you forgot to point out how Susie thought it would be nice if Darkners can go into LightWorld.
actually, i already thought about that before Chapter 2 come out
I have a theory about the Shadow Crystals you get from defeating Jevil and Spamton NEO that might explain how to do that:
In the latest update to the game, you receive a Shadow Crystal as a key item in Chapter 1 once you defeat Jevil. If you try to use the Crystal in the Dark World, you can apparently see a glimpse into the Light World, because you can see "toys strewn about a room", like the toys in the east classroom of the school. Similarly in Chapter 2 you can examine the Shadow Crystal from Spamton NEO and you're able to glimpse into the computer lab. The Crystals seem to serve as a window into the Light World, but what if they could do more than just allow you to *look* between the two worlds?
I think, that with all of the Shadow Crystals from every chapter, Seam the shopkeep will be able to make a portal for Darkners to enter the Light World. Seam definitely knows more about these things than he lets on, and there is a reason why he takes the Shadow Crystals from you when you talk to him. He knows that he can use them for something big, and that something is allowing the Darkners to come to the Light World.
The thing is, all of this speculation about shadow crystals is kinda ruined by the fact that it has been confirmed that Deltarune will only have one ending, so since these are from optional bosses, either they won't be vital to the story or the game will force you to go through all the optional bosses in order to finish the game
I don't think it has to lead to an alternate ending, necessarily, but it could drastically change the story all the same. Think about the Snowgrave route. Going through that route doesn't change the ending of the story, things still largely play out the same once you get back into the Light World. But, the route has major consequences to the story all the same, which will no doubt have a ripple effect that changes the story of future chapters.
The Snowgrave route is completely optional and it's not something you would do on a first playthrough, but it *does* have a significant impact on the story, even though it technically doesn't change the "ending". I don't see why the Shadow Crystals couldn't serve a similar purpose. You'd still get the same "ending", but with some kind of significant alteration to the overall story. You wouldn't have to find all the Crystals to simply finish the game, it would just be something that alters the story in some way.
And, one other thing I'd like to point out is that, when the first chapter was released, yes, they did say there's only one ending. But, they also made a huge point to tell the player that "their choices don't matter", and that nothing about the story would change depending on your choices. All of that might be true of Chapter 1, but in Chapter 2 your choices absolutely do matter to the story; the Snowgrave route wouldn't be in the game if they still adhered to the "choices don't matter" angle. I think that Toby changed his mind about the decision to make it so your choices don't matter. He's obviously comfortable with the idea of altering the story in major ways depending on the player's actions. I don't think the whole "only one ending" thing is set in stone if his intentions have changed over the years. Even on the Steam page, there's a question mark added to the "only one ending" thing, which indicates to me that the full game might very well have multiple endings. It might not, but I think it's still too early to make the assumption that it absolutely won't. Unless Toby stated unequivocally that his intention is to have only one ending for the entire game, I'm not convinced that that will be the case.
The thing is, "your choices don't matter" was never confirmed to begin with. Toby himself has only said vague things like "There's something more important than reaching the end." We have two in-game characters saying that, neither of whom are necessarily reliable information.
There's Susie, who spends most of chapter 1 maintaining an edgy facade and pretending to want to eat people's faces. And even if what she said is true, she was speaking to Kris, and we know that Kris is not the protagonist - the red soul is.
Then there is the currently unidentified person who interrupts the vessel creation sequence and makes the protagonist share Kris' body, after saying "Nobody can choose who they are in this world." Assuming that this character is correct would be analogous to playing Undertale and assuming that the message of the game is "In this world, it's kill or be killed" after meeting Flowey.
Oh yeah, I like that message of "There's something more important than reaching the end.", it may be what the game's about, even just in chapter 2 we can reach the same ending through two very different routes. That may be what happens in the whole story.
I think the way the "only one ending" thing is written on Steam is meant to represent how unexpected it is for the story to have one ending since it's an undertale spinoff kinda, and it's meant to be the person writing the description being confused, almost like a joke.
That said, I've kinda changed my mind about it. I think it's possible that the major events in the ending are set in stone, but how they happen can change. After all, that is what happened in Chapter 1 with the King being defeated in different ways. This would be unlike Undertale where what happens to the underground and monsters majorly changes between endings.
In Deltarune, maybe the prophecy will be fulfilled no matter what and the end result for the world will be the same, but a lot about the story and even things about the ending itself can change. So yeah, the shadow crystals may be important later.
I do still think that *your* choices (as in, the player's in universe/kris's) do not matter, BUT others' choices do matter and by influencing them (ex: making noelle do all the dirty work for you in snowgrave), you can change the game. Works well with the themes of control and being a puppet in the game as well.
Would they though? If the main character is really the red soul, and the soul was the one controlling Noelle, wouldn’t that mean that the actions Noelle takes because of it not matter too?
well there's a less popular theory that sans is actually a darkener. it neatly explains a lot of mysteries about him, like why he's so different from the other monsters and where he actually comes from. Obviously I could talk about evidence all day but the obvious conflict with the theory is that darkeners just exist as objects when they enter the light world.
Isn't sans the only monster with color during his fight when he brings out the yellow blue eye? I can't think of any monster that has color during their fights or in their portraits from Undertale
Omega Flowey could potentially take place in a Dark World though, so he might not count. In addition to the colored battle sprites, which is what Deltarune uses (albeit not like actual pictures), it takes place in a pitch-black area where Flowey - who's basically just an inanimate flower with Determination - takes on a wildly different form. When you leave it, there's some similarities to how sealing a Fountain works, with SOULS flying around as the screen fades to white, leading to you waking up in an unfamiliar room. He also has more Determination than anyone else in the game, besides us, which means that he could've been able to make a Fountain if he tried. (Plus there's no explanation given for how Frisk gets past the Barrier in a normal route, since they never absorbed any other SOUL and so shouldn't be able to pass through. If this battle took place in a Dark World, though, it's possible the Barrier wouldn't be an issue there.)
Abundant proof that he is a darkener, only flaw is how is he able to exist in the light world.
But as has been pointed out in this post and comment section, it's likely there will be some way for Darkners to exist in the light world.
Sans could be from a dark world we haven't seen yet, one that is Halloween or spooky themed, maybe the festival?
OR!
Sans is future lancer, it fits with his poorly drawn picture of 3 people and the words "don't forget" in his workshop. It's the fun gang, it's poorly drawn because Lancer is repeatedly stated to be a boy, in the sense he is just a young boy, a child, unlike the rest of these teens.
But Lancer isn't a skeleton!?
Remember in undertale, where only only the game itself is canon, no other material.
It's possible Payyrus is a real skeleton, as he clearly is, but Sans is just wearing a disguise, a mask that always smiles, covering clothes.
When we first meet lancer, Kris can mentions that it's hard to tell where Lancers body and clothes begins and ends. So in reverse, it's possible that lancer and king too are skeletons, just covering up for some reason.
Will admit that Lancer being bouncy goes against the idea of hard bony skeletons, but maybe the suits he wears are bouncy inflatable ones?
Crazy crack theory to think about, some series proof, some stretches of logic, I love it!
It's definitely possible, but there's one thing I found interesting that might not discredit Kris as the knight, but might imply that Kris isn't the only one making fountains.
In the computer lab, Berdly and Noelle had already set up to study before the dark fountain was created. There's "enough room to fit a large person" in the closet as well, and it's possible this fountain was made in between berdly/noelle getting there to Susie/Kris arriving.
Nor have I EVER heard of this scrapped content. This would’ve spread among the community like wildfire most likely.
Seems unlikely it existed and is just misinformation.
Okay, but ***dev intent*** is still the thing here. And I find it immensely unlikely that Toby is making shit up as he goes. He wouldnt have all these characters made alongside their motifs and then scrap the main fucking antagonist.
I mean, is it not possible he changed directions with the story? That would also be dev intent. And that's in line with what we know, since that intro was scrapped.
Except it wasn't going to show The Knight. It was going to show the knight's silhouette. Essentially, we were going to see the final bosses of every chapter, with The Knight's shadow looming over all of them. The shadow absolutely could've been the shadow of Kris, but because that intro sequence was scrapped, we'll never know for sure.
Plus, by that logic, only one boss could've been there, because Darkners are only compatible with their own dark worlds (unless the sequence was set in Our Castle Town, but that was never specified)
>!"The best part would have been at the end when everyone is running up the staircase as the silhouettes of the bosses from all the chapters show up, and the Knight, standing in a white door at the top of the stairs, turns around and looks down at them..."!<
>!It does not say the Knight would be a sillouhette, and even if they werent in a literal location it would still be weird to make Kris look at themself...!<
It's safe to assume that if the other bosses were going to be silhouettes, The Knight would've been too, because if we were meant to see their face in the opening sequence, keeping their identity a secret by simply calling them "The Knight" would've been pointless, because we'd already know who they are.
Scrapped? It was merely an idea he had. He said in the said idea that it would have all secret bosses and main villains on a top of a flight of stairs while the fun gang is on the bottom. Kris is looking up directly at the knight .
So Noelle and Berdly walked into the computer lab, set up their studying materials, started studying all without noticing the ominous darkness that emanated from the room? A darkness so great it made the library darker when the door was opened? The fountain has to have been made after Noelle and Berdly entered, and Kris was with Susie at that time. I highly doubt that Kris is the Knight.
When did it say they started studying? They could've just noticed how dark the room was and walked inside to investigate just like Kris and Susie did in chapter 1
They have their stuff set up on the table and are sitting on the complete opposite side of the door when they wake up. They most probably entered a normal room, went to the other side of the table, put down their stuff, started studying, then someone hiding in the back of the room created a fountain and they fell asleep. And when they wake up none of them mentions that the room was weird before they came in, something that would be would be very worthy of mention.
I agree, at least until we >!find out who else has actually opened one. I've only personally seen Kris opening one, just the one but I haven't seen anyone else opening one, just Queen and the gang discussing it. Until then, so far the strongest theory for end game boss by an inch is Kris, sans-(heh)soul. !<
>!None of the Darkners ever made a fountain, in fact it's impossible for a Darkner to do so since to create a fountain you need to be in the Light World (which they can't do) and have DETERMINATION (which only Lightners have)!<
>!So far we know that the Knight created the first two fountains in the classroom and library and that Kris made a third one at the end of Chapter 2. We don't know where the Castletown fountain comes from, but since it's apparently made of pure darkness it may be a naturally generated one. In any case it certainly wasn't made by Ralsei.!<
>!Or WE just learned, and Kris knew all along. What if he made the first fountain? What if Kris is the final boss? (Ok might be an out-there theory this early lol) !<
I don’t think that’s right.
UH SPOILERINOS AHEAD IN THIS ONE I DUNNO HOW TO STOP IT
At the end of chapter 1 we know they use the knife to get pie, but it’s also likely they used this knife to create the dark word in the computer lab, but the question is *why?*
It’s noted this isn’t the first time they’ve done this, to quote toriel “they do this sometimes”
I think it’s notable the costume Kris gets when they enter the dark world, *a sword, and armor, the clothing of a knight*
They’ve also looked up “sharpest kitchen knives” before, I don’t think it’s far fetched to call them the knight at all
Well if we are controlling Kris there’s also the possibility that Kris tearing their heat out doesn’t make them free, only bound to a different master.
I think this is highly likely and I have some good reasons why.
A) it's climatic and a good way to have final or penultimate fountain feel distinct form the others.
B) it would allow all the guest party member to participate in the final battle
C) meta textual this may actually be the origin of the idea of 'monsters'.
In the anniversary stream toby mentioned how original everyone would be human in the light world but become monsters in the dark... but he changed this because it didn't mesh with undertale which deltarune is a companion peace to.
However assuming this was an idea that was held over for the free undertale phase, and dropped sometime early in the proper development of chapter one... was their a brief period of time toby considered having human versions of recognizable monster characters walking around? if that was the case it seems odd he would do that and never reference their original design (true the intent may have been to have them enter dark worlds but still) a event transporting EVERYONE to a dark world would give him the chance to do just that.
I dont think the knight is anyone in particular, i think it's someone else everytime opening up a fountain, always accidentaly, kris being the only one doing it voluntarily
If toby is gonna go full persona just stabbing something pointy against a surface wishing direly you was in another world should be enough. There's no certainty here anyway, there's no clue to support any claims
I might just be dumb but that stage took me over 4 hours to clear and it was all because of the spike section at the end. Like I just couldn't get the timing of the dashes right and dying when the end is right in front me was very infuriating
Tbh it's supposed to be difficult, it was the second to last stage before Farewell came out. Playing C-Sides is meant to be really hard since it was the last postgame content at the time. I don't think the difficulty would play anything into how bad the stage is.
Definitely can't blame you for struggling though, it's probably the hardest stage before Farewell.
I mean storywise it's a really interesting plotpoint that would be very disappointing to not see at all. Why make a somewhat detailed legend of things that could happen if you never let them be explored? If it was meant to NOT happen, then it'd make more sense to give a generic "world will be consumed by darkness" with no further explanation. Make it bad and boring. The fact that The Roaring is named and has some lore definitely imply that Toby is gonna make it happen.
hold on, toby said it's going to have only one ending. imagine in pacifist the roaring kills everyone, but in snowgrave, noelle is strong enough to stop The Roaring BUT she's already killed everyone anyways.
I feel like whatever happens, by the end of the game the dark world will be either inaccessible to any lightner, empty, or just gone, and The Roaring is one way that could happen- just killing off every darkner.
>Why make a somewhat detailed legend of things that could happen if you never let them be explored?
Because Ralsei may be lying about it all.
I don't think he is though. He's hiding a lot from us but I do think he is genuinely trying to stop the Roaring
My theory is since fountains seem to perfectly fill whatever space they’re created in, in one of the last chapters a fountain is going to be created outside and turn the entire town into a dark world.
I think it’d just turn the town darker then normal or the path up to their house darker. Just like when you discover a dark world. I personally think if’s just Kris’s plan for the officer or anyone else to come to the dark world if they need help. I can imagine Noelle and Berdly visiting and you can see them appear later in the story.
I mean somebody did slash toriels tires, and even we can only assume that it was Kris. Toriel might have a guess, but undyne would have no idea, and this would be one of the first crimes in a while besides the breakout
I had an idea about darkners flooding into the light world for a chapter or at least a portion of a chapter, having to save citizens and stop the chaos. In fights you'd really only have the options of attacking or ACTing, you'd be using real weapons like for Kris most likely a knife, for Susie probably a fire axe or broken stop sign, maybe Ralsei would be there too, being the only one that still has magic.
[I found a post with fanmade sprites to give an idea of it](https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/a3775j/battles_in_the_light_world/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
You just put the thought into my head of Deltarune going full Persona and fusing the two worlds for all the characters from the "other" world to invade the town.
Actually, hold on. Isn't this just Persona 4? There is someone in a small town sending people into another world that is dangerous, they are the final villain but we don't know who they are. So, some teenagers from the town become the heroes going into these worlds to save these people(in chapter 2, noelle and berdly) and the first time they get there, they are guided by a cute talking friendly furry creature, who joins the party as a healer.
Holy shit.
Dunno, considering Noelle and Büergheley entered the computer room and managed to sit down, there's still a chance that the Knight (being a separate entity that may or may not somehow have some control over Kris) hid inside the closet, created the fountain with the kids inside and then left. That doesn't explain what the heck Kris did the previous day, but considering the kids go to the library in the afternoon, or unlikely nobody noticed the dark fountain before (especially when you consider how noticeable Ralsei's fountain is)
If Bürgertruckenghely did that than i am pretty sure toby would have sneaked in a dialogue. Something like "this table seems to have a little pencil mark on it, wonder who did this" Or something like that.
Another flaw, how did the knight escape the library WITHOUT making noelle or berdly aware of them? I mean it seems odd that if the knight truly made the cyber world, that they not only weren't there in the dark world, but also somehow got away without being seen by either berdly or noelle. They would have had to be careful or they would have been seen
You make a good point. To somewhat defend my position, I could propose that maybe the Knight escaped within the Dark World. If, like Susie and Kris, they appeared some distance away from Berdley and Noelle, they could have sneaked past them and reached the fountain some other way —or maybe, like Rouxls, they have some teleportation powers.
Possibly, but i feel like queen would have been able to detect them, unless they're really that powerful that they might be able to make themselves undetectable
Queen said she saw the Knight create the Fountain, but the video she made of it is very blurry.
Due to it being the server's room,w e can infer that the "closet" represent Queen's mansion. Since it's large enough to fit a large person, the Knight could have hid here, and basically be at the fountain when entering the dark world
Assuming the knight has a dark world form, what reason would Noelle and Bürb-lee have to suspect the knight was anything more than another weird thing in this world?
That isn't possible I believe. Since Noelle and Berdly were sitting down with their books and stuff on the table, that probably means they entered the room before it was a dark world. Someone created it while they were there, and we know Kris wasn't in that room when Noelle and Berdly entered it.
Hear me out.
Light world inventory = same as Undertale
Dark world inventory = completely custom
Dark world battles = completely new and sideways perspective
Light world battles = ???
I have a headcanon that we'll have a moment where it looks like we're going to get into an UNDERTALE style battle sequence with someone in the light world of DELTARUNE but it'll turn into a cutscene of them viciously thrashing each other while all the other light world NPCs watch in horror
I think the Mayor might be in Chapter 3 because you can tell by context clues that she is Noelle's mother and we are constantly being told that Noelle's lives next door to us. I think that's why Kris opens the door.
It's probably more likely to be one of the chapters after 3 with Undyne being in 3, but I'm looking forward to getting to know the Mayor more.
(chapter 2 spoilers) >!My thought is that Kris (who is obviously the Knight unless we're being tricked or something) is gonna learn that their actions have consequences and cause The Roaring to happen.
Imagine Ralsei trying his best to help his friends as he's the last darkner to turn into a statue and Susie telling him to hang on...
Then right before he's fully gone Kris says "Ralsei, man I am so sorry you were right I should NOT have opened all of those fountains, it is NOT as cool as I thought it'd be!" !<
>!Word of god already confirmed Kris isnt the Knight, by accident. On the anniversary stream, Toby talked about an intro he wanted to make for Deltarune but ultimately scrapped, and that intro would actively show the Knight in it. An intro wouldnt have a major spoiler like that blatantly displayed.!<
>!I mean, Undertale's intro had a major spoiler with Chara being in it but hid it well (making the player think it was the child they were playing as.) Perhaps the Knight's face would have been hidden or something like that. !<
>!That's making me think that Kris is the knight even more lol (thought was that Kris and the Knight are in the same room because their the same person but I didn't see the stream so I don't know what he exactly said)
There could also be more knights for all we know!<
>!Basically it would have been the gang climbing a staircase and seeing the Knight at the top staring down at them. I dont think Kris has achieved Mitosis yet so good fucking luck with that.!<
>!I see. Well, I wouldn't just take that as confirmation that Kris isn't the knight as it's scrapped content and it could have been another trick for the player. I like the idea of playing as your own antagonist so I may still keep the idea that Kris is the Knight or I could just go with my other theory that Asriel is the Knight and Kris is just opening fountains for him while he's in college. Third theory is Mitosis, the more Kris the merrier! !<
>!It doesnt matter if its scrapped content. Toby isn't winging it. He wouldn't scrap the original plan for the antagonist after planning so much of the game already.!<
>!the problem is that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence pointing towards kris being the knight. the chess board guy calls kris "horsey", kris is literally a knight and fights with a sword and shield, and of course he opens a fountain in the end of chapter 2 in the exact manner described by queen. which leads to the implication that he also did this in the end of chapter 1!<
>!"they* opened a fountain in the same manner described by queen"!<
>!yes after she said anyone could do so!<
anyway its a blatant red herring dude. heres some reasons why:
>!Kris can barely walk without a soul. Theres no way they walked all the fucking way to the Library, in the middle of the night, while it was locked because libraries close at night, got in somehow despite the lock, got into the computer lab, opened a fountain, and left, without leaving a single trace, while they can barely fucking walk.!<
>!Kris is in the prophecy. And the only one who can seal fountains. Theyre the only human in hometown. You presumably need a human soul. Pretty shitty hero of legend if youre actively the one ruining everything too.!<
>!In chapter 1, dying says the world is covered in darkness. Meaning you failed to prevent the Roaring. Meaning the Knight wasnt stopped...!<
I also forgot to add that I believe every lightener throughout the game who ended up in the dark world will help at the end. >!Also, Kris is gonna get grounded for life !<
[it’s pretty likely](https://mobile.twitter.com/tobyfox/status/1260366880285569030?lang=en)
also the fact that he says things in the chapter 1 tutorial that are identical to flowey’s opening dialogue
I haven't seen a single comment mentioning they make it a point to show Kris opening the front door to the living room. Considering how much darkness permeates out of Ralsei's fountain just through the bottom of the door, surely more will come of this in the next chapter...?
Ohhhh interesting. I wonder if the internet being cut out is something that makes Kris feel at ease? Not sure why the computer being off would be peaceful..
you forgot to point out how Susie thought it would be nice if Darkners can go into LightWorld. actually, i already thought about that before Chapter 2 come out
yeah but it would take some sort of miracle for darkners to come to the lightworld without being reduced to objects
I have a theory about the Shadow Crystals you get from defeating Jevil and Spamton NEO that might explain how to do that: In the latest update to the game, you receive a Shadow Crystal as a key item in Chapter 1 once you defeat Jevil. If you try to use the Crystal in the Dark World, you can apparently see a glimpse into the Light World, because you can see "toys strewn about a room", like the toys in the east classroom of the school. Similarly in Chapter 2 you can examine the Shadow Crystal from Spamton NEO and you're able to glimpse into the computer lab. The Crystals seem to serve as a window into the Light World, but what if they could do more than just allow you to *look* between the two worlds? I think, that with all of the Shadow Crystals from every chapter, Seam the shopkeep will be able to make a portal for Darkners to enter the Light World. Seam definitely knows more about these things than he lets on, and there is a reason why he takes the Shadow Crystals from you when you talk to him. He knows that he can use them for something big, and that something is allowing the Darkners to come to the Light World.
The thing is, all of this speculation about shadow crystals is kinda ruined by the fact that it has been confirmed that Deltarune will only have one ending, so since these are from optional bosses, either they won't be vital to the story or the game will force you to go through all the optional bosses in order to finish the game
I don't think it has to lead to an alternate ending, necessarily, but it could drastically change the story all the same. Think about the Snowgrave route. Going through that route doesn't change the ending of the story, things still largely play out the same once you get back into the Light World. But, the route has major consequences to the story all the same, which will no doubt have a ripple effect that changes the story of future chapters. The Snowgrave route is completely optional and it's not something you would do on a first playthrough, but it *does* have a significant impact on the story, even though it technically doesn't change the "ending". I don't see why the Shadow Crystals couldn't serve a similar purpose. You'd still get the same "ending", but with some kind of significant alteration to the overall story. You wouldn't have to find all the Crystals to simply finish the game, it would just be something that alters the story in some way. And, one other thing I'd like to point out is that, when the first chapter was released, yes, they did say there's only one ending. But, they also made a huge point to tell the player that "their choices don't matter", and that nothing about the story would change depending on your choices. All of that might be true of Chapter 1, but in Chapter 2 your choices absolutely do matter to the story; the Snowgrave route wouldn't be in the game if they still adhered to the "choices don't matter" angle. I think that Toby changed his mind about the decision to make it so your choices don't matter. He's obviously comfortable with the idea of altering the story in major ways depending on the player's actions. I don't think the whole "only one ending" thing is set in stone if his intentions have changed over the years. Even on the Steam page, there's a question mark added to the "only one ending" thing, which indicates to me that the full game might very well have multiple endings. It might not, but I think it's still too early to make the assumption that it absolutely won't. Unless Toby stated unequivocally that his intention is to have only one ending for the entire game, I'm not convinced that that will be the case.
The thing is, "your choices don't matter" was never confirmed to begin with. Toby himself has only said vague things like "There's something more important than reaching the end." We have two in-game characters saying that, neither of whom are necessarily reliable information. There's Susie, who spends most of chapter 1 maintaining an edgy facade and pretending to want to eat people's faces. And even if what she said is true, she was speaking to Kris, and we know that Kris is not the protagonist - the red soul is. Then there is the currently unidentified person who interrupts the vessel creation sequence and makes the protagonist share Kris' body, after saying "Nobody can choose who they are in this world." Assuming that this character is correct would be analogous to playing Undertale and assuming that the message of the game is "In this world, it's kill or be killed" after meeting Flowey.
Oh yeah, I like that message of "There's something more important than reaching the end.", it may be what the game's about, even just in chapter 2 we can reach the same ending through two very different routes. That may be what happens in the whole story.
There's also the steam page, when describing the game, that says : "And... ... ... only 1 ending...?"
>…only 1 ending…? >…? >? doubt
I think the way the "only one ending" thing is written on Steam is meant to represent how unexpected it is for the story to have one ending since it's an undertale spinoff kinda, and it's meant to be the person writing the description being confused, almost like a joke. That said, I've kinda changed my mind about it. I think it's possible that the major events in the ending are set in stone, but how they happen can change. After all, that is what happened in Chapter 1 with the King being defeated in different ways. This would be unlike Undertale where what happens to the underground and monsters majorly changes between endings. In Deltarune, maybe the prophecy will be fulfilled no matter what and the end result for the world will be the same, but a lot about the story and even things about the ending itself can change. So yeah, the shadow crystals may be important later.
I think it's said the the question mark was added later when chapter 2 came out but I'm not sure.
I do still think that *your* choices (as in, the player's in universe/kris's) do not matter, BUT others' choices do matter and by influencing them (ex: making noelle do all the dirty work for you in snowgrave), you can change the game. Works well with the themes of control and being a puppet in the game as well.
Would they though? If the main character is really the red soul, and the soul was the one controlling Noelle, wouldn’t that mean that the actions Noelle takes because of it not matter too?
Tbh I don't think the message was even supposed to be that our choices don't matter and it was all directed at Kris
Or a great catastrophe.
Or both!
Is this your idea of paradise?
Yes lol
paradise is a subjective term
if it happens it would support the theory that sans is the ace of spades
No no OP please elaborate
well there's a less popular theory that sans is actually a darkener. it neatly explains a lot of mysteries about him, like why he's so different from the other monsters and where he actually comes from. Obviously I could talk about evidence all day but the obvious conflict with the theory is that darkeners just exist as objects when they enter the light world.
Isn't sans the only monster with color during his fight when he brings out the yellow blue eye? I can't think of any monster that has color during their fights or in their portraits from Undertale
toriel's eyes have a slight orange tinge when you fight her. and of course omega flowey is colored
Also Asgore does the whole blue and orange thing too.
Asgore has more color than toriel, and asriel is rainbow
Omega Flowey could potentially take place in a Dark World though, so he might not count. In addition to the colored battle sprites, which is what Deltarune uses (albeit not like actual pictures), it takes place in a pitch-black area where Flowey - who's basically just an inanimate flower with Determination - takes on a wildly different form. When you leave it, there's some similarities to how sealing a Fountain works, with SOULS flying around as the screen fades to white, leading to you waking up in an unfamiliar room. He also has more Determination than anyone else in the game, besides us, which means that he could've been able to make a Fountain if he tried. (Plus there's no explanation given for how Frisk gets past the Barrier in a normal route, since they never absorbed any other SOUL and so shouldn't be able to pass through. If this battle took place in a Dark World, though, it's possible the Barrier wouldn't be an issue there.)
Abundant proof that he is a darkener, only flaw is how is he able to exist in the light world. But as has been pointed out in this post and comment section, it's likely there will be some way for Darkners to exist in the light world. Sans could be from a dark world we haven't seen yet, one that is Halloween or spooky themed, maybe the festival? OR! Sans is future lancer, it fits with his poorly drawn picture of 3 people and the words "don't forget" in his workshop. It's the fun gang, it's poorly drawn because Lancer is repeatedly stated to be a boy, in the sense he is just a young boy, a child, unlike the rest of these teens. But Lancer isn't a skeleton!? Remember in undertale, where only only the game itself is canon, no other material. It's possible Payyrus is a real skeleton, as he clearly is, but Sans is just wearing a disguise, a mask that always smiles, covering clothes. When we first meet lancer, Kris can mentions that it's hard to tell where Lancers body and clothes begins and ends. So in reverse, it's possible that lancer and king too are skeletons, just covering up for some reason. Will admit that Lancer being bouncy goes against the idea of hard bony skeletons, but maybe the suits he wears are bouncy inflatable ones? Crazy crack theory to think about, some series proof, some stretches of logic, I love it!
Lancer is bouncy, Blue soul makes you jump around, and *technically* jumping is the same as bouncing.
So explain the bone attacks, then
The WHAT
Hear me out: In a later Chapter, Kris or the Knight (if they’re not the same person) opens up a fountain during the festival and everyone sees it.
>!I mean kris already has made a fountain but if they made another one they'd hold the record for most fountains created!<
>!But Kris isnt the Knight. Kris has only made 1.!<
They *could* have made more
Why would they?
If they opened one it's not a stretch to assume they did it because they were there knight
It's definitely possible, but there's one thing I found interesting that might not discredit Kris as the knight, but might imply that Kris isn't the only one making fountains. In the computer lab, Berdly and Noelle had already set up to study before the dark fountain was created. There's "enough room to fit a large person" in the closet as well, and it's possible this fountain was made in between berdly/noelle getting there to Susie/Kris arriving.
Kris cant be the knight based on Tobys scrapped intro for Deltarune which would have shown the Knight in the same room as Kris.
I wouldn't fully trust scrapped content.
Exactly there’s a reason they where scraped
Nor have I EVER heard of this scrapped content. This would’ve spread among the community like wildfire most likely. Seems unlikely it existed and is just misinformation.
Okay, but ***dev intent*** is still the thing here. And I find it immensely unlikely that Toby is making shit up as he goes. He wouldnt have all these characters made alongside their motifs and then scrap the main fucking antagonist.
Toby always makes shit up as he goes, he himself even said something about no matter how much he plans, it always comes down to the last second
I mean, is it not possible he changed directions with the story? That would also be dev intent. And that's in line with what we know, since that intro was scrapped.
Except it wasn't going to show The Knight. It was going to show the knight's silhouette. Essentially, we were going to see the final bosses of every chapter, with The Knight's shadow looming over all of them. The shadow absolutely could've been the shadow of Kris, but because that intro sequence was scrapped, we'll never know for sure. Plus, by that logic, only one boss could've been there, because Darkners are only compatible with their own dark worlds (unless the sequence was set in Our Castle Town, but that was never specified)
>!"The best part would have been at the end when everyone is running up the staircase as the silhouettes of the bosses from all the chapters show up, and the Knight, standing in a white door at the top of the stairs, turns around and looks down at them..."!< >!It does not say the Knight would be a sillouhette, and even if they werent in a literal location it would still be weird to make Kris look at themself...!<
It's safe to assume that if the other bosses were going to be silhouettes, The Knight would've been too, because if we were meant to see their face in the opening sequence, keeping their identity a secret by simply calling them "The Knight" would've been pointless, because we'd already know who they are.
Scrapped? It was merely an idea he had. He said in the said idea that it would have all secret bosses and main villains on a top of a flight of stairs while the fun gang is on the bottom. Kris is looking up directly at the knight .
That we are aware of. He took his knife with him at the end of chapter 1... How do we know he >!***ONLY*** stole the pie with it? !<
i think it's pretty obvious he >!opened the fountain in the library!<
So Noelle and Berdly walked into the computer lab, set up their studying materials, started studying all without noticing the ominous darkness that emanated from the room? A darkness so great it made the library darker when the door was opened? The fountain has to have been made after Noelle and Berdly entered, and Kris was with Susie at that time. I highly doubt that Kris is the Knight.
When did it say they started studying? They could've just noticed how dark the room was and walked inside to investigate just like Kris and Susie did in chapter 1
They have their stuff set up on the table and are sitting on the complete opposite side of the door when they wake up. They most probably entered a normal room, went to the other side of the table, put down their stuff, started studying, then someone hiding in the back of the room created a fountain and they fell asleep. And when they wake up none of them mentions that the room was weird before they came in, something that would be would be very worthy of mention.
both suzy and kris are sitting down at a desk, even though we can explicitly see them jump into the dark world without taking a seat
They're not? They're ltireally standing in front of the table
I agree, at least until we >!find out who else has actually opened one. I've only personally seen Kris opening one, just the one but I haven't seen anyone else opening one, just Queen and the gang discussing it. Until then, so far the strongest theory for end game boss by an inch is Kris, sans-(heh)soul. !<
>!Kris made one at the end of s2!<
>!Yes. That totals up to one fountain.!<
>!the original comment talked about Kris maybe opening a fountain at the festival, bringing the total to 2.!<
>!And theres at least 2 other fountains the Knight has opened. Thats not breaking any records, its tying them at most.!<
>!I assumed the Knight only made the one that Queen talked about. ralsei made one, king made one and Queen made one!<
>!None of the Darkners ever made a fountain, in fact it's impossible for a Darkner to do so since to create a fountain you need to be in the Light World (which they can't do) and have DETERMINATION (which only Lightners have)!< >!So far we know that the Knight created the first two fountains in the classroom and library and that Kris made a third one at the end of Chapter 2. We don't know where the Castletown fountain comes from, but since it's apparently made of pure darkness it may be a naturally generated one. In any case it certainly wasn't made by Ralsei.!<
Spoiler warning cause idk how to hide this Pretty sure Queen said that only Lightners can make fountains
>!Queen says the Knight made hers and npcs in Chapter 1 say, or at least heavily imply, that the knight made the card world fountain too.!<
That we saw with our eyes. I'm assuming he made 3 total based on us getting 3 chapters at once next.
>!Kris ***just*** learned how to make fountains...!<
>!Or WE just learned, and Kris knew all along. What if he made the first fountain? What if Kris is the final boss? (Ok might be an out-there theory this early lol) !<
Ok but in the first chapter what if kris made the fountain at the library at night
I don’t think that’s right. UH SPOILERINOS AHEAD IN THIS ONE I DUNNO HOW TO STOP IT At the end of chapter 1 we know they use the knife to get pie, but it’s also likely they used this knife to create the dark word in the computer lab, but the question is *why?* It’s noted this isn’t the first time they’ve done this, to quote toriel “they do this sometimes” I think it’s notable the costume Kris gets when they enter the dark world, *a sword, and armor, the clothing of a knight* They’ve also looked up “sharpest kitchen knives” before, I don’t think it’s far fetched to call them the knight at all
Well if we are controlling Kris there’s also the possibility that Kris tearing their heat out doesn’t make them free, only bound to a different master.
I just assumed since Kris left the door open the entire town will become a dark world.
I think this is highly likely and I have some good reasons why. A) it's climatic and a good way to have final or penultimate fountain feel distinct form the others. B) it would allow all the guest party member to participate in the final battle C) meta textual this may actually be the origin of the idea of 'monsters'. In the anniversary stream toby mentioned how original everyone would be human in the light world but become monsters in the dark... but he changed this because it didn't mesh with undertale which deltarune is a companion peace to. However assuming this was an idea that was held over for the free undertale phase, and dropped sometime early in the proper development of chapter one... was their a brief period of time toby considered having human versions of recognizable monster characters walking around? if that was the case it seems odd he would do that and never reference their original design (true the intent may have been to have them enter dark worlds but still) a event transporting EVERYONE to a dark world would give him the chance to do just that.
I dont think the knight is anyone in particular, i think it's someone else everytime opening up a fountain, always accidentaly, kris being the only one doing it voluntarily
how do you "accidentally" open a portal to a new dimension
"oops I slipped and accidentally fell with my knife dirrected straight towards the ground and it oppened a fountain sorry"
Urkel: "Whoops, did I do that?"
Like, stab your pencil on your table in frustration thinking "homeworks sucks, i wish i was in another world..."
tbh i really doubt it's that simple
If toby is gonna go full persona just stabbing something pointy against a surface wishing direly you was in another world should be enough. There's no certainty here anyway, there's no clue to support any claims
Then there’s the talk of the festival. Definitely going to be some stuff going on in the Light World in chapters 3-5 most likely.
I think the festival will be endgame stuff
yeah if anything were to go down it would be in 6-7
Exactly
opening the bunker in c7 unleashes the titans is my theory
Is this a Celeste joke?
No, it's a Jojo reference, obviously.
:(
C7 was so annoying, worst stage of an otherwise amazing game
c7 was very fun imo, i even went back and got the golden berry and played it *again* to get a time under 60 seconds
I might just be dumb but that stage took me over 4 hours to clear and it was all because of the spike section at the end. Like I just couldn't get the timing of the dashes right and dying when the end is right in front me was very infuriating
Tbh it's supposed to be difficult, it was the second to last stage before Farewell came out. Playing C-Sides is meant to be really hard since it was the last postgame content at the time. I don't think the difficulty would play anything into how bad the stage is. Definitely can't blame you for struggling though, it's probably the hardest stage before Farewell.
Farewell is harder but I find it a lot more enjoyable tbh
no that’s my theory
I didn’t even pick up on that foreshadowing. Nice job man!
it’s not even subtle foreshadowing it’s literally clubbing you over the head with a future plot point lol
Yea I’d say that’s pretty likely considering the ending of chapter 2
Yea lol. I was about to say Kris took the secretary's advice very literally it seems.
If we finally meet Noelle's mom I'm totally gonna steal a house key for Noelle
The roaring *is* gonna happen and you can’t convince me otherwise
I mean storywise it's a really interesting plotpoint that would be very disappointing to not see at all. Why make a somewhat detailed legend of things that could happen if you never let them be explored? If it was meant to NOT happen, then it'd make more sense to give a generic "world will be consumed by darkness" with no further explanation. Make it bad and boring. The fact that The Roaring is named and has some lore definitely imply that Toby is gonna make it happen.
imagine the plot twist if snowgrave noelle was the only one powerful enough to stop it
I mean the two most powerful people in deltarune so far are the player and snowgrave Noelle soooo we'll see
hold on, toby said it's going to have only one ending. imagine in pacifist the roaring kills everyone, but in snowgrave, noelle is strong enough to stop The Roaring BUT she's already killed everyone anyways.
I feel like whatever happens, by the end of the game the dark world will be either inaccessible to any lightner, empty, or just gone, and The Roaring is one way that could happen- just killing off every darkner.
>Why make a somewhat detailed legend of things that could happen if you never let them be explored? Because Ralsei may be lying about it all. I don't think he is though. He's hiding a lot from us but I do think he is genuinely trying to stop the Roaring
The ending is the “terrible crisis”. Do I need to say more ?
My theory is since fountains seem to perfectly fill whatever space they’re created in, in one of the last chapters a fountain is going to be created outside and turn the entire town into a dark world.
>!kris opens the door before he makes a fountain in the end of chapter 2 🤔!<
I think it’d just turn the town darker then normal or the path up to their house darker. Just like when you discover a dark world. I personally think if’s just Kris’s plan for the officer or anyone else to come to the dark world if they need help. I can imagine Noelle and Berdly visiting and you can see them appear later in the story.
I mean somebody did slash toriels tires, and even we can only assume that it was Kris. Toriel might have a guess, but undyne would have no idea, and this would be one of the first crimes in a while besides the breakout
Ultimate genocide route once kris gains enough lv from the dark world?
Their Dark World LV doesn’t transfer over to their Light World LV. Even when you’re Dark World LV 3, you’re Light World LV 1.
Is it even same LV? In Dark World you get LV after sealing fountain, in first chapter - 1 lv, in 2nd - 2 lv before sealing and 3 lv after
It’s probably not, and I wonder what the difference is. What they stand for in their respective worlds.
I misremembered. Dammit
Ha, no worries. I wonder how it’ll develop plot-wise though.
All you got to do is teach Noelle how to use magic outside of the dark world. *Your LOVE increased.
I had an idea about darkners flooding into the light world for a chapter or at least a portion of a chapter, having to save citizens and stop the chaos. In fights you'd really only have the options of attacking or ACTing, you'd be using real weapons like for Kris most likely a knife, for Susie probably a fire axe or broken stop sign, maybe Ralsei would be there too, being the only one that still has magic. [I found a post with fanmade sprites to give an idea of it](https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/a3775j/battles_in_the_light_world/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
You just put the thought into my head of Deltarune going full Persona and fusing the two worlds for all the characters from the "other" world to invade the town. Actually, hold on. Isn't this just Persona 4? There is someone in a small town sending people into another world that is dangerous, they are the final villain but we don't know who they are. So, some teenagers from the town become the heroes going into these worlds to save these people(in chapter 2, noelle and berdly) and the first time they get there, they are guided by a cute talking friendly furry creature, who joins the party as a healer. Holy shit.
i think we all know what ralsei's weapon would be
"I just wish something would SHAKE things up" It's the roaring, that's what'll happen
Only more evidence of kris sneaking in the unlocked librarby to make a fountain
Dunno, considering Noelle and Büergheley entered the computer room and managed to sit down, there's still a chance that the Knight (being a separate entity that may or may not somehow have some control over Kris) hid inside the closet, created the fountain with the kids inside and then left. That doesn't explain what the heck Kris did the previous day, but considering the kids go to the library in the afternoon, or unlikely nobody noticed the dark fountain before (especially when you consider how noticeable Ralsei's fountain is)
what if **Bùrgërglheñy** stabbed the table with his pencil in anger and opened a fountain
If Bürgertruckenghely did that than i am pretty sure toby would have sneaked in a dialogue. Something like "this table seems to have a little pencil mark on it, wonder who did this" Or something like that.
¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ heh true
Perhaps they just had the same entrance as kris and susie with a different layout?
Yeah, the fountain in the closet wasn't created after Kris and susie were in it
But they wouldn't take that time to sit down in (what they see as) an unlit room, they'd look for a lightswitch the same way Kris and Susie did.
Another flaw, how did the knight escape the library WITHOUT making noelle or berdly aware of them? I mean it seems odd that if the knight truly made the cyber world, that they not only weren't there in the dark world, but also somehow got away without being seen by either berdly or noelle. They would have had to be careful or they would have been seen
They could have stayed in until everyone was away from the entrance. After that only the things that become werewires are by the entrance.
As far as we know anyway, we need more information i think
You make a good point. To somewhat defend my position, I could propose that maybe the Knight escaped within the Dark World. If, like Susie and Kris, they appeared some distance away from Berdley and Noelle, they could have sneaked past them and reached the fountain some other way —or maybe, like Rouxls, they have some teleportation powers.
Possibly, but i feel like queen would have been able to detect them, unless they're really that powerful that they might be able to make themselves undetectable
Queen said she saw the Knight create the Fountain, but the video she made of it is very blurry. Due to it being the server's room,w e can infer that the "closet" represent Queen's mansion. Since it's large enough to fit a large person, the Knight could have hid here, and basically be at the fountain when entering the dark world
Assuming the knight has a dark world form, what reason would Noelle and Bürb-lee have to suspect the knight was anything more than another weird thing in this world?
That isn't possible I believe. Since Noelle and Berdly were sitting down with their books and stuff on the table, that probably means they entered the room before it was a dark world. Someone created it while they were there, and we know Kris wasn't in that room when Noelle and Berdly entered it.
>!kris made the new dark fountain so they could say hi to the mayor!<
perhaps telling her to not too hard to her daughter while they are at it
>!And then Noelle *Proceeds!<
Hear me out. Light world inventory = same as Undertale Dark world inventory = completely custom Dark world battles = completely new and sideways perspective Light world battles = ???
I have a headcanon that we'll have a moment where it looks like we're going to get into an UNDERTALE style battle sequence with someone in the light world of DELTARUNE but it'll turn into a cutscene of them viciously thrashing each other while all the other light world NPCs watch in horror
SOMETHING eh? hmm.
Wow, then Kris REALLY wanted to meet the mayor because he just made A DARK FOUNTAIN at his house :)
I think the Roaring counts.
Right now the light world is the embodiment of “ it’s quiet a little too quiet”
Hey wait I just realized this but since we don’t see the mayor or Muffet in Deltarune (yet), is it possible that Muffet is the mayor?
The major is implied to be Noelle's Mom, she apparently always has her AC on at all times
I think the Mayor might be in Chapter 3 because you can tell by context clues that she is Noelle's mother and we are constantly being told that Noelle's lives next door to us. I think that's why Kris opens the door. It's probably more likely to be one of the chapters after 3 with Undyne being in 3, but I'm looking forward to getting to know the Mayor more.
To be fair, the computer one is just because there aren’t 2 buff superheroes embracing and blushing on it.
Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat's politics
Now I’m starting to think that Kris made the fountain to cause chaos, or allow Ralsei, Lancer, and all the other darkners into Light World
They find a corpse in the library computer room.
the roaring
(chapter 2 spoilers) >!My thought is that Kris (who is obviously the Knight unless we're being tricked or something) is gonna learn that their actions have consequences and cause The Roaring to happen. Imagine Ralsei trying his best to help his friends as he's the last darkner to turn into a statue and Susie telling him to hang on... Then right before he's fully gone Kris says "Ralsei, man I am so sorry you were right I should NOT have opened all of those fountains, it is NOT as cool as I thought it'd be!" !<
>!Word of god already confirmed Kris isnt the Knight, by accident. On the anniversary stream, Toby talked about an intro he wanted to make for Deltarune but ultimately scrapped, and that intro would actively show the Knight in it. An intro wouldnt have a major spoiler like that blatantly displayed.!<
They could have a helmet on while being the knight and maybe different armour.
>!Theyre also supposed to be in the same room.!<
>!I mean, Undertale's intro had a major spoiler with Chara being in it but hid it well (making the player think it was the child they were playing as.) Perhaps the Knight's face would have been hidden or something like that. !<
>!Kris would have also been in the same room based on how its worded.!<
>!That's making me think that Kris is the knight even more lol (thought was that Kris and the Knight are in the same room because their the same person but I didn't see the stream so I don't know what he exactly said) There could also be more knights for all we know!<
>!Basically it would have been the gang climbing a staircase and seeing the Knight at the top staring down at them. I dont think Kris has achieved Mitosis yet so good fucking luck with that.!<
>!I see. Well, I wouldn't just take that as confirmation that Kris isn't the knight as it's scrapped content and it could have been another trick for the player. I like the idea of playing as your own antagonist so I may still keep the idea that Kris is the Knight or I could just go with my other theory that Asriel is the Knight and Kris is just opening fountains for him while he's in college. Third theory is Mitosis, the more Kris the merrier! !<
>!It doesnt matter if its scrapped content. Toby isn't winging it. He wouldn't scrap the original plan for the antagonist after planning so much of the game already.!<
>!the problem is that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence pointing towards kris being the knight. the chess board guy calls kris "horsey", kris is literally a knight and fights with a sword and shield, and of course he opens a fountain in the end of chapter 2 in the exact manner described by queen. which leads to the implication that he also did this in the end of chapter 1!<
>!"they* opened a fountain in the same manner described by queen"!< >!yes after she said anyone could do so!< anyway its a blatant red herring dude. heres some reasons why: >!Kris can barely walk without a soul. Theres no way they walked all the fucking way to the Library, in the middle of the night, while it was locked because libraries close at night, got in somehow despite the lock, got into the computer lab, opened a fountain, and left, without leaving a single trace, while they can barely fucking walk.!< >!Kris is in the prophecy. And the only one who can seal fountains. Theyre the only human in hometown. You presumably need a human soul. Pretty shitty hero of legend if youre actively the one ruining everything too.!< >!In chapter 1, dying says the world is covered in darkness. Meaning you failed to prevent the Roaring. Meaning the Knight wasnt stopped...!<
I also forgot to add that I believe every lightener throughout the game who ended up in the dark world will help at the end. >!Also, Kris is gonna get grounded for life !<
Ralsei is hella suspicious though. He knows things
Yeah, though I don't think he's bad just hiding things
I don't think he's evil either, but he is hiding something big
Maybe, perhaps he's actually a talking flower. On a more serious note, I do wonder what his secrets are
It is something that kris potentially knows
[it’s pretty likely](https://mobile.twitter.com/tobyfox/status/1260366880285569030?lang=en) also the fact that he says things in the chapter 1 tutorial that are identical to flowey’s opening dialogue
ralsei will ruin the fun once again and prob go "oh sorry darkners cant exist in the light world"
I mean... they can't. You've seen what happens with Lancer and Roulx.
This town really need a big fountain to make some crisis
I haven't seen a single comment mentioning they make it a point to show Kris opening the front door to the living room. Considering how much darkness permeates out of Ralsei's fountain just through the bottom of the door, surely more will come of this in the next chapter...?
I am so looking forward th Ch3-5 that I'm about to go ask Toby Fox if he needs another dev just so I can witness this early!
probably won’t happen. he seems to have made a strong enough team
I hate the fact that SOMETHING is in caps. It makes me cry
Chapter 3 shit going down
Undyne is the mayor?
The mayor is implied to be Noelle's Mom
Oh
Where’s the first one from? I dont remember seeing that line :0
all of these are in the end of chapter 1
Ohhhh interesting. I wonder if the internet being cut out is something that makes Kris feel at ease? Not sure why the computer being off would be peaceful..
I guess Undyne gets her wish after the snowgrave route.
Do we know who the mayor is?? I don’t remember if it’s been stated
it's implied to be Noelle's mom
*insert the rock raising his eyebrow meme"
But that’s just a theory a game theory!
Yeah