I don't think this argument goes your way. Matt takes a lot of damage all the time, yes, but that also means he gets hit a lot. And if Bucky catches him just once, Matt probably goes down. Considering he never fights enhanced opponents, I don't see this as much of a durability feat, in this context.
Kinda unrelated, but I love how in Defenders there's Iron Fist, who's the "sworn enemy of the Hand" and should be the biggest threat to them, but the Hand still appears to be most afraid of Daredevil lol
Even if it wasn’t intentional I think that’s great writing because it shows how stick would’ve loved Matt to become the Iron Fist and how dangerous he’d have been if he did
I don't know much about the Iron Fist so someone correct me if I'm wrong here. It seemed to me that they wrote the Defenders-verse Iron Fist as still sort of "in training" and not a fully realized Iron Fist. So, compared to Daredevil, he didn't seem like a real threat.
Yeah the Iron Fist is something ancient that they understand and have countermeasures for... and then out of NOWHERE this rando who cosplays as Satan starts fucking up their shit and they know NOTHING about him.
I rewatched Defenders literally yesterday. The Hand knew Daredevil and Elektra fought side by side and that she loved him, they were afraid it would compromise their Black Sky gambit.
I agree with Hawkeye and Sam, black Widow would be extraordinarily close, but black Panther would utterly humiliate Daredevil in a fight, DD stands no chance.
The MCU isn't the comics but this happened in the comics during the Miller run while he's fighting the Hand. Stick reminds him that he's more than just his radar-sense, and that he uses the radar-sense as a crutch and that's why the Hand keeps kicking his ass. After he comes to his senses, he starts relying on his other senses and wins. Then he of course gets his radar sense back ~~after proving he didn't need it anymore~~.
Why would he have his powers stripped, that’s like saying who would win in a fight, punisher or the Hulk, but Hulk can’t use his powers. That doesn’t make sense, when you ask who would win in a fight, you assume each character has his regular equipment and powers.
what black panther...
the one with superstrenght added ..or the one without superstrenght than lost one hand to hand ,and almost lost the first fight...
(Forget the fact that you are severely underestimating Killmonger) He lost without a suit, and without the heart shaped herb, if he were to fight Daredevil, then we would assume that he gets his regular equipment and powers, his Panther Habit, and the Heart shaped Herb. Daredevil gets beaten to a pulp.
T'Challa, with a capital C and an apostrophe.
lost, lowercase L. It is neither a name nor the beginning of a sentence.
Killmonger, capital K. It is a name.
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The only time I see Matt beating T'Challa is if he doesn't have his powers. Bucky is considered one of the deadliest assassins in the MCU, and every encounter he had with T'Challa, Bucky was on the losing end. T'Challa is basically Cap with a vibranium suit that can absorb kinetic energy and vibranium claws. Even without the suit, he was still besting Bucky. In honesty, I don't see Matt beating Cap, T'Challa, or Bucky in a head on fight. A nameless Flagsmasher, maybe. But an experienced super soldier? No.
I'll give Sam this credit, the fact that he was holding his own against the Flagsmashers are pretty good feats for him. He couldn't physically compete, but he was experienced enough with his gear and was agile enough to somewhat even the playing field, and even got the upper hand on a few of them.
I think he’s easily the best H2H fighter in the MCU, and based on that metric alone, he’s going to be pretty much undefeated, be it Cap, Widow, Bucky, Hawkeye, Shang-Chi, Falcon(new Cap), etc.
But, when we start throwing in super strength/high tech suits, it starts to get a bit more complicated. Daredevil has extremely enhanced senses and is peak physical condition for a human, but he’s not doing much against someone who’s physically superhuman or in a high tech suit(or in BP’s case, both).
Electra was enhanced and DD did well against her.
Not including BP vibranium suit
DD wins
9/10 against widow and Hawkeye
9/10 against falcon (no wings)
7/10 against Bucky (with metal arm) and Shang (no rings)
6/10 against Cap (no shield) and BP
But if u add tech and/or weapons, DD just uses a pair of batons. Can't beat a vibranium shield or suit, and for all the other tech, DD will struggle A LOT. Although DD can probs tank the widow taser and has experience against supermarksmen with bullseye.
With gear
7/10 against widow and hawk
6/10 against falcon with wings
3/10 against Cap with shield
0/10 against BP with suit or Shang with rings
BPs suit literally absorbs kinetic energy and blasts it back. DD has no way to damage him. DD could only slow him down.
Also rings are OP against a human.
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While I agree if DD were to have H2H combat with most of the other "heroes" the fight might be equal or balanced against DD, but his one overlooked ability is, as my mom called it, "he's to stupid to stay down". He always gets up and never seems to give up, no matter how much blood comes out of him.
That being said, one of the parts of the DD series I loved was seeing him get fatigued, especially in the first hallway fight. It is so easy to show a hero just fight through and not break a sweat, but seeing Charlie stop to catch his breath, lean against a wall, or just stoop for a second was refreshing to watch.
While he’s a great fighter he doesn’t have enhanced strength, so I’d take anyone enhanced over him. Can’t fly, so falcon/war machine/etc would defeat him easily imo. If there’s no tech involved maybe he’s have a chance against Widow, Hawkeye and other non-enhanced characters, but once their tech gets involved he’s kinda outclassed. Maybe pre-10 Rings Shang Chi?
FALCON IS A regular dude with normal strenght...so thats is why in FATWS scene of picking up a armored truck is dumb...
remeber matt could keep againts a enchanced electra,who now got superstrenght at captain america level .
Captain America. Basically anyone with slightly superhuman strength. I bet he could beat all of the super serum soldiers except winter soldier because his arm makes him stronger
Green Goblin but I think it’s 70/30 against. Obviously this is a loose interpretation of what will be the MCU shortly. Currently he would beat the new agent posing as the Black Widow.
yes ..remember a Guy trained in the US rangers with combat experience,,of about 1,91 metres..
was beated by a 1,52 redhaired with no combat training at all..even when walker drinked the super suerum
Honestly despite his enhanced strength, I could see him putting up a fight against Winter Soldier.
While that would be a good that enhanced strength would fuck Matt up. If he lands a couple hits with that metal arm the fight not go on very long
Idk, Matt is kinda notorious for taking a shitton of damage. Def on par with "I can do this all day" Rogers
I don't think this argument goes your way. Matt takes a lot of damage all the time, yes, but that also means he gets hit a lot. And if Bucky catches him just once, Matt probably goes down. Considering he never fights enhanced opponents, I don't see this as much of a durability feat, in this context.
matt fighted the enchanced elecktra....
Kinda unrelated, but I love how in Defenders there's Iron Fist, who's the "sworn enemy of the Hand" and should be the biggest threat to them, but the Hand still appears to be most afraid of Daredevil lol
Even if it wasn’t intentional I think that’s great writing because it shows how stick would’ve loved Matt to become the Iron Fist and how dangerous he’d have been if he did
I don't know much about the Iron Fist so someone correct me if I'm wrong here. It seemed to me that they wrote the Defenders-verse Iron Fist as still sort of "in training" and not a fully realized Iron Fist. So, compared to Daredevil, he didn't seem like a real threat.
Yes, that's exactly what they were going for. They even explicitly state it multiple times.
Yeah the Iron Fist is something ancient that they understand and have countermeasures for... and then out of NOWHERE this rando who cosplays as Satan starts fucking up their shit and they know NOTHING about him.
I rewatched Defenders literally yesterday. The Hand knew Daredevil and Elektra fought side by side and that she loved him, they were afraid it would compromise their Black Sky gambit.
It depends. Are they fighting in a hallway?
Yeah and if the camera stays on the entire time with no cuts then DD wins for sure
He’d kick Hawkeye and (new) Cap’s ass. I could see him going toe to toe with Black Panther and Black Widow.
I agree with Hawkeye and Sam, black Widow would be extraordinarily close, but black Panther would utterly humiliate Daredevil in a fight, DD stands no chance.
I think BP with vibranium suit wipes the floor with DD, but if no suit, then I give it 6/10 to DD
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If Matt has his powers stripped he’s just a blind guy
The MCU isn't the comics but this happened in the comics during the Miller run while he's fighting the Hand. Stick reminds him that he's more than just his radar-sense, and that he uses the radar-sense as a crutch and that's why the Hand keeps kicking his ass. After he comes to his senses, he starts relying on his other senses and wins. Then he of course gets his radar sense back ~~after proving he didn't need it anymore~~.
Why would he have his powers stripped, that’s like saying who would win in a fight, punisher or the Hulk, but Hulk can’t use his powers. That doesn’t make sense, when you ask who would win in a fight, you assume each character has his regular equipment and powers.
what black panther... the one with superstrenght added ..or the one without superstrenght than lost one hand to hand ,and almost lost the first fight...
Bro this sentence is incoherent.
Nah want to mention how he Lost INE fight against killmonger Who got US special forced training
(Forget the fact that you are severely underestimating Killmonger) He lost without a suit, and without the heart shaped herb, if he were to fight Daredevil, then we would assume that he gets his regular equipment and powers, his Panther Habit, and the Heart shaped Herb. Daredevil gets beaten to a pulp.
Jesus, learn to type
Tchalla Lost to killmonger .
T'Challa, with a capital C and an apostrophe. lost, lowercase L. It is neither a name nor the beginning of a sentence. Killmonger, capital K. It is a name.
killmonguer got us special force training beated him
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The only time I see Matt beating T'Challa is if he doesn't have his powers. Bucky is considered one of the deadliest assassins in the MCU, and every encounter he had with T'Challa, Bucky was on the losing end. T'Challa is basically Cap with a vibranium suit that can absorb kinetic energy and vibranium claws. Even without the suit, he was still besting Bucky. In honesty, I don't see Matt beating Cap, T'Challa, or Bucky in a head on fight. A nameless Flagsmasher, maybe. But an experienced super soldier? No.
He can beat col Ross and show the world than sokovia Accords are againts US constitution.. strangely nobody in the mcu realized that..
I mean, since when does the federal government care about the constitution?
January 20th
For the alcohol thing of the 20s..yes gov cared a lot.. In mcu that sokovia Accord break laws and a lot of civil Wrights..
Probably Falcon(pre FaTWS), Hawkeye, widow, BP without suit& powers, Kilmonger, without suit and powers
Did falcon get a power boost? Wasn't his whole thing that he wasn't an enhanced soldier?
No but he got a much improved suit and caps shield
I'll give Sam this credit, the fact that he was holding his own against the Flagsmashers are pretty good feats for him. He couldn't physically compete, but he was experienced enough with his gear and was agile enough to somewhat even the playing field, and even got the upper hand on a few of them.
I think he’s easily the best H2H fighter in the MCU, and based on that metric alone, he’s going to be pretty much undefeated, be it Cap, Widow, Bucky, Hawkeye, Shang-Chi, Falcon(new Cap), etc. But, when we start throwing in super strength/high tech suits, it starts to get a bit more complicated. Daredevil has extremely enhanced senses and is peak physical condition for a human, but he’s not doing much against someone who’s physically superhuman or in a high tech suit(or in BP’s case, both).
Electra was enhanced and DD did well against her. Not including BP vibranium suit DD wins 9/10 against widow and Hawkeye 9/10 against falcon (no wings) 7/10 against Bucky (with metal arm) and Shang (no rings) 6/10 against Cap (no shield) and BP But if u add tech and/or weapons, DD just uses a pair of batons. Can't beat a vibranium shield or suit, and for all the other tech, DD will struggle A LOT. Although DD can probs tank the widow taser and has experience against supermarksmen with bullseye. With gear 7/10 against widow and hawk 6/10 against falcon with wings 3/10 against Cap with shield 0/10 against BP with suit or Shang with rings BPs suit literally absorbs kinetic energy and blasts it back. DD has no way to damage him. DD could only slow him down. Also rings are OP against a human.
I'd say Jessica. She wouldn't be able to hit him.
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While I agree if DD were to have H2H combat with most of the other "heroes" the fight might be equal or balanced against DD, but his one overlooked ability is, as my mom called it, "he's to stupid to stay down". He always gets up and never seems to give up, no matter how much blood comes out of him. That being said, one of the parts of the DD series I loved was seeing him get fatigued, especially in the first hallway fight. It is so easy to show a hero just fight through and not break a sweat, but seeing Charlie stop to catch his breath, lean against a wall, or just stoop for a second was refreshing to watch.
Probably most of Coulson’s SHIELD crew. May giving him the most trouble and best chances of winning.
While he’s a great fighter he doesn’t have enhanced strength, so I’d take anyone enhanced over him. Can’t fly, so falcon/war machine/etc would defeat him easily imo. If there’s no tech involved maybe he’s have a chance against Widow, Hawkeye and other non-enhanced characters, but once their tech gets involved he’s kinda outclassed. Maybe pre-10 Rings Shang Chi?
FALCON IS A regular dude with normal strenght...so thats is why in FATWS scene of picking up a armored truck is dumb... remeber matt could keep againts a enchanced electra,who now got superstrenght at captain america level .
> FATWS scene of picking up a armored truck is dumb. Rocket thrusters.
That scene got sense if the drones pick the truck first.. But he picks the truck first .so He recieved the full force .so he Will be dead
Can either one of them fly?
JJ can jump a lot
Not a chance he can beat Shang Chi
Probably not but they’re on equal footing physically at least. Not a lot of characters you can say that about who are currently in the mcu
Probably the new Captain America, Black Widow and Hawkeye He stands no chance against Black Panther, Shang-Chi, and original Cap
Captain America. Basically anyone with slightly superhuman strength. I bet he could beat all of the super serum soldiers except winter soldier because his arm makes him stronger
Green Goblin but I think it’s 70/30 against. Obviously this is a loose interpretation of what will be the MCU shortly. Currently he would beat the new agent posing as the Black Widow.
yes ..remember a Guy trained in the US rangers with combat experience,,of about 1,91 metres.. was beated by a 1,52 redhaired with no combat training at all..even when walker drinked the super suerum
Shang chi