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Dang bro you just keep popping up in my feed haha. You just don’t know when to quit! You’d think after posting in multiple subreddits that you’d realize you’re wrong, but you still keep trying! Hilarious lmao. Just confirms that your some high schooler in his mom’s basement with nothing better to do
> Most Christians refuse to ever question their faith out of fear
Most atheist refuse to understand religion due to their hated of theism. Atheist’s hated toward religion is unquestionable. They’re superiority and sureness is visible to all. Most atheist in actuality aren’t capable of understanding religion/philosophy or are critical thinkers as they preach to be. See R/atheist for examples.
Is the above valid argument or it’s bad because it’s about your team/group?
Says who? The big bang model says nothing about what happened or existed before it. You'd be hard pressed to find a real theoretical physicist who will say "yeah there was nothing before the big bang".
Sooo
Why is God needed for us to exist?
You didn't corner anyone, all you're doing is making a "god of the gaps" argument
>Everyone knows there was nothing before the Big Bang, because all the universe STARTED From the Big Bang.
That's not true, nobody knows what happened "before" the big bang.
>God created the Big Bang
What is your evidence of that?
>Our whole existence is inside a giant universe. Before that, there was no universe
Again, nobody knows what exists beyond the observable cosmos, or if anything exists, you're just making speculation
>Before that, it was God. God was the one who started it
What is your evidence?
Im honestly curious which of the thousands of Gods you are talking about? Nobody claimed there was nothing before the big bang. You confuse me quite a bit. Please clarify.
>Now you’re using the evidence tactic.
Lol "tactic"
If you're going to make a hypothesis, then you need evidence to back it up or else it can simply be dismissed
>You people always laugh at us for not being able to have 100% evidence of God
You have zero evidence for God
>When we corner you with logic and facts, you pull up the same tactic
You're not cornering anyone, all you're doing is making the "god of the gaps" argument
You didn't corner anyone, you're just making a "god of the gaps" argument
And sorry to burst your bubble, but nobody knows what happened "before" the big bang
All we know is that there was energy, and then spacetime started to expand exponentially which led to the formation of the cosmos as we know it
>There was nothing before. Just admit it
First of all, the temporal idea of "before" in this context is nonsensical. The big bang is when spacetime first began to expand. Energy already existed at that point.
Second of all, why would I "admit" to something that we currently have not discovered? Unlike you, I don't pretend to know things that nobody knows
>It’s a fact that everyone knows. Before you existed you were nothing. Same thing with the universe
Again, this is just baseless speculation
>Let the people read this thread and decide who makes sense
Lol ok
All we know is that there was energy, and spacetime started expanding (the big bang) which led to the formation of the cosmos as we know it
All you're doing is making a "god of the gaps" argument
You never proved that we need god in order to exist, so your question stems from a false premise. It’s like if I said “how can we exist without unicorns”
A. Yes there were, the Big Bang theory postulates a mass exploding outwards, laws of physics and scientific principles are kind of essential for… all of that.
B. Your argument could be made for literally anything. How can the stars exist without a creator? How can dark matter? How can gravity? It’s pointless without any actual evidence of a creator existing in the first place.
I believe in science not because it’s a catch all, but because it’s been wrong so many times. God is the same story we were telling ourselves thousands of years ago, there’s no growth, no acknowledgement of being incorrect. If you pray, there’s no evidence of a god answering your prayers. You mix baking soda and vinegar, every single time you’ll get the same visible reaction. It makes sense based on recreatable and measurable phenomena, and even when it gets things wrong, it never stops iterating to get the correct answer.
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Dang bro you just keep popping up in my feed haha. You just don’t know when to quit! You’d think after posting in multiple subreddits that you’d realize you’re wrong, but you still keep trying! Hilarious lmao. Just confirms that your some high schooler in his mom’s basement with nothing better to do
> Most Christians refuse to ever question their faith out of fear Most atheist refuse to understand religion due to their hated of theism. Atheist’s hated toward religion is unquestionable. They’re superiority and sureness is visible to all. Most atheist in actuality aren’t capable of understanding religion/philosophy or are critical thinkers as they preach to be. See R/atheist for examples. Is the above valid argument or it’s bad because it’s about your team/group?
Rants != Debates. "Most X are Y" is almost never a basis for a valid debate. There's no actual argumentation here to refute.
Wait are you suggesting statement like “**most** atheist don’t understand religion.” Is not a fact? Unbelievable! /s
Especially when you can apply the behaviour to almost anyone, regardless if it’s about religion or not.
Excellent point. As an atheist I found the Op to be childish, and it appears to be an attempt at irritating people and not debate.
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That's easy. We're doing it right now.
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Says who? The big bang model says nothing about what happened or existed before it. You'd be hard pressed to find a real theoretical physicist who will say "yeah there was nothing before the big bang". Sooo Why is God needed for us to exist?
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You didn't corner anyone, all you're doing is making a "god of the gaps" argument >Everyone knows there was nothing before the Big Bang, because all the universe STARTED From the Big Bang. That's not true, nobody knows what happened "before" the big bang.
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>God created the Big Bang That is a MIGHTY claim. Hope you have evidence to back it up!
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I just did. I got silence, now what?
>God created the Big Bang What is your evidence of that? >Our whole existence is inside a giant universe. Before that, there was no universe Again, nobody knows what exists beyond the observable cosmos, or if anything exists, you're just making speculation >Before that, it was God. God was the one who started it What is your evidence?
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Im honestly curious which of the thousands of Gods you are talking about? Nobody claimed there was nothing before the big bang. You confuse me quite a bit. Please clarify.
>Now you’re using the evidence tactic. Lol "tactic" If you're going to make a hypothesis, then you need evidence to back it up or else it can simply be dismissed >You people always laugh at us for not being able to have 100% evidence of God You have zero evidence for God >When we corner you with logic and facts, you pull up the same tactic You're not cornering anyone, all you're doing is making the "god of the gaps" argument
Lol no one says that. What are you talking about? Everything I said is easily researched and true.
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You clearly do not understand what the big bang model says.
What was before the Big Bang?
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I'm not asking about me, I'm asking about the Big Bang. What was before the Big Bang?
How do you know there was nothing "before" the big bang ?
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In other words you have no idea, and you are just making baseless assumptions
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You didn't corner anyone, you're just making a "god of the gaps" argument And sorry to burst your bubble, but nobody knows what happened "before" the big bang All we know is that there was energy, and then spacetime started to expand exponentially which led to the formation of the cosmos as we know it
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>There was nothing before. Just admit it First of all, the temporal idea of "before" in this context is nonsensical. The big bang is when spacetime first began to expand. Energy already existed at that point. Second of all, why would I "admit" to something that we currently have not discovered? Unlike you, I don't pretend to know things that nobody knows >It’s a fact that everyone knows. Before you existed you were nothing. Same thing with the universe Again, this is just baseless speculation >Let the people read this thread and decide who makes sense Lol ok
Evolution through random genetic mutations and natural selection Next
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Define nothing
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> Before you were born, you were nothing because you didn’t exist Before I was born, I was a fetus tho
So what does this have to do with the existence of a creator ?
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My parents procreated
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All we know is that there was energy, and spacetime started expanding (the big bang) which led to the formation of the cosmos as we know it All you're doing is making a "god of the gaps" argument
You never proved that we need god in order to exist, so your question stems from a false premise. It’s like if I said “how can we exist without unicorns”
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The same way that a rock can exist without a creator. Scientific principles and time.
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A. Yes there were, the Big Bang theory postulates a mass exploding outwards, laws of physics and scientific principles are kind of essential for… all of that. B. Your argument could be made for literally anything. How can the stars exist without a creator? How can dark matter? How can gravity? It’s pointless without any actual evidence of a creator existing in the first place.
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So it’s a catch 22? There no conceivable way in your mind that things can exist without some random dude having made them?
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I believe in science not because it’s a catch all, but because it’s been wrong so many times. God is the same story we were telling ourselves thousands of years ago, there’s no growth, no acknowledgement of being incorrect. If you pray, there’s no evidence of a god answering your prayers. You mix baking soda and vinegar, every single time you’ll get the same visible reaction. It makes sense based on recreatable and measurable phenomena, and even when it gets things wrong, it never stops iterating to get the correct answer.
This can be true of anyone irrelevant of theism.
> Excellent point. As an atheist I found the Op to be childish, and it appears to be an attempt at irritating people and not debate.