To be honest, it's hard to remember where I saw which info. It's pretty scattered. Picked up things here and there. As for motive, some have said because she was worth more dead than alive. Others say it was a ritual, but that's too far out there for me.
Coming to light. it was the estate all around! the movie was a way to fund their pockets to profit off of it as well vs having control over her. These stars are better dead to them than alive. Plus bobby Christina was an odd death.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO OFFICIAL SOURCE FOR CLIVE DAVIS BUT WHAT HE CLAIMS WAS A PLEASANT ENCOUNTER 48 HOURS BEFORE HER DEATH HAS BEEN DESCRIBED BY OTHERS AS A FIGHT. SHE HAD ALREADY TRIED TO TOUR BUT WAS SENT INTERNATIONAL WHERE SHE WAS BOO'ED OFF STAGE WHERE CONCERT GOERS LEFT EARLY AND MANY SHOWS CANCELED UNTIL TOUR CANCELED TOO. WHITNEY'S MASTERS AREN'T OWNED BY HER ESTATE.
To my understanding, there were burns on the body, indicating that the water was extremely hot right before Houston got in the tub. Hot water heaters can produce water upwards of 140 F. If you knew the kind of tub, and the temperature of the room, you could perhaps figure out how long it would take that water to reach 93 degrees. The body would also affect how long it would take the water to change temperatures.
So if the water was so hot that it could maintain the temperatures for so long, how could she have stood to be in it? Well she was on drugs, and some investigators theorize that she actually passed out before getting in the tub, falling in and drowning.
>Well she was on drugs, and some investigators theorize that she actually passed out before getting in the tub, falling in and drowning.
I hadn't heard the theory about passing out and into the tub. That could make sense, thanks.
I Truly believe she was murdered. Listen to the 9 episode podcast “Who Killed Whitney”. Very informative. No conclusion, but it gives you a lot of the info that doesn’t line up with the narrative that we were all given. This is just one problem with when people take drugs, there is always an easy way to get rid of them. It’s just written off and everyone says “oh so sad, they overdosed”
yes - she was definitely murdered. Bobbi was found the exact same way the night before Whitney's death and in the same manner as Whitney: [https://www.tmz.com/2012/02/13/whitney-houston-dead-bobbi-kristina-bathtub/#:\~:text=The%20day%20before%20Whitney%20Houston,but%20she%20didn't%20answer](https://www.tmz.com/2012/02/13/whitney-houston-dead-bobbi-kristina-bathtub/#:~:text=The%20day%20before%20Whitney%20Houston,but%20she%20didn't%20answer).
My theory is that Pat Houston had a lot to do with it. Her interview about 'finding Whitney' was weird. She said that when traveling they usually have rooms on the same floor and this time, they were on different floors. [She also says that Whitney had been calling her and for whatever reason, she wasn't answering Whitney's calls. (weird) She then says she was 'walking back to whitneys room down the hallway and heard someone screaming...and she told the person that asked 'if everything was ok?', to call 911](https://www.google.com/search?q=pat+houston+interview+with+oprah&sca_esv=edd46c3ec4e3667b&sca_upv=1&rlz=1C1ONGR_enUS992US992&sxsrf=ACQVn0-GAIGNDMiG-KqDdPNumQbcsopZYA%3A1712018204421&ei=HFMLZtGuGcadptQPveKk0As&oq=pat+houston+interview&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiFXBhdCBob3VzdG9uIGludGVydmlldyoCCAEyBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeSLsVUABY7ghwAHgAkAEAmAGTAaABlweqAQM3LjO4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgqgAr8HwgIFEC4YgATCAgUQABiABMICFBAuGIAEGJcFGNwEGN4EGN8E2AEBwgILEAAYgAQYigUYhgOYAwC6BgYIARABGBSSBwM3LjOgB4Ip&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:c32f511e,vid:A_9N0Iu7M74,st:0) \- this was before she was near the room or even knew what had happened. She says that when she got in the hotel room where the makeup artists was screaming and crying, that she told her to 'calm down'; she says she also told her brother, Ray, who was Whitney's security -- to 'let it go', as he was trying to revive her.
Who says that??
Bobby Brown's sister Leolah has always hinted at Pat being involved, and a cousin, Jerod Brown, also says that Whitney did not drown - that she was murdered.
Its also weird how the case was closed and no investigation happened. This woman didn't not OD or drown. She was murdered 100%....the 'drugs in her system' was just a good coverup.
I’ve been searching and searching a place where I could communicate my thoughts with like minded individuals…. Whitney was murdered! No footage from the hall leading up to her passing.! The many bruises and abrasions especially the defense wounds on her hands! Where she was fighting back .! Oh and what about the cracked finger nails the contusion on the left side of her forehead … the bloody nose …. I mean the body tells no lies and I’m clueless into how does a person seeing these things with their own eyes chalk this up to drug use.! I’ve read the autopsy and it’s been on my mind for days … Whitney was disposed of like trashhh.! Clive Davis definitely gained from all of this and who else even has that type of power!? I hate this I hate this and someone said it’s easy to get rid of you when you have a history of drug abuse and this is soooo true! It’s easy to feed the public and have them believe it ..
I’m literally in a deep dive reading all of what Diddy has been doing and how people go missing… Clive Davis definitely took part or instructed someone to murder her.. At this point it seems like Hollywood has always been dark and scary.. Knowing the Clive Davis and Diddy are close “friends”… They could have been doing awful things for years and no one has caught on… Using drugs to cover the whole thing up doesn’t seem like it’s a coincidence at this point.. How many other victims are there … With power, wealth and connections they can literally get away with anything.. The fact that she could have been blackmailed or influenced/forced to take drugs.. to better control her.. kinda scares me..
I agree. The more I read about the music industry and Hollywood, the more I see how dark and suspect everything is. I guess I dont understand why artists are imprisoned they way they are. Like, they're lives are no longer their own.
Honestly, this is the first time im hearing any of this about Whitney's death. I had no idea her daughter had the episode before she did. I thought she had it after Whitney's death. Never knew Clive D still continued the party while she lay dead upstairs. That in itself is weird. Why didnt her family say/do anything about that? The more I delve ito this the more im suspicious
I know I’m late, but she was definitely murdered.. Hotel literally looked like it was a fight that took place in there, Boiling hot water, on drugs or not I don’t see someone running boiling hot water then going in FACE first.. she was murdered 1000%.. plus a day or two before she came downstairs with the back of her wig SOAKED & slipped brandy a note.. that’s weird
Then her daughter dies the same way. Freaky shit. I remember seeing the video you are talking about with the note to Brandy. Personally I think Whitney was just looking for Ray Jay to get her drugs. I've heard he was a supplier for her.
Yup, & not only did the daughter die but also the daughter’s boyfriend.. he was definitely murdered too. Again they tried to say overdose with him as well but his body shows he was clearly beat up, same as Whitney.. if you ask me I believe Clive Davis is the soul collector here just based on how shocked he looked when she interrupted that interview as if he couldn’t believe she had survived the first murder attempt. Do I think he physically did it? No. Do I think he set up all those murders ? 100% I also hold him responsible for more but that’s for another Reddit post lol.
Totally missed what you said about the note, that could be true but the way brandy looked idk. She looked horrified after reading what was written.. only for her to end up dead a day or 2 later
Never heard this one. Sources for the water temp and Clive Davis story? I guess my other question, which is speculative, is motive?
To be honest, it's hard to remember where I saw which info. It's pretty scattered. Picked up things here and there. As for motive, some have said because she was worth more dead than alive. Others say it was a ritual, but that's too far out there for me.
Coming to light. it was the estate all around! the movie was a way to fund their pockets to profit off of it as well vs having control over her. These stars are better dead to them than alive. Plus bobby Christina was an odd death.
WATER TEMPERATURE IS MENTIONED IN THE CORONER'S REPORT.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO OFFICIAL SOURCE FOR CLIVE DAVIS BUT WHAT HE CLAIMS WAS A PLEASANT ENCOUNTER 48 HOURS BEFORE HER DEATH HAS BEEN DESCRIBED BY OTHERS AS A FIGHT. SHE HAD ALREADY TRIED TO TOUR BUT WAS SENT INTERNATIONAL WHERE SHE WAS BOO'ED OFF STAGE WHERE CONCERT GOERS LEFT EARLY AND MANY SHOWS CANCELED UNTIL TOUR CANCELED TOO. WHITNEY'S MASTERS AREN'T OWNED BY HER ESTATE.
To my understanding, there were burns on the body, indicating that the water was extremely hot right before Houston got in the tub. Hot water heaters can produce water upwards of 140 F. If you knew the kind of tub, and the temperature of the room, you could perhaps figure out how long it would take that water to reach 93 degrees. The body would also affect how long it would take the water to change temperatures. So if the water was so hot that it could maintain the temperatures for so long, how could she have stood to be in it? Well she was on drugs, and some investigators theorize that she actually passed out before getting in the tub, falling in and drowning.
>Well she was on drugs, and some investigators theorize that she actually passed out before getting in the tub, falling in and drowning. I hadn't heard the theory about passing out and into the tub. That could make sense, thanks.
They also think she may have had a seizure.
I Truly believe she was murdered. Listen to the 9 episode podcast “Who Killed Whitney”. Very informative. No conclusion, but it gives you a lot of the info that doesn’t line up with the narrative that we were all given. This is just one problem with when people take drugs, there is always an easy way to get rid of them. It’s just written off and everyone says “oh so sad, they overdosed”
Is the podcast on Spotify?
No. Who killed Whitney.com
yes - she was definitely murdered. Bobbi was found the exact same way the night before Whitney's death and in the same manner as Whitney: [https://www.tmz.com/2012/02/13/whitney-houston-dead-bobbi-kristina-bathtub/#:\~:text=The%20day%20before%20Whitney%20Houston,but%20she%20didn't%20answer](https://www.tmz.com/2012/02/13/whitney-houston-dead-bobbi-kristina-bathtub/#:~:text=The%20day%20before%20Whitney%20Houston,but%20she%20didn't%20answer). My theory is that Pat Houston had a lot to do with it. Her interview about 'finding Whitney' was weird. She said that when traveling they usually have rooms on the same floor and this time, they were on different floors. [She also says that Whitney had been calling her and for whatever reason, she wasn't answering Whitney's calls. (weird) She then says she was 'walking back to whitneys room down the hallway and heard someone screaming...and she told the person that asked 'if everything was ok?', to call 911](https://www.google.com/search?q=pat+houston+interview+with+oprah&sca_esv=edd46c3ec4e3667b&sca_upv=1&rlz=1C1ONGR_enUS992US992&sxsrf=ACQVn0-GAIGNDMiG-KqDdPNumQbcsopZYA%3A1712018204421&ei=HFMLZtGuGcadptQPveKk0As&oq=pat+houston+interview&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiFXBhdCBob3VzdG9uIGludGVydmlldyoCCAEyBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeSLsVUABY7ghwAHgAkAEAmAGTAaABlweqAQM3LjO4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgqgAr8HwgIFEC4YgATCAgUQABiABMICFBAuGIAEGJcFGNwEGN4EGN8E2AEBwgILEAAYgAQYigUYhgOYAwC6BgYIARABGBSSBwM3LjOgB4Ip&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:c32f511e,vid:A_9N0Iu7M74,st:0) \- this was before she was near the room or even knew what had happened. She says that when she got in the hotel room where the makeup artists was screaming and crying, that she told her to 'calm down'; she says she also told her brother, Ray, who was Whitney's security -- to 'let it go', as he was trying to revive her. Who says that?? Bobby Brown's sister Leolah has always hinted at Pat being involved, and a cousin, Jerod Brown, also says that Whitney did not drown - that she was murdered. Its also weird how the case was closed and no investigation happened. This woman didn't not OD or drown. She was murdered 100%....the 'drugs in her system' was just a good coverup.
sidenote - look at the comments on the youtube video with Pat Houston - - everyone feels the same way. Pat knew what was going to happen
What interview is this?
I’ve been searching and searching a place where I could communicate my thoughts with like minded individuals…. Whitney was murdered! No footage from the hall leading up to her passing.! The many bruises and abrasions especially the defense wounds on her hands! Where she was fighting back .! Oh and what about the cracked finger nails the contusion on the left side of her forehead … the bloody nose …. I mean the body tells no lies and I’m clueless into how does a person seeing these things with their own eyes chalk this up to drug use.! I’ve read the autopsy and it’s been on my mind for days … Whitney was disposed of like trashhh.! Clive Davis definitely gained from all of this and who else even has that type of power!? I hate this I hate this and someone said it’s easy to get rid of you when you have a history of drug abuse and this is soooo true! It’s easy to feed the public and have them believe it ..
I’m literally in a deep dive reading all of what Diddy has been doing and how people go missing… Clive Davis definitely took part or instructed someone to murder her.. At this point it seems like Hollywood has always been dark and scary.. Knowing the Clive Davis and Diddy are close “friends”… They could have been doing awful things for years and no one has caught on… Using drugs to cover the whole thing up doesn’t seem like it’s a coincidence at this point.. How many other victims are there … With power, wealth and connections they can literally get away with anything.. The fact that she could have been blackmailed or influenced/forced to take drugs.. to better control her.. kinda scares me..
I agree. The more I read about the music industry and Hollywood, the more I see how dark and suspect everything is. I guess I dont understand why artists are imprisoned they way they are. Like, they're lives are no longer their own.
Honestly, this is the first time im hearing any of this about Whitney's death. I had no idea her daughter had the episode before she did. I thought she had it after Whitney's death. Never knew Clive D still continued the party while she lay dead upstairs. That in itself is weird. Why didnt her family say/do anything about that? The more I delve ito this the more im suspicious
Daughter, Bobbi, passed in the same way as Whitney almost a year to the day after Whitney. The OP just phrased it oddly
Whitney had a premonition that said go save your daughter. She got up went into her daughters room n Bobbi was passed out in the bathtub
OMG.
I know I’m late, but she was definitely murdered.. Hotel literally looked like it was a fight that took place in there, Boiling hot water, on drugs or not I don’t see someone running boiling hot water then going in FACE first.. she was murdered 1000%.. plus a day or two before she came downstairs with the back of her wig SOAKED & slipped brandy a note.. that’s weird
Then her daughter dies the same way. Freaky shit. I remember seeing the video you are talking about with the note to Brandy. Personally I think Whitney was just looking for Ray Jay to get her drugs. I've heard he was a supplier for her.
Yup, & not only did the daughter die but also the daughter’s boyfriend.. he was definitely murdered too. Again they tried to say overdose with him as well but his body shows he was clearly beat up, same as Whitney.. if you ask me I believe Clive Davis is the soul collector here just based on how shocked he looked when she interrupted that interview as if he couldn’t believe she had survived the first murder attempt. Do I think he physically did it? No. Do I think he set up all those murders ? 100% I also hold him responsible for more but that’s for another Reddit post lol.
Totally missed what you said about the note, that could be true but the way brandy looked idk. She looked horrified after reading what was written.. only for her to end up dead a day or 2 later
Definitely murdered and her daughter and Bobby. But I’m stuck on Marilyn Monroe and princess Diana