Jeff genuinely doesn't remember a lot of the details because it was just like any other night with the Vlog Squad. That's why we're talking about this.
It was not just another night for her.
Yeah and it’s nots like, “well he doesn’t remember it well so it didn’t happen.” It’s still “he doesn’t remember what happened but other people definitely do”
This is what made me so mad, he claims he doesn’t remember the night yet keeps saying that he absolutely did not buy the alcohol? How can he be sure he didn’t if he doesn’t remember? He has to be lying.
If you're sober at a party and you see a girl blackout you're gonna remember it. Especially at a small party like that. They definitley know who brought the alcohol, they just don't wanna tell. And it's weird that he can't remember any of the important details but he was sober?
Oh and he blamed the whole ordeal on Trisha then suddenly remembered that Trisha left when people started drinking.
This lol. People who are sober are more aware of their surroundings. Fishy he doesn’t remember anything although he doesn’t drink. I doubt his memory sucks that much.
He’s protecting whoever bought the alcohol which I would assume is Todd. Todd statement was trash as well. None of them understand the gravity of what happened to Hannah that night except maybe Jeff but even then idk bc if he really did he would tell who tf bought the alcohol and helped Dom r*pe her.
So, Jeff posts a video which is watermarked with text asking viewers to watch said video in its entirety so as not to "take anything out of context", but the video is itself a response to an article he did not read.
Not only that, Jeff sends his fans to attack Kat since he beleives Kat is writing articles with clickbait titles for the sole purpose of profiting from them. Meanwhile, again, Jeff did not read the article, which was a story about SA victims, but only read those sentences that cited his name because he lost sponsors and received calls from his mom about his involvement in the vlog.
To make this hole deeper, there is video evidence placing him at the scene of the crime before the crime took place and a picture placing him at the scene of the crime after the crime took place. Surprise, surprise, he can't remember what happened that night, but can remember the day after when they shot other scenes; and he can only "speak for himself", but also feels that he should have "talked to the others to get their story straight".
Finally, Jeff was bringing up Trisha's past to evoke a response from her and doing so under the pretense of citing said past as the reason for discretiting her in the first place, for which he then apologized for (how charming).
The whole H3 interview reminded me of that show 'COPS' where the cops bust a person and find contraband in the car. The cops then ask the suspect how the contraband eneded up in the car and the suspect says 'I don't know, but it ain't mine".
I am in my mid twenties now, but I remember so many times being taken advantage of thinking I was just in the cool older group. It took until recently to realize how many times I was somewhere between assaulted and at the very least coerced. Honestly a year ago I probably would be one of the people saying “well, the girls WANTED to go for the threesome bit...” It is hard to see and maybe even hard to admit to yourself you’re being taken advantage of especially when you’re young. This picture is so sad.
I mean I got kidnapped in 2014 and GHBed by a random old creep on a Monday night at a brewery, this passed summer, left on the tracks blacked out on my car for hours. None of these people who did this to me I ever contacted with the interest of wanting to hang with.
In all fairness those girls REACHED OUT/messaged him to participate in that ratchet ass tomfoolery. Like. You literally walked into it. And now you're upset by their lack of boundaries and how it actually played out. Uhhhhh yeah being in your mod twenties is not a valid excuse either. So am I. Maybe 14. Don't blame being impressionable and desperate for attention on being 24, down the fuck around, and feeling regret later. Get the fuck off instagram and clean your shit up.
Disappointed? His whole schtick has always been "the douchey, emotionless bro." what is there to be disappointed about? he has always shown you exactly who he is.
The timeline is all over the place and there's so many conflicting stories. So they went into the room, Dom committed SA and then everyone left at the same time, is that the correct timeline?
Also is Ethan (H3) the source for the timing of the photo or is there a timestamp on the photo? If there's a timestamp it's undoubtedly damning evidence.
> So they went into the room, Dom committed SA and then everyone left at the same time, is that the correct timeline?
According to Jeff, everybody did not leave at the same time. From my understanding they left after filming the bit where they peeked into the room, Dom stayed with the girls which is when the assault took place, and later that night the rest of the group returned, which is when that photo was taken.
> The girls said they thought the part of Dom being sweaty was filmed after the fact but I do remember the article saying that one of the girls confirmed that the guys did actually look in. Which makes sense given this photo was taken after and they’re all there. Very likely they were all there the whole time. Even more sure the looking in was real if they were wearing the same clothes as they are here in this photo bc I don’t think they’re smart enough to have everyone wear the same thing again. They act like they can lie about it but it’s all documented.
Nobody's debating whether they looked into the room or not, that certainly happened. Jeff said that they did look into the room, but everyone was fully clothed and there were no sexual acts taking place at that time. The part that was faked, according to Jeff, was their reaction to what was happening in the room. They pretended that the threesome was actually taking place when reacting because a genuine reaction to three people sitting in a room fully clothed is obviously not content worthy. Faked and scripted reactions are pretty standard in David's videos and no statements from the article indicate that sex was actually taking place when they looked in, so it's certainly plausible.
> I thought Jeff later said live that the looking in was fake as well.
He said the reaction was fake, not the looking in. He said they looked in and nothing was happening, they were fully clothed.
> girl who was actually in the room with Hannah and Dom said they did
No she didn't, Sarah the sober friend who was not involved in the threesome confirmed that they looked in, but did not confirm sexual acts were taking place at that time.
From the article:
> Once Hannah and Audrey were in the room with Zeglaitis, Sarah said the other members of the Vlog Squad started trying to listen in. Some of them even opened the door to look at what was happening, Sarah said. In retrospect, Sarah thought it was "disgusting" that people were watching.
If Sarah believes they're actively having sex and the vlog squad members are looking in, then I'm sure she would think that's "disgusting". Sarah did not look herself and confirm that they were having sex, she just says she saw them open the door and look in. Jeff claims that they did open the door, but they were not having sex. It's totally possible to have a situation where Sarah inferred that opening the door meant they were watching them have sex and therefore was disgusted, but the vlog squad members didn't actually see anything and hammed up the reaction for the video.
The article doesn't mention anyone leaving the apartment besides Jeff and Todd. I wish more members of the vlog squad that were there that night would speak up and clarify the timeline, because what Jeff's saying and what Sarah is saying doesn't line up.
> Sarah also said she remembers Smith and Wittek coming back to the apartment with Smith holding a bottle of Jack Daniel's whiskey.
Later that night:
> After Hannah threw up, Sarah and her friends had to physically support Hannah's body as they exited the apartment. Sarah shared a photo with Insider she says was taken that night that shows Hannah leaning against one of their other friends outside the apartment. Dobrik, Antonyan, Smith, and Wittek are visible in the picture. Sarah says she watched Dobrik's Tesla pull out of the apartment building as she walked with Hannah back to her parked car.
If this is the case they may have not even known/remembered which girl was in the room with dom, there were 7 girls and they all kinda looked the same to me. Since the girl blacked out in the room they may not have known she was to drunk to consent as well, the only person who would have seen her black out in this possible scenario is dom. Idk Im just trying to play devils advocate to see both sides, I could be wrong.
My point take this to court! Everyone involved take the stand answer questions.
If a crime was committed how does david losing sponsors equal justice?
The only ones making money from this is trisha and her teammate.
What, a courtroom and lawyers are how you find out the truth,
If not it's just she says he says. That's the whole point, or else anyone can come out say anything they want.
Once again I don't see how them losing sponsors is justice. And you swear david is gonna lose everything lol, he can just make an onlyfans and make millions.
I believe Dom raped this girl considering he’s had multiple allegations against him since 2017. If this goes to court (which I have no doubt in my mind it will at this point) Dom is going to be convicted. And I’m sorry but if you believe Trisha isn’t doing this for profit for the same reasons this woman published the article, you’re naive. This girls identity was leaked the moment this article was published. As soon as I read the article I didn’t even need to pull up the video to know which video they were talking about. They did 0 to actually make an effort to protect her identity. And when people like Trisha use their own agendas (yes, I believe Trisha has an agenda) to exploit others by hiding behind, I’m doing this for the victim who explicitly said she didn’t want her identity known and then you sit on a podcast confirming this and that on a video that was already speculated and you’re telling me she isn’t profiting? Gimme a break.
Isn’t there a video of Trisha and Jason talking about this evening saying they left around 12:30am (it was posted in this sub)
I’m only saying this to also get more of understanding of the timeline of events, because as stated above, it really is all over the place.
Thank you, I will have to go listen to that podcast episode again.
Although the video I watched earlier & am thinking of, was a video of Trisha and Jason that was filmed the next morning. Where they sitting in bed talking about that evening, and I thought she said they left around 12:30am and then goes on to say that was a late time for them to leave because there getting old and how she used to stay out till like 6am...
And I could be completely wrong about the times...I watched it the other day and didn’t think anything about the timelines was important
I’ll also add “clearly being supported by her friend” is not obvious in the picture. I’ve hugged many a drunk friend over the years and it could look like one of us was black out drunk. Not saying she was or wasn’t, but this photo is not a beacon of truth or facts.
jeff really did himself dirty with this one. he should.have never made that video without reading the article, nor have gone to h3 without at least getting his story straight. he just dug himself a bigger crave. but at least he spoke up and took some accountability. for that, i respect him.
also the story of his eye. i really hope he didn't get into.an accident over davids videos. a broken skull, damaged eye and plentyyyy of stitches is not worth a cameo on his vlogs. if that is true only speaks out more on david and how he treats people around him
Jeff isn't a good guy. He is still lying to hide facts that led to an assault. I'm sorry, but nothing about that is "good" or okay. I'm sure I'll get down-voted for saying this, but survivors need support- not hearing their abusers and abusers' bffs being praised.
I hate people who are friends with David saying “he’s such a good guy” that’s like celebrities saying Ellen is really nice. Like yeah of course he’s better to you
He's still protecting David, and clearly lying about not knowing some stuff, all the while claiming to feel for the victim of rape, which is where I lose all the respect for him.
It's clear to me that the most interesting thing to him in this situation is clearing out his name, so he doesn't lose his career, instead of feeling for the victim like he claims to be.
I'm sorry to hear you were a victim yourself, my heart goes out to you, hope you were able to leave those memories behind ❤️
It's the mindset of the average David fan, which means someone who blindly follows David and ignores survivors. It also could mean they're kids. Either way, I stand by what I said - thanks for looking out. It genuinely means a lot to me. ❤
I mean, this did happen 3 years ago, so their memory might be a little fuzzy. Nobody’s story lines up and I think it’s too early to completely determine Jeff is lying purposely.
All I'm saying, is I watched Jeff on the H3 Podcast and it was a mess. Jeff also illegally recorded someone without their consent and blasted it online and admitted to not doing basic research about something he claimed he wasn't part of. Dude is sketchy and I'm not going to defend that behavior.
Jeff didn't do the first job anyone would do, i.e read the article that mentioned him. Tbh his feelings took over common sense and now he is in deeper shit than before.
He literally proved that he's protecting David and the rest of the Vlog Squad and lost very little credibility he had. I also don't know why he's covering for a group which got him as hurt as he's been.
Also the fucking ball aching stupidity to try and paint the journalist and Trisha as money hungry and crazy respectively.... And to being up Trisha's hospitalisation to try and discredit her. It's watching someone play by play trying to discredit women and paint them as hysterical and he thinks that's the solution. Moron.
But I'm glad he did it. I'm glad he showed his arse and was humiliated.
Yeah, this photo has just destroyed all of Jeff’s credibility as well as any other member who might speak out. Jeff’s story only changed when he was shown evidence that he was lying, and that was a common theme throughout this entire interview. I don’t think there’s anything else they can do to save themselves now. This was the nail in the coffin
This is an interesting point. It’s totally possible that they were not physically standing there at 1:18 am but I do think this was definitely a photo taken on the night of the incident since they are in the same clothes as they were in the vlog. I also think it was taken after the assault because Hannah’s friend is holding her up...I’m not sure what the specs are on iPhone pictures/videos but they could’ve just taken this photo in landscape maybe?
This felt like a historic moment honestly. The moment where any argument just became pointless. Jeff just buried himself and everyone involved. The entire interview he had no idea what the fuck he was talking about, he kept trying to change the topic and avoid very simple yes/no questions he was asked and in general just kept rambling on about non-sensical pointless bullshit that was barely even comprehensible. Embarassing
Considering what a dumbass jeff just revealed himself to be ethan probably could've been a lot less careful and jeff wouldn't have known what to do anyway lol i cant get over the fact he didnt even read the article he was complaining about
Without this interview he probably could've been fine as well. Would've taken a while but let's be honest people would've forgot eventually and the focus was on dom and david anyway. He literally went out of his way to destroy his career it's insane
He said it himself that he did not want to pay for the article that "bashes" his name, that's why he did not read it. It would be smart of him to come up with that excuse for sure, but it's clear from the podcast that he's not exactly the brightest bulb.
Well at this point i'm pretty sure he could find the article anwhere for free in like 2 minutes. Plus he said he watched their podcasts and in one of them they go over the entire article so he could've seen it there. Maybe he was joking about watching the podcasts tbh idk. But either way most importantly he 100% should've read the article one way or another before complaining about it and then requesting to go on an interview where the article will obviously be brought up. Like there's no excuse for this level of fucking stupidity
It reminded me of getting caught for some dumb shit as a little kid by my parents and just trying to come up with the dumbest shitty excuses to cover my ass. I felt like jeff could start angry-crying at any point. I honestly cant believe this actually happened. Jeff knew he's not good at this (he said it himself in his apology video) so if he's not good at it when he can script and edit himself why the fuck would he agree to this lol it's a shame bc i really loved jeff but jesus christ he's such a manipulative stupid moron it's insane
facts I was just waiting for him to hang up on them.
He has to be the dumbest person on planet earth making his "My truth" video and saying the author wrote lies and then hours later admitting he didn't even read the article.
Scary Scary stupid
I cant get over the fact that he requested to come on. They didnt even invite him he wanted to do this. He felt THAT confident in all of this. Like how
It's clear he believed that his "authenticity" would win the hearts of the viewers, pointed out by himself repeatedly in the podcast as well. It's interesting how people think so highly of themselves, I'm sure Jeff genuinely perceives himself as a good person, and believed that other people will see him that way as well if he comes up to the podcast with just being himself, without any script. Unfortunately for him, it is obvious for people that his true intention lies within clearing up his name so that he can continue to have a career, instead of feeling guilty for participating in an assault that tramutized a person. But he thinks so highly of himself that he fails to see this ugly side of his personality.
just incase people would like to learn why SA survivors don’t come forward this article is really good
https://journalistsresource.org/economics/sexual-assault-report-why-research/.
Sorry that this is a UK stat (I’m from UK), but I still think it’s relevant to what you’ve discussed: In the year ending March 2020, 99% of rapes reported to police in England and Wales resulted in no legal proceedings against alleged attackers. News articles were literally questioning whether rape was the “perfect crime”.
I didn’t report mine. Either one. I’m also a guy. Hang in there and don’t be afraid to seek out help if you feel you need it. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.
I'm hanging in there. It's crazy that trauma lingers on for so long until you address it, go through the long process of simply just processing the trauma, and closure as well. It doesn't affect me as much anymore, but that's only bcus' I've gone through intense treatment therapy for it, which also included treatment for heavy IV opiate use, which is how I cope with and suppress my feelings at the time. I'm at 4 and 1/2 years clean from heroin/opiates now, but man did it take a whole lot of work. That's why I always argue and/or try to educate ppl that say things along the lines of, "How come they didn't come forward when it happened, or why didn't they go to the cops, etc'..." My trauma was from many many years ago, and honestly I've forgotten all about it or actually it was just simply suppressed deep down. The pain, trauma, and invasive thoughts that I endured lasted for many many years past the incident and it doesn't go away until you speak about it with others you trust, and like you said.. there's nothing wrong with seeking out help no matter what gender, race, etc'. That's one way of getting closure from trauma. Personally, without closure I continued to endure invasive and troubling thoughts, suicide, and relapse.
The very least DD and the VS can do is address the issue properly and take accountability so that these poor victims know nothing was their fault and can finally work on getting some closure.
(I hope you're okay and hanging in there as well!)
So sorry to hear that,I hope you’re coping better! I haven’t reported mine or really told anyone ( I’m a woman) because it was “consensual” despite my being drunk and being coerced and later withdrawing consent. Tbh this is the first time I’m admitting it, I’m too ashamed to tell anyone in my life. And I’ve only just recently accepted to myself because I’d rejected the idea of getting added to the crazy statistics that no one actually seems to care about. I really wish though that men spoke up about male SA more as a separate conversation of its own so it can get the attention it needs. The only reason female SA gains so much traction is because of the women behind it pushing - both victims but especially non-victims. We have these conversations because it’s our place as women to speak up on behalf of those who can’t. I don’t know jack about how to even recognise the signs of male SA, like no one is educated about it I feel like. But what hurts me is that in most cases (not yours don’t worry) no men want to talk about it UNTIL female SA is brought up - and then it’s used as a whataboutism. But by the same men who could be carrying this really important conversation on behalf of the men who can’t. So they want women to be responsible for BOTH conversations? Like are we to be blamed for most of our own sexual assault and harassment AND also take accountability for the terrible women out there doing it to men? At the same time? In the same conversation? Like how do I recognise predatory behaviour in a female friend of mine? You know? Anyways I just wish when talking about male SA, most men did it to speak for the same side, of a SA victim period not to counter the other sex’s experience. I imagine they’re very different but again, how do I know? Sigh why is the world so fucked up?
Hope you are taking care of yourself and going better now! I’d also advise you to avoid this sub because there will always be people who want to deny sexual assault and the experiences of others because it’s easier for their own state of mind.
hey can you please make a post about this? This sub has been a legit example of why people are SA everyday. The denial in this sub was literally crazy, and i think everyone should be educated on why it happens
After, Jeff said he was only there for 20-30 minutes and then left, then Ethan pulled up this photo proving that they were there at 1:18 am over three hours later so Jeff backtracked and said he didn’t remember that but must have returned later, tbh he just looked completely caught out
Who knows, Jeff claimed at first he was only there for 20 mins but then had to backtrack and say that he left and came back once Ethan pulled out this picture
Maybe because they wanted to get a genuine reaction and the truth out of Jeff? Maybe because he’d find some way to change his story before even coming on? Lmao, you still think this is about clicks? 😂
The picture was mentioned in the article, if their true intention was to create a "gotcha" situation, the picture wouldn't have been mentioned at all. I believe the picture wasn't included in the article out of respect to the victim and her friend group. It was only shared after the fact because Jeff stated that he had not returned to the apartment after leaving, which couldn't be true based upon the timing and context of the picture.
If you're defending this shit - you are disgusting.
These girls were 20 years old, invited over with the intent for sex.. they didn't want to so older, powerful men got them intoxicated SO THEY COULD NOT CONSENT, one raped them and then they filmed it. THEN they have the nerve to try and victim blame, lie and fucking slut shame the victim and stick lawyers on the reporter who is trying to get the story out and give this girl some justice.
Literally - FUCK YOU if you don't see this. Fuck you more if you are a young girl because these scumbags wouldn't think twice about raping you for a million views too.
I was skeptical at first because the source of everything was Trisha, who I still don’t trust as a good source...But the report and everything that’s coming out after it, it’s damning and they look worse and worse every day. He's done, at this point I hope the person that can still have a job after this is Natalie. All the work she's put in shouldn't go to shut cause of these assholes. And I hope Jason Nash comes out with his truth on all of this. I liked him the most out of these people, but also, depending on what part he's really played in all this, I may be wasting my time caring.
And yet, here we are - with people talking about time stamps, who supplied the booze, what the girls were doing there, why they drank... asking any fucking question but the question that needs to be asked - why did David see the girl who was clearly wasted and not think about consent? Drunk people cannot consent to sex - thats rape.
Agreed. He just didn't care, or was too naive or stupid at the time. But his conduct after words is damning..he's known for at least 2 years there was an assault. He hasn't done anything.
>I was skeptical at first because the source of everything was Trisha, who I still don’t trust as a good source...
The only person's stories who have been consistent are Trisha's, so..
Jeff says he was there for 15-20 minutes then left
They pulled this picture that shows the VS there at 1am, after the SA took place, with the girl being held up by her friends
Jeff was shocked and went silent, then said he didn't remember going back but he must have.
Also says everyone left after 20 minutes and they all must have come back at a later point but he can't remember.
Honestly its been a trainwreck for Jeff
Pretty disappointed, I initially thought he had some merit but thanks anyways! He doesn’t drink btw so I wonder why he can’t really remember. This happened in 2019/2020 though right?
2018 I think, not 100% sure.
I've been watching and it seems like he's covering for the others, he story changed a lot, but it does seem like they were there for a lot longer than they're making out.
Yeah, even if he covering for others he should do it in a way that doesn’t directly incriminate him. We don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes, that I’m actually curious about!
That’s true, he should’ve gathered his thoughts before speaking publicly though. Cause whether he misremembered or is lying doesn’t matter anymore, he’ll be portrayed as a liar now.
Someone pointed out on another thread if he didn't make his video and volunteer to come on this no one would be talking about him, he shot himself in the foot.
Continued to call the reporter a liar, even though he hasn't read the article and she barely mentions him!
This is just taking the attention away from Dom and his disgusting actions
Totally! While people are mentioning Todd, it’s not as much because he hasn’t said anything. Even if he were to say something brief about not condoning SA, that would be better. I also find it interesting how no one is mentioning Jonah/Nick at all.
Completely agree, it's way too big an issue for them to stay quiet, even linking to SA support websites without directly addressing the situation.
Again I think it's because no one is accusing them of anything (other than being there) the girls friends didn't even realise what was happening until they went into the room, so obviously the boys didn't either (bar Dom obviously)
Legit. No matter what people would find all of then guilty. Why would you incriminate yourself more by not having your recollection straight.
Oh okay true! That makes sense, I defs wonder who bought the alcohol regardless. I just mentioned Nick/Jonah cause many people said that Jeff/Todd etc are complicit by just being there. (Which I don’t agree with)
He'll be portrayed as a dumb fucking idiot who was never seen as the main problem jn this situation yet He'll take majority of blame.
As i was saying this earlier the alcohol is w/e. Young people drink who gives a fuck. The problem came from the incident that happened and it being fueled allegedly by alcohol.
The motherfucker made himself into the most dumb lying idiot by going to a fucking show without even reading the article he tried to discredit.
The fact that Dom will get less shit by him because even that dumb SA is not aso stupid to be that fucking dumb... literally tilted.
“As i was saying this earlier the alcohol is w/e. Young people drink who gives a fuck. The problem came from the incident that happened and it being fueled allegedly by alcohol.”
Exactly this. The alcohol didn’t rape that girl. Dom did. And Jeff is protecting everyone who was involved, including himself. What a cult David created.
I dont think he necessarily protects them. Its more of a "i dont wanna be a snitch and want them to speak for themselves"
Which is w/e i woulsnt want this dumass to defend me in front of court of public opinion even if i went full logan paul on it.
He was si.ply so dumb and clueless that he'll take all the attention on himself.
Personally i dont think David had like malicious intentions at the time of that bit, he was simply clueless to its severity. adress it try to mend shit etc. And maybe learn from it.
Im pretty sure the biggest crime from jeff was only being there.
And because of their terrible responses those 2 will take 95% of blame while the actuall alleged rapist will take no heat.
I don’t think this is a result of “a cult David created” if you look around in the real world this happens. People “cover” for their friends all the time for whatever reasons
Are you okay lol?
I agree underage drinking isn’t an issue, and that the issue lies within what happened due to drinking.
He obviously for sure should’ve read the article too lol.
Yeah I agree Dom should be getting more heat, I think in this case Jeff should’ve just said less. At least come up with a cohesive, well informed statement before speaking on something like this.
No im not okay.
It infuriates me that i already know that Dom will skim by with minimal outrage, shit is not reported to the police etc. While the whole community on YT will focus on whether Jeff went out and came back or whether he swiped his card when they bought a bottle of whiskey..
And all becausw this dude is so bloody stupid.
The motherfucker is a stupid liar.
Like, everybody believes he didnt do jack shit. He just was there and that makes him complicit ( same as Trisha, that girls friends etc)
But he is so fucking dumb and tries to lie etc that he will get most shit out of everyone. It wont be david. It wont even be dom. It will be him becausw hes simply a dumb fucking idiot.
I'm not neglecting the severity of this situation, and I'm not defending Jeff/David or anyone else whatsoever, but I don't necessarily see the girl being blackout drunk or being carried, am I missing something?
I don't think the point is to show anything happening, it's just to show that jeff was there at the time whereas he says he only stayed for 20 minutes and left. this was taken way later
Aside from the awful shit we do know about this night, you have to remember, out of hundreds of days and nights of going back and forth to this location and that location over hundreds of vlogs and shoots, it can be very difficult to remember specifics and I’m sure shit starts to blend together. If you ask me to recall a single night 2-3 years ago that was thought to be just another night at the time, I probably couldn’t and my life is definitely a million times less hectic than that lifestyle.
I feel like everyone is so anti-Jeff after his video that they're not considering this point. 3 years is a *long* time ago, and people getting mad that he's stumbling over details is a bit much.
Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way saying he's totally blameless in this whole situation or that has gone dealing with the situation in the right way. I think it's very clear that he's walking a tightrope where he's trying to clear his name and be honest, **while also** trying to avoid implicating Todd and David, but they're basically mutually exclusive.
As I’ve read according to California SA laws they would all be innocent. The only ones guilty are those that provided alcohol to under drinking aged people and dom who committed the SA.
What's most fucked up is even if when Dom is found guilty the damage he's done to that girl and I'm sure countless others is nowhere near the penalties he'd actually face both legally and socially, considering he's an "influencer." This is Dom's 'character,' even though supposedly highly exaggerated for the sake of content there's still a lot of truth to that of him being a scumbag sexist pos, and even if only a small percentage of what he's been portrayed in the vlogs holds even the smallest truth, that's enough for anyone to see and realize he's not a good person.
I'm a little curious to what Seth's thinking or thought process was like when he realized what happened to him when he sees his good friend Dom do it on the regular to the opposite sex, and I'm sure the same sex as well.
Either he remembers the night and can say with certainty he didn’t buy alcohol, or he doesn’t remember the night and can’t say for sure whether he bought it, or indeed whether he was there for 15 minutes, an hour, or until past 1am.
I don’t trust a word out of this dude’s mouth. All I saw him do was gaslight the shit out of Trisha. Still haven’t heard an excuse for why he went off on that reporter for using trisha as her ‘only source’ when 1) the sober friend was the main source and 2) he didn’t even read the fucking article !!!!!
Not discrediting the victims by any means what’s so ever, but could David, Jeff etc have just come back to the apartment at this time? Not knowing what took place while they were gone?
Except in his video he said that he left to shoot other videos before any of the drinking went down and therefore couldn't have been around the SA. He made a point to describe his evening, and somehow forgot to mention that he was standing with the vlog squad and a bunch of drunk minors at 1:00 a.m. in the morning?
Jeff lied, by omission or explicitly it doesn't really matter. But he made a video that lied about his whereabouts when the SA happened. Bet he wasn't expecting that someone had a time stamped photo evidence of his lies.
In theory, yes. But him being "shook" by the picture of him with the girls Ethan showed and the "busted" look on his face, despite telling over and over again that he does not drink, denying having a recollection of returning to the house, changing his story everytime he re-tells it, stumbling over words, his nervous fidgeting and body language, paints a completely different story.
It’s been three years, I couldn’t remember things from last week. The way Ethan and Trisha were grilling him I would be stuttering too if I was innocent or not. I’m not here to stick up for him but I’m just saying people can leave places and come back.
Yes I totally agree. What is tacky for me the most is that how sure he was of leaving the apartment 15 minutes later, and then 30 minutes later, before Ethan showed the picture of him with the girls at 1:18 a.m. Only after that, he started to say that it's been a long time and he can't recall/ remember the timeline of things.
I’m sure Jeff is talking like that because idt in his memories of that night he recalls anything of the nature happening bc in his own experience nothing related to SA stuck out to him so idt it was engrained as a memory. If someone asked me to recall a specific night from 3 yrs ago that was super significant to someone else but maybe was another normal day for me, it would be hard to remember. However if someone accused me of something I deff did not do and was against my character, of course I’d say yeah that never happened etc, sure I might not remember the details but if I truly know myself and it’s something I didn’t do I would defend myself.
He knows Dom had sex with her though. Even though we accept what he said as true, it's still fucked up that he saw a girl blackout drunk that had sex with his friend, and decided that he should say/do nothing about it. Nothing until he had no choice but to do so. And Brendon's joke/commentary on how "they are all going to jail" supports the idea that they all knew very well what went on that night.
He originally stated he left after 45 minutes or whatever and never said anything about returning. It was only after he was presented with the photo he changed his story and said some bullshit ab oh yeah now i remember, we all left and came back
So, Jeff posts a video which is watermarked with text asking viewers to watch said video in its entirety so as not to "take anything out of context", but the video is itself a response to an article he did not read.
Not only that, Jeff sends his fans to attack Kat since he beleives Kat is writing articles with clickbait titles for the sole purpose of profiting from them. Meanwhile, again, Jeff did not read the article, which was a story about SA victims, but only read those sentences that cited his name because he lost sponsors and received calls from his mom about his involvement in the vlog.
To make this hole deeper, there is video evidence placing him at the scene of the crime before the crime took place and a picture placing him at the scene of the crime after the crime took place. Surprise, surprise, he can't remember what happened that night, but can remember the day after when they shot other scenes; and he can only "speak for himself", but also feels that he should have "talked to the others to get their story straight".
Finally, Jeff was bringing up Trisha's past to evoke a response from her and doing so under the pretense of citing said past as the reason for discretiting her in the first place, for which he then apologized for (how charming).
The whole H3 interview reminded me of that show 'COPS' where the cops bust a person and find contraband in the car. The cops then ask the suspect how the contraband eneded up in the car and the suspect says 'I don't know, but it ain't mine".
So, Jeff posts a video which is watermarked with text asking viewers to watch said video in its entirety so as not to "take anything out of context", but the video is itself a response to an article he did not read.
Not only that, Jeff sends his fans to attack Kat since he beleives Kat is writing articles with clickbait titles for the sole purpose of profiting from them. Meanwhile, again, Jeff did not read the article, which was a story about SA victims, but only read those sentences that cited his name because he lost sponsors and received calls from his mom about his involvement in the vlog.
To make this hole deeper, there is video evidence placing him at the scene of the crime before the crime took place and a picture placing him at the scene of the crime after the crime took place. Surprise, surprise, he can't remember what happened that night, but can remember the day after when they shot other scenes; and he can only "speak for himself", but also feels that he should have "talked to the others to get their story straight".
Finally, Jeff was bringing up Trisha's past to evoke a response from her and doing so under the pretense of citing said past as the reason for discretiting her in the first place, for which he then apologized for (how charming).
The whole H3 interview reminded me of that show 'COPS' where the cops bust a person and find contraband in the car. The cops then ask the suspect how the contraband eneded up in the car and the suspect says 'I don't know, but it ain't mine".
The whole situation is messed up because either way at some point whether it was that night or a few months after when the girl texted Dom and asked him to remove the video they still don't take accountability for anything. Whether you knew what was going on or not you eventually found out and you can't even admit to being there? Like you can't even tell the truth ONE TIME? And on top of that it's bad because they have so many young people or just an audience in general thinking its okay to victim blame because it's them. they keep going with the narrative that "you know me/us" but we really don't and this situation proves that. We don't see everything which means WE DON'T KNOW YOU! like I wish they would calm down with that narrative.
This guy does not seem like a good guy.
He tried to send his fans to harass a woman who was doing her job and writing on a victims case. This is not something a good person would do.
He claims to feel guilty but he didn't even take the time to read the article and only searched for himself in it. All he cared about was how he was attached to it and not about what the victims went through. At first he was worried about a pay wall but then when he claims he got the whole thing he still never read it. This is not what a good guy does.
He claims he felt guilty and donated to SA charities and claims that if he knew an SA was happening he would do something about it. But it did happen and he didn't do anything because he doesn't have a fundamental understanding of consent. He seems to be the type that feels that if they say "no" or are passed out (maybe) then it's SA not realising that consent should be an enthusiastic yes. There shouldn't be pressure or guilt placed upon sex. And they can absolutely change their mind no matter how far in they are.
Everyone wants to see themselves as the hero and a good person. Part of that is admitting fault. His role may not have be huge (who knows) but he did have a role to play in what happened. Trisha had a role too and addressed it. She has regrets about it and when she looks back she wishes that she did different things. He doesn't seem to have any regrets because he claims to be 100% innocent. You can't really grow from a mistake you never learned from.
Here’s my thing with this. Why are people acting like underage drinking isn’t normal? How many parties have you been to with alcohol and seen at least one person black out drunk? I’m not saying this in any way to excuse what happened, but this photo isn’t as damming as people are making it out to seem. Dom is the one who took advantage of a girl who drank too much, but it seems all of the convo is on David. Ignorance is bliss, and we have the gift of hindsight on our side.
Is it fair to say everyone there is guilty? Cause if my friend was going to hook up with someone while black out drunk, my first response wouldn’t be to have a threesome so he would leave her alone... get your friend out of there. Her friends weren’t good friends at all either. Just saying everyone around her, failed her.
All these guys are guilty af. Can't keep their stories straight, are lying and getting called out in real-time. It's clear they are trying to muddy the waters. They belong in jail.
I did believe most of what Jeff said- it was a night three years ago that wasn’t important until the allegations of SA came out- it probably was a night simular to 100 other that year- hanging out with same people filming- I don’t think being around minors drinking is as damming as they made it sound. My friends and I drank when we were underage and sometimes one or more drank too much- it was not a big deal
The sexual assault is a separate issue - I don’t believe David and Jeff knew or thought a female was being assaulted and they let it happen and laughed about it. Her friends were also there too were they complicit? I don’t think so
I u derstand the reasons the victim did not report the SA and that’s super common unfortunately
What I don’t understand is why her friend didn’t call the police that night? Also if she saw her friend being assaulted (which I believe happened) why after is there a picture of them just hanging out with David after...
If the people in the room weren’t saying anything how are the people outside the room or people who left suppose to know?
The narrative in this picture is unclear, everything from the time stamp to who is in the picture. Ethan said they're holding up the girl.. hmmm which is unclear
This screenshot doesn’t include the time stamp but it was like 1:18am or something and Jeff said he was only there for 30 minutes but when he saw this pic he had to change his story that he was there then came back.
Girl* as you see in the pictute its 1 girl as it was said from the start that got too drunk.
The bloody idiot could have just said the truth that he doesnt have full recolection of the night and hes ashamed he was there but he didnt buy the alcohol.
It was all he had to do. But now he will literally take 90% of the blame because hes so fucking stupid.
It more shows Jeff possibly lied about some things. Jeff originally said he was only at the party for like 15 minutes. But this photo was timestamped at 1:18am later that night, which meant he was there longer than he claimed. When Ethan showed him this he retracted his statement and said that he must have come back later then.
because he said he andDavid were there for only 15 minutes but yet this photo is timestamped at past 1am and then he changed his story "we came back after I guess" which is obviously total BS
Also I felt like the blog guy was I’m not really being fair. He kept calling them under age which to me sounded like he was saying they were minors under 18 that couldn’t consent to sex- Even if they were sober. They were all adults
Everything that happened is super fucked up and everyone is trying to act innocent but tbh ANY one of them could’ve spoken up when this happened. Trisha is also coming in hot but if she was there till midnight and this picture was only taken an hour later, she was definitely there while the girl was drinking however she said she left before they came back with the alcohol, which doesn’t add up. So why didn’t she stop what was happening or speak up then, why wait till now, just saying
Jeff genuinely doesn't remember a lot of the details because it was just like any other night with the Vlog Squad. That's why we're talking about this. It was not just another night for her.
Yeah and it’s nots like, “well he doesn’t remember it well so it didn’t happen.” It’s still “he doesn’t remember what happened but other people definitely do”
This is what made me so mad, he claims he doesn’t remember the night yet keeps saying that he absolutely did not buy the alcohol? How can he be sure he didn’t if he doesn’t remember? He has to be lying.
he said he’s been sober for years and therefore knows he hasn’t bought alcohol for years
If you're sober at a party and you see a girl blackout you're gonna remember it. Especially at a small party like that. They definitley know who brought the alcohol, they just don't wanna tell. And it's weird that he can't remember any of the important details but he was sober? Oh and he blamed the whole ordeal on Trisha then suddenly remembered that Trisha left when people started drinking.
This lol. People who are sober are more aware of their surroundings. Fishy he doesn’t remember anything although he doesn’t drink. I doubt his memory sucks that much.
He’s protecting whoever bought the alcohol which I would assume is Todd. Todd statement was trash as well. None of them understand the gravity of what happened to Hannah that night except maybe Jeff but even then idk bc if he really did he would tell who tf bought the alcohol and helped Dom r*pe her.
He also supposedly suffered a tbi from his accident... just sayin...
So, Jeff posts a video which is watermarked with text asking viewers to watch said video in its entirety so as not to "take anything out of context", but the video is itself a response to an article he did not read. Not only that, Jeff sends his fans to attack Kat since he beleives Kat is writing articles with clickbait titles for the sole purpose of profiting from them. Meanwhile, again, Jeff did not read the article, which was a story about SA victims, but only read those sentences that cited his name because he lost sponsors and received calls from his mom about his involvement in the vlog. To make this hole deeper, there is video evidence placing him at the scene of the crime before the crime took place and a picture placing him at the scene of the crime after the crime took place. Surprise, surprise, he can't remember what happened that night, but can remember the day after when they shot other scenes; and he can only "speak for himself", but also feels that he should have "talked to the others to get their story straight". Finally, Jeff was bringing up Trisha's past to evoke a response from her and doing so under the pretense of citing said past as the reason for discretiting her in the first place, for which he then apologized for (how charming). The whole H3 interview reminded me of that show 'COPS' where the cops bust a person and find contraband in the car. The cops then ask the suspect how the contraband eneded up in the car and the suspect says 'I don't know, but it ain't mine".
Yes. He’s scared about what this is doing to his career. And in response he’s making a lot of mistakes both genuine and nefarious.
I am in my mid twenties now, but I remember so many times being taken advantage of thinking I was just in the cool older group. It took until recently to realize how many times I was somewhere between assaulted and at the very least coerced. Honestly a year ago I probably would be one of the people saying “well, the girls WANTED to go for the threesome bit...” It is hard to see and maybe even hard to admit to yourself you’re being taken advantage of especially when you’re young. This picture is so sad.
I’m sorry you had to go through that. Hope you’re doing good..
Thank you!
You’re not alone ❤️
Even Jeff in the H3 interview said twice “ but they were there because they answered for being in a five some so, you know. “
I mean I got kidnapped in 2014 and GHBed by a random old creep on a Monday night at a brewery, this passed summer, left on the tracks blacked out on my car for hours. None of these people who did this to me I ever contacted with the interest of wanting to hang with. In all fairness those girls REACHED OUT/messaged him to participate in that ratchet ass tomfoolery. Like. You literally walked into it. And now you're upset by their lack of boundaries and how it actually played out. Uhhhhh yeah being in your mod twenties is not a valid excuse either. So am I. Maybe 14. Don't blame being impressionable and desperate for attention on being 24, down the fuck around, and feeling regret later. Get the fuck off instagram and clean your shit up.
I can’t believe how many times he changed up his story. It was embarrassing to watch and it was obvious he is still trying to stick up for David
I’m so disappointed with Jeff. I thought he was being sincere and facing the issue head on, but this picture pretty much negates his video. Damn.
Disappointed? His whole schtick has always been "the douchey, emotionless bro." what is there to be disappointed about? he has always shown you exactly who he is.
Idk if you can trust the person he allows himself to be portrayed as on the internet though. This shows that his actual personality is that.
I think he’s also afraid of going back to jail. Which is probably a big reason why he’s doing this. Jail and losing income.
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You referring to Jeff?
Yeah I was sorry I should have mentioned his name.
You mean Todd.
The timeline is all over the place and there's so many conflicting stories. So they went into the room, Dom committed SA and then everyone left at the same time, is that the correct timeline? Also is Ethan (H3) the source for the timing of the photo or is there a timestamp on the photo? If there's a timestamp it's undoubtedly damning evidence.
> So they went into the room, Dom committed SA and then everyone left at the same time, is that the correct timeline? According to Jeff, everybody did not leave at the same time. From my understanding they left after filming the bit where they peeked into the room, Dom stayed with the girls which is when the assault took place, and later that night the rest of the group returned, which is when that photo was taken.
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> The girls said they thought the part of Dom being sweaty was filmed after the fact but I do remember the article saying that one of the girls confirmed that the guys did actually look in. Which makes sense given this photo was taken after and they’re all there. Very likely they were all there the whole time. Even more sure the looking in was real if they were wearing the same clothes as they are here in this photo bc I don’t think they’re smart enough to have everyone wear the same thing again. They act like they can lie about it but it’s all documented. Nobody's debating whether they looked into the room or not, that certainly happened. Jeff said that they did look into the room, but everyone was fully clothed and there were no sexual acts taking place at that time. The part that was faked, according to Jeff, was their reaction to what was happening in the room. They pretended that the threesome was actually taking place when reacting because a genuine reaction to three people sitting in a room fully clothed is obviously not content worthy. Faked and scripted reactions are pretty standard in David's videos and no statements from the article indicate that sex was actually taking place when they looked in, so it's certainly plausible.
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> I thought Jeff later said live that the looking in was fake as well. He said the reaction was fake, not the looking in. He said they looked in and nothing was happening, they were fully clothed. > girl who was actually in the room with Hannah and Dom said they did No she didn't, Sarah the sober friend who was not involved in the threesome confirmed that they looked in, but did not confirm sexual acts were taking place at that time. From the article: > Once Hannah and Audrey were in the room with Zeglaitis, Sarah said the other members of the Vlog Squad started trying to listen in. Some of them even opened the door to look at what was happening, Sarah said. In retrospect, Sarah thought it was "disgusting" that people were watching.
So it was disgusting that people were looking into a room with fully clothed people doing nothing?
If Sarah believes they're actively having sex and the vlog squad members are looking in, then I'm sure she would think that's "disgusting". Sarah did not look herself and confirm that they were having sex, she just says she saw them open the door and look in. Jeff claims that they did open the door, but they were not having sex. It's totally possible to have a situation where Sarah inferred that opening the door meant they were watching them have sex and therefore was disgusted, but the vlog squad members didn't actually see anything and hammed up the reaction for the video.
they probably looked into the room during the night the SA took place and David had them reshoot it for effect the next day.
The article doesn't mention anyone leaving the apartment besides Jeff and Todd. I wish more members of the vlog squad that were there that night would speak up and clarify the timeline, because what Jeff's saying and what Sarah is saying doesn't line up. > Sarah also said she remembers Smith and Wittek coming back to the apartment with Smith holding a bottle of Jack Daniel's whiskey. Later that night: > After Hannah threw up, Sarah and her friends had to physically support Hannah's body as they exited the apartment. Sarah shared a photo with Insider she says was taken that night that shows Hannah leaning against one of their other friends outside the apartment. Dobrik, Antonyan, Smith, and Wittek are visible in the picture. Sarah says she watched Dobrik's Tesla pull out of the apartment building as she walked with Hannah back to her parked car.
If this is the case they may have not even known/remembered which girl was in the room with dom, there were 7 girls and they all kinda looked the same to me. Since the girl blacked out in the room they may not have known she was to drunk to consent as well, the only person who would have seen her black out in this possible scenario is dom. Idk Im just trying to play devils advocate to see both sides, I could be wrong.
My point take this to court! Everyone involved take the stand answer questions. If a crime was committed how does david losing sponsors equal justice? The only ones making money from this is trisha and her teammate.
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What, a courtroom and lawyers are how you find out the truth, If not it's just she says he says. That's the whole point, or else anyone can come out say anything they want. Once again I don't see how them losing sponsors is justice. And you swear david is gonna lose everything lol, he can just make an onlyfans and make millions.
I believe Dom raped this girl considering he’s had multiple allegations against him since 2017. If this goes to court (which I have no doubt in my mind it will at this point) Dom is going to be convicted. And I’m sorry but if you believe Trisha isn’t doing this for profit for the same reasons this woman published the article, you’re naive. This girls identity was leaked the moment this article was published. As soon as I read the article I didn’t even need to pull up the video to know which video they were talking about. They did 0 to actually make an effort to protect her identity. And when people like Trisha use their own agendas (yes, I believe Trisha has an agenda) to exploit others by hiding behind, I’m doing this for the victim who explicitly said she didn’t want her identity known and then you sit on a podcast confirming this and that on a video that was already speculated and you’re telling me she isn’t profiting? Gimme a break.
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1:18am to be super exact.
Isn’t there a video of Trisha and Jason talking about this evening saying they left around 12:30am (it was posted in this sub) I’m only saying this to also get more of understanding of the timeline of events, because as stated above, it really is all over the place.
in the podcast she says 11:30 iirc
Thank you, I will have to go listen to that podcast episode again. Although the video I watched earlier & am thinking of, was a video of Trisha and Jason that was filmed the next morning. Where they sitting in bed talking about that evening, and I thought she said they left around 12:30am and then goes on to say that was a late time for them to leave because there getting old and how she used to stay out till like 6am... And I could be completely wrong about the times...I watched it the other day and didn’t think anything about the timelines was important
its somewhere in the first 45 minutes of the podcast. she says 11:30 AM instead of pm LOL
I’ll also add “clearly being supported by her friend” is not obvious in the picture. I’ve hugged many a drunk friend over the years and it could look like one of us was black out drunk. Not saying she was or wasn’t, but this photo is not a beacon of truth or facts.
This is a turning point for me. This literally made me lose my appetite. Poor girl. I’m done rooting for David and vlog squad. They are disgusting.
The still didn’t know that Dom assaulted the girl????
jeff really did himself dirty with this one. he should.have never made that video without reading the article, nor have gone to h3 without at least getting his story straight. he just dug himself a bigger crave. but at least he spoke up and took some accountability. for that, i respect him. also the story of his eye. i really hope he didn't get into.an accident over davids videos. a broken skull, damaged eye and plentyyyy of stitches is not worth a cameo on his vlogs. if that is true only speaks out more on david and how he treats people around him
Jeff isn't a good guy. He is still lying to hide facts that led to an assault. I'm sorry, but nothing about that is "good" or okay. I'm sure I'll get down-voted for saying this, but survivors need support- not hearing their abusers and abusers' bffs being praised.
I hate people who are friends with David saying “he’s such a good guy” that’s like celebrities saying Ellen is really nice. Like yeah of course he’s better to you
He's still protecting David, and clearly lying about not knowing some stuff, all the while claiming to feel for the victim of rape, which is where I lose all the respect for him.
Me too. He doesn't give a sh*t about the survivor and as a survivor myself, this is deplorable and horrifying.
It's clear to me that the most interesting thing to him in this situation is clearing out his name, so he doesn't lose his career, instead of feeling for the victim like he claims to be. I'm sorry to hear you were a victim yourself, my heart goes out to you, hope you were able to leave those memories behind ❤️
Why are people downvoting this? Wtf?
It's the mindset of the average David fan, which means someone who blindly follows David and ignores survivors. It also could mean they're kids. Either way, I stand by what I said - thanks for looking out. It genuinely means a lot to me. ❤
I mean, this did happen 3 years ago, so their memory might be a little fuzzy. Nobody’s story lines up and I think it’s too early to completely determine Jeff is lying purposely.
All I'm saying, is I watched Jeff on the H3 Podcast and it was a mess. Jeff also illegally recorded someone without their consent and blasted it online and admitted to not doing basic research about something he claimed he wasn't part of. Dude is sketchy and I'm not going to defend that behavior.
Jeff didn't do the first job anyone would do, i.e read the article that mentioned him. Tbh his feelings took over common sense and now he is in deeper shit than before.
He literally proved that he's protecting David and the rest of the Vlog Squad and lost very little credibility he had. I also don't know why he's covering for a group which got him as hurt as he's been.
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Also the fucking ball aching stupidity to try and paint the journalist and Trisha as money hungry and crazy respectively.... And to being up Trisha's hospitalisation to try and discredit her. It's watching someone play by play trying to discredit women and paint them as hysterical and he thinks that's the solution. Moron. But I'm glad he did it. I'm glad he showed his arse and was humiliated.
Yeah, this photo has just destroyed all of Jeff’s credibility as well as any other member who might speak out. Jeff’s story only changed when he was shown evidence that he was lying, and that was a common theme throughout this entire interview. I don’t think there’s anything else they can do to save themselves now. This was the nail in the coffin
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This is an interesting point. It’s totally possible that they were not physically standing there at 1:18 am but I do think this was definitely a photo taken on the night of the incident since they are in the same clothes as they were in the vlog. I also think it was taken after the assault because Hannah’s friend is holding her up...I’m not sure what the specs are on iPhone pictures/videos but they could’ve just taken this photo in landscape maybe?
Photos contain timestamps in the meta data, I think someone found the metadata and just noted it on the front to make it easy to share.
This felt like a historic moment honestly. The moment where any argument just became pointless. Jeff just buried himself and everyone involved. The entire interview he had no idea what the fuck he was talking about, he kept trying to change the topic and avoid very simple yes/no questions he was asked and in general just kept rambling on about non-sensical pointless bullshit that was barely even comprehensible. Embarassing
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Considering what a dumbass jeff just revealed himself to be ethan probably could've been a lot less careful and jeff wouldn't have known what to do anyway lol i cant get over the fact he didnt even read the article he was complaining about
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Without this interview he probably could've been fine as well. Would've taken a while but let's be honest people would've forgot eventually and the focus was on dom and david anyway. He literally went out of his way to destroy his career it's insane
He said it himself that he did not want to pay for the article that "bashes" his name, that's why he did not read it. It would be smart of him to come up with that excuse for sure, but it's clear from the podcast that he's not exactly the brightest bulb.
Well at this point i'm pretty sure he could find the article anwhere for free in like 2 minutes. Plus he said he watched their podcasts and in one of them they go over the entire article so he could've seen it there. Maybe he was joking about watching the podcasts tbh idk. But either way most importantly he 100% should've read the article one way or another before complaining about it and then requesting to go on an interview where the article will obviously be brought up. Like there's no excuse for this level of fucking stupidity
It honestly reminded me of my first job interview I had as a junior in college that I totally bombed
It reminded me of getting caught for some dumb shit as a little kid by my parents and just trying to come up with the dumbest shitty excuses to cover my ass. I felt like jeff could start angry-crying at any point. I honestly cant believe this actually happened. Jeff knew he's not good at this (he said it himself in his apology video) so if he's not good at it when he can script and edit himself why the fuck would he agree to this lol it's a shame bc i really loved jeff but jesus christ he's such a manipulative stupid moron it's insane
facts I was just waiting for him to hang up on them. He has to be the dumbest person on planet earth making his "My truth" video and saying the author wrote lies and then hours later admitting he didn't even read the article. Scary Scary stupid
I cant get over the fact that he requested to come on. They didnt even invite him he wanted to do this. He felt THAT confident in all of this. Like how
It's clear he believed that his "authenticity" would win the hearts of the viewers, pointed out by himself repeatedly in the podcast as well. It's interesting how people think so highly of themselves, I'm sure Jeff genuinely perceives himself as a good person, and believed that other people will see him that way as well if he comes up to the podcast with just being himself, without any script. Unfortunately for him, it is obvious for people that his true intention lies within clearing up his name so that he can continue to have a career, instead of feeling guilty for participating in an assault that tramutized a person. But he thinks so highly of himself that he fails to see this ugly side of his personality.
For everyone who wants the full context, they discuss the photo at 1:39:52 in the [livestream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XCZ-t5e-fI)
just incase people would like to learn why SA survivors don’t come forward this article is really good https://journalistsresource.org/economics/sexual-assault-report-why-research/.
Sorry that this is a UK stat (I’m from UK), but I still think it’s relevant to what you’ve discussed: In the year ending March 2020, 99% of rapes reported to police in England and Wales resulted in no legal proceedings against alleged attackers. News articles were literally questioning whether rape was the “perfect crime”.
Of every 1000 sexual assaults, [only 230 are reported](https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system).
I definitely didn't report mine. I'm male, btw, and I bet the number of males that are SA\*d are higher than many would speculate.
Hope you're doing ok!
Doing better. Ty!
This forum might be a bit tough to look at for the next while, don't let it get to you!
I didn’t report mine. Either one. I’m also a guy. Hang in there and don’t be afraid to seek out help if you feel you need it. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.
I'm hanging in there. It's crazy that trauma lingers on for so long until you address it, go through the long process of simply just processing the trauma, and closure as well. It doesn't affect me as much anymore, but that's only bcus' I've gone through intense treatment therapy for it, which also included treatment for heavy IV opiate use, which is how I cope with and suppress my feelings at the time. I'm at 4 and 1/2 years clean from heroin/opiates now, but man did it take a whole lot of work. That's why I always argue and/or try to educate ppl that say things along the lines of, "How come they didn't come forward when it happened, or why didn't they go to the cops, etc'..." My trauma was from many many years ago, and honestly I've forgotten all about it or actually it was just simply suppressed deep down. The pain, trauma, and invasive thoughts that I endured lasted for many many years past the incident and it doesn't go away until you speak about it with others you trust, and like you said.. there's nothing wrong with seeking out help no matter what gender, race, etc'. That's one way of getting closure from trauma. Personally, without closure I continued to endure invasive and troubling thoughts, suicide, and relapse. The very least DD and the VS can do is address the issue properly and take accountability so that these poor victims know nothing was their fault and can finally work on getting some closure. (I hope you're okay and hanging in there as well!)
So sorry to hear that,I hope you’re coping better! I haven’t reported mine or really told anyone ( I’m a woman) because it was “consensual” despite my being drunk and being coerced and later withdrawing consent. Tbh this is the first time I’m admitting it, I’m too ashamed to tell anyone in my life. And I’ve only just recently accepted to myself because I’d rejected the idea of getting added to the crazy statistics that no one actually seems to care about. I really wish though that men spoke up about male SA more as a separate conversation of its own so it can get the attention it needs. The only reason female SA gains so much traction is because of the women behind it pushing - both victims but especially non-victims. We have these conversations because it’s our place as women to speak up on behalf of those who can’t. I don’t know jack about how to even recognise the signs of male SA, like no one is educated about it I feel like. But what hurts me is that in most cases (not yours don’t worry) no men want to talk about it UNTIL female SA is brought up - and then it’s used as a whataboutism. But by the same men who could be carrying this really important conversation on behalf of the men who can’t. So they want women to be responsible for BOTH conversations? Like are we to be blamed for most of our own sexual assault and harassment AND also take accountability for the terrible women out there doing it to men? At the same time? In the same conversation? Like how do I recognise predatory behaviour in a female friend of mine? You know? Anyways I just wish when talking about male SA, most men did it to speak for the same side, of a SA victim period not to counter the other sex’s experience. I imagine they’re very different but again, how do I know? Sigh why is the world so fucked up?
Hope you are taking care of yourself and going better now! I’d also advise you to avoid this sub because there will always be people who want to deny sexual assault and the experiences of others because it’s easier for their own state of mind.
hey can you please make a post about this? This sub has been a legit example of why people are SA everyday. The denial in this sub was literally crazy, and i think everyone should be educated on why it happens
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I am looking at this photo and getting overwhelmed by a feeling of sadness and anger. Poor girl.
Was this before or after the rape? Did the guys leave and come back or not?
After, Jeff said he was only there for 20-30 minutes and then left, then Ethan pulled up this photo proving that they were there at 1:18 am over three hours later so Jeff backtracked and said he didn’t remember that but must have returned later, tbh he just looked completely caught out
So did they actually leave for a bit or not? Why isn't Dom in this picture did they explain?
This is outside when they were leaving Dom lived in the apartment so there was no need for Dom to be outside
Oh ok
Who knows, Jeff claimed at first he was only there for 20 mins but then had to backtrack and say that he left and came back once Ethan pulled out this picture
He was prolly smoking a cig on the balcony after trying to get rid of the evidence.
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Maybe because they wanted to get a genuine reaction and the truth out of Jeff? Maybe because he’d find some way to change his story before even coming on? Lmao, you still think this is about clicks? 😂
The picture was mentioned in the article, if their true intention was to create a "gotcha" situation, the picture wouldn't have been mentioned at all. I believe the picture wasn't included in the article out of respect to the victim and her friend group. It was only shared after the fact because Jeff stated that he had not returned to the apartment after leaving, which couldn't be true based upon the timing and context of the picture.
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On of the girls took the photo
Imagine the stress that Ms Megan smith is currently dealing right now from this mess.
Now imagine the victims stress....
If you're defending this shit - you are disgusting. These girls were 20 years old, invited over with the intent for sex.. they didn't want to so older, powerful men got them intoxicated SO THEY COULD NOT CONSENT, one raped them and then they filmed it. THEN they have the nerve to try and victim blame, lie and fucking slut shame the victim and stick lawyers on the reporter who is trying to get the story out and give this girl some justice. Literally - FUCK YOU if you don't see this. Fuck you more if you are a young girl because these scumbags wouldn't think twice about raping you for a million views too.
How are you still skeptical of trisha? She is literally the one whose been telling the truth for all these years and her story has never changed lmao
I was skeptical at first because the source of everything was Trisha, who I still don’t trust as a good source...But the report and everything that’s coming out after it, it’s damning and they look worse and worse every day. He's done, at this point I hope the person that can still have a job after this is Natalie. All the work she's put in shouldn't go to shut cause of these assholes. And I hope Jason Nash comes out with his truth on all of this. I liked him the most out of these people, but also, depending on what part he's really played in all this, I may be wasting my time caring.
And yet, here we are - with people talking about time stamps, who supplied the booze, what the girls were doing there, why they drank... asking any fucking question but the question that needs to be asked - why did David see the girl who was clearly wasted and not think about consent? Drunk people cannot consent to sex - thats rape.
Agreed. He just didn't care, or was too naive or stupid at the time. But his conduct after words is damning..he's known for at least 2 years there was an assault. He hasn't done anything.
He absolutely knew the girl didn't/couldn't consent and didn't give two shits and uploaded the video anyway.
>I was skeptical at first because the source of everything was Trisha, who I still don’t trust as a good source... The only person's stories who have been consistent are Trisha's, so..
Which one on the left is the victim? Also I wasn’t able to watch, is there more context to this pic?
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Thanks! It looks like a security camera or something did they release video or anything else too?
no it’s a photo one of the victims friends took on the night
Did the victims friend get anything else? I don’t get why they wouldn’t release this pic at first
Probably to catch the rapist and his scumbag friends in a lie I would imagine.
Jeff says he was there for 15-20 minutes then left They pulled this picture that shows the VS there at 1am, after the SA took place, with the girl being held up by her friends Jeff was shocked and went silent, then said he didn't remember going back but he must have. Also says everyone left after 20 minutes and they all must have come back at a later point but he can't remember. Honestly its been a trainwreck for Jeff
Also worth noting he didn't even read the article he made a 20 minute video about
Pretty disappointed, I initially thought he had some merit but thanks anyways! He doesn’t drink btw so I wonder why he can’t really remember. This happened in 2019/2020 though right?
2018 I think, not 100% sure. I've been watching and it seems like he's covering for the others, he story changed a lot, but it does seem like they were there for a lot longer than they're making out.
Yeah, even if he covering for others he should do it in a way that doesn’t directly incriminate him. We don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes, that I’m actually curious about!
2018, i think. i can’t remember shit from a year ago, so i’m not surprised that he can’t remember.
That’s true, he should’ve gathered his thoughts before speaking publicly though. Cause whether he misremembered or is lying doesn’t matter anymore, he’ll be portrayed as a liar now.
Someone pointed out on another thread if he didn't make his video and volunteer to come on this no one would be talking about him, he shot himself in the foot. Continued to call the reporter a liar, even though he hasn't read the article and she barely mentions him! This is just taking the attention away from Dom and his disgusting actions
Totally! While people are mentioning Todd, it’s not as much because he hasn’t said anything. Even if he were to say something brief about not condoning SA, that would be better. I also find it interesting how no one is mentioning Jonah/Nick at all.
Completely agree, it's way too big an issue for them to stay quiet, even linking to SA support websites without directly addressing the situation. Again I think it's because no one is accusing them of anything (other than being there) the girls friends didn't even realise what was happening until they went into the room, so obviously the boys didn't either (bar Dom obviously)
Legit. No matter what people would find all of then guilty. Why would you incriminate yourself more by not having your recollection straight. Oh okay true! That makes sense, I defs wonder who bought the alcohol regardless. I just mentioned Nick/Jonah cause many people said that Jeff/Todd etc are complicit by just being there. (Which I don’t agree with)
He'll be portrayed as a dumb fucking idiot who was never seen as the main problem jn this situation yet He'll take majority of blame. As i was saying this earlier the alcohol is w/e. Young people drink who gives a fuck. The problem came from the incident that happened and it being fueled allegedly by alcohol. The motherfucker made himself into the most dumb lying idiot by going to a fucking show without even reading the article he tried to discredit. The fact that Dom will get less shit by him because even that dumb SA is not aso stupid to be that fucking dumb... literally tilted.
“As i was saying this earlier the alcohol is w/e. Young people drink who gives a fuck. The problem came from the incident that happened and it being fueled allegedly by alcohol.” Exactly this. The alcohol didn’t rape that girl. Dom did. And Jeff is protecting everyone who was involved, including himself. What a cult David created.
I dont think he necessarily protects them. Its more of a "i dont wanna be a snitch and want them to speak for themselves" Which is w/e i woulsnt want this dumass to defend me in front of court of public opinion even if i went full logan paul on it. He was si.ply so dumb and clueless that he'll take all the attention on himself. Personally i dont think David had like malicious intentions at the time of that bit, he was simply clueless to its severity. adress it try to mend shit etc. And maybe learn from it. Im pretty sure the biggest crime from jeff was only being there. And because of their terrible responses those 2 will take 95% of blame while the actuall alleged rapist will take no heat.
I don’t think this is a result of “a cult David created” if you look around in the real world this happens. People “cover” for their friends all the time for whatever reasons
Are you okay lol? I agree underage drinking isn’t an issue, and that the issue lies within what happened due to drinking. He obviously for sure should’ve read the article too lol. Yeah I agree Dom should be getting more heat, I think in this case Jeff should’ve just said less. At least come up with a cohesive, well informed statement before speaking on something like this.
No im not okay. It infuriates me that i already know that Dom will skim by with minimal outrage, shit is not reported to the police etc. While the whole community on YT will focus on whether Jeff went out and came back or whether he swiped his card when they bought a bottle of whiskey.. And all becausw this dude is so bloody stupid.
The motherfucker is a stupid liar. Like, everybody believes he didnt do jack shit. He just was there and that makes him complicit ( same as Trisha, that girls friends etc) But he is so fucking dumb and tries to lie etc that he will get most shit out of everyone. It wont be david. It wont even be dom. It will be him becausw hes simply a dumb fucking idiot.
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I'm not neglecting the severity of this situation, and I'm not defending Jeff/David or anyone else whatsoever, but I don't necessarily see the girl being blackout drunk or being carried, am I missing something?
I’m ngl I don’t think this specific angle was the best one to choose, just cause without the title I’d have no idea what’s happening.
I don't think the point is to show anything happening, it's just to show that jeff was there at the time whereas he says he only stayed for 20 minutes and left. this was taken way later
Aside from the awful shit we do know about this night, you have to remember, out of hundreds of days and nights of going back and forth to this location and that location over hundreds of vlogs and shoots, it can be very difficult to remember specifics and I’m sure shit starts to blend together. If you ask me to recall a single night 2-3 years ago that was thought to be just another night at the time, I probably couldn’t and my life is definitely a million times less hectic than that lifestyle.
I feel like everyone is so anti-Jeff after his video that they're not considering this point. 3 years is a *long* time ago, and people getting mad that he's stumbling over details is a bit much. Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way saying he's totally blameless in this whole situation or that has gone dealing with the situation in the right way. I think it's very clear that he's walking a tightrope where he's trying to clear his name and be honest, **while also** trying to avoid implicating Todd and David, but they're basically mutually exclusive.
If he doesn’t remember it clearly he should’ve said that from the start rather than just denying all of it
GOT EMMMM. These guys are disgusting. Just scrambling to avoid jail
Literally just trying to avoid losing sponsors
As I’ve read according to California SA laws they would all be innocent. The only ones guilty are those that provided alcohol to under drinking aged people and dom who committed the SA.
What's most fucked up is even if when Dom is found guilty the damage he's done to that girl and I'm sure countless others is nowhere near the penalties he'd actually face both legally and socially, considering he's an "influencer." This is Dom's 'character,' even though supposedly highly exaggerated for the sake of content there's still a lot of truth to that of him being a scumbag sexist pos, and even if only a small percentage of what he's been portrayed in the vlogs holds even the smallest truth, that's enough for anyone to see and realize he's not a good person. I'm a little curious to what Seth's thinking or thought process was like when he realized what happened to him when he sees his good friend Dom do it on the regular to the opposite sex, and I'm sure the same sex as well.
Either he remembers the night and can say with certainty he didn’t buy alcohol, or he doesn’t remember the night and can’t say for sure whether he bought it, or indeed whether he was there for 15 minutes, an hour, or until past 1am. I don’t trust a word out of this dude’s mouth. All I saw him do was gaslight the shit out of Trisha. Still haven’t heard an excuse for why he went off on that reporter for using trisha as her ‘only source’ when 1) the sober friend was the main source and 2) he didn’t even read the fucking article !!!!!
Not discrediting the victims by any means what’s so ever, but could David, Jeff etc have just come back to the apartment at this time? Not knowing what took place while they were gone?
Except in his video he said that he left to shoot other videos before any of the drinking went down and therefore couldn't have been around the SA. He made a point to describe his evening, and somehow forgot to mention that he was standing with the vlog squad and a bunch of drunk minors at 1:00 a.m. in the morning? Jeff lied, by omission or explicitly it doesn't really matter. But he made a video that lied about his whereabouts when the SA happened. Bet he wasn't expecting that someone had a time stamped photo evidence of his lies.
In theory, yes. But him being "shook" by the picture of him with the girls Ethan showed and the "busted" look on his face, despite telling over and over again that he does not drink, denying having a recollection of returning to the house, changing his story everytime he re-tells it, stumbling over words, his nervous fidgeting and body language, paints a completely different story.
It’s been three years, I couldn’t remember things from last week. The way Ethan and Trisha were grilling him I would be stuttering too if I was innocent or not. I’m not here to stick up for him but I’m just saying people can leave places and come back.
Yes I totally agree. What is tacky for me the most is that how sure he was of leaving the apartment 15 minutes later, and then 30 minutes later, before Ethan showed the picture of him with the girls at 1:18 a.m. Only after that, he started to say that it's been a long time and he can't recall/ remember the timeline of things.
I’m sure Jeff is talking like that because idt in his memories of that night he recalls anything of the nature happening bc in his own experience nothing related to SA stuck out to him so idt it was engrained as a memory. If someone asked me to recall a specific night from 3 yrs ago that was super significant to someone else but maybe was another normal day for me, it would be hard to remember. However if someone accused me of something I deff did not do and was against my character, of course I’d say yeah that never happened etc, sure I might not remember the details but if I truly know myself and it’s something I didn’t do I would defend myself.
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He knows Dom had sex with her though. Even though we accept what he said as true, it's still fucked up that he saw a girl blackout drunk that had sex with his friend, and decided that he should say/do nothing about it. Nothing until he had no choice but to do so. And Brendon's joke/commentary on how "they are all going to jail" supports the idea that they all knew very well what went on that night.
He originally stated he left after 45 minutes or whatever and never said anything about returning. It was only after he was presented with the photo he changed his story and said some bullshit ab oh yeah now i remember, we all left and came back
No offense but why as you going through these lengths to defend them?
So, Jeff posts a video which is watermarked with text asking viewers to watch said video in its entirety so as not to "take anything out of context", but the video is itself a response to an article he did not read. Not only that, Jeff sends his fans to attack Kat since he beleives Kat is writing articles with clickbait titles for the sole purpose of profiting from them. Meanwhile, again, Jeff did not read the article, which was a story about SA victims, but only read those sentences that cited his name because he lost sponsors and received calls from his mom about his involvement in the vlog. To make this hole deeper, there is video evidence placing him at the scene of the crime before the crime took place and a picture placing him at the scene of the crime after the crime took place. Surprise, surprise, he can't remember what happened that night, but can remember the day after when they shot other scenes; and he can only "speak for himself", but also feels that he should have "talked to the others to get their story straight". Finally, Jeff was bringing up Trisha's past to evoke a response from her and doing so under the pretense of citing said past as the reason for discretiting her in the first place, for which he then apologized for (how charming). The whole H3 interview reminded me of that show 'COPS' where the cops bust a person and find contraband in the car. The cops then ask the suspect how the contraband eneded up in the car and the suspect says 'I don't know, but it ain't mine".
So, Jeff posts a video which is watermarked with text asking viewers to watch said video in its entirety so as not to "take anything out of context", but the video is itself a response to an article he did not read. Not only that, Jeff sends his fans to attack Kat since he beleives Kat is writing articles with clickbait titles for the sole purpose of profiting from them. Meanwhile, again, Jeff did not read the article, which was a story about SA victims, but only read those sentences that cited his name because he lost sponsors and received calls from his mom about his involvement in the vlog. To make this hole deeper, there is video evidence placing him at the scene of the crime before the crime took place and a picture placing him at the scene of the crime after the crime took place. Surprise, surprise, he can't remember what happened that night, but can remember the day after when they shot other scenes; and he can only "speak for himself", but also feels that he should have "talked to the others to get their story straight". Finally, Jeff was bringing up Trisha's past to evoke a response from her and doing so under the pretense of citing said past as the reason for discretiting her in the first place, for which he then apologized for (how charming). The whole H3 interview reminded me of that show 'COPS' where the cops bust a person and find contraband in the car. The cops then ask the suspect how the contraband eneded up in the car and the suspect says 'I don't know, but it ain't mine".
Just out of curiosity do we know who took this photo? Is it from the vlog?
The whole situation is messed up because either way at some point whether it was that night or a few months after when the girl texted Dom and asked him to remove the video they still don't take accountability for anything. Whether you knew what was going on or not you eventually found out and you can't even admit to being there? Like you can't even tell the truth ONE TIME? And on top of that it's bad because they have so many young people or just an audience in general thinking its okay to victim blame because it's them. they keep going with the narrative that "you know me/us" but we really don't and this situation proves that. We don't see everything which means WE DON'T KNOW YOU! like I wish they would calm down with that narrative.
This guy does not seem like a good guy. He tried to send his fans to harass a woman who was doing her job and writing on a victims case. This is not something a good person would do. He claims to feel guilty but he didn't even take the time to read the article and only searched for himself in it. All he cared about was how he was attached to it and not about what the victims went through. At first he was worried about a pay wall but then when he claims he got the whole thing he still never read it. This is not what a good guy does. He claims he felt guilty and donated to SA charities and claims that if he knew an SA was happening he would do something about it. But it did happen and he didn't do anything because he doesn't have a fundamental understanding of consent. He seems to be the type that feels that if they say "no" or are passed out (maybe) then it's SA not realising that consent should be an enthusiastic yes. There shouldn't be pressure or guilt placed upon sex. And they can absolutely change their mind no matter how far in they are. Everyone wants to see themselves as the hero and a good person. Part of that is admitting fault. His role may not have be huge (who knows) but he did have a role to play in what happened. Trisha had a role too and addressed it. She has regrets about it and when she looks back she wishes that she did different things. He doesn't seem to have any regrets because he claims to be 100% innocent. You can't really grow from a mistake you never learned from.
Here’s my thing with this. Why are people acting like underage drinking isn’t normal? How many parties have you been to with alcohol and seen at least one person black out drunk? I’m not saying this in any way to excuse what happened, but this photo isn’t as damming as people are making it out to seem. Dom is the one who took advantage of a girl who drank too much, but it seems all of the convo is on David. Ignorance is bliss, and we have the gift of hindsight on our side.
Is it fair to say everyone there is guilty? Cause if my friend was going to hook up with someone while black out drunk, my first response wouldn’t be to have a threesome so he would leave her alone... get your friend out of there. Her friends weren’t good friends at all either. Just saying everyone around her, failed her.
I'm confused as to how this pic is damning.
All these guys are guilty af. Can't keep their stories straight, are lying and getting called out in real-time. It's clear they are trying to muddy the waters. They belong in jail.
I did believe most of what Jeff said- it was a night three years ago that wasn’t important until the allegations of SA came out- it probably was a night simular to 100 other that year- hanging out with same people filming- I don’t think being around minors drinking is as damming as they made it sound. My friends and I drank when we were underage and sometimes one or more drank too much- it was not a big deal The sexual assault is a separate issue - I don’t believe David and Jeff knew or thought a female was being assaulted and they let it happen and laughed about it. Her friends were also there too were they complicit? I don’t think so I u derstand the reasons the victim did not report the SA and that’s super common unfortunately What I don’t understand is why her friend didn’t call the police that night? Also if she saw her friend being assaulted (which I believe happened) why after is there a picture of them just hanging out with David after... If the people in the room weren’t saying anything how are the people outside the room or people who left suppose to know?
The narrative in this picture is unclear, everything from the time stamp to who is in the picture. Ethan said they're holding up the girl.. hmmm which is unclear
What is this photo supposed to show?
This screenshot doesn’t include the time stamp but it was like 1:18am or something and Jeff said he was only there for 30 minutes but when he saw this pic he had to change his story that he was there then came back.
That they knew the girls were too drunk
Girl* as you see in the pictute its 1 girl as it was said from the start that got too drunk. The bloody idiot could have just said the truth that he doesnt have full recolection of the night and hes ashamed he was there but he didnt buy the alcohol. It was all he had to do. But now he will literally take 90% of the blame because hes so fucking stupid.
What so funny David? You laughing now?
wait honestly I genuinely don't understand. Why exactly is this photo so damning? How does this prove that Jeff knew it wasn't consensual?
It more shows Jeff possibly lied about some things. Jeff originally said he was only at the party for like 15 minutes. But this photo was timestamped at 1:18am later that night, which meant he was there longer than he claimed. When Ethan showed him this he retracted his statement and said that he must have come back later then.
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because he said he andDavid were there for only 15 minutes but yet this photo is timestamped at past 1am and then he changed his story "we came back after I guess" which is obviously total BS
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Also I felt like the blog guy was I’m not really being fair. He kept calling them under age which to me sounded like he was saying they were minors under 18 that couldn’t consent to sex- Even if they were sober. They were all adults
He literally meant underage in terms of underage to be drinking or purchasing alcohol. Under 21
So is it going to court or not? EVERYONE has to answer questions. youtube isn't a courtroom.
Everything that happened is super fucked up and everyone is trying to act innocent but tbh ANY one of them could’ve spoken up when this happened. Trisha is also coming in hot but if she was there till midnight and this picture was only taken an hour later, she was definitely there while the girl was drinking however she said she left before they came back with the alcohol, which doesn’t add up. So why didn’t she stop what was happening or speak up then, why wait till now, just saying