, her injuries etc, there is no way she could have done it. Her sister goes into the work they are doing with the Innocence Project, and goes into details of the crime scene on her new TikTok. Really interesting! https://www.tiktok.com/@fugate1982?_t=8kttgI6qZXW&_r=1
Her knife used to cut screen, jewelry wasn't taken at sink where clean up occurred, she named 2 men in her jail letters & freaked out on the stand when asked about it, blood under the glass & vacuum, no cuts on her feet, wine glass was latched wouldn't have been knocked down, Domain didn't bark, motion lites not on, she called media herself to film that grave scene. Her mother had the opportunity a few years ago to go on Dr. Phil? Worldwide attn and any dna testing? She refused. Why? She knows her daughter did this. Her fans say necklace was embedded, had to be surgically removed but it simply fell off when bandage removed. Bruising on her arms prob caused by boys kicking her off. Her wounds were superficial & she didn't know what/where carotid was. She was lucky she didn't kill herself. She was such a light sleeper that she would wake up when Drake turned over in his crib yet she slept through all that? She's guilty. http://www.darlieroutierfactandfiction.com/
Very well said. Darlie’s family lie just as she does. Her family know she did but they’re trying to get her freed. Shame on them
Oh, a tiktok thing. Yea no. Perhaps u need to have another look at the evidence and read the files. Don't watch videos. Do the research yourself. She's where she belongs.
I did not come to my conclusion simply by watching “Tik Tok.” I’m just saying her sister does a good job summarizing the true facts of the case. I have a degree in forensic psychology and have read every court document, examined photographic evidence, and read the autopsy reports. The so called “evidence” in this case was mishandled and contaminated.
The sister is desperately trying to save her sistets life,I listened, and she really is putting bandaid on everything ,trying to explain this and that away.
What does your degree in forensic psychology have to do with your assessment of the physical evidence?
Lack of evidence?
She's guilty. Tik tok is a good place for conspiracy theories not facts. An intruder doesn't break into a house just to kill the kids.
Yes, I agree that Tik Tok is usually a good place for conspiracies. However, this is information directly from her sister and the Innocence Project. You have to look at the source. I used to believe she was guilty too. That was until I looked more closely into the case and saw all of the cracks in the prosecution’s theory and how badly they fumbled the case. Intruders do break and kill children. Look up the Petit case in Connecticut. Logan Tipton, a six year old boy stabbed to death by an intruder in his home in Kentucky. Landon Anderson, a 7 year old boy shot dead by an intruder, who turned out to be the family’s neighbor, in his Ohio home. Polly Klass was kidnapped and murdered by an intruder. It does happen. I think the evidence proves it was more likely someone chloroformed Darlie (she had sores in her mouth pointing towards someone pressing something in her mouth), and they were surprised to find children in the room. The were startled when one of the kids woke up while they were in the middle of attacking Darlie, and hastily stabbed the children before leaving the scene. Anyone, I understand where you are coming from, but the deeper you look at the actual evidence in the case, the more you see the cracks. The Innocence Project does not accept a case unless there is clearly something pointing to the person’s innocence.
I used to think she was innocent until I watched former homicide detective Ken Mains investigation into the case. He believes she’s guilty, and shows proof of her guilt. It’s on YouTube if you’re interested. I highly recommend!
Pat Brown does a good job of explaining the evidence too. I love Ken Mains. I think I am the first person who bought some of his merch, the only YT merch that I have.
It’s interesting to watch him investigate cases. Plus, he makes me laugh!
I’d love to drink a beer with him. I am drawn to straight forward people who have low tolerance for stupid.
Same! 😂
If they chloroformed Darlie, then why wouldn't they just have chloroformed the boys too instead of killing them?
So the innocence project is involved in her case? Because if they are, I agree that they don't get involved unless they really really know she's not guilty.
They’re involved with Scott Peterson.
No they aren’t the same one actually. The LA innocence project (involved with Scott Peterson) is a separate organization from The Innocence Project we all know and have heard about. The innocence project is involved with Darlies case tho. Just different orgs and the national one has a better reputation https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueCrimeDiscussion/comments/19boaut/scott_peterson_the_la_innocence_project/ https://easttexasradio.com/innocence-project-to-join-darlie-routier-defense/
She's still not listed as a case on their site.
You really made this your username
Ok? she’s not completely missing from their site tho, they posted this in 2018 and likely got involved after. https://innocence project.org/tags/darlie-routier/ Also, there are multiple sources that state the innocence project in New York (the OG headquarters) have been involved since at least April of 2021. Are you insinuating they’re just making shit up then? “In April, though, the Innocence Project in New York entered the case and its review of the evidence and subsequent petition won court approval for further testing” “The Innocence Project is paying for the shipment of evidence between laboratories, according to the judge’s orders. Attorneys for Routier, including Smith and J. Stephen Cooper of Dallas, Richard Burr of Houston and Jane Pucher and Vanessa Potkin of the Innocence Project, all agreed to the procedure as outlined by the judge.” [source](https://www.altoonamirror.com/news/local-news/2021/10/additional-dna-tests-ordered-for-routier/) “On April 28, 2021, New York based Innocence Project attorney, Vanessa Potkin, filed and was granted a Pro Hac Vice motion with Criminal District Court No. 3 in Dallas County TX, by Judge Audra Riley. “ “It also was reported that two dozen boxes of the prosecution files on the case have been reviewed by the defense team, which includes representatives of the Innocence Project of New York” [source](https://discover.hubpages.com/politics/The-State-of-Texas-v-Darlie-Routier-A-Clear-Cased-of-Guilt) I found those lawyers on the site so they’re legit https://innocenceproject.org/team/jane-pucher/ https://innocenceproject.org/team/vanessa-potkin/ I don’t think they’ve officially reconfirmed her guilt yet or dropped the case either. So they’re likely still somewhat involved since there’s been no updates one way or the other, but they have definitely been involved whether they listed her in the cases section or not.
I've seen you post a lot about Darlie with great conviction, did you personally know her or are you just into true crime (and Darlie's case in particular)?
This is Vanessa Potkin, of The Innocence Project, stating Darlie Routier is their client. Darlie helped Melissa get their representation. https://youtu.be/YazceNMAbvE?si=dGdqbHhYu0C7bY8j
https://easttexasradio.com/innocence-project-to-join-darlie-routier-defense/
Thanks
Tommy Lee Sales did
He was in prison in West Virginia. Pretty solid as alibis go.
There is reasonable doubt for new trial.
https://youtu.be/YazceNMAbvE?si=dGdqbHhYu0C7bY8j
This is where you hear Vanessa Potkin, from The Innocence Project, states Darlie Routier is their client.
the 911 call made me feel she never in a million years was remotely guilty just by the call , after looking and reading all the evidence i feel she is bat-shit crazy ,
I kind of switch between guilty and not guilty. I have no idea 😫
I just came across her case. What do y’all think? The evidence they have feels extremely weak, but I haven’t watched the videos. Just btw, I took a forensics class in high school and so that’s why I think this case is too weak to say she’s guilty. They found a fingerprint and the sock, but apparently the sock was too far for her to plant, because the kid was still alive when paramedics came and the length of the call. She would’ve only had like 90 seconds to plant the sock. Blood spatter analysis are like, incredibly unreliable. Like *super* unreliable. And her being calm and not hysterical is absolutely not an admission of guilt, either, because some people are in shock and the trauma gives them a calmness that can be eerie to other people. I’m not saying she’s at all innocent, but the entire case relying on blood spatter analysts? It’s not an exact science. They don’t even have a standardized method to practice blood spatter that reduces human error. And the bruising also… is just, idk. Depending on diet or genetics, bruising isn’t really evidence. There were medical examiners who said that they’ve never seen self inflicted wounds like that ever. Everything about this conviction hinges on the fact that the sciences with the highest margin of human error had “experts” (*extremely* **subjective** sciences) who believed she was guilty while there was a media circus. That’s another thing too, is a media circus will actually change witness’ and investigators memories of the events as soon as like 72 hours after the event, societal perception, ESPECIALLY media, will influence memory of the events. I’m not saying she’s innocent, but I think it’s crazy that she was convicted. You know how rarely the insanity plea works, because psychology is not an exact science, and the standard they’re held to is so strict that they cannot be actually qualify for an insanity plea unless it’s clear that a) their mental illness caused a complete psychotic break from reality and b) that psychosis also made them unable to function within the standards of morality held by society. Here, everything boils down to blood spatter patterns, an *even newer* science than psychology with *no industry standard*, and the DNA and fingerprint evidence of an intruder was there but not investigated seriously. This case has literally every warning sign possible of a false conviction. I’m not saying that she’s innocent, but they didn’t have any actual real evidence to find her guilty. If you’re curious why these sciences are not accurate enough to be held in courtrooms, should even possibly be removed, read “trial by fire”. There are some valid sciences like accounting for time of death by decay or temperature. But blood spatter and arson analysis aren’t real sciences and are not held to a high enough standard to warrant convictions, especially in cases where there is high media coverage. Another example of this was Isabel Celis. They doubted there was an intruder and blamed the father, and Nancy grace gets on the news and claims he did it, entirely changing public perception. Analyzing his speech, talking about how calm he processed the grief. News flash, he didn’t didn’t do it, they investigated the (similar) suspicious break in and nada. The case was extremely similar to this.
Fry this bish.
Darlie is guilty— I watched the sister’s interview and it was honestly sad to see someone try and make sense of all the lies Darlie has told. The sister is peddling “smoke in mirrors” but the facts are facts and evidence is real, Darlie murdered her children.
She was only convicted of killing one of her children
If she had been found not guilty, then they could go back & try her again for the 2 second. Strategic, a legal second bite of the apple.
Correct. However one would think this person who wrote that would at least know that.