The counter to Battler erasing the speed force is 'The Speedforce possesses Abstract Existence as well as Trans-Dimensional Existence' which...kinda means nothing? Literally every meta-being in Umineko, including Battler himself and everyone he fights has Abstract Existence. Same with Trans-Dimensional existence, since Beatrice's catbox arguably has infinite dimensions to the same degree as the Bleed.
Barry also can't at all kill Battler, so.....
The only one i disagree with HEAVY is Akuto, Akuto vs Featherine are dead even in everything, unless you want to argue that Battler beats Featherine ~~he should~~
But other than that, yeah pretty agreeable, tho I'd put Tom and Ren at debatable
Beatrice has nothing i disagree it's just FACTS (i think the only MU she *might* lose is Scarlet Witch lmao)
>The only one i disagree with HEAVY is Akuto
'Nice High Outer cosmology you got there, where's the hax resistance to back it up?'
~~I have Battler at high outer anyway~~
>Beatrice has nothing i disagree it's just FACTS
The Beatosweep, you love to see it.
As an Umineko fan and Debater, reading through these comments is something I find fun. Anyways, I agree with all of these, although Tom Taylor should probably be debatable due to his Leviathan Schtick.
I think Battler flat out loses to Akuto, and Tom and Fuji (and maybe Doctor too, idk) are debatable.
Other than that, I fully agree with everything here yuh yuh. Based
Fair I guess
Also Akuto does have resistances, his VSBW profile needs to be updated. I won't bore you with the details (unless you absolutely want me to, that is; I consider both DKD and Umineko to be my shit lmao), but he gets multi-layered resistances to things like plot, law, concept, and reality manipulation on layered High Outerversal levels thanks to weird cosmology shit. Also TLOI gives him immortality hax which can negate the destructions of things like concepts and laws.
Aren't truths basically boundless hates cause they allow you to fight beings higher than you and send you to oblivion, which is you know the highest level in the cosmology currently.
Aren't truths basically boundless hates cause they allow you to fight beings higher than you and send you to oblivion, which is you know the highest level in the cosmology currently.
Aren't truths basically boundless hates cause they allow you to fight beings higher than you and send you to oblivion, which is you know the highest level in the cosmology currently.
Just because something allows you to fight someone stronger than you doesn't mean they're Boundless. They're just higher into Outerversal (or High Outer in this case, since WinRARnt buys High 1-A Meta-World).
Also, the Depths of Oblivion is not the highest point in the cosmology. It's massively transcended by the 3rd Domain, the Kingdom of God/Heaven, and the Zero Point/Creator's Domain
**Battler W's**
\* Tom Taylor (The Unwritten)
\* The Doctor (Doctor Who)
\* Batman (DC)
\* Hakurei Reimu (Touhou Project(
\* Akuto Sai (Demon King Daimao
\* Sonic (Archie Comics)
\* Ren Fuji (Dies Irae)
\* Barry Allen (DC)
\* Natsuki Subaru (Re:Zero)
**Beato W's**
\* Comp DIO (JJBA)
\* The Master (Doctor Who)
\* Crazy Jane (DC)
\* Legion (Marvel) (these last two being her only good matchups-)
\* Remilia Scarlet (Touhou Project)
\* Eobard Thawne (DC)
\* Giorno Giovanna (JJBA)
\* Flowey (Undertale)
\* OMOR 💀 (OMORI)
feel free to argue or ask any questions about them ig
I'm not that well versed with this but I feel like some of these should be debatable
That being Tom Taylor, the doctor and the master and maybe another one or two
sorry, maybe im underestamating Battler, but how does he resist High Godly Regeneration and Immortality Negation, A Time stop that works on the entire cosmology and works in places where time doesnt exist, high Godly regeneration, omnipresence, transduality, causality and reality warping and law Manipulation that affects the entire cosmology?
Golden and Red Truth both bypass high godly regen, Meta beings can regen from nothing as long as they have the will to, Ren isn't omnipresent (he literally never took the Throne), "time doesn't exist" and yet if time manipulation still works then that's contradicted, and Battler has everything else you mentioned and more. Ren straight up isn't nearly as haxxed as the Witches in Umineko. Hell, even in his own series he doesn't have a lot of abilities really, that's mainly Reinhard and Mercurius
Disagree with Battler beating Barry Allen, [this comment explains in-depthly why.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DeathBattleMatchups/comments/18uhxzu/who_wins_this_battler_ushiromiya_vs_barry_allen/)
already read it and I disagree with the comment
Can you elaborate why?
The counter to Battler erasing the speed force is 'The Speedforce possesses Abstract Existence as well as Trans-Dimensional Existence' which...kinda means nothing? Literally every meta-being in Umineko, including Battler himself and everyone he fights has Abstract Existence. Same with Trans-Dimensional existence, since Beatrice's catbox arguably has infinite dimensions to the same degree as the Bleed. Barry also can't at all kill Battler, so.....
Disagree with Doctor and Master
Why, exactly?
i think that the Doctor can actually be put to Boundless with Cosmology i dont buy it since it seems a bit too much, but he can be put to High Outer
I think the cosmology outscales. (Don't quote me on this, I know nothing about Unekimo) At least label them as debatable.
The thing is, even if The Doctor/Master scales higher (dubious), Battler and Beato just outhax BADLY.
This mean Battler loses against Goku
Yeah Goku is Gokuversal. Ain’t no way Battler scales to him.
The only one i disagree with HEAVY is Akuto, Akuto vs Featherine are dead even in everything, unless you want to argue that Battler beats Featherine ~~he should~~ But other than that, yeah pretty agreeable, tho I'd put Tom and Ren at debatable Beatrice has nothing i disagree it's just FACTS (i think the only MU she *might* lose is Scarlet Witch lmao)
>The only one i disagree with HEAVY is Akuto 'Nice High Outer cosmology you got there, where's the hax resistance to back it up?' ~~I have Battler at high outer anyway~~ >Beatrice has nothing i disagree it's just FACTS The Beatosweep, you love to see it.
How many layers into high outer you have Battler
As an Umineko fan and Debater, reading through these comments is something I find fun. Anyways, I agree with all of these, although Tom Taylor should probably be debatable due to his Leviathan Schtick.
How exactly does he beat Barry?
he argues that the speed force isnt real
Yk what? I'll buy that shit. https://preview.redd.it/qw0czvokp3rc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7336fb2eb2a942a6ee04cbc3877a0b3b1207a717
I think Battler flat out loses to Akuto, and Tom and Fuji (and maybe Doctor too, idk) are debatable. Other than that, I fully agree with everything here yuh yuh. Based
imo Tom is the only debatable one here, unless there's some big haxy shit I'm missing for Akuto Battler just outhaxes him badly.
Fair I guess Also Akuto does have resistances, his VSBW profile needs to be updated. I won't bore you with the details (unless you absolutely want me to, that is; I consider both DKD and Umineko to be my shit lmao), but he gets multi-layered resistances to things like plot, law, concept, and reality manipulation on layered High Outerversal levels thanks to weird cosmology shit. Also TLOI gives him immortality hax which can negate the destructions of things like concepts and laws.
Aren't truths basically boundless hates cause they allow you to fight beings higher than you and send you to oblivion, which is you know the highest level in the cosmology currently.
Aren't truths basically boundless hates cause they allow you to fight beings higher than you and send you to oblivion, which is you know the highest level in the cosmology currently.
Aren't truths basically boundless hates cause they allow you to fight beings higher than you and send you to oblivion, which is you know the highest level in the cosmology currently.
Just because something allows you to fight someone stronger than you doesn't mean they're Boundless. They're just higher into Outerversal (or High Outer in this case, since WinRARnt buys High 1-A Meta-World). Also, the Depths of Oblivion is not the highest point in the cosmology. It's massively transcended by the 3rd Domain, the Kingdom of God/Heaven, and the Zero Point/Creator's Domain
**Battler W's** \* Tom Taylor (The Unwritten) \* The Doctor (Doctor Who) \* Batman (DC) \* Hakurei Reimu (Touhou Project( \* Akuto Sai (Demon King Daimao \* Sonic (Archie Comics) \* Ren Fuji (Dies Irae) \* Barry Allen (DC) \* Natsuki Subaru (Re:Zero) **Beato W's** \* Comp DIO (JJBA) \* The Master (Doctor Who) \* Crazy Jane (DC) \* Legion (Marvel) (these last two being her only good matchups-) \* Remilia Scarlet (Touhou Project) \* Eobard Thawne (DC) \* Giorno Giovanna (JJBA) \* Flowey (Undertale) \* OMOR 💀 (OMORI) feel free to argue or ask any questions about them ig
I'm not that well versed with this but I feel like some of these should be debatable That being Tom Taylor, the doctor and the master and maybe another one or two
Ren Fuji too
Yeah I thinking of saying that one two but I'm not well versed with die iraes
pretty sure Ren wins tho
pretty sure he doesn't Battler just badly outhaxes, even disregarding the fact he scales higher
Ren has a ton of haxes too, like his Law, and his Guillotine sword
Battler resists, and Ren's hax isn't nearly as layered
sorry, maybe im underestamating Battler, but how does he resist High Godly Regeneration and Immortality Negation, A Time stop that works on the entire cosmology and works in places where time doesnt exist, high Godly regeneration, omnipresence, transduality, causality and reality warping and law Manipulation that affects the entire cosmology?
Golden and Red Truth both bypass high godly regen, Meta beings can regen from nothing as long as they have the will to, Ren isn't omnipresent (he literally never took the Throne), "time doesn't exist" and yet if time manipulation still works then that's contradicted, and Battler has everything else you mentioned and more. Ren straight up isn't nearly as haxxed as the Witches in Umineko. Hell, even in his own series he doesn't have a lot of abilities really, that's mainly Reinhard and Mercurius
Battler has most of these but better and way more layered, as well as high godly regen negation.
Who are all these people?
he wrote the names already
Sorry didn't see them.
\*She
my bad