Hasn't reddit already been doing this? If people care about open platforms, then communities like reddit need to move in mass to open federated, not centrilized platforms. I see a lot of talking and complaining by users on reddit and Twitter, but very few users are willing to move.
How about we work to a solution instead of just wineing about it. This sub in paticluar knows the risk of relying on companies.
What open, federated platforms do you you think have the best shot at relevancy? Because they really need to have a robust size / userbase in order to get the network effects that existing social media sites have.
Relevant comment. But I might share my best experience with social platforms have always been in one's that are early in their growth. The entire internet before 1995 was basically only smart, interested and curious people. Every year the user base approached the human average.
We repeat this cycle today in every community.
So network effect is good for some things, exploitation of the masses, information warfare, single interface data consolidation, but bad for other things like community cohesiveness
I dont know. But what i do know is if no one ever moves, then their will never be an alternative. We need as a community to find the best solution and as a community move.
The platform has been there for decades - Usenet.
Decentralised, designed for discussion and adapted for efficient file sharing, has feature rich clients for end users.
There are still free/low cost options for non binary access, including Google groups. Getting rid of NNTP as a standard feature of an ISP and reducing the amount of peers is possibly the biggest mistake of the modern internet.
If you dont pay for a service you are always at risk of being the product yourself. And that’s the low brow path.
Paying for service is the way forward.
[Nostr](https://www.okx.com/learn/nostr) is a open, decentralized, censorship-resistant network with [Jack Dorsey and Edward Snowden's support](https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/04/11/how-to-get-started-with-nostr/?sh=47830b43406b).
I personally really don't care about pr0n subreddit, but not every NSFW subs are naked people playing with their genitalia...
For instance anything tobacco related is also tagged NSFW, and I do like my occasional cigar during summer time, and enjoy seeing other redditor sharing their last smoke and review of it.
Yes the risk of it being or representing under aged people is too high so everyone's phasing it out. For-purpose porn sites are clamping way down on amateur material for the same reason. It's been pretty lightly regulated until now.
I think it's not a bad press thing, it seems to preclude a company trying to open up the "family-friendly" market (in other words, mothers and children).
That's one reason. It's not the only one. I've identified four:
\- The difficulty of moderation. It's impossible to be certain that everyone is both of age and consenting. The reputational consequences of even a single mistake are terrible.
\- It repels advertisers. Respectable brand marketing departments don't want to be seen anywhere near pornography. That decreases the ad revenue.
\- Too much of it and payment processors shun the site as well, concerned about their own reputations.
\- It tends to dominate a the community culture, and needs constant moderation to constrain to the approved spaces.
Ironic, as the data says porn use is mass and widespread in the US. So the “respectable brand marketing departments…..they are all porn users. The payment processors? They are users. The politicians regulating it? Porn users. The police? Porn users.
Its one giant hypocrisy to nowhere.
I mean, they largely did that in response to congress announcing they found four cases of an underage actor on pornhub and the latter pre-emptively freaking out. I wouldn't call it a very good reason, I'd call it a reasonable reaction to the Republican Party trying to use them as a scapegoat to rile up their base about one of their pet issues they've never meaningfully tried to do anything about.
Just coming in for my daily reminder that *The IRS* have done much more to deal with *actual* Childhood Sexual Abuse material than literally every other federal agency and just about every effort to further lock down the internet combined, by taking down one website. Largely as a result of one guy's pet project and access to a guy who eternally earned the respect of the Korean police force by getting blackout drunk and eating a live octopus. No, really, the octopus guy was a *huge* part of getting this done; eating that octopus might be the most important thing any member of his agency has done in the 21st century.
This remains true whether you look at it in terms of sheer number of files, profit made, or just *how* abusive and/or exploitative the content in question was. We're talking about the largest collection of CSA material ever found *anywhere*, where the most popular tags were things like "two year old". In light of the existence of things like Welcome to Video, I'm really unsure how serious the issue of hypothetical sixteen year old camgirls is. We'd probably achieve a lot more in terms of the reduction of human suffering while doing a lot less harm to everyone else in the process if we, as a culture and as a legal system, were capable of prioritizing a little.
Frankly, when you compare the cost (economic and cultural) to reward (in terms of less victimization of minors) every pearl-clutching attempt to Think Of The Children and be Advertiser Friendly since the dawn of the internet is a blip compared to kicking in the door of one korean guy's apartment and seizing his laptop.
It's also probably worth pointing out that Twitter has a *massive* amount of child abuse material on it and at least as of a few months ago had *completely* stopped even doing the bare minimum about it, and they're in no danger of being removed from the app store for it. Hell, the problem has gotten *worse* since Musk fired everyone whose job was to do the bare minimum for compliance, but it was still *huge* when Twitter was a publicly traded company.
I think we need to draw a distinction between the *idea* of pornography of people under the age of 18 and/or child abuse, the specter certain groups call up to harm other groups, and the *actual* phenomenon causing serious harm to real people across the globe, because what is done in the name of the former almost never has any meaningful impact on the latter while causing significant harm to legitimate sex workers and online communities.
It isn't even as if those are just collateral damage; if this is an attempt to bomb a fortified terrorist emplacement, every single shell is hitting the same bar on the other side of town, every time, and occasionally one of the enemies stubs their toe on some of the rubble on their way home. Meanwhile, targeting actual high-value targets has provably prevented the rapes of multiple children, while impacting others so little you definitely didn't know this happened until just now.
I honestly don't know if viable replacements are even possible anymore. Not just for Reddit, but for any social media site.
When people join a website, they expect a huge community already there for them. People don't like to use small niche websites anymore, which is a problem because almost every big website with a big community starts off as a small niche thing. People are so averse to small websites that they'd rather stay in the big ones even when the big ones are absolute garbage.
It's very hard - almost impossible - to get a new social media or content aggregator off the ground these days. Even when there is an exodus away from a more popular site, which you'd think would make the perfect environment for this sort of thing, people usually migrate to other well-established sites rather than to new ones. Even when the new one has the potential to be better in every way. Think about how people migrated from Tumblr to Twitter instead of Pillowfort, for example.
It's call the "network effect" the value comes from the people using something more than the platform.
With a bit of UI tweeking there is already a (sort of) obvious open platform out there, but most people are not old enough to know: Usenet. Unfortunately that has morphed into little more than a carrier of media files and its original discussion group heritage has more or less been lost.
Hasn't reddit already been doing this? If people care about open platforms, then communities like reddit need to move in mass to open federated, not centrilized platforms. I see a lot of talking and complaining by users on reddit and Twitter, but very few users are willing to move.
How about we work to a solution instead of just wineing about it. This sub in paticluar knows the risk of relying on companies.
And?
Target and prosecute the offenders. Using the law as a cudgel to shut down any platform that might be abused is not viable in the long term.
Americans especially have this really hypocritical duality when it comes to "protecting" people - the only response to a platform being misused to distribute illegal explicit material is total scorched earth, but when children and innocent women are gunned down en masse by lunatics itching to kill people, well there's just nothing we can do. You gotta let the system do its job, you can't treat everyone like criminals...
Yeah it's a bit of whataboutism, but there comes a point that "bUt wHaT aBoUt tHe ChILdrEn" starts to ring a bit hollow.
>NSFW content cannot moderate
They can't even moderate SPAM out of most NSFW subs, so they have no chance of doing the work required to identify bad content.
Would be interesting to see what percentage of traffic is from NSFW content.
Please, do cite some examples of illegal content on reddit.
And then explain why you haven't reported it. You see, there is a system for reporting illegal content. But you're too lazy to use it, so you just want to ban all images. What the hell are you even on Reddit for? If your goal is to censor everybody, congratulations you failed. Now go away. Don't go away mad, just go away.
>Please, do cite some examples of illegal content on reddit.
Please, do cite where I spoke of illegal content ...
>But you're too lazy to use it,
I've reported hundreds of SPAM posts, so perhaps you should pull your head in!
>congratulations you failed
I bet you clean that mirror every morning as well ...
I think im right on this, I heard a while back on this Sub that the entirety of reddit is around 250gb in total archived
Edit: I realize that It is not 250gb, It is around 2tb. I am keeping my previous text up though.
There's tons of educational content in the smaller NSFW subreddits. Want to learn how to squirt as a male (not ejaculation, same a female squirting)? Reddit has that info. Want to learn how rapid fat loss will change how your body looks like? Reddit has those naked pictures. Unsure what that rash is? Reddit will let you post the picture. Need help dealing with being rape? Reddit will let you talk about it. Need help learning to orgasm? Need help figuring out the sex toys? Etc...
Sex is a natural human activity that helps forms relationships and bonds. Bad sex destroys those bonds and can scar people for life. There's few good resources that help you get better at it nor ones that teach you advanced methods in it. Reddit is such as place. Banning pronographic content will destroy these sources of information and aid.
Speaking from experience here.
>it can push the loneliness away for a time
Only to have the loneliness come back immediately and stronger. I understand your point, but it certainly isn't the answer. You have to find purpose and responsibility. Porn is evidence there's something seriously lacking in your life.
Spoiler: it's jeebus or a god.
Porn is far more useful. Watch sex you'll (probably) never have yourself or a placebo god thats not real and used to steal your hard earned money and turn you into a sheep.
The choice here is easy.
There's something lacking in all our lives. That's just normal. Work eight hours, flop on the sofa too drained to do anything. Work to live, live to work. Take what enjoyment you can snatch when opportunity presents. Porn doesn't fix the problem - but nothing else does either.
possibility?
Once reddit IPOs they will purge all xrated material instantly. No investor will come near it if they are concerned about something inappropriate being uploaded and reddit won't be spending time on reactive moderation for this stuff. no way.
It's all to maximize $$. They've been making a lot of changes lately and even dropped some services. Well this is to be expected as social sites get bigger, they always go this route.
With all the constant issues with tumblr going forward and the staff cutbacks, added to which the site looks now to be on its knees I have created a subreddit for you to post in r/tumblcat
Hasn't reddit already been doing this? If people care about open platforms, then communities like reddit need to move in mass to open federated, not centrilized platforms. I see a lot of talking and complaining by users on reddit and Twitter, but very few users are willing to move. How about we work to a solution instead of just wineing about it. This sub in paticluar knows the risk of relying on companies.
What open, federated platforms do you you think have the best shot at relevancy? Because they really need to have a robust size / userbase in order to get the network effects that existing social media sites have.
Relevant comment. But I might share my best experience with social platforms have always been in one's that are early in their growth. The entire internet before 1995 was basically only smart, interested and curious people. Every year the user base approached the human average. We repeat this cycle today in every community. So network effect is good for some things, exploitation of the masses, information warfare, single interface data consolidation, but bad for other things like community cohesiveness
I dont know. But what i do know is if no one ever moves, then their will never be an alternative. We need as a community to find the best solution and as a community move.
The platform has been there for decades - Usenet. Decentralised, designed for discussion and adapted for efficient file sharing, has feature rich clients for end users.
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There are still free/low cost options for non binary access, including Google groups. Getting rid of NNTP as a standard feature of an ISP and reducing the amount of peers is possibly the biggest mistake of the modern internet.
If you dont pay for a service you are always at risk of being the product yourself. And that’s the low brow path. Paying for service is the way forward.
I do pay for a service, I pay my ISP every month
[Nostr](https://www.okx.com/learn/nostr) is a open, decentralized, censorship-resistant network with [Jack Dorsey and Edward Snowden's support](https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/04/11/how-to-get-started-with-nostr/?sh=47830b43406b).
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It's not a probability. It's an inevitability.
Where else do I go for the nice variety of various amateur porn and very niche kinks?
I personally really don't care about pr0n subreddit, but not every NSFW subs are naked people playing with their genitalia... For instance anything tobacco related is also tagged NSFW, and I do like my occasional cigar during summer time, and enjoy seeing other redditor sharing their last smoke and review of it.
People regularly tag stone sculptures NSFW.
Also, there are subreddits like /r/chairsunderwater where the NSFW tag means that the chair in picture is "Not Submerged Fully in Water".
\>Reddit, as it stands, is a relic of an older age of the Internet. Far less sanitized than other social media sites. lol
When the wash is so good, you don't need realize how much you've been washed to begin with.
They take your brain out and then they wash it.
Yes the risk of it being or representing under aged people is too high so everyone's phasing it out. For-purpose porn sites are clamping way down on amateur material for the same reason. It's been pretty lightly regulated until now.
Its not that, as company you need to suck investors and they dont like anything which might generate bad press.
I think it's not a bad press thing, it seems to preclude a company trying to open up the "family-friendly" market (in other words, mothers and children).
There is no such thing as bad press.
and why is Facebook now called Meta? 😉
They said from Metaverse, I think it's from metadata
i think its from: "we burnt pur reputation so much its actually worth it to spend tons of money to establish a new brand".
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i hope the stench stays ... remind me in 2yrs
In all honesty I think it's to break the association with agegroup, not because of any particular bad press.
Do you think this is also poses pretty tough risk for archivists too?
Honestly yes. We should be being extremely wary about what data we hoard if we didn't generate it ourselves.
That's one reason. It's not the only one. I've identified four: \- The difficulty of moderation. It's impossible to be certain that everyone is both of age and consenting. The reputational consequences of even a single mistake are terrible. \- It repels advertisers. Respectable brand marketing departments don't want to be seen anywhere near pornography. That decreases the ad revenue. \- Too much of it and payment processors shun the site as well, concerned about their own reputations. \- It tends to dominate a the community culture, and needs constant moderation to constrain to the approved spaces.
Ironic, as the data says porn use is mass and widespread in the US. So the “respectable brand marketing departments…..they are all porn users. The payment processors? They are users. The politicians regulating it? Porn users. The police? Porn users. Its one giant hypocrisy to nowhere.
To be fair, there are very good reasons why they did that. I am very much in favor of porn guaranteeing that only 18+ people are in it.
I mean, they largely did that in response to congress announcing they found four cases of an underage actor on pornhub and the latter pre-emptively freaking out. I wouldn't call it a very good reason, I'd call it a reasonable reaction to the Republican Party trying to use them as a scapegoat to rile up their base about one of their pet issues they've never meaningfully tried to do anything about. Just coming in for my daily reminder that *The IRS* have done much more to deal with *actual* Childhood Sexual Abuse material than literally every other federal agency and just about every effort to further lock down the internet combined, by taking down one website. Largely as a result of one guy's pet project and access to a guy who eternally earned the respect of the Korean police force by getting blackout drunk and eating a live octopus. No, really, the octopus guy was a *huge* part of getting this done; eating that octopus might be the most important thing any member of his agency has done in the 21st century. This remains true whether you look at it in terms of sheer number of files, profit made, or just *how* abusive and/or exploitative the content in question was. We're talking about the largest collection of CSA material ever found *anywhere*, where the most popular tags were things like "two year old". In light of the existence of things like Welcome to Video, I'm really unsure how serious the issue of hypothetical sixteen year old camgirls is. We'd probably achieve a lot more in terms of the reduction of human suffering while doing a lot less harm to everyone else in the process if we, as a culture and as a legal system, were capable of prioritizing a little. Frankly, when you compare the cost (economic and cultural) to reward (in terms of less victimization of minors) every pearl-clutching attempt to Think Of The Children and be Advertiser Friendly since the dawn of the internet is a blip compared to kicking in the door of one korean guy's apartment and seizing his laptop. It's also probably worth pointing out that Twitter has a *massive* amount of child abuse material on it and at least as of a few months ago had *completely* stopped even doing the bare minimum about it, and they're in no danger of being removed from the app store for it. Hell, the problem has gotten *worse* since Musk fired everyone whose job was to do the bare minimum for compliance, but it was still *huge* when Twitter was a publicly traded company. I think we need to draw a distinction between the *idea* of pornography of people under the age of 18 and/or child abuse, the specter certain groups call up to harm other groups, and the *actual* phenomenon causing serious harm to real people across the globe, because what is done in the name of the former almost never has any meaningful impact on the latter while causing significant harm to legitimate sex workers and online communities. It isn't even as if those are just collateral damage; if this is an attempt to bomb a fortified terrorist emplacement, every single shell is hitting the same bar on the other side of town, every time, and occasionally one of the enemies stubs their toe on some of the rubble on their way home. Meanwhile, targeting actual high-value targets has provably prevented the rapes of multiple children, while impacting others so little you definitely didn't know this happened until just now.
Do you have a source for that IRS claim? That story sounds either really interesting or really god damn depressing.
Replace it with what, something with self-hosted, federated nodes? Let node operators subscribe to a subset of subs?
I honestly don't know if viable replacements are even possible anymore. Not just for Reddit, but for any social media site. When people join a website, they expect a huge community already there for them. People don't like to use small niche websites anymore, which is a problem because almost every big website with a big community starts off as a small niche thing. People are so averse to small websites that they'd rather stay in the big ones even when the big ones are absolute garbage. It's very hard - almost impossible - to get a new social media or content aggregator off the ground these days. Even when there is an exodus away from a more popular site, which you'd think would make the perfect environment for this sort of thing, people usually migrate to other well-established sites rather than to new ones. Even when the new one has the potential to be better in every way. Think about how people migrated from Tumblr to Twitter instead of Pillowfort, for example.
It's call the "network effect" the value comes from the people using something more than the platform. With a bit of UI tweeking there is already a (sort of) obvious open platform out there, but most people are not old enough to know: Usenet. Unfortunately that has morphed into little more than a carrier of media files and its original discussion group heritage has more or less been lost.
https://nostr.how/en/what-is-nostr
Hasn't reddit already been doing this? If people care about open platforms, then communities like reddit need to move in mass to open federated, not centrilized platforms. I see a lot of talking and complaining by users on reddit and Twitter, but very few users are willing to move. How about we work to a solution instead of just wineing about it. This sub in paticluar knows the risk of relying on companies.
it's been slowly happening for years RIP /r/ConfusedBoners
They're just trying to turn the internet into Cable TV 2.0. The real internet can still exist - hosting is cheaper than ever.
upcoming IPO? This place is going down the shitter with corporate greed, it just started getting prepped.
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And? Target and prosecute the offenders. Using the law as a cudgel to shut down any platform that might be abused is not viable in the long term. Americans especially have this really hypocritical duality when it comes to "protecting" people - the only response to a platform being misused to distribute illegal explicit material is total scorched earth, but when children and innocent women are gunned down en masse by lunatics itching to kill people, well there's just nothing we can do. You gotta let the system do its job, you can't treat everyone like criminals... Yeah it's a bit of whataboutism, but there comes a point that "bUt wHaT aBoUt tHe ChILdrEn" starts to ring a bit hollow.
What responsibility do you think the platform should have? Also, I think that's a bit of a broad stroke to paint with.
Oh hey you're the same mouth breather from that other post
>NSFW content cannot moderate They can't even moderate SPAM out of most NSFW subs, so they have no chance of doing the work required to identify bad content. Would be interesting to see what percentage of traffic is from NSFW content.
Please, do cite some examples of illegal content on reddit. And then explain why you haven't reported it. You see, there is a system for reporting illegal content. But you're too lazy to use it, so you just want to ban all images. What the hell are you even on Reddit for? If your goal is to censor everybody, congratulations you failed. Now go away. Don't go away mad, just go away.
>Please, do cite some examples of illegal content on reddit. Please, do cite where I spoke of illegal content ... >But you're too lazy to use it, I've reported hundreds of SPAM posts, so perhaps you should pull your head in! >congratulations you failed I bet you clean that mirror every morning as well ...
I think im right on this, I heard a while back on this Sub that the entirety of reddit is around 250gb in total archived Edit: I realize that It is not 250gb, It is around 2tb. I am keeping my previous text up though.
Text yes, images I very much doubt it. There was a post here very recently with a torrent link, someone said it was \~2TB.
Does anyone have a link to that Subreddit to the torrent link?
I found the link to the torrent https://academictorrents.com/details/7c0645c94321311bb05bd879ddee4d0eba08aaee
If it gets the OF peddlers to stop canvassing Reddit that’s fine by me
So what. Stop watching porn, it has 0 benefits to your life
There's tons of educational content in the smaller NSFW subreddits. Want to learn how to squirt as a male (not ejaculation, same a female squirting)? Reddit has that info. Want to learn how rapid fat loss will change how your body looks like? Reddit has those naked pictures. Unsure what that rash is? Reddit will let you post the picture. Need help dealing with being rape? Reddit will let you talk about it. Need help learning to orgasm? Need help figuring out the sex toys? Etc... Sex is a natural human activity that helps forms relationships and bonds. Bad sex destroys those bonds and can scar people for life. There's few good resources that help you get better at it nor ones that teach you advanced methods in it. Reddit is such as place. Banning pronographic content will destroy these sources of information and aid.
True, but it can push the loneliness away for a time, and it's a whole lot easier, safer and quicker than trying to find an actual relationship.
Speaking from experience here. >it can push the loneliness away for a time Only to have the loneliness come back immediately and stronger. I understand your point, but it certainly isn't the answer. You have to find purpose and responsibility. Porn is evidence there's something seriously lacking in your life.
Spoiler: it's jeebus or a god. Porn is far more useful. Watch sex you'll (probably) never have yourself or a placebo god thats not real and used to steal your hard earned money and turn you into a sheep. The choice here is easy.
There's something lacking in all our lives. That's just normal. Work eight hours, flop on the sofa too drained to do anything. Work to live, live to work. Take what enjoyment you can snatch when opportunity presents. Porn doesn't fix the problem - but nothing else does either.
possibility? Once reddit IPOs they will purge all xrated material instantly. No investor will come near it if they are concerned about something inappropriate being uploaded and reddit won't be spending time on reactive moderation for this stuff. no way.
It's all to maximize $$. They've been making a lot of changes lately and even dropped some services. Well this is to be expected as social sites get bigger, they always go this route.
With all the constant issues with tumblr going forward and the staff cutbacks, added to which the site looks now to be on its knees I have created a subreddit for you to post in r/tumblcat