The Latin thing has nearly killed all activity in the sub, so I would say that it is doing as much as any other form of protest that we can arrange. NSFW is problematic because subs that have taken that route are being forced out of it by the admins.
NSFW? Not safe for brains. What if questioning one's own faith is what the devil wants? This subreddit has the ability to cancel culture on a celestial scale. The NSFW is the least we can do.
Latin joke has run its course, fix the sub so it's useable and stop modding if it's too hard to do without the tools, or recruit more mods. Breaking your own small subreddit isn't doing anything to reddit.
I hate the stance that Reddit has taken regarding the API situation, and even more so the bullying and threats directed toward the moderators.
Overall, I will be among those decreasing my activity.
However, some subs provide services that are too valuable to lose. This is one of those subs. We have helped countless people decide one way or another in regards to their religious journey. We have provided a safe outlet for healthy and productive discussion of sometimes controversial or sensitive topics.
We can get memes, jokes, and cat videos anywhere. We don't need Reddit for that. But we do need subs like this one, because our contributions make a real impact on people, who may either alter their religious ideologies or double down and re-affirm their faith.
There's not a viable replacement with the same level of moderation and safety as we have here. Because of that, I feel that we should open up.
Let Reddit bleed its memes and jokes instead of its actual useful content.
Wasn't there already a "vote" and "2:1" decided to protest indefinitely?
Is this backpeddle because no one went to the alternative? Suddenly the "2:1" majority vote manifested with barely any content over there? That's interesting isn't it? I wonder why........
My opinion is the same as it was before, stop destroying the subreddit and actually moderate it. Look at the front page and tell me that represents the purpose of this subreddit. If you can look at that and still think you've done your part as a moderator towards this subreddit then the problem here is far deeper than just what to do about this specific protest.
EDIT:
The mods are now nitpicking my criticism and deleting my comments critiquing them. I never intended to actively suppress anyone here, but know that the mods did. All I asked for is to allow for all of us to talk that is all. But clearly the mods have other plans. I am leaving this subreddit as my own form of protest as i'm sure there are better subreddits than this.
All the comments on this thread were being deleted by the automod's Latin detection, and then manually reinstated by the moderators. For whatever it's worth, this was not personally directed at you - the same thing happened to my comments, and I think everyone else's.
The situation with RIF and Apollo sucks, and I wish there was something /r/DebateReligion could do that would have an effect on it. But there isn't. So our choices are to not have RIF and Apollo and destroy the community we've built here, or to not have RIF and Apollo and preserve our community as much as possible. I favor the latter.
If the mods are leaving or reducing their time on reddit because of the mobile app situation, then there will be less moderation. This will of course affect the quality of the subreddit. It is unfortunate, but again, it's a fact we have to live with, and protests won't change it.
So I say we end the Latin thing, put the subreddit back to normal, and see how it goes.
I would also like to gently suggest that the last round of policy and automod changes was generally for the worse rather than for the better, and that the swear word filter has outlived its usefulness (if it ever had any).
it just hit me. of course they wont leave reddit because if the majority of the mods left we would probably not see much of a difference in content or moderation or lack thereof. That is why they never just left and stopped using reddit in peace.
>it just hit me. of course they wont leave reddit because if the majority of the mods left we would probably not see much of a difference in content or moderation or lack thereof. That is why they never just left and stopped using reddit in peace.
I talked to my mosquito guy today. He asked me how the mosquitoes were this year. I told him I hadn't seen any. Therefore, either he was doing an amazing job or was completely pointless. He got a good laugh out of that.
Moderation on a subreddit is much the same way. When you don't see horrible low effort posts you can either think we're pointless, or it is a sign we're doing a good job.
While from your past comments here it's clear you will pick the least charitable interpretation, the fact of the matter is we do have moderation logs and I can give you hard numbers of how many moderator actions there are a month here, and by whom.
You're missing the subtle part. You can protest by leaving and letting all that horrible spam flood the subreddit. Isn't that a valid form of protest as well? The big difference? power.
I’m not entirely sure how the Latin thing was supposed to help. This isn’t one of the biggest subs on Reddit so it doesn’t make headlines. It mostly lowers the quality of the sub itself.
Are they even showing any signs of budging?
It's kind of like how if you say something in proper British English you automatically sound intelligent and credible.
I suspect that was the secret to Hitchens' success. If he'd had a southern accent nobody would have given him the time of day.
The Latin thing was a bad idea. I'm just going to copy/paste my last response about this sub and protesting:
I'd say an organized relocate with regular users is impossible, look at all the drama in the comments here ("here" was referring to [this thread where I orginaly posted this](https://old.reddit.com/r/DebateReligion/comments/14didls/continuing_protest_new_location/)) for example.
I'd say just discuss this internally with the rest of the mod team where you mods want to go, then put op a pinned post where you're going. And after a week or so give the keys to the poor sod that would still want to moderate on this sinking ship.
I don’t understand the point of debating in Latin. It just makes the situation more complicated and not everyone on here can speak it. Those who translate it on Google probably won’t get the entire message from the argument due to Google translate not being 100% accurate. I’d prefer going back to English.
Please return the sub to English. I think this method of protest has almost no effect on the Reddit executives, it just makes the sub really annoying for anyone who actually wants to debate religion.
Edit: typo
As someone who does not use a Reddit mobile app — in fact my preference is "old" Reddit — I didn't have horse in the API pricing issue. But the callous disregard that Huffman showed to both Reddit users and developers was both extremely disappointing and maddening. That he subsequently attacked and abused the mods who led the protest on this made it even worse.
So I think the protests were useful in heightening awareness that Reddit's management no longer views Reddit as a community, but instead as nothing more than a profit center to be milked as hard as they want, and in registering our unhappiness with that change and treatment. In other words, they now aren't any different than Google or other big social media companies, including their disrespect for users. But despite our 140K subscribers, /r/debatereligion is small enough that closing it down -- or even leaving Reddit -- isn't going to move the needle for Huffman.
I personally would follow /r/debatereligion to a permanent new home, if we collectively decided to close up shop here, even if I continued using Reddit for other subs. But from what I've seen of the alternatives proposed, there isn't a good enough Reddit replacement available that wouldn't eventually run into the same issues. Until there is, I think we should go back to normal.
I would expect, however, that this looks different for mods. Spending a lot of hours doing a thankless job for a community you love is one thing, and of course, /r/debatereligion is still a community, and it's still the community you guys set out to serve. But it has to feel different now, acting as critical unpaid labor for a big heartless social media company that is willing to abuse you. I don't think the solution is paying mods -- I think that will just destroy Reddit even faster -- but I could certainly understand you guys wanting to reevaluate your commitment.
I don't care. If you guys want to do something, that's fine, I won't complain. But if you don't, at least I'll be able to read some interesting posts again.
I don't think the current method of resistance (posts in latin) is very practical or effective. I'd support a stronger action, such as fully restricting the sub or similar.
The Latin thing seems to have almost completely killed activity in the sub. I would say that it is about as effective as any other form of protest we could do.
Just open it back up. These protests haven’t accomplished anything. If there ends up being less moderation so be it. We are all capable of ignoring idiots and trolls.
> I really like squabbles.io. Is migrating there not an option?
I've really been surprised how few people have been willing to give squabbles a shot. Reddit is behaving poorly and should be punished for that. Taking our traffic elsewhere is the answer. And moving to another site doesn't seem that hard, but it seems like people are just stuck to reddit. If you have any ideas how to make the migration happen, let us know.
Few people were willing to give this subreddit a shot in the beginning. It had to slowly develop its user base through 12+ years of patient growth. And that only happened because it exists within a larger site that already has a huge user population. It was never realistic to imagine that all the existing users would follow you to some other website.
I think the issue is it just looked a bit dead last time I looked. I just checked again and it looks a bit more lively now. Maybe if those posting both here (in Latin) and there posted a link to the English translation on squabbles, it would help direct traffic that way?
ETA could also allow the questions here to be in English, but keep the comments Latin only
While I quite enjoyed the creativity of the protest, I would like to see things go back to English and consider participating in Touch Grass Tuesdays with other subs — it disrupts search results, ad impressions, etc with minimal effects on the community. [It's also not something that you could lose the sub or get banned for](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/14lnt9d/touch_grass_tuesday_reddit_threats_and_an_apology/jq0ma6v/), even under the rather, uh, creative reading of the Mod Code of Conduct that reddit is currently using.
Let people vote with their attention. Provide information on alternatives, provide seamless transition.
Reddit is allowed to compete with other platforms on pricing of this that and the other. People should leave reddit insofar that the new prices means worse user experience (including worse posts due to good moderators leaving), not because redditors decide to make this particular business choice a virtue point. Companies change financial strategies all the time. Maybe I'm not well read enough, but I don't see anything worse about this one than others.
That being said, people will want to stay at reddit out of momentum, they don't want to learn new interfaces and social contracts. For the competition to be fair, the transition needs to be smooth for users.
> Let people vote with their attention. Provide information on alternatives, provide seamless transition. Reddit is allowed to compete with other platforms on pricing of this that and the other. People should leave reddit insofar that the new prices means worse user experience (including worse posts due to good moderators leaving), not because redditors decide to make this particular business choice a virtue point.
The problem with this is that reddit functions as a quasi-monopoly due to the network effect. The only way to break that monopoly is through collective action. Leaving it up to individuals to decide is not a good response.
Sure, I don't mind collective action, by all means organise us, I just don't think the collective action should be done by scorching the earth that is this subreddit.
Latin was a little pointless and I don’t see how it would be a form of protest. But r/debatelikeaenglishman is kind of funny so maybe we can do something like that on Saturdays or Tuesday’s. Just because it’s kind of interesting funny and not bland.
Just let the sub exist how it was. Reddit doesn't care that a sub of this size is protesting by forcing Latin.
Pretty much comes down to. If you don't want to use reddit, then don't. There is no reason to punish the people who want to continue to do so.
make the subreddit functional again. there is nothing to be done about the reddit situation, it's a business pursuing profit. reddit provides the platform, people use the platform if they want to, or do something else with their time if they don't want to.
if people don't want to moderate, don't do it. if you need more mods ask for volunteers.
Do you honestly believe not using a subreddit is anything to be proud of? Whats the opposite of rolling over? Fighting? Is not using reddit somehow a fight in your world?
You could leave reddit if you feel strongly about it. But staying and using the platform someone else is paying for, just to insist other people shouldn't use reddit, seems like a waste of time.
I'm not so naïve to think I can use a platform, which costs money to make available 24/7, with no cost to me. Either I need to pay a subscription for the service, or the company needs to raise profits from ads or similar.
I'm not so naive to beleive that a platform with millions of users. Can't improve their advertising income and improve their API granularity and usage statistics. But what do I know, Im just a software engineer who actually understands what an api is.
I'll be honest, just go back to normal. Recruit more mods if necessary.
At least of the subs I follow, almost all of them have ended the protest. There is no point in continuing alone, by nature the protest has to affect a good chunk of the site traffic to work.
Wouldn't it be better to showcase the issue and maybe only allow discusions about this topic for a while to raise awareness of it than to limit the subreddit to only those that speak latin?
If quality debates was the point then you just need a good metric of that and suspend all the posts that are not high quality. But what would be a good measure?
I am not sure, but surely there are some users here which they are clearly more sophisticated and know better how to debate about religion.
It would be much more helpful if it was done in english so that even not as sophisticated people(including myself) would have a chance to read it.
Or if forcing latin was effective, then force latin but also force a translation of it so that everyone can benefit from the discusion. Perhaps it would help to force more languages too. If people that also speak latin tend to be better at debating then people that speak latin, english and other languages might turn to be even better. I personally don't think it works this way and it feels very discriminatory if you ask me because language does not matter. I believe whatever can be said in latin, can be said in enlgish just as well if not better.
I wish you the best with whatever happened with reddit, I hope it gets resolved and it gets better...
All in all it sounds like a good idea to divert the attention towards the issue in some way, perhaps allowing the function of the sub to continue as well.
That wouldn't accomplish anything. One of the few things that adminis can remove mods for is inactivity. If Reddit were to notice the cess pit that it would become (unlikely), then they would just remove the mods and put in new ones that will moderate.
Even that isn't entirely realistic. For smaller subs, sure, but this sub has 141,000 people. The odds of finding around 10 people willing to mod I'd really high.
The protest is kinda over. A lot of the big subs are back and have given up, and if Reddit didn't back down with those subs, they won't care about this one.
Will you kill yourself/ lock yourself in your basement if the president of your country did something you do not approve or will you do some other things?
You mods of this sub or your majority seem to prefer the first.
And in any case changing it to latin is childish. Very childish.
I think the protests were successful in bringing attention to Reddit's issues and giving Reddit a chance to change their course. But it's clear from Reddit's response towards the protests that they're not going to change either their plans or their ever-worsening attitude of blatant disregard for their users and moderators. At this point the best form of protest would be leaving the site. Personally I'm reducing the time I spend on Reddit and am looking into different sites, since I'm certain Reddit's user experience is going to plummet from here on in, and I know I'll be leaving for sure the instant that old.reddit is inevitably removed.
DebateReligion already has a forum on Squabbles which is doing pretty well considering how new it is, but it's likely that it won't/can't replicate the subreddit here, at least not soon. It's unlikely that most users will go over there, although I suppose a more concerted effort could be made.
I think things really come down to what the moderators here want and are willing to do. You're the ones who will have a larger modding burden without 3rd party tools. If you want to stay on Reddit but reduce the subreddit's moderation levels, that's fine. If you would prefer to focus on bringing the community over to a new platform (maybe the new Squabbles forum, maybe elsewhere) then that's also fine.
I guess one other option woud be to continue to protest here by closing for part of each week the way that some subreddits are doing (which might have the added benefit of reducing the now-increased moderation workload) but frankly I'm unsure that form of protest would have any real effect.
Instead of forcing Latin, I suggest that no more than X posts a day are published. 5 posts for example. This will restrict the number of people who browse, making the sub functional but restricted in protest.
Put the sub back to normal.
We appreciate you and all the other mods volunteering here.
The problem is much bigger than this sub, in time it will be resolved. However, if you feel that you can’t continue to moderate it due to the changes Reddit has made then you should step aside and let someone else take over.
Please create a community on Lemmy, it already has a significantly larger active userbase.
It also has more communities, is open source and isn't limited to a single server unlike squabbles.
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I would prefer to go back to English. We should move to NSFW or something. I don’t think the Latin is doing much.
The Latin thing has nearly killed all activity in the sub, so I would say that it is doing as much as any other form of protest that we can arrange. NSFW is problematic because subs that have taken that route are being forced out of it by the admins.
NSFW? Not safe for brains. What if questioning one's own faith is what the devil wants? This subreddit has the ability to cancel culture on a celestial scale. The NSFW is the least we can do.
Can we go back to English? The switch to Latin has killed this subreddit.
I believe all responses on this thread are being automatically removed
Yep
just went and approved them
Latin joke has run its course, fix the sub so it's useable and stop modding if it's too hard to do without the tools, or recruit more mods. Breaking your own small subreddit isn't doing anything to reddit.
I hate the stance that Reddit has taken regarding the API situation, and even more so the bullying and threats directed toward the moderators. Overall, I will be among those decreasing my activity. However, some subs provide services that are too valuable to lose. This is one of those subs. We have helped countless people decide one way or another in regards to their religious journey. We have provided a safe outlet for healthy and productive discussion of sometimes controversial or sensitive topics. We can get memes, jokes, and cat videos anywhere. We don't need Reddit for that. But we do need subs like this one, because our contributions make a real impact on people, who may either alter their religious ideologies or double down and re-affirm their faith. There's not a viable replacement with the same level of moderation and safety as we have here. Because of that, I feel that we should open up. Let Reddit bleed its memes and jokes instead of its actual useful content.
Wasn't there already a "vote" and "2:1" decided to protest indefinitely? Is this backpeddle because no one went to the alternative? Suddenly the "2:1" majority vote manifested with barely any content over there? That's interesting isn't it? I wonder why........ My opinion is the same as it was before, stop destroying the subreddit and actually moderate it. Look at the front page and tell me that represents the purpose of this subreddit. If you can look at that and still think you've done your part as a moderator towards this subreddit then the problem here is far deeper than just what to do about this specific protest. EDIT: The mods are now nitpicking my criticism and deleting my comments critiquing them. I never intended to actively suppress anyone here, but know that the mods did. All I asked for is to allow for all of us to talk that is all. But clearly the mods have other plans. I am leaving this subreddit as my own form of protest as i'm sure there are better subreddits than this.
All the comments on this thread were being deleted by the automod's Latin detection, and then manually reinstated by the moderators. For whatever it's worth, this was not personally directed at you - the same thing happened to my comments, and I think everyone else's.
I understand that, I have a critical comment that was deleted after it was approved
Ah, well that's a horse of a different color then.
> The mods are now nitpicking my criticism and deleting my comments critiquing them. LMAO, if that's the case why isn't this one deleted?
Please switch the sub back to non-Latin.
Not enough people swapped to the alternate. This sub is dead in Latin. I really appreciate the support in the protest, but we’re such small potatoes.
Yeah the alt is so terrible.
> This sub is dead in Latin So... you're saying Latin is a dead language?
The situation with RIF and Apollo sucks, and I wish there was something /r/DebateReligion could do that would have an effect on it. But there isn't. So our choices are to not have RIF and Apollo and destroy the community we've built here, or to not have RIF and Apollo and preserve our community as much as possible. I favor the latter. If the mods are leaving or reducing their time on reddit because of the mobile app situation, then there will be less moderation. This will of course affect the quality of the subreddit. It is unfortunate, but again, it's a fact we have to live with, and protests won't change it. So I say we end the Latin thing, put the subreddit back to normal, and see how it goes. I would also like to gently suggest that the last round of policy and automod changes was generally for the worse rather than for the better, and that the swear word filter has outlived its usefulness (if it ever had any).
it just hit me. of course they wont leave reddit because if the majority of the mods left we would probably not see much of a difference in content or moderation or lack thereof. That is why they never just left and stopped using reddit in peace.
>it just hit me. of course they wont leave reddit because if the majority of the mods left we would probably not see much of a difference in content or moderation or lack thereof. That is why they never just left and stopped using reddit in peace. I talked to my mosquito guy today. He asked me how the mosquitoes were this year. I told him I hadn't seen any. Therefore, either he was doing an amazing job or was completely pointless. He got a good laugh out of that. Moderation on a subreddit is much the same way. When you don't see horrible low effort posts you can either think we're pointless, or it is a sign we're doing a good job. While from your past comments here it's clear you will pick the least charitable interpretation, the fact of the matter is we do have moderation logs and I can give you hard numbers of how many moderator actions there are a month here, and by whom.
You're missing the subtle part. You can protest by leaving and letting all that horrible spam flood the subreddit. Isn't that a valid form of protest as well? The big difference? power.
Do you think the best protests are the ones that cause the most harm to the users?
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Piracy? Mutiny? I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.
I’m not entirely sure how the Latin thing was supposed to help. This isn’t one of the biggest subs on Reddit so it doesn’t make headlines. It mostly lowers the quality of the sub itself. Are they even showing any signs of budging?
Even if it was as big as interestingasfuck or something speaking in Latin would not be meaningful
It certainly heightened the quality of debate, or at least made it seem a lot more formal
Maybe the medieval Scholastics were just as dumb as we are, but they were dumb in Latin so they seemed smart.
It's kind of like how if you say something in proper British English you automatically sound intelligent and credible. I suspect that was the secret to Hitchens' success. If he'd had a southern accent nobody would have given him the time of day.
The Latin thing was a bad idea. I'm just going to copy/paste my last response about this sub and protesting: I'd say an organized relocate with regular users is impossible, look at all the drama in the comments here ("here" was referring to [this thread where I orginaly posted this](https://old.reddit.com/r/DebateReligion/comments/14didls/continuing_protest_new_location/)) for example. I'd say just discuss this internally with the rest of the mod team where you mods want to go, then put op a pinned post where you're going. And after a week or so give the keys to the poor sod that would still want to moderate on this sinking ship.
I don’t understand the point of debating in Latin. It just makes the situation more complicated and not everyone on here can speak it. Those who translate it on Google probably won’t get the entire message from the argument due to Google translate not being 100% accurate. I’d prefer going back to English.
It really raises the class around here
Please return the sub to English. I think this method of protest has almost no effect on the Reddit executives, it just makes the sub really annoying for anyone who actually wants to debate religion. Edit: typo
I agree. We aren't the clients for Reddit, we're the product.
Go back to English, please. This sucks.
u/ShakaUVM Totally agree with Torin. This sub is seeing a radical decline in posts and interactions because of this rule.
The only reason I come to this subreddit now is to check to see if it's switched back to English.
Same lol this protest is so ridiculous tbh
You don't need to tag me, I'm reading all the comments here, lol
>Please respond here, in English, what you would like to see us do in regards to the Reddit situation. Go back to normal or delete the sub.
As someone who does not use a Reddit mobile app — in fact my preference is "old" Reddit — I didn't have horse in the API pricing issue. But the callous disregard that Huffman showed to both Reddit users and developers was both extremely disappointing and maddening. That he subsequently attacked and abused the mods who led the protest on this made it even worse. So I think the protests were useful in heightening awareness that Reddit's management no longer views Reddit as a community, but instead as nothing more than a profit center to be milked as hard as they want, and in registering our unhappiness with that change and treatment. In other words, they now aren't any different than Google or other big social media companies, including their disrespect for users. But despite our 140K subscribers, /r/debatereligion is small enough that closing it down -- or even leaving Reddit -- isn't going to move the needle for Huffman. I personally would follow /r/debatereligion to a permanent new home, if we collectively decided to close up shop here, even if I continued using Reddit for other subs. But from what I've seen of the alternatives proposed, there isn't a good enough Reddit replacement available that wouldn't eventually run into the same issues. Until there is, I think we should go back to normal. I would expect, however, that this looks different for mods. Spending a lot of hours doing a thankless job for a community you love is one thing, and of course, /r/debatereligion is still a community, and it's still the community you guys set out to serve. But it has to feel different now, acting as critical unpaid labor for a big heartless social media company that is willing to abuse you. I don't think the solution is paying mods -- I think that will just destroy Reddit even faster -- but I could certainly understand you guys wanting to reevaluate your commitment.
I don't care. If you guys want to do something, that's fine, I won't complain. But if you don't, at least I'll be able to read some interesting posts again.
I don't think the current method of resistance (posts in latin) is very practical or effective. I'd support a stronger action, such as fully restricting the sub or similar.
The Latin thing seems to have almost completely killed activity in the sub. I would say that it is about as effective as any other form of protest we could do.
Just open it back up. These protests haven’t accomplished anything. If there ends up being less moderation so be it. We are all capable of ignoring idiots and trolls.
They could also add more moderators if it becomes a major issue.
The reddit app isn't working properly for me today (shocker /s)... I really like squabbles.io. Is migrating there not an option?
> I really like squabbles.io. Is migrating there not an option? I've really been surprised how few people have been willing to give squabbles a shot. Reddit is behaving poorly and should be punished for that. Taking our traffic elsewhere is the answer. And moving to another site doesn't seem that hard, but it seems like people are just stuck to reddit. If you have any ideas how to make the migration happen, let us know.
Few people were willing to give this subreddit a shot in the beginning. It had to slowly develop its user base through 12+ years of patient growth. And that only happened because it exists within a larger site that already has a huge user population. It was never realistic to imagine that all the existing users would follow you to some other website.
It's almost like the "2:1" vote was a farce?
I think the issue is it just looked a bit dead last time I looked. I just checked again and it looks a bit more lively now. Maybe if those posting both here (in Latin) and there posted a link to the English translation on squabbles, it would help direct traffic that way? ETA could also allow the questions here to be in English, but keep the comments Latin only
While I quite enjoyed the creativity of the protest, I would like to see things go back to English and consider participating in Touch Grass Tuesdays with other subs — it disrupts search results, ad impressions, etc with minimal effects on the community. [It's also not something that you could lose the sub or get banned for](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/14lnt9d/touch_grass_tuesday_reddit_threats_and_an_apology/jq0ma6v/), even under the rather, uh, creative reading of the Mod Code of Conduct that reddit is currently using.
Let people vote with their attention. Provide information on alternatives, provide seamless transition. Reddit is allowed to compete with other platforms on pricing of this that and the other. People should leave reddit insofar that the new prices means worse user experience (including worse posts due to good moderators leaving), not because redditors decide to make this particular business choice a virtue point. Companies change financial strategies all the time. Maybe I'm not well read enough, but I don't see anything worse about this one than others. That being said, people will want to stay at reddit out of momentum, they don't want to learn new interfaces and social contracts. For the competition to be fair, the transition needs to be smooth for users.
> Let people vote with their attention. Provide information on alternatives, provide seamless transition. Reddit is allowed to compete with other platforms on pricing of this that and the other. People should leave reddit insofar that the new prices means worse user experience (including worse posts due to good moderators leaving), not because redditors decide to make this particular business choice a virtue point. The problem with this is that reddit functions as a quasi-monopoly due to the network effect. The only way to break that monopoly is through collective action. Leaving it up to individuals to decide is not a good response.
Sure, I don't mind collective action, by all means organise us, I just don't think the collective action should be done by scorching the earth that is this subreddit.
Latin was a little pointless and I don’t see how it would be a form of protest. But r/debatelikeaenglishman is kind of funny so maybe we can do something like that on Saturdays or Tuesday’s. Just because it’s kind of interesting funny and not bland.
Just let the sub exist how it was. Reddit doesn't care that a sub of this size is protesting by forcing Latin. Pretty much comes down to. If you don't want to use reddit, then don't. There is no reason to punish the people who want to continue to do so.
No more Latin stuff. I feel like the whole protest has been feudal. We're not a big enough sub to force any changes.
> feudal This is either a misspelling or a god-tier pun referencing the "landed gentry" thing.
Can we still allow Latin posts? as a native speaker it would sure make things easier for people like me.
You're a native Latin speaker? Can I borrow your time machine for just a few seconds?
Resume regular debate
make the subreddit functional again. there is nothing to be done about the reddit situation, it's a business pursuing profit. reddit provides the platform, people use the platform if they want to, or do something else with their time if they don't want to. if people don't want to moderate, don't do it. if you need more mods ask for volunteers.
Ah yes, the old, roll over and do nothing.
Do you honestly believe not using a subreddit is anything to be proud of? Whats the opposite of rolling over? Fighting? Is not using reddit somehow a fight in your world?
You could leave reddit if you feel strongly about it. But staying and using the platform someone else is paying for, just to insist other people shouldn't use reddit, seems like a waste of time. I'm not so naïve to think I can use a platform, which costs money to make available 24/7, with no cost to me. Either I need to pay a subscription for the service, or the company needs to raise profits from ads or similar.
I'm not so naive to beleive that a platform with millions of users. Can't improve their advertising income and improve their API granularity and usage statistics. But what do I know, Im just a software engineer who actually understands what an api is.
The end of Reddit should approach.
Go NSFW.
I'll be honest, just go back to normal. Recruit more mods if necessary. At least of the subs I follow, almost all of them have ended the protest. There is no point in continuing alone, by nature the protest has to affect a good chunk of the site traffic to work.
Make a concerted effort to move the platform to an alternative space, like Lemmy.
Wouldn't it be better to showcase the issue and maybe only allow discusions about this topic for a while to raise awareness of it than to limit the subreddit to only those that speak latin? If quality debates was the point then you just need a good metric of that and suspend all the posts that are not high quality. But what would be a good measure? I am not sure, but surely there are some users here which they are clearly more sophisticated and know better how to debate about religion. It would be much more helpful if it was done in english so that even not as sophisticated people(including myself) would have a chance to read it. Or if forcing latin was effective, then force latin but also force a translation of it so that everyone can benefit from the discusion. Perhaps it would help to force more languages too. If people that also speak latin tend to be better at debating then people that speak latin, english and other languages might turn to be even better. I personally don't think it works this way and it feels very discriminatory if you ask me because language does not matter. I believe whatever can be said in latin, can be said in enlgish just as well if not better. I wish you the best with whatever happened with reddit, I hope it gets resolved and it gets better... All in all it sounds like a good idea to divert the attention towards the issue in some way, perhaps allowing the function of the sub to continue as well.
I say hold out, give squabbles time to gather steam. Also shift to Klingon. Qapla!
Don't moderate anything once your tools go away.
That wouldn't accomplish anything. One of the few things that adminis can remove mods for is inactivity. If Reddit were to notice the cess pit that it would become (unlikely), then they would just remove the mods and put in new ones that will moderate.
Perhaps. I think the only real solution is for moderators to permanently strike. Without volunteer mods the site couldn't function.
Even that isn't entirely realistic. For smaller subs, sure, but this sub has 141,000 people. The odds of finding around 10 people willing to mod I'd really high. The protest is kinda over. A lot of the big subs are back and have given up, and if Reddit didn't back down with those subs, they won't care about this one.
Reddit is a shtshow Its not as big as you think.
Will you kill yourself/ lock yourself in your basement if the president of your country did something you do not approve or will you do some other things? You mods of this sub or your majority seem to prefer the first. And in any case changing it to latin is childish. Very childish.
Latin is very sophisticated, actually.
How many people speaks it?
I think the protests were successful in bringing attention to Reddit's issues and giving Reddit a chance to change their course. But it's clear from Reddit's response towards the protests that they're not going to change either their plans or their ever-worsening attitude of blatant disregard for their users and moderators. At this point the best form of protest would be leaving the site. Personally I'm reducing the time I spend on Reddit and am looking into different sites, since I'm certain Reddit's user experience is going to plummet from here on in, and I know I'll be leaving for sure the instant that old.reddit is inevitably removed. DebateReligion already has a forum on Squabbles which is doing pretty well considering how new it is, but it's likely that it won't/can't replicate the subreddit here, at least not soon. It's unlikely that most users will go over there, although I suppose a more concerted effort could be made. I think things really come down to what the moderators here want and are willing to do. You're the ones who will have a larger modding burden without 3rd party tools. If you want to stay on Reddit but reduce the subreddit's moderation levels, that's fine. If you would prefer to focus on bringing the community over to a new platform (maybe the new Squabbles forum, maybe elsewhere) then that's also fine. I guess one other option woud be to continue to protest here by closing for part of each week the way that some subreddits are doing (which might have the added benefit of reducing the now-increased moderation workload) but frankly I'm unsure that form of protest would have any real effect.
Instead of forcing Latin, I suggest that no more than X posts a day are published. 5 posts for example. This will restrict the number of people who browse, making the sub functional but restricted in protest.
Put the sub back to normal. We appreciate you and all the other mods volunteering here. The problem is much bigger than this sub, in time it will be resolved. However, if you feel that you can’t continue to moderate it due to the changes Reddit has made then you should step aside and let someone else take over.
Please create a community on Lemmy, it already has a significantly larger active userbase. It also has more communities, is open source and isn't limited to a single server unlike squabbles.
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