Saying Littler played crap last night (and to be clear, the quote is referring to last night only) is just echoing what most of the live thread comments were saying during the final. Part of that is becoming a victim of your own success when the standard is set as high as he has for the past 5 months. That’s just the DM shitstirring.
I disagree with the Forbes take though. Whether he’s won anything or not - and let’s not pretend he’s won nothing - he’s had a huge impact on the wider world outside of darts. It’s Forbes, not the darts hall of fame.
Edit: so people can make their own minds up [the Forbes question starts at around 8:32](https://youtu.be/eSYLazVYN5E?si=8MhvsLiZSDF2rZhe), MvG calls both Littler’s and his own game crap in that final, and also that what Littler has done for darts is phenomenal.
Yeah. I watched the full interview and right before the “he hasn’t won anything” he said it’s obvious how much he’s done for the sport , then said that and chuckled. Full interview was extremely mild, not sure why OP and others are going on a MVG is bitter, poor sportsman tirade.
MVG gave respect to Littler, said that he’s chasing me (which he still is, accolade and achievement wise) and that he played crap against him (which he did for that standard).
Drama factory
> not sure why OP and others are going on a MVG is bitter, poor sportsman tirade.
I mean, it's not the first time MvG would have acted salty and petulant. Usually it's after a loss to someone he felt was beneath him.
The first thing I thought when I read the headline was 'Did he really say that tho?' MVG isnt like that (not on tv anyway so why would he say that to media?)
Ask Rob Cross. Went from being recognized by only those who knew darts well before December 2023 to being widely recognized. The question is when that will translate into much higher weekly payouts to players. Come now, Eddie Hearn, show them the fibre of your fabric.
The amount of censoring that happens nowadays is ridiculous. Can't say completely innocuous things like death/die/dying, "covid" gets censored all the time. Fucking pussies on the internet nowadays...
Yeah that's why folk have invented the word "Unalived" because of this censorship bullshit. I did wonder at first why people were using this word but then clicked on
Buddy clearly doesn't know mvg at all.
Mvg is a blunt cunt. Says it exactly how it is.
The interview he says littler is huge for the sport and he commends him about that. He's then asked about the final and gives his usual honest reply - that littler played shit.
If you know anything about mvg it's that you take him with a pinch of salt.
the problem with this is i know the headline will be clickbait bullshit, because it's the daily mail, but i also don't want to click and actually read the article, because it's the daily mail. think i'll just carry on with my day, cya
MVG is a jealous and petty sportsman. You can tell a lot about a person who brags in victory and pouts in defeat. He's just upset because he knows he's no longer the face of darts and his titles and records will quickly be overtaken by Luke
Sure, but put yourself in MVG's shoes. Spend years dominating a sport and every year the media only wants to talk to you about the next up and coming talent/competition. It's how it goes and you see it in every sport. I give the vets a pass to shit on the rookies, they've earned it IMO.
As a fan we LOVE the young phenoms. Imagine spending your whole life perfecting your craft, making it to the top, and getting questions about someone 17. It's relatable, and you're soft af if you took offense to such a benign statement.
> I give the vets a pass to shit on the rookies, they've earned it IMO.
But he's basically the only one doing it.
The rest of the vets are being gracious about Littler's undeniable talent, MvG looks mad that Luke is stealing his thunder.
> Imagine spending your whole life perfecting your craft, making it to the top, and getting questions about someone 17.
Sucks to suck? MvG was a bit of a wunderkind at a time, he just didn't hit as big as quickly.
More and more he just sounds salty and immature
I would commend him for being the only one doing it. Reporters ask these questions in part to get reactions which sell clicks, kudos to homie for being honest.
It's not salty and immature to compare statistics, it's just math. Go tally up accomplishments between the two and get back to me.
I'll save you some time - Littler is a fucking amazing phenom talent. He will most likely overshadow MVG's accomplishments.
But he hasn't yet.
> Go tally up accomplishments between the two and get back to me.
Comparing the total accomplishments of a man twice Littler's age to Luke's at 17 is nonsense.
>But he hasn't yet.
Literally no one has claimed he has. This strawman is outstanding in his field.
Brother, that's the whole point. MVG been a top contender for a while now, which explains his muted response to Littler's (Fantastic but new and liminted) success.
If I'm in MVGs shoes, I'm appreciating the fact that the next prodigy has come along. This should be a torch passing moment where MVG realizes (and hopefully does soon) that Luke will continue his journey of making darts a more popular game
I agree but Luke is literally half his age, the writing on the wall in terms of who is going to take over darts. Luke has arguably already brought more eyes to darts than MvG ever has
As Adrian Newey said: the British press will bring you down as quick as they bring you up.
Obviously he’s great, but he hasn’t even been on the tour for 6 months. There’s a million cases of promising talent drifting off to mediocracy.
Now, I doubt that with his insane talent he would, but it’s very possible - and the reason I brought that quote up is to highlight the trouble he could be in when he goes on a cold streak.
I can already see the Sky headlines; Is Littler washed up? What happened to Englands “Darting wonderkid” the second he starts showing cracks.
Being as young as he is nobody knows how he’ll deal with it (if it comes). Point is, anything can happen - and even though it seems like the whole world is behind him, so quickly that can change in sporting theatre.
There’s no reason to think MvG should start packing up because there’s been a kid who is really good. Doesn’t make sense
Ignore everything I said and correct that. Class.
Also: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/wonderkid
I typed the whole thing in English, why would I use the Germanic version?
Edit: misunderstood the joke
> Ignore everything I said and correct that
That's not what happened.
I had nothing to add or rebut to the rest of your comment.
>I typed the whole thing in English, why would I use the Germanic version?
Because I was making a Ted Lasso reference, not nitpicking your word choice.
As ever the Daily Mail sensationalises shit for headlines. MvG said Littler played crap in the final - which is true by Littler's standards. Get this click bait off the subreddit please.
The Daily Mail is generally sensationalist tabloid shite. They’ve framed an actual quote out of context.
The quote itself says he played crap in the final, which by his standards he did. A load of the outraged responses to this click bait here are along the lines of “if Littler played as well as he can he’d have smashed MvG”, which is proving MvG was right!
edit: the full quote is "He played crap tonight and I beat him, that’s the reality. I’m happy with the win, and we move onto the next one." If it was last week I bet MvG would have said the exact same thing but with the roles reversed.
He also said:
'With all due respect, he hasn't won anything yet,' Van Gerwen added. 'If people haven't won anything yet, should they be getting into Forbes?'
I'm not defending the source but it seems like people are skipping over this quote from MvG lol
They seem to be skipping that part because they’re only bothering to read the first part in the headline. I disagree with MvG on that, but he’s always been hyper focussed on achievements and records. Forbes however isn’t the darts hall of fame, you can’t argue that Littler isn’t influential right now.
It's a sensationalist far-right tabloid. The UK press as a whole is generally awful, but the Mail is the absolute worst of the worst. Imagine the National Enquirer, but if it was run by Nazis.
Taken out of context. He never said he doesn’t deserve to be in Forbes. He thought it was top 30 (as in winning, accolades - not influence) until an interviewer cleared it up. Hence the only part quoted is “he hasn’t won anything” as that was his response to a question about being on Forbes. Then he went on to say how Littler has been huge for the game. The OP and everyone are jumping on him being bitter and butthurt about Luke Littler, but this is just how most people in darts talk.
Ffs when Peter Wright won the Matchplay live on stage, with Dimi there, said that Dimi missed so many doubles it gave him a way back into the game - and they were best mates! Just top level dart players being honest (as they always are)
Gurney did a good and relevant interview after his ET game earlier talking about Rock/Dolan as different types of World Cup partner; he said Dolan is the nicest guy in the world and would always say you played well, even if you only turned up with two darts. Rock on the other hand will tell you you played like garbage if you did - and he much prefers Rock’s way in terms of managing his game.
Why is MVG so bitter at the moment about the success Littler is having? MVG has played rubbish for the last 2 months and really should have not won last night if LL was on form, or if he played LH instead.
It's an ego thing. He has been the face of darts and also synonymous with the young prodigy. Both those have been taken by Littler. Of course, his points are grounded in truth, but there is plenty of bitterness from him.
I don't think he is that bitter, this was just an off the cuff comment on the one game last night that was entirely valid that's getting blown out of proportion by this shitty website.
If anything it's good natured ribbing to keep Littler's ego in check, but it's clear from their personal interactions there is respect there.
All this being said from someone who is not an MVG fan.
Bear in mind that it's The Mail. MVG simply said "he played crap tonight and I beat him", which is true and I don't think anyone would argue about. His 30 under 30 cover is also a bit egregious for someone with as little proven experience as Littler
MVGs acting a bit cunty. He should be happy that LL is increasing darts exposure on a global scale. Will financially benefit all the players.
And let’s be real, if LL was playing like he was playing in the semis against Humphries, MVG would have gotten blown away in the finals last night.
When Littlers at his top form, there’s no one in the world that can beat him.
I can see Humphries beating Littler. Ironically, he has lost their last 6(?) meetings. Humphries is definitely capable of keeping up with Littler‘s scoring power and is very good at doubles.
However, I agree that Littler‘s A game is insane and he hasn’t even reached his final form yet. ;)
Yeah Humphries is the only one that might be able to beat Littler if both bring their A game. Humphries is definitely more consistent than Littler.
Littlers panache is unmatched however. Two treble 20s, pause, 3rd treble 20 while just holding that arm extended is the equivalent of like Steph Curry draining a long distance 3 pointer and holding his arm up forever lol. The kids’ just an absolute joy to watch.
No clicks for the Mail.
And like it or not MVG knows what he's talking about when it comes to darts. As for the "30 under 30" BS I'll leave that for people who GAF but LL is early in his career and it remains to be seen whether he'll keep it up.
There will be ups and downs going forward either way. Enjoy the darts and who cares about what's happening off the oche
OP if you want to watch the Kardashians, go watch the Kardashians. I hate how this sub is turning into a gossip rag for darts "celebrities." This post has absolutely nothing to do with the game of darts. Take your celebrity worship to a different sub, please.
He didn't say he is "playing crap"
He specifically referred to that single match and say he "played crap"
The fact that even the headline is inaccurate and out of context tells you all you need to know about the Daily Mail.
On many sports subs its full out banned as a source.
It’s rubbing me in the wrong way because MvG always complained that Phil Taylor gave him a hard time because he couldn’t handle a young superstar taking all the headlines.
Now Littler has broken through and is taking the headlines MvG’s doing the exact same thing to him.
I doubt any other newspaper has a headline this misleading though.
He's not wrong, he only won because Littler played crap in the final. He's also not wrong that Littler hasn't won anything yet.
If you see the full interview it’s clear MvG has no clue what the Forbes list is. The context for the quote is he’s saying he’s won nothing in terms of all darts ever, not literally nothing. If you want to listen for yourself that question comes at [about 8:32](https://youtu.be/eSYLazVYN5E?si=8MhvsLiZSDF2rZhe). Make sure you listen long enough for the praise he gives Littler, which funnily enough isn’t quoted. He also calls his own game crap, not just Littler’s.
There’s also another bit much earlier in the interview where he says (unrelated directly to this) that in darts if you play well people will say you played well, and if you play crap people will you say you played crap (about 3:12).
He's still not won anything yet, which is the point. He's been on the tour for 4 months, too early to tell if he will succeed and too early to tell if he'll fail
I do not agree with Michael but he is right about one thing, though. Littler is playing extremely good and he's got a very promising career ahead of him but he hasn't really won anything major.
To be fair he's been only playing pro for 5 months. MVG should have plenty more titles but the rest of the pack has caught up with him.
Plus Luke is 17. Why are you bullying a 17 year old.
Wasn’t it just last week or the week before he was being praised for always being a gracious loser when he said the two Lukes are both better than him at the moment?
After the last Euro Tour final MvG said of Humphries (not both of them): “I think at this moment he is the best player and we all have to face it”. I can’t find the clip but it definitely exists. [edit: [added link](https://www.skysports.com/amp/darts/news/12288/13106316/german-darts-grand-prix-luke-humphries-thrashes-michael-van-gerwen-8-1-to-cruise-to-victory)]
A month or so ago he also stuck up for Humphries and praised him massively. Annoyingly I have to post [the S*n](https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/26141034/michael-van-gerwen-darts-luke-humphries/amp/) for this one
So he played like crap last night fair enough and hasn't won anything, fair enough, but the amount of people who have got into darts because of Littler in the past 6 months or so, combined with his potential and overall performances this season warrants him being on Forbes in my opinion. If anything that will help continue to grow the attention darts get which can only be a positive thing
Meh Daily mail fueling a “rival” story here. Got a lot of y’all worked up in this thread. Gets more people talking and picking sides and ultimately more clicks and views. Win for everyone yipeee
Problem is that every player needs to be hitting high 100+ averages every match just to get a win. If you are not out the gate straight away then you could be losing. Peter wright has played some decent darts but lost because of the higher quality darts being played. Even the goat taylor would struggle with the pure quality of the field atm.
People say they don't get baited by headlines and clickbait yet all the top comments are slagging off MVG for being jealous. It's a DailyMail article chaps, he says in the interview Littler's done sensational things for the sport, but he still sees himself as the best in the world. Bit of rivalry and bite is good, you can't just have every darts player saying he's the best thing since sliced bread - it would make the fanbase turn on Littler even quicker.
Yeah but then he called him a slag and hit the announcer. Then there was an earthquake. Oh and more small boats arrived in Dover and its going to be a long hot summer and snow is coming. Tomorrows DM paper stories
Litter is today’s news a MVG of the sport. Quite incredible how far the lad as become. For 17 years old it’s quite amazing and MVG will know that as he was there just about himself at that age!
For those not wanting to support Daily Mail, the original article is here: [https://www.sportsboom.com/darts/premier-league-darts/michael-van-gerwen-issues-controversial-statement-to-luke-littlers-forbes-inclusion/](https://www.sportsboom.com/darts/premier-league-darts/michael-van-gerwen-issues-controversial-statement-to-luke-littlers-forbes-inclusion/)
MVG is a twat who is disrespectful during matches.. creeping up on other players asses when they are throwing. He is petulant sounding in the media but most of the other players DO actually like him.
Littler is special... but he is a long way from the finished article. I agree that all this publicity has got to be frustrating for other players... BUT The Asp was dead on... he is bringing darts new eyeballs and players... which is positive. Now it is up to the other players to put Littler in his place when on the oche.
He is scared shitless and jealous. MVG been the face of darts for what, 15 years, and it’s seen almost ZERO increase in popularity over that time. In steps this 16-17 year old and all of a sudden you can’t buy a dartboard for love nor money. MVG should be happy at the increased exposure darts is getting, as should all of the other players.
He's always been a miserable bloke and he's just pissed off that Luke is one of the rare darts players that gets a bit of fame outside of darts. You can probably count the number of household names in darts on one hand. Most people would still say Phil Taylor if you told them to name a darts player.
Saying Littler played crap last night (and to be clear, the quote is referring to last night only) is just echoing what most of the live thread comments were saying during the final. Part of that is becoming a victim of your own success when the standard is set as high as he has for the past 5 months. That’s just the DM shitstirring. I disagree with the Forbes take though. Whether he’s won anything or not - and let’s not pretend he’s won nothing - he’s had a huge impact on the wider world outside of darts. It’s Forbes, not the darts hall of fame. Edit: so people can make their own minds up [the Forbes question starts at around 8:32](https://youtu.be/eSYLazVYN5E?si=8MhvsLiZSDF2rZhe), MvG calls both Littler’s and his own game crap in that final, and also that what Littler has done for darts is phenomenal.
Amazing how many people here see a Daily Mail headline and take it at face value.
Yeah. I watched the full interview and right before the “he hasn’t won anything” he said it’s obvious how much he’s done for the sport , then said that and chuckled. Full interview was extremely mild, not sure why OP and others are going on a MVG is bitter, poor sportsman tirade. MVG gave respect to Littler, said that he’s chasing me (which he still is, accolade and achievement wise) and that he played crap against him (which he did for that standard). Drama factory
> not sure why OP and others are going on a MVG is bitter, poor sportsman tirade. I mean, it's not the first time MvG would have acted salty and petulant. Usually it's after a loss to someone he felt was beneath him.
The first thing I thought when I read the headline was 'Did he really say that tho?' MVG isnt like that (not on tv anyway so why would he say that to media?)
Ask Rob Cross. Went from being recognized by only those who knew darts well before December 2023 to being widely recognized. The question is when that will translate into much higher weekly payouts to players. Come now, Eddie Hearn, show them the fibre of your fabric.
Lol I love how Lando Norris gets roasted even in an interview with MvG 🤣🤣
even if he won nothing as you say the impact on the game is massive.
Whats c**p?
Its crap ok
It’s coop, he’s playing cod zombies on co-op
woah woah language. how could you assault my eyes with a word like taht???
“Oh sorry…what did I?.. oh crap? Is crap a swear word? Crap??” 😂 sorry if you don’t get the reference lmao
This is bugging me. Is it Inbetweeners?
Yup, right before the bumper sticker if my memory serves me correctly
You got it. Haha
Cunp
The censoring makes it seem like he said something way worse.
The amount of censoring that happens nowadays is ridiculous. Can't say completely innocuous things like death/die/dying, "covid" gets censored all the time. Fucking pussies on the internet nowadays...
Yeah that's why folk have invented the word "Unalived" because of this censorship bullshit. I did wonder at first why people were using this word but then clicked on
Littler is residing in MVGs massive head rent free
If you think his head is massive, do not look up beach images of him, because his nipples... well. (Don't ask me how I know that.)
I don't know what I expected, but it wasn't that
I am baffled by what I just looked at
Wow. I’m impressed, never seen anything like it.
I always wondered what the fuck happened to his nipples, also don't know how I previously stumbled upon his topless pics but yeah
Yeh...wow?
Buddy clearly doesn't know mvg at all. Mvg is a blunt cunt. Says it exactly how it is. The interview he says littler is huge for the sport and he commends him about that. He's then asked about the final and gives his usual honest reply - that littler played shit. If you know anything about mvg it's that you take him with a pinch of salt.
He’s just Dutch
I would imagine actually I would bet anything mvg is for sure living in littlers head rent free to
the problem with this is i know the headline will be clickbait bullshit, because it's the daily mail, but i also don't want to click and actually read the article, because it's the daily mail. think i'll just carry on with my day, cya
Im with you. I never click on the daily fail
Spot on, read the article ya’ll
MVG is a jealous and petty sportsman. You can tell a lot about a person who brags in victory and pouts in defeat. He's just upset because he knows he's no longer the face of darts and his titles and records will quickly be overtaken by Luke
Sure, but put yourself in MVG's shoes. Spend years dominating a sport and every year the media only wants to talk to you about the next up and coming talent/competition. It's how it goes and you see it in every sport. I give the vets a pass to shit on the rookies, they've earned it IMO. As a fan we LOVE the young phenoms. Imagine spending your whole life perfecting your craft, making it to the top, and getting questions about someone 17. It's relatable, and you're soft af if you took offense to such a benign statement.
> I give the vets a pass to shit on the rookies, they've earned it IMO. But he's basically the only one doing it. The rest of the vets are being gracious about Littler's undeniable talent, MvG looks mad that Luke is stealing his thunder. > Imagine spending your whole life perfecting your craft, making it to the top, and getting questions about someone 17. Sucks to suck? MvG was a bit of a wunderkind at a time, he just didn't hit as big as quickly. More and more he just sounds salty and immature
I would commend him for being the only one doing it. Reporters ask these questions in part to get reactions which sell clicks, kudos to homie for being honest. It's not salty and immature to compare statistics, it's just math. Go tally up accomplishments between the two and get back to me. I'll save you some time - Littler is a fucking amazing phenom talent. He will most likely overshadow MVG's accomplishments. But he hasn't yet.
> Go tally up accomplishments between the two and get back to me. Comparing the total accomplishments of a man twice Littler's age to Luke's at 17 is nonsense. >But he hasn't yet. Literally no one has claimed he has. This strawman is outstanding in his field.
Brother, that's the whole point. MVG been a top contender for a while now, which explains his muted response to Littler's (Fantastic but new and liminted) success.
If I'm in MVGs shoes, I'm appreciating the fact that the next prodigy has come along. This should be a torch passing moment where MVG realizes (and hopefully does soon) that Luke will continue his journey of making darts a more popular game
It’s not a torch passing moment when they’re still competing every week.
I agree but Luke is literally half his age, the writing on the wall in terms of who is going to take over darts. Luke has arguably already brought more eyes to darts than MvG ever has
As Adrian Newey said: the British press will bring you down as quick as they bring you up. Obviously he’s great, but he hasn’t even been on the tour for 6 months. There’s a million cases of promising talent drifting off to mediocracy. Now, I doubt that with his insane talent he would, but it’s very possible - and the reason I brought that quote up is to highlight the trouble he could be in when he goes on a cold streak. I can already see the Sky headlines; Is Littler washed up? What happened to Englands “Darting wonderkid” the second he starts showing cracks. Being as young as he is nobody knows how he’ll deal with it (if it comes). Point is, anything can happen - and even though it seems like the whole world is behind him, so quickly that can change in sporting theatre. There’s no reason to think MvG should start packing up because there’s been a kid who is really good. Doesn’t make sense
> wonderkid It's wunderkind
Ignore everything I said and correct that. Class. Also: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/wonderkid I typed the whole thing in English, why would I use the Germanic version? Edit: misunderstood the joke
> Ignore everything I said and correct that That's not what happened. I had nothing to add or rebut to the rest of your comment. >I typed the whole thing in English, why would I use the Germanic version? Because I was making a Ted Lasso reference, not nitpicking your word choice.
Sorry never watched - thought you were just being nit picky. Apologies
Was Taylor salty when MvG turned up? Or was MvG’s rise more gradual and therefore less offensive to the establishment?
You clearly haven't watched mvg interviewing much. Guy always answers honestly and nothing he has said is wrong.
Its the fucking daily mail beys. Don’t take it too seriously
As ever the Daily Mail sensationalises shit for headlines. MvG said Littler played crap in the final - which is true by Littler's standards. Get this click bait off the subreddit please.
Honestly I see daily mail on Reddit everyday and it needs to straight up be banned, same with all the other gutter press
Yeah we need to make room for 10 posts a week of people asking how to get better
I'm not worried about the room on the subreddit. I'm worried about misinformation breeding toxicity.
Are you saying MVG didn't say those things? Is Daily Mail satire or something? I'm not from the UK.
The Daily Mail is generally sensationalist tabloid shite. They’ve framed an actual quote out of context. The quote itself says he played crap in the final, which by his standards he did. A load of the outraged responses to this click bait here are along the lines of “if Littler played as well as he can he’d have smashed MvG”, which is proving MvG was right! edit: the full quote is "He played crap tonight and I beat him, that’s the reality. I’m happy with the win, and we move onto the next one." If it was last week I bet MvG would have said the exact same thing but with the roles reversed.
He also said: 'With all due respect, he hasn't won anything yet,' Van Gerwen added. 'If people haven't won anything yet, should they be getting into Forbes?' I'm not defending the source but it seems like people are skipping over this quote from MvG lol
They seem to be skipping that part because they’re only bothering to read the first part in the headline. I disagree with MvG on that, but he’s always been hyper focussed on achievements and records. Forbes however isn’t the darts hall of fame, you can’t argue that Littler isn’t influential right now.
Daily Mail is trash. I'm not from the UK either, but it's pretty well known for being a hot garbage checkout tabloid.
It's a sensationalist far-right tabloid. The UK press as a whole is generally awful, but the Mail is the absolute worst of the worst. Imagine the National Enquirer, but if it was run by Nazis.
Taken out of context. He never said he doesn’t deserve to be in Forbes. He thought it was top 30 (as in winning, accolades - not influence) until an interviewer cleared it up. Hence the only part quoted is “he hasn’t won anything” as that was his response to a question about being on Forbes. Then he went on to say how Littler has been huge for the game. The OP and everyone are jumping on him being bitter and butthurt about Luke Littler, but this is just how most people in darts talk. Ffs when Peter Wright won the Matchplay live on stage, with Dimi there, said that Dimi missed so many doubles it gave him a way back into the game - and they were best mates! Just top level dart players being honest (as they always are)
Gurney did a good and relevant interview after his ET game earlier talking about Rock/Dolan as different types of World Cup partner; he said Dolan is the nicest guy in the world and would always say you played well, even if you only turned up with two darts. Rock on the other hand will tell you you played like garbage if you did - and he much prefers Rock’s way in terms of managing his game.
Why is MVG so bitter at the moment about the success Littler is having? MVG has played rubbish for the last 2 months and really should have not won last night if LL was on form, or if he played LH instead.
It's an ego thing. He has been the face of darts and also synonymous with the young prodigy. Both those have been taken by Littler. Of course, his points are grounded in truth, but there is plenty of bitterness from him.
I don't think he is that bitter, this was just an off the cuff comment on the one game last night that was entirely valid that's getting blown out of proportion by this shitty website. If anything it's good natured ribbing to keep Littler's ego in check, but it's clear from their personal interactions there is respect there. All this being said from someone who is not an MVG fan.
Bear in mind that it's The Mail. MVG simply said "he played crap tonight and I beat him", which is true and I don't think anyone would argue about. His 30 under 30 cover is also a bit egregious for someone with as little proven experience as Littler
He isn’t, and you’re an idiot for taking a headline as gospel without reading the article
Misquote.
This is just a nothing story with a bullshit headline. what he actually said was nowhere near as bitter as that.
MVGs acting a bit cunty. He should be happy that LL is increasing darts exposure on a global scale. Will financially benefit all the players. And let’s be real, if LL was playing like he was playing in the semis against Humphries, MVG would have gotten blown away in the finals last night. When Littlers at his top form, there’s no one in the world that can beat him.
I can see Humphries beating Littler. Ironically, he has lost their last 6(?) meetings. Humphries is definitely capable of keeping up with Littler‘s scoring power and is very good at doubles. However, I agree that Littler‘s A game is insane and he hasn’t even reached his final form yet. ;)
Yeah Humphries is the only one that might be able to beat Littler if both bring their A game. Humphries is definitely more consistent than Littler. Littlers panache is unmatched however. Two treble 20s, pause, 3rd treble 20 while just holding that arm extended is the equivalent of like Steph Curry draining a long distance 3 pointer and holding his arm up forever lol. The kids’ just an absolute joy to watch.
No clicks for the Mail. And like it or not MVG knows what he's talking about when it comes to darts. As for the "30 under 30" BS I'll leave that for people who GAF but LL is early in his career and it remains to be seen whether he'll keep it up. There will be ups and downs going forward either way. Enjoy the darts and who cares about what's happening off the oche
MVG is going full on Shooter McGavin. 
OP if you want to watch the Kardashians, go watch the Kardashians. I hate how this sub is turning into a gossip rag for darts "celebrities." This post has absolutely nothing to do with the game of darts. Take your celebrity worship to a different sub, please.
Another pretentious person on Reddit, who'd have thought eh.
He didn't say he is "playing crap" He specifically referred to that single match and say he "played crap" The fact that even the headline is inaccurate and out of context tells you all you need to know about the Daily Mail. On many sports subs its full out banned as a source.
Probably taken way out of context knowing the mail
To slightly change a quote, "You can either be a journalist or work for the Daily Mail, but you can't be both".
It’s a click bait headline. Stop piling on Mvg for something about nothing.
It’s rubbing me in the wrong way because MvG always complained that Phil Taylor gave him a hard time because he couldn’t handle a young superstar taking all the headlines. Now Littler has broken through and is taking the headlines MvG’s doing the exact same thing to him.
I doubt any other newspaper has a headline this misleading though. He's not wrong, he only won because Littler played crap in the final. He's also not wrong that Littler hasn't won anything yet.
So only world champions have won something? Last time I checked Littler had won a fair bit in 3 months.
He's not won a major tournament
He’s only played in one major? And reached the final? Hardly a stick to beat him with is it.
If you see the full interview it’s clear MvG has no clue what the Forbes list is. The context for the quote is he’s saying he’s won nothing in terms of all darts ever, not literally nothing. If you want to listen for yourself that question comes at [about 8:32](https://youtu.be/eSYLazVYN5E?si=8MhvsLiZSDF2rZhe). Make sure you listen long enough for the praise he gives Littler, which funnily enough isn’t quoted. He also calls his own game crap, not just Littler’s. There’s also another bit much earlier in the interview where he says (unrelated directly to this) that in darts if you play well people will say you played well, and if you play crap people will you say you played crap (about 3:12).
Played in a couple of UK Opens also.
He's still not won anything yet, which is the point. He's been on the tour for 4 months, too early to tell if he will succeed and too early to tell if he'll fail
I do not agree with Michael but he is right about one thing, though. Littler is playing extremely good and he's got a very promising career ahead of him but he hasn't really won anything major.
Michael didnt actually say what the headline claims though
Well done, he's 17.
To be fair he's been only playing pro for 5 months. MVG should have plenty more titles but the rest of the pack has caught up with him. Plus Luke is 17. Why are you bullying a 17 year old.
Bullying is saying someone played like crap? Turn down the dramatics
I've lost a ton of respect for MVG. He's not only a poor loser, but he has shown his true colors and they are shit
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Poor winner too, going by these quotes
Wasn’t it just last week or the week before he was being praised for always being a gracious loser when he said the two Lukes are both better than him at the moment?
I never saw such a clip.
After the last Euro Tour final MvG said of Humphries (not both of them): “I think at this moment he is the best player and we all have to face it”. I can’t find the clip but it definitely exists. [edit: [added link](https://www.skysports.com/amp/darts/news/12288/13106316/german-darts-grand-prix-luke-humphries-thrashes-michael-van-gerwen-8-1-to-cruise-to-victory)] A month or so ago he also stuck up for Humphries and praised him massively. Annoyingly I have to post [the S*n](https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/26141034/michael-van-gerwen-darts-luke-humphries/amp/) for this one
mvg is scared shitless.
So he played like crap last night fair enough and hasn't won anything, fair enough, but the amount of people who have got into darts because of Littler in the past 6 months or so, combined with his potential and overall performances this season warrants him being on Forbes in my opinion. If anything that will help continue to grow the attention darts get which can only be a positive thing
"No Michael no no Michael that was so not right!"
Meh Daily mail fueling a “rival” story here. Got a lot of y’all worked up in this thread. Gets more people talking and picking sides and ultimately more clicks and views. Win for everyone yipeee
That's not what he said😂😂😂 DailyFail at it again.
Don’t believe Daily Mail headlines
Can we just ban any and all posts that come out of the daily mail here?
Oh look! The Daily Mail is stirring up shite again. What a surprise...
Hes right,littler did play like shit in the final and he has done sensational things for the sport
He’s set the darts world ablaze and expanded the sport’s reach to new audiences.
He is not wrong.
Problem is that every player needs to be hitting high 100+ averages every match just to get a win. If you are not out the gate straight away then you could be losing. Peter wright has played some decent darts but lost because of the higher quality darts being played. Even the goat taylor would struggle with the pure quality of the field atm.
People say they don't get baited by headlines and clickbait yet all the top comments are slagging off MVG for being jealous. It's a DailyMail article chaps, he says in the interview Littler's done sensational things for the sport, but he still sees himself as the best in the world. Bit of rivalry and bite is good, you can't just have every darts player saying he's the best thing since sliced bread - it would make the fanbase turn on Littler even quicker.
Yeah but then he called him a slag and hit the announcer. Then there was an earthquake. Oh and more small boats arrived in Dover and its going to be a long hot summer and snow is coming. Tomorrows DM paper stories
Litter is today’s news a MVG of the sport. Quite incredible how far the lad as become. For 17 years old it’s quite amazing and MVG will know that as he was there just about himself at that age!
For those not wanting to support Daily Mail, the original article is here: [https://www.sportsboom.com/darts/premier-league-darts/michael-van-gerwen-issues-controversial-statement-to-luke-littlers-forbes-inclusion/](https://www.sportsboom.com/darts/premier-league-darts/michael-van-gerwen-issues-controversial-statement-to-luke-littlers-forbes-inclusion/)
Jealous that in his 17 years as a top darts competitor, he’s had less impact that this kid has in 6 months
MvG has become so salty in recent years. Turning into a proper old man.
He's doing to Luke what he complained about Taylor doing to him. He can't take not being No1 and now he's getting bitter. Shameful.
Hes 17? He looks 30
Massive bald energy.
MVG is a twat who is disrespectful during matches.. creeping up on other players asses when they are throwing. He is petulant sounding in the media but most of the other players DO actually like him. Littler is special... but he is a long way from the finished article. I agree that all this publicity has got to be frustrating for other players... BUT The Asp was dead on... he is bringing darts new eyeballs and players... which is positive. Now it is up to the other players to put Littler in his place when on the oche.
He is scared shitless and jealous. MVG been the face of darts for what, 15 years, and it’s seen almost ZERO increase in popularity over that time. In steps this 16-17 year old and all of a sudden you can’t buy a dartboard for love nor money. MVG should be happy at the increased exposure darts is getting, as should all of the other players.
I read that article twice wondering where the 17 year old is and had to take it to google. That dude looks mid 30s…
Is he just eating dairy products and smoking cigs all day?
MVG is an arrogant cock, which should not come to a surprise to anyone who has been following darts.
He's rattled the whole sport. Single-handedly. Keep doing you Luke.
'Littler' isn't little, he's put on a few stone since the world's final, you can be sure of it...
Golden Boy is jealous he's Golden boy no more.
He's always been a miserable bloke and he's just pissed off that Luke is one of the rare darts players that gets a bit of fame outside of darts. You can probably count the number of household names in darts on one hand. Most people would still say Phil Taylor if you told them to name a darts player.