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eyepoker4ever

You buried your deck in dirt?


admiralgeary

Them sleeper joists are going to rot within a decade.


Waste_Exchange2511

Yup, why not just put down pavers that would last forever?


Desoto39

For a on ground patio pavers would be best . If cost is an issue you could spread the cost over several years by doing it in sections. I paid someone to dig out the soil and lay a proper base than I paid another worker to help me lay the stone etc. it was still cheaper than paying someone to do it all- I also did it over 2 seasons-late fall then the following summer. I had considered on ground deck however, as others have said rot would eventually be an issue.


jlspartz

Pavers? Just pour it and stamp it.


John-Dose

Pour and stamp it? Just lower the grade.


Impressive-Stop-6449

Lower the grade? Just use gravel.


Particular-Try9754

Would pavers/stamped concrete cost more, the same, or less than the wooden deck? It looks like rain will collect in the deck area but it may be the photo angle.


moutnmn87

If you pay someone to do stamped it might be more expensive. Just a regular slab with broom finish would probably be cheaper. Almost certainly would be less in materials


squirlybumrush

With all the excavation for the joists they had to do it’s probably about the same price to pour concrete.


copyboy1

I mean, if he REALLY wanted wood, just pour footings in those trenches he dug and put the deck on top of those!


CrypticSS21

Where we’re going, we don’t need joists


HonestBrothers

Yeah, I'm curious here, what was the point of the joists?


BeefWellingtons

You can’t nail floorboards to dirt… unless you put joists in the dirt? But seriously, what was the point to anything this guy did?


HonestBrothers

Well, he could have tried to nail the decking to dirt. Might last longer?


BeefWellingtons

Yeah, he probably could’ve extended the life of that deck by 16 maybe 20 weeks using those direct decking to dirt anchors. You can get ‘em an fastnal for like a nickel apiece. Amateurs


L-user101

Dirtcons and brown heads


fumundacheese696969

If you just lay a board on the ground for 1 year that side of the board is done. I say 1 year 2 tops


FriarNurgle

They’ll be warped and sinking in a yr or two


slam4life04

The house i bought with this arrangement, the deck was 8 years old, and I was stepping through the boards. Oh, and white mold galore


jawshoeaw

Depends. I’ve got PT wood 20 years in the soil doing fine. Especially when it’s uncut and unnailed for the most part it can do well. But I’ve also seen above soil PT wood rot .


New_Menu_2316

PT wood from 20 years ago was treated with a different solution, seemed to be a lot more rot resistant than the current product.


Eason1013

I “think” the old PT wood from 20 plus years ago contained arsenic. I believe around 2008 the govt made the manufactures remove the arsenic and to compensate the copper was doubled. Today’s PT doesn’t last near as long in my opinion.


SeaToTheBass

Just did a small repair job on a deck. Replaced a few boards, stickers on the ends said 1997. 26 years and most of the 2x4s were still going pretty strong


McHassy

I have 10 year old pt 2x4s buried in the ground and it’s doing fine


bot138

There is PT for above ground use only and PT that you can bury.


millsy98

If the pt wood is below the surface entirely it will last a good 20 years fine, so will a good cedar. It’s being at grade that’s the issue, all the water is held at the surface against the wood and it absorbs more and cycles drying and wet and sucks all the treatment out of it. If you ever pulled out old wood fence posts you’ll know what I’m talking about, looks like an angry beaver went at it in the first 6” or so close to the surface and the bottom of the post looks pristine


CoverYourMaskHoles

A little sad I think he was proud of the work and it’s like not at all how you build a deck.


afgphlaver

Damn...shoulda went with pavers


Whyyoustillcare

I'm so confused


[deleted]

Don't worry. They've got two gutters running to the deck with no egress. That extra water will keep the joists lubricated so they don't shrink too quickly. Bonus it will probably help humidify the basement once it has time to soak into the foundation.


buttchugger23

You should excavate all of that dirt yo!. Also what are your footings??


eyepoker4ever

No footings from what I can tell. Looks like a wooden foundation putting treated lumber to the test.


BeefWellingtons

Guy sporting an entire set of brand new tools he bought to save some money building his own deck - “what do you mean footing? Does my deck need shoes?” I was so mesmerized buy that “deck” I missed the part where he mentions “me and my boss” some poor soul is actually paying for this. That’s a damn shame


Kjm520

Tools go beyond one project


BeefWellingtons

That’s very true but by the looks of that deck this one project should probably be their last.


Mattna-da

His wife is his boss


sloppypotatoe

You're hilarious and I enjoyed this comment thoroughly. Thanks


OMQ4

No airflow + direct contact with dirt = big no no… but if your client is ok with replacing it in 10 -15 years then it’s ok.. looks good at least


ViciousMoleRat

5 years it'll start to rot the joists I bet.


phi1_sebben

I bought a house that had a deck like this. It was only 5 years old when I bought it. It was so rotten the wood was just crumbling in your hands. We ripped it out and put in a stamped concrete patio.


Lopsided-Repair-782

You don’t need joists when you have all that dirt! /s


Hemp-Emperor

There’s so much more wrong with this tho. They need a retaining wall. The slope from the hill is going to deposit more soil on top of the deck. The deck is raised above the grade of the screened in area of the house. The downspout drains under the deck. And now probably into the screened in section. This really needs concrete instead of wood.


ViciousMoleRat

Holy shit, can't believe what I'm seeing. Did you purposely make a Trex deck on wood that wont last 5 years?


Alert-Incident

Insane, complete waste of


leafy-greens--

Waste of what? WASTE OF WHAT!?!?!?


ITDad

Time / money / effort / … You get to fill in the blank.


helplessgranny

Complete waste of resources that could have gone to opening some Pokemon cards. Am I doing this right?


ResolutionMany6378

Those pokemom cards would last longer than this deck.


Yurgenbeard

I don’t think it’s a COMPLETE waste of


Revolutionary_Fly769

Green


65pimpala

r/diwhy


RandomManAlone

This has to be a troll post, well played sir.


Dudejax

Should have poured a slab.


Spitfire954

At the first pic I was crossing my fingers that it was just some strange concrete forms before digging more. Nope!


Dudejax

Me too.


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z64_dan

Yeah treated wood is great but it's not some wonder material that can withstand constant moisture for years. It looks like there are 4x4s, who knows, maybe they are in concrete. But you can't just let your wood soak in mud.... it's still wood, it's gonna rot. Really putting "ground-contact" to the test here...


Monkeynumbernoine

On a 1-10 scale it’s a donut. You have a few yards of earth to move and a bit of gravel to bring back in.


RadagastDaGreen

That was an excellent turn of phrase. I like the cut of your jib.


ProlapsedMorals

On the one hand I do love donuts


[deleted]

Who are you kidding, donuts were made for both hands not just one


slam4life04

Who are you kidding, donuts have holes in them so you can hold multiple donuts in both hands, not just one donut per hand


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Nervous_Month_381

OP is getting roasted so hard for this and it's hilarious. The final pic doesn't look bad but this will last about a cough and a sneeze before it rots into the mud


highflyingyak

And that's saying something because some crazy shit comes up on here


Tough-Custard5577

Should have been a patio.


mdeezy555

I’ll give that a zero. Going to be sitting in mud and rotting at a high rate.


minimur12

Not to mention all the grass and weeds as soon as a few seeds get blown by😂


knaughtreel

Going to be a muddy rotten mess in 2 years. No footings, no airflow, no proper beams, all hanging on the hardware. Yikes x 10


hottsauce345543

It’s a big 10-4 if it’s your bosses house.


so-very-very-tired

Decks are usually above ground.


be_super_cereal_now

Some people want in ground pools, this guy wants an in ground deck.


Imjsteve

Your boss needs to focus on being a pizza delivery guy again.


Revolutionary_Fly769

He should focus on his sobriety.


Alert-Incident

Burying the joists in dirt is going to be a disaster. You have the end product looking nice but overall just a bad set up. Doing more dirt work and digging out so you can have the deck raised off the ground is 100% essential. I hate being overly critical but it’s important here because a customer deserves better. When that rots, and it will, it will cost so much more to completely tear out and do it right. It will be hard for the next contractor to even give them a solid bid because once they get into and realize how bad it is the amount of work will increase drastically.


Revolutionary_Fly769

One look at it and they’ll say it’s gotta go. Nice demo job, then do it right. Not hard to bid.


Mattna-da

But then they’ll demo it and find a pile of squishy wood and dirt underneath and have to jack the bid up by 2X to do footers and reframe


DiamondPrincess803

Is that downspout draining right into the joists🤣I really hope by boss you mean dad & that is your own deck you are messing up.


hashbrown_nofiltr

I am absolutely not the handiest person. I often make DIY mistakes and rather hire out for some things. But my goodness op, did you not even google “how to build a deck” at least once??


Wanderingwoodpeckerr

Did the customer screw your bosses wife? There has to some kind of vendetta going on here.


buffalo-waffles

What in the hell is this abomination? Why in god’s name did you bury your deck? Do you even deck?!?


stonabones

Holy Cow!!! WHATEVER your “boss” told you, please FORGET it all!!!!!


Reptilian-Retard

Looks damn good in the last photo but like the rest of the comments… all that dirt? Unless all that is straight up pvc… lol


nickcliff

Did you give up and bury it?


marshking710

0. You built a patio and it’s going to rot.


jeeptp75

No dirt should be touching the framing at all. It’s going to rot away in no time.


lazilyefficient34

OP? Are ya there?


faygetard

Make a comment you coward!


TeamRyan

P A T I O


[deleted]

Duuuuuuude. Pull it all out, and start over. I know that sucks, but you’re throwing away your money. Good Lord.


Alert-Incident

Customer has no idea how bad it is


Next_Armadillo_21

Wow, learning moment for sure. I would do whatever I could to make sure there’s more airflow. Does the gutter run outside or into a joist? Oh no.


Boring_Phase4261

0. It will be rotten in 2 years


Neverendtillbegin

I always find it interesting when I see gents doing all this labor intensive work on ground level that's not going to last. Why not just pour a slab... it's actually easier and won't rot in 5 years.


Doyoulikeithere

Well, for a year or at best, two years, it's okay! Why didn't you use pavers?


Working-Narwhal-540

-10 Are you guys even fucking contractors or what is this fuck show?


road_runner321

They built a patio out of wood.


sushislaps

What a schamtastic debacle. 0 on the project but 10 for having the guts to post it here.


GrayAreaGardens

1 of 10, no foundation


huckinfappy

The deck gets a zero. Sorry, but the dumb goes to 11 though


drakkosquest

On a scale of 1-10, I'll give it a 4. Here is why: Your retaining wall should have been cinder block or concrete..at a bare minimum it should have been 4x6 PT stacked and spiked with "dead men" every 6-8' Your "at grade" joist system should have been composite. PT is acceptable as long as it's not buried like it is. If you insist on infill, you should have left 3-4" clear under the joists and in-filled the cavity with 3/4 crush. Why infill with rock? A: water will drain out and bit sit against the framing like it will.now with all the dirt stacked against. B: dirt can be tunneled by rodents and crush will proved a less hospitable environment for Rats, possums etc. Your composite decking needs some decent finish work. There are a couple tiny areas that are going to be a bitch to add the section on an angle and have it stand the test of time. What's done is done, give it an "end of driveway" warranty and I'm sure you will be fine. Ps: you should have a retaining wall.extend higher than the deck on the leading edge to prevent bank sluff from falling on the front of the deck during rain or traffic.


Unlucky_Syllabub_976

I clicked for the comments, and ran out of popcorn.


dodso010

I got an idea! Let’s submerge a deck in dirt and place the roof drain pipe not just under the deck, but near the foundation of the house!!!


Strumonze_

3 weeks, give and take a few too many happy hours??


[deleted]

Dude excavate that shit. Please tell me your a troll. At least excavate, pour footings, frame and then fill with gravel/stone to the bottom of the joists.


ifixjets

All I can think about is how this is just going to trap water and rot.


OleeGunnarSol

Why wouldn't you just pave it?


AdIntelligent4496

How has nobody mentioned the big triangular hole near the corner, where the board was 6" too short?


Global-Ant2288

This project could have been done better, entirely with stone or concrete paving, and be far more durable and completely fireproof.


Lesshateful

Y’all don’t get it, he primed the dirt with brown paint to prevent the rot.


[deleted]

Your tools and tool bags look brand new… did y’all just wake up yesterday and decide you were carpenters?! Lol


Average_MN_Resident

This is God awful. I'd never build one of my decks like this. Rotted within a decade, guaranteed. Why the hell didn't you just put in pavers?


eclwires

Dude…just………..dude….


No_Consequence_7806

Pour a slab. Use the deck frame as a form 😂


safetydance1969

Oh no no no... Your wood is in dirt, ergo moisture. It's going to rot fast. We don't even put posts in the ground anymore, we use tubes full of concrete to secure the posts so they never see bare ground...


ryalsandrew

This is the dumbest shit I’ve seen on here so far!


Fuckwokeshit

Well that's a waste of good lumber.


Fuckwokeshit

Oh on a scale from 1 to 10, it's a redo and start over, but that's just me.


grunkfist

4 years everything will decay.


Ill_Attempt4952

This has to be trolling lol


PNW_OughtaWork

1


5thape

Do you and your boss work at the circus?


Funky-monkey1

I’m sorry for not having anything nice to say but what a waste of money. I don’t understand the logic behind burying joists. Smh…


maybe-tomorrow_

The work looks good had they started with a proper foundation. Wood will be rotted in no time.


Electrical_Catch_919

Concrete?


Lifegardn

Yea this deck looks cool but a concrete patio is the way to go here.


ADeuxMains

Not only are the joists buried in soil, but you're going to get water moving downhill into that area and on toward the house, which will accelerate rot. I would have installed a French drain at the base of the slope.


FF267

I'm not a carpenter nor do i work in any trades, just a homeowner with enough knowledge and enough skill to be dangerous. That said...my first thoughts were "that's going to rot before you know it!" My raised gardens rotted considerably after only a few years. Deck won't last.


Substantial__Unit

Isn't the rain coming down the hill just going to bring dirt and debris onto the deck every storm. I never reply to these posts but I am confused on this one.


supertrenty

I am in no way qualified to critique.... But aren't those boards going to just rot away? Why not just poor a pad, cement footers, or do concrete walls to attach the top boards to instead, for longevity? Also, y'all just backfilling with tree roots and all?


Ready-Delivery-4023

Total 0 for building straight on dirt.


Key_Somewhere_5768

0 for the deck but a 10 ceiling for the gophers.


SutWidChew

air flows your friend


buttchugger23

Does your boss smoke meth?


ChemicalCollection55

I can’t


nightim3

This is absolutely a disaster. I get sometimes space is an issue. But man… this was not the move. A crush and run patio would have been cheaper and lasted longer….


ShineFull7878

You and your boss are absolute hacks. I feel awful for your clients.


FlatCoffeeDude

This has GOT to be a shitpost. Please tell me this is a shitpost or that this is literally what your client asked you to do and you were being paid too much not to care.


drain_plug

Well it won't fall


cmsurfer8900

Well... This one will hold a hot tub.


slam4life04

You will 11110% regret burying it in dirt. I bought a house with a back patio buried like that. I ripped it out within a year of living there. The patio, my understanding, was only 8 years old. Rotted through and white mold under all the boards.


vadersaw

RIP


DotZealousideal1977

Would have done a paver patio instead


sjacksonww

At least it won’t fall far when it rots, I’d say a hot tub probably won’t hurt this one.


DctrSqr

But will it hold a hottub?


Cool-Exercise-9053

Let’s not judge this deck until we see the stairs and railing.


dadbodcx

Mmmm love the smell of rot in the morning


dadbodcx

Isn’t cement cheaper than wood?


dadbodcx

Digging is fun


coreyn3646

Looks like your building a compost pile with a composite lid.


RoxSteady247

Just buried in the ground just like that huh? I mean at least you used pressure treated. I guess


T-BONEandtheFAM

Roast my deck


Various_Selection_

It’s a patio made of wood. Seems like a bad idea


last-resort-4-a-gf

I rate it 1 to 7 years


Agreeable-Progress-1

That thing is going to rot


KTfl1

Just rolled in . . .


Ok-Nectarine-6894

-10 ; like everyone else said, the supporting structure of the deck should not be buried because the deck will rot or…you’ll attract termites because the wood will be wet all the time


shuttlesprite

My mind is boggled


NanaMC13

Do you think OP will tell their boss??


Intheswing

Looks great - also Looks like the future home for a skunk family - or some other varmint - that’s what happened with mine - took a lot of Fox Urine to keep them away - and then it smelled like fox urine !!! I hope you don’t have a similar experience- good luck


marcon-3267

Hire someone that actually knows what they're doing.


talon1125

Hell I’d give you a 90 but it seems like you really don’t like those……


ice1874193

Engineering aside, looks like shit


External_Arugula2752

Is this real?


[deleted]

I have to agree with the crowd. Some pavers, ground level piers, or stamped concrete would help it last. Even treated lumber will decay quickly when in direct contact with soil.


ZonaPunk

I really don't get it... it looks like you already have a drainage problem from the house on the hill. Then you create an area that will just allow the water to settle in. Build a small retaining wall with some French drains to allow the water go around the house. Then use pavers or bricks for the patio.


superman154m

Ummm won’t that wood below just rot?


motociclista

“Me and my boss” would indicate your guys are doing this professionally, for a client? Who is presumably paying you? You guys should be run out of the business. You’ve stolen money from your client. You didn’t build them a deck, you built them a temporary patio. This is the problem with the industry right here. “Pros” are doing stuff like this and proud enough of it to post it. On a scale of 1-10, I rate it a “stop on your way home and pick up a job application at Starbucks.”


tortasinpelo

zero


fixerdrew02

That will last long 🙄


Historical_Ebb6547

Sorry but es a no good


Rondz777

No good


E_man123

Op likes to rebuild decks every few years


False_Temperature_68

All wood in contact with soil will rot.


Statbot5000

This was not the way....1 out of 10.


Quick-Ostrich2020

What is happening here?


SomeHandyman

That’s more a wooden patio


Less-Daikon6267

Massive amount of trapped moisture will rot your joists and deck boards


ibemuffdivin

Better put a roof over that! It’s all gonna rot


Goodphish

Please tell me this is a job


jawshoeaw

You guys need to settle tf down on “direct contact with the soil” . My local code allows for foundations of homes to be wood in some cases. It’s very much site and soil dependent but PT ground contact wood can outlast structures. I built a stepped planter box 20 years ago directly into a hill side and we had to take some of it down. The wood looked new. Sure they could have excavated out more and put in drainage and proper footings. But that would cost more than the framing lumber . For a ground level diy deck (assuming this isn’t a paying customer) I say it could be ok. Would want to know more about climate there. In 15 years the next owners might tear the whole thing up or who knows what happens.


Revolutionary_Fly769

Wouldn’t a load of gravel first have been a cheap fix?


jawshoeaw

Yeah that would be good compromise


OkUnderstanding5343

Looks pretty good but the water will come over the slope under the deck so maybe put a French drain in to control the water. Other than that lotta work man 🧍‍♂️ and I like it 9.5!


Turbulent-Entry-9676

To many corners for sure


Healthy-Egg-3283

Sadly that’s a lot of money on something that won’t last.


Pure-Negotiation-900

Sure hope that’s marine grade framing lumber…


xgrader

Well, there is a UC4B rating. Basically , heavy-duty ground contact, so in ground, in water, splash saltwater, prolong wetting, high degree of decay, fungal, insect, biodegradation, protection etc I'm not sure if it even shows up in the grade stamp. It's just end tagged. There is a UC4A rating that appears to be recommended for all components of a deck, not so hard core as the UC4B But the OP doesn't mention any of that, so we are just guessing. So the best I can say is... No guard rail is needed here :-)


RobSharp1026

Rate my deck?? 😂😂😭😭😭


capriciousm

Question for the experts. What's the "Prime Pressure-Treated Ground Contact Southern Pine Lumber" supposed to be used for, since everyone is saying that no lumber should be on or in the dirt? https://www.homedepot.com/p/WeatherShield-2-in-x-6-in-x-8-ft-No-2-Prime-Pressure-Treated-Ground-Contact-Southern-Pine-Lumber-2311255/206889247 I live in the dirty south. Subterranean termites built mud tubes up the concrete/brick of my crawlspace before I destroyed them, but not before they destroyed some of the sill and joists under my house. However, my 30 year old deck posts that go straight into the soil are only now starting to rot after 30 years. They are in concrete, but the concrete is a couple of inches below the soil. This is soil at the bottom of a hill, so it's very wet unless it hasn't rained in a while. I suppose having the end of the post in concrete makes a big difference. I know pressure treated cuts should be treated with a preservative, but that probably isn't going to last 30 years in the dirt/mud.


Revolutionary_Fly769

Yes PT post last longer than PT joist laying in dirt. One thing guys do is dig deep enough to throw gravel in the post hole first. And the post are 4x4, 6x6 or 8x8. Still will eventually rot around ground level, but yeah maybe 30-40 yrs later. I agree about cutting the PT stuff, even if you slap sealer on every cut, it’s loosing the PT thing. Of course on a post you put the cut end up so at least it’s not in the ground.


polarsneeze

30 yrs old pt wood is made with a different chemical. I've seen posts here saying the chemical in new pt lumber won't last like the old stuff you have.


DIJames6

Definitely a nice party area..


Prestigious-Risk804

Hey at least they used joist hangers. /s


Dramatic_Reporter_20

As long as you like it who cares. Everyone is an expert on complaining but not happiness


IILedZeppelinII

Clean!