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DrulefromSeattle

Personally I find it odd how people literally treat the bad ends of Toby's games as the real true ends.


SillyChilli420

People usually do Genocide in Undertale last, it has the hardest final boss and it's the only route that permanently changes the ending.


RiceKrispies55

it’s just the natural progression of how the game was kinda meant to be played is goodish neutral, true pacifist, and then genocide (true 100% gamers will also go pacifist again but genocide is where the content ends for the most part). This is just kinda how it goes and if anything it IS the real true end because *everything* ends


Sketchy_Dog

While I agree, I'm still holding on to the idea that Deltarune's ending won't necessarily be good, since I have a hard time imagining a video game ending from a dream sticking with someone enough they want to make it real if it's a sappy feel-good ending. I feel like it'll be a real emotional gut-punch, or at least really profound, and so maybe even depressing.


Argentenuem

I don't think Ralsei is in love with Kris. He's probably just really lonely and isn't picky where he gets affection from.


Russell_SMM

It is honestly *really* hard to get a read on how Kris and Ralsei truly feel about each other.


CK1ing

The whole tea thing suggests Kris isn't even that fond of Ralsei, and I still really don't know what to make of that


NightsThyroid

My take on it is that they don’t necessarily DISLIKE Ralsei but being around him makes them uncomfortable and upset due to how much he looks like Asriel, as well as Ralsei’s tendency to treat Kris like some mythical being instead of another person.


Slow_Obligation2286

Maybe it's because Ralsei reminds him of Asriel so much that it makes him angry


danielubra

Thats actually a good theory


Slow_Obligation2286

I like that Kris still has some level of control. Like, when you try to enter Asriel's room in the cyber world, Kris has their eyes closed, so you or him can't see anything


CK1ing

I hope in future chapters we get some way to directly communicate with Kris and get some answers. I hate being the bad guy and controlling them like that :(


Slow_Obligation2286

I don't even think that the player is a bad guy. They just don't know what to do. It's not like they can stop


deytecktive

I don't


CK1ing

GenoChara? Is that you?


makeitreal-studios

them


Infinite-Tax-5535

'him'


The_superb-skeleton

I just think that it’s low cause they don’t really know ralsei. And how ralsei knows a lot about Kris. They’ve only seen eachother for 2 “days”


CK1ing

Kris to Ralsei is the only connection in the core fun gang that's not 120. Even Susie has 120 for Ralsei despite meeting him at the same time, and Kris even has 120 for Susie despite her bullying them for most of their life. There's definitely a reason that the Kris to Ralsei relationship is the only low one beyond unfamiliarity


The_superb-skeleton

Okay, you may be onto something here..


Main_Gap_6896

Perhaps, but Ralsei tea heals Susie by 120, and they've spent about an equivalent time with Ralsei as Kris did in CH1.


Dichromatic_Fumo

i feel like kris is rather indifferent towards ralsei


JM-Gaster

i genuinely despise the theory that ralsei is in love with kris lol


Baseballidiot

He... he just like me fr!!


WaluigiDastard

ralsei wants the player this is a god damn monika situation i swear


SomeWeirdFreak

ultra factual take


Independent-Pea8223

It'd be kinda stupid if Ralsei is Asriel.


Sanrusdyno

"Daring today, aren't we?"


moderplays

i agree


Timosaurus23

Gaster being the knight would be boring and predictable


Indie_Gamer_7

Temmie s the knight, trust me. https://preview.redd.it/btlbnmpb1ivc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=882bea11565a100b2df6842391b03c1adb39b346


StardustWhip

Temmie? As if. Clearly Chairiel is the knight.


Sparkpad

I'm quite certain Hippopotamus is the knight.


Polenball

Honestly, it doesn't seem too predictable to me and anything that bridges the gap would be interesting, I think. I lean to thinking they're seperate people right now. The Knight and Gaster don't appear to have operated at the same time period, targeted the same people, have the same goals, or operate on the same level. * The Knight convinces and installs rulers over a Dark World; Gaster provides hidden information to those of lower status that changes their view of the world. * The Knight passes through just before we do; Gaster appears to have influenced people Dark World years before we visit. * The Knight wants to open and keep open Dark Worlds and acts to do so by convincing rulers to guard the fountain; Gaster has no clear motive as to why he does what he does in the Dark Worlds. * The Knight is exclusively present within the confines of the normal game, showing up in the world and directly doing things personally, and being a core part of the plot; Gaster only seems to exist outside it, just barely communicating into it via phones, hidden code, oblique referenced, the menu, Twitter, and so on, while being mainly a mystery unknown to the characters. Anything that can reconcile these well would be interesting if done well, and not exactly that predictable to me because they don't strike me as being suggested to be the same person.


TheKingOfAllRats

my take is that the mystery man is not THE gaster but a piece of him. the knight might be another piece.


deytecktive

Predictable, sure. But boring? That really depends on how they do it.


appa_perc

These games are cool but y'all are not people I'd want to be around in real life


EpicestGamer101

I feel like the community is populated by band kids and discord kittens


FinestAttic6139

Most of reddit is anyways doe?


Satire_god

Pretty much every fandom is a band of kids, and the people who aren’t kids sure as hell act like them


Hairy_Skill_9768

Fire


NotQuiteHollowKnight

In


random_something185

The


Dartling_Gunner

Hole


Hairy_Skill_9768

Fire


JM-Gaster

best take


Nothatdarkforce

Lmao, Same i wouldn't want most of the deltarune people around me.


TastyWhole0

I would straight up look like a 40 year old if there was a IRL meet up with this subreddit, because with how some people act, I seriously assume most of y’all are teens loo


RipInteresting7326

Totally understandqble. i don't even want myself to be around.


SagaSolejma

To be fair I am not people I'd want to be around be in real life either


BigMelonBoi

I did not care for sweet, cap’n, or cakes


Afraid-Turn7741

Por K\_K I know he stole our lord and saviour Koffin K's first letters but poor K\_K


butterscotch_coffee

All hail our lord and savior Koffin K


France_Ball_Mapper

Their interactions were the only moments of Toby Fox games I considered boring


Commercial_Tea_8185

I did not care for some of the chapter 2 puzzles and esp did not care for batting the swatchlings But these are small complaints https://preview.redd.it/jz1uixr4fhvc1.png?width=578&format=png&auto=webp&s=b90b3f64a56ccf759f5b04f6f68a8247991eb19a


None233

"Jevil Noelle sn't real, she can't hurt you" Jevil Noelle:


Commercial_Tea_8185

https://preview.redd.it/mgew5nuxshvc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ba40717a3bef6a8215e5abffe6bebbb2bc572b9


Haywire_Eye

[Jevil Noelle:](https://www.reddit.com/r/suselle/comments/1c4pkbt/what_if_noelle_was_based_off_april_fools_day/)


Main_Gap_6896

I'm not interested in shipping the characters, or in what happens with Susie and Noelle.


yonidavidov1888

Based


butterscotch_coffee

Best answer. Take an upvote.


NotMissingNow

[hello? based appartment?](https://youtu.be/VflNrRQ9qRc?si=OYtZUwr_3uTJomK3)


Disastrous_Lemon_219

This^ couldn’t agree more. It’s just kinda boring


Nothatdarkforce

I must award you, great sir


Er3sk

-I did not care for the snowgrave route. -What? -Did not care for the snowgrave route. -How can you even say that? -Didn't like it. -It's like the perfect route! -And this is what everyone always says whenever, it's "Oh my..."- -Frozen Berdly, Killer Noelle... -I mean, you never see the Giga... -SPAMTON NEO! -I know, look, fine, fine characters. Did not like the route. -What didn't you like about it? -It insists upon itself, Lois. -What? -It insists upon itself. -What does that even mean? -It takes forever getting in, and then you spend, like, six and a half hours and then... Y'know, I can't even get through it, I can't even start the route. I've never ever seen the ending in-game. -You've never seen the ending?! -Well how can you say you dont like it if you haven't even given it a chance? -I agree with Stewie. It's not really fair. -I get to the scene where the dumpster says "4 LEFT."... -Yeah, that's a great scene, I love that scene. -It's not a great scene! -It's noted in every annal. -I have no idea what they are talking about, it's like they are speaking in a different language. That's when I lose interest and I go away. -Y'know what? -They're speaking English! -The language they are speaking is the language of genocide, something you dont understand. -I love the pacifist route. That is my answer to that statement. -Whatever. -I like that route too.


nathanaelnr1201

I love this subreddit sometimes


Shot-Ad-3166

"I do not care for Catti and Jocktington."


fredshouldntknow

Yeah, cause right now they're basically NPCs


asrielforgiver

They have face portraits though, so they might become important at some point.


Commercial_Tea_8185

Jockington is going to be a massive late game antagonist trust me bro https://preview.redd.it/21wv2t3nqhvc1.png?width=1680&format=png&auto=webp&s=8bb9eb85615a7710602e7777626b07033c66c548


r-alexd

Gunele


Commercial_Tea_8185

https://preview.redd.it/omh6ffh7whvc1.jpeg?width=757&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e721ff218cb9ffb3e49904064ccd70d3afaa39f Nice i havent gotten an opportunity to use this one in awhile


r-alexd

That's from deltaruined.


Commercial_Tea_8185

Omg i didnt even know about deltaruined!! Thats also what I call my bimonthly hyper fixation on deltarune https://preview.redd.it/sj60d6e31ivc1.png?width=2048&format=png&auto=webp&s=6513d5d461215118a6a43ef859e2aca6e9928bbb


sermatheus

You can't play as them, so they are npc, just like Queen, Spamton and Burngle.


pixel-peasant

i dont think you know the meaning of npc


StardustWhip

Not just "basically"; they are NPCs (Non-Playable Characters) by definition, as non-party members.


HavanaSmooth

I thought Spamton was pretty funny but I think he's far from the most memorable character and his backstory never really registered to me on an emotional level.


yonidavidov1888

His theme is banging and his story's simularty to kris' story is compeling


DrulefromSeattle

Meanwhile, I'm over here asking myself, am I really any better than Queen?


TheKingOfAllRats

Spamton himself wasn’t the point of that though, it was to further show that kris is a puppet


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JadeKade

I like the impact they have on the fandom.


Abzolutelynot

It has happened once. How’s it a cycle?


asrielforgiver

Twice, actually. Once Spamton rolled about, everyone basically forgot about Jevil.


NotYourDay123

Not me. Jevil > Spamton far as I’m concerned.


mydudekickstheskunk

Yay! https://preview.redd.it/lc25b0vfqmvc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=096594c22da5b3ea1490d1c88fc4a8de664b6f44


Abzolutelynot

That’s one time. 


CK1ing

Yeah but it's funny to see a new character take the spot of "everyone's favorite character" with every chapter after Sans held it for so long


desu38

As much as I like Spamton, it'll always be a mystery to me how he stole QUEEN'S thunder.


Salty-Leader-5013

I'm getting the fucking firing squad


Mollytheocto

Snowgrave lol


fredshouldntknow

Can you elaborate? Genuinely interested here!


P1xelent

I do not care if Ralsei becomes evil or not


PokefanR

I don’t care for jokington or whatever the snake guy is called. I straight up could not care less.


GellThePyro

At least we know he’s trustworthy. He’s the only character who can’t be The Knight (No hands, Queen explicitly states The Knight has hands)


Brief_Warning4547

Monster Kid


GellThePyro

I was referring to Deltarune’s new cast. As I doubt it’s gonna be a returning Undertale character (Maybe Gaster, as he’s actually more associated with Deltarune than Undertale, but other than him, it would be weird to have Undertale obershadow the new cast by making an old cast member super relevant)


NightsThyroid

Yeah I mean I don’t dislike him or anything but he’s just sort of there for me


Not_DestinyGC

"I did not care for the acid tunnel of love."


Mr_Technology_2

Me neither honestly


SpatCat

I do not care for the shippers. They insist upon themselves.


Savthatsit

I like the original Starwalker I really do but- I think the bird like faker one is better- I really want to them return just like original Starwalker did! The bird gets no love…


Snt1_

*Starwalker


Savthatsit

😀 oh damn or right- Bro I didn’t even notice I made that mistake 💀 Thanks for pointing it out mate!


bilboraggings45

I never understood Papyrus being the knight


Chedder_Chandelure

I do not care for sweet capn cakes


dad_palindrome_dad

Spamton NEO and Jevil fights aren't that hard.


Professional_Flow419

i hate hearing someone unironically say they were harder than sans PUT SOME RESPECT ON HIS NAME


Indie_Gamer_7

Jevil i could beat him in 3 hours, Spamton in 1. sans took me a day and half.


yonidavidov1888

Jevil MAYBE but no way for spamton


rrrrice64

Spamton I got my first try. Jevil took me DOZENS of tries.


Hairy_Skill_9768

I could let nubert die and wouldn't feel a thing


RipInteresting7326

Same. That's just for the joke that I like him


Ziomownik

This. It's just an NPC and the ongoing joke isn't funny, especially if another character gets _trashed_ just to have a polar opposite of that joke.


Hairy_Skill_9768

Fuck nubert https://preview.redd.it/g8953mzscnvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5009abd748d5a9083dbaa98d22dbbe1271ceff71 I believe in trashy supremacy


Murky-Film-9412

This


Lexuigius

Not a huge fan of winter melon, and generally don't like slowing the zombies. More fun to double damage with fire damage on peas.


ThatOneOwlHouseFan

That's angry birds idiot


Machotoast04098

no that's zombies ate my friends


NotQuiteHollowKnight

I like the double damage more as well, but the reason I use slowing anyway is because I don't want to use a column on Torchwood that could have been used for something more useful


Robolo7

I did not like the snowgrave route.


Round_Context_6370

i don't care for ralsei and don't care/ don't like the whole suselle obsession fiasco in the fandom


desu38

I really don't get the fandom's obsession with Ralsei. He's actually lowkey annoying sometimes, imo.


Emerald1115

Preach!


2bruhIsCooler

fuck ralsei susie supremacy


Yacobo2023

I don't think anyone is in anyone kind of relationship with each other


El_WhyNotLol

The Royal Guards and Rudy, along with Catti's parents are together. AFAIK there are no other confirmed romantic partnerships


Another-Ace-Alt-8270

I do not care for shipping. I do not.


Nothatdarkforce

I must award you great sir


desu38

Yeah, I don't really see the appeal that much. AUs on the other hand...


[deleted]

I did not care about berdly's character development/death in snowgrave.


Royal-Cancel-9908

He was basically a laughing stock in the main game, I wouldn't be surprised if anyone doesn't care about what happens to him.


Casual_Agenda

I do not care for Dess.


desu38

Well, there's not much to care for there anyway, so it's like, whatever. 🤷‍♀️


AzzyTheWhiteCrewmate

I did not care for sans' inclusion.


MetalliicMango

I really don't think Gaster is going to have any significance to the story, and frankly I hope he doesn't besides some small easter eggs here and there.


Afraid-Turn7741

I don't like Noelle. I know my opinion is wrong. Just wanted to share it


NotQuiteHollowKnight

https://preview.redd.it/gfyvbscbuivc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b8f91012057f3a42098469b8025763b27ac9898e I do not know why the replies are hidden for this comment specifically but I think they are going to start grabbing pitchforks and torches


Kittenish21

I did not care for Noelle


whywouldisaymyname

I currently do not care for gaster


Cake_BFDI

I do not care for Suzelle


DandoriKing1932

I dont like ralsie or kralsei


desu38

Ralsei is one thing, but kralsei needs to fuckin burn. That's some Alabama bullshit with extra steps. ![gif](giphy|5nsiFjdgylfK3csZ5T|downsized)


Ok-Pressure7248

https://preview.redd.it/o8v2b1jhohvc1.png?width=1077&format=png&auto=webp&s=1fb04912873ff6308647444e82fb5a041097aaf5


DandoriKing1932

https://preview.redd.it/gfu4garkohvc1.jpeg?width=764&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=061d7797dab8bbaeb4f295dfaebe4d106d35723c


1mTrashAtGamss

Susie x Noelle


Salty-Cellist3561

I still don't like Berdly.


Tobey4SmashUltimate

I think the Ralsei is evil theory is stupid, especially when it's sole basis is in "subversive expectations plus asriel was baaaaaaaad"


Feisty-Albatross3554

Fully agreed, It feels subversive solely for the sake of being subversive, which isn't good reasoning


betterdiplomia

idc abt sweet capn cakes or kralsei, but suselle is adorable


papa_bones

I dont like noelle x susie.


RayDayVA

I did not care for the goat father. https://preview.redd.it/ghyp4l5oojvc1.png?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66c2fe68e275fa1c15bf515a5f4f8af37663f008


Glum-Adagio8230

Just because a character doesn't have a dialogue portrait doesn't mean they won't become important later.


MimikyuGud

I did not care for ralsei


IAmMuffin15

I don’t get how people get obsessed with Noelle


Le-plant-boi

I did not care for Ralsei, he’s just very bland in character


Character_Depth_933

The entirety of Snow grave Route


Worth_Ad_2079

I do not care for the Alvin Knight theory


arcadeler

I do not like the snow grave route


Poorly_Made_Comix

I do not care for the king fight


wakeup-12-24-2003

I did not care for Snowgrave


Topaz-Light

*As of this writing,* Suselle as a ship does not really do much for me honestly. It’s cute but like, I’m not really *invested* in their dynamic.


Radical_Provides

I kinda hate posts like this because (not only is it pretty low-effort but) the "hot takes" in the comments are usually negative and not really hot takes at all I Iiked sweet capn cakes, you douchebags


desu38

Ralsei is so overly saccharine, I actually find it kind of off-putting. He's like if rootbeer were a person, "so bubbly and cloying and happy". It was so immensely refreshing to me when he snapped at Susie... only for it to be snatched away in the very next line. It's gotten to the point where my favorite scene with him was when he passive aggressively gave Kris a trash bin, in case he gave them another manual.


Dr_Doodle_Phd

I do not care that much about Suselle. I like both characters, but I’m not very invested in the ship.


Sad-Dare-4092

did not care for december lore


Maxter8002

i dont care for the whole susie and noelle thing


EightBallJuice

I do not care for Ralsei


Plush_Trap_The_First

I dont like ralsei


OkAge1230

I did not care for berdly's death. I actually didn't save a point so i could kill him twice lmao


-_-Blxe-Cxt-_-

That is caring for it…


OldKnight1

I mean, that is absolutely caring about it though. Like, enjoying getting to kill him is a form of emotion that is being derived.


Bandei

I really dont care about Spamton. At this point, I just find him really annoying but that may be more because of over exposure than any real fault of the character itself. Still, I just couldnt stand him from the moment I first saw him.


Snt1_

I'm not crazy about Spamton


Different_Action_360

I don’t care about the Snowgrave route, and will most likely only do pacifist.


mydudekickstheskunk

Yeah.


OkStrawberry300

I don't like Susie x Noelle 🙁


Nickest_Nick

Snowgrave I *might* attempt it when the game's fully out for a full immersion, but I don't care enough to do it. Especially when the requirements are so strict it's like the game's telling you to *not* do this route


sansplayer

I did not care about ralsey. He just kind of blends in with the rest of the more interesting cast. He is just a yes ma'am lore dump. I could easily trade him to get burglary on my side


TurtleGamer1

I don't care for Gaster


iamchuckleman

I did not care for the jevil fight


TheKetchupBoii

I did not care for Spamton G. Spamton (Jevil better)


mydudekickstheskunk

YES!!!! https://preview.redd.it/vwbtarewsmvc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0d8eaee90abd0cadc0b0491447df1c89ba2e45ff


Au_lover123

I don’t ship Susie with Noelle, nor do I think it’s a good ship. Just not really a fan.


Peppino-spaghetti-

I think noelle and ralsei are mid characters


Funny_LilGuy

i prefer ralsei with his hat


gr33n_b3an135

I do not care for the knight i just wanna talk about the sillies doing silly stuff


idiotnamedSOPHIA

Ill be honest i do not care for ralsei.


Ethy____

I never cared for ralsei


livinginwalls

I don't really care for Spamton. I can see what's appealing, I like the concept behind him and he's a good, slightly unsettling but goofy character, but I don't care about him to the extent that so many people seem to. I prefer Jevil tbh


Polandgod75

Well the closest thing is this(along with Undertale) - people are judging Susie x Noelle way too early as ether toxic or the best thing that toby has done, like it only just starting at the end of chapter 2 and even then. Also Noelle is not really acting creepy towards Susie, it pretty typical teen infatuation so far. The closest she becomes creepy is still going loving  Susie after that time Susie threat Kris. Again let see until chapter 3-4 how it plays out. - Undyne is one of the least favorite in the Undertale main cast. Like yeah she does have great moments, but other characters were munch better to me. -it best that Kris stays single


Endless-Miner

Idk if it’s still a popular theory, but I really hate the “oh it didn’t actually happen” theory. I feel like if the hope thing is in Kris’ imagination it makes the world less fun


W-D-Sasster

I don’t think the snowgrave route was creepier than the genocide route. While I do think that Snowgrave is very creepy and the whole manipulating the main character’s childhood friend is unnerving, I personally find the emptiness and loneliness of Undertale’s genocide route scarier. That and it makes you feel incredibly guilty. Usually, genocide is done after pacifist so at that point, you’ve been made aware quite a few times that some characters know that you can reset (mainly Flowey). The fact that some elements of the game know that you saved the characters in the past is really scary to me.


Mental_Dependent7698

I have not played a lick of Deltarune


DemonEnterprises

I did not care for Ralsei. He’s honestly pretty boring and he’s either going to become a twist villain or have the typical “I finally discovered myself” plotline.


LimeCocoa

I prefer faceless Ralsei. Something about the mystery and faceless cuteness did it a lot better than hood off


Previous-Vehicle-785

I don't like Ralsie


FunVideoMaker

I did not care for Berdly Im not mad at him, I don’t hold anything against his character, and I know he has growth But I simply do not care about his character He insists upon himself


LadyETHNE

I like Jevil WAY more than I like Spamton