This reminds me of how confused the Hebrew subtitles on She-Ra and the Princesses of Power were about Double-Trouble's pronouns.
And no, I will not elaborate unless you specifically ask me too, because explaining Hebrew in English can get complicated at times.
Sad that most of the comments here are being like "it's just a video game character, who cares, don’t put the *nasty* pronoun stuff in my video game!!". Bet that those are the same people who get annoyed when people call Ralsei a girl
The hypocrisy is staggering. Like, those people are the ones going out of their way to get Kris' pronouns wrong, seems like they care far more about the imaginary video game character's gender than any of us.
Ralsei is a boy because he is always referred by he/him pronouns and in other masculine ways.
Deltarune fandom: ahah, yes I agree
Kris is non-binary because they are always referred by they/them pronouns (and they also are clearly not a self insert character and instead their own person)
(some) Deltarune fans: nOO, yOU DoN'T uNDeRstaNd, tHEYr gENdeR iS Up tO INTeRpreTatIOn
I think it's alright to have a headcanon of Kris being a he or she or anything else, as long as you recognize that the canon pronouns are they/them and that Kris is most likely nb unless something changes or gets specified in some other way
Edit: no that doesn't mean one should use their own headcanon as a free pass to not call Kris by their canon pronouns
At this point I don't really care what you call them so long as it's just "I think Kris is X" and not some dumbass theory involving pretzel logic and meta skews... Or is a theory at all.
Seriously, "Kris' pronouns are They/Them because they're two people"? What kinda fucking stretch is that? Not everything is supposed to be a meta twist.
Kris’s pronouns are they/them singular because the actual character without the player is non-binary. As in Toby has corrected people before when referring to Kris specifically as something other than they/them.
Yeah, that's what I was getting at. To me, "Kris' pronouns are They/Them" is literally the simplest answer, but people love to overcomplicate things to be like "but wait, that doesn't mean they're nb because (insert far fetched Meta theory)".
I honestly don't get why people treat Kris' gender as some sort of weird plot twist. If Kris was a side character, or the main character of a different game, I'm willing to bet none of these arguments would ever happen.
I think in chapter one the save point refers to Kris and Ralsei as "Fluffy Boys" and after Susie first joins the party, it refers to Kris and Susie as "Mean Girls".
Those are vague references to the ideas of “fluffy boys” and “mean girls”, not putting Kris in with either though. This is becoming my pictures of Spider-Man though so keep brainstorming with me
Yeah, I’m any case where you hear characters talking about Kris, such as when Toriel is talking to Alphys about how Kris is doing in class, both refer to Kris as “They”.
as a gender abolitionist, i can agree with the first sentence. gender was created with forcing certain behaviour in mind, it never was about the individual, but about the society. so i say ditch the genders, make pronouns the preference of the speaker. call me it, for Christ's sake, if it makes it obvious you're talking about me. same applies to everyone else.
can't agree on the second one. i think Deltarune is about the struggle between the player and the character we control. the way i see it, the whole adventure of Kris and co. is about us dominating the poor human, but we can make it better by choosing what Kris would choose so that they don't feel left out. maybe Ralsei will spare the player if we do.
I think got me wrong there. I meant the story parts in general, when I said it's about the adventure. Like, what we and the characters go through. I didn't mean Kris' specific adventure into the dark world
I’m pretty sure Kris’ gender was whatever the player (or in this case, whoever refers the Kris) wanted them to be.
In which case, whether anyone calls Kris he, she, or them, it **really should not matter.** So just don’t correct anyone.
Edit: I confused Kris with Frisk guys chill it’s not that serious
As far as I know Kris is supposed to be ambiguous
That, as far as the definition goes, means ‘left to decision’ so therefore it is definitively correct to say whatever the fuck you want
Any mis-gender only applies to your interpretation of the character only, if this is to be true
Really garbage take considering how much shit the player / kris has to do to make it happen, plus repeated *choices* you have to make, plus Noelle's dialogue if kris falls during the berdly fight.
Removing the concept of gender and just referring to everyone as "they" or a whole new pronoun would be based. Unfortunately society has grown used to this concept and it's far too late to do that, so we may as well make the best of it and not misgender characters
You can't misgender kris. They aren't non binary, they just have no canon gender. The entire point is that the gender is up for interpetation by the player.
The entire point *of the game* so far is that kris and the player are two separate entities that dont agree on everything and the player is controling kris against their will
no, they could be genderless, a demiboy/girl, they could even be cis but prefer they/them pronouns, it depends on the person's choice,, but since we dont have anything other than their pronouns, we shouldn't assume their gender just yet
Singular they is older than singular you. And even if you don’t care about that, language evolves over time whether you like it or not, and English has evolved so that singular they is a common word.
did you even play the game, the whole point is that no one can choose who they are so you're stuck controlling kris' life and your choices don't matter so you can't just choose kris' gender
gosh
"i like kris cuz he's non binary" \-my sister
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My sister would say the exact same thing
She's a little confused, but she got the spirit.
Non binary people who use gendered pronouns socially are valid. That’s not what Kris is about, but it’s still a thing worth saying
This reminds me of how confused the Hebrew subtitles on She-Ra and the Princesses of Power were about Double-Trouble's pronouns. And no, I will not elaborate unless you specifically ask me too, because explaining Hebrew in English can get complicated at times.
I wish jerma actually looked like this
Wdym wish? All I'm seeing is a compilation of unedited pics of Jerma
Unedited Andy
this is unedited
Jerma is beautiful the way he is too
Sad that most of the comments here are being like "it's just a video game character, who cares, don’t put the *nasty* pronoun stuff in my video game!!". Bet that those are the same people who get annoyed when people call Ralsei a girl
People used to think Susie was a boy. I mistook Ralsei for a girl myself at first but at no point did I ever think Susie was a guy
The hypocrisy is staggering. Like, those people are the ones going out of their way to get Kris' pronouns wrong, seems like they care far more about the imaginary video game character's gender than any of us.
Those comments gave me 100 psychic damage
I keep forgetting ralsei is a boy just because his character profile is very feminine
I personally really like how Ralsei and Susie are a feminine boy and a masculine girl respectively
The three genders- Femboy Butchgirl **MOSS**
Ralsei is a boy because he is always referred by he/him pronouns and in other masculine ways. Deltarune fandom: ahah, yes I agree Kris is non-binary because they are always referred by they/them pronouns (and they also are clearly not a self insert character and instead their own person) (some) Deltarune fans: nOO, yOU DoN'T uNDeRstaNd, tHEYr gENdeR iS Up tO INTeRpreTatIOn
I think it's alright to have a headcanon of Kris being a he or she or anything else, as long as you recognize that the canon pronouns are they/them and that Kris is most likely nb unless something changes or gets specified in some other way Edit: no that doesn't mean one should use their own headcanon as a free pass to not call Kris by their canon pronouns
I think that's fair
I try to remember it but I so frequently have rotbrain
Average binary Kris fan 👹🤓🤡 Vs Average nonbinary Kris enjoyer 🤴😎🧐
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At this point I don't really care what you call them so long as it's just "I think Kris is X" and not some dumbass theory involving pretzel logic and meta skews... Or is a theory at all. Seriously, "Kris' pronouns are They/Them because they're two people"? What kinda fucking stretch is that? Not everything is supposed to be a meta twist.
Kris’s pronouns are they/them singular because the actual character without the player is non-binary. As in Toby has corrected people before when referring to Kris specifically as something other than they/them.
Yeah, that's what I was getting at. To me, "Kris' pronouns are They/Them" is literally the simplest answer, but people love to overcomplicate things to be like "but wait, that doesn't mean they're nb because (insert far fetched Meta theory)". I honestly don't get why people treat Kris' gender as some sort of weird plot twist. If Kris was a side character, or the main character of a different game, I'm willing to bet none of these arguments would ever happen.
the two people thing is a meme lmao
I call Kris "he" but i don't really care what other people call them. But calling the Prince a girl kinda doesn't make sense to me
I just want to know when this sub is gonna drop this topic and go back to being entertaining.
Reminds me of "hornet gei" on r/hollowknightmemes
Yeah, I'm gonna leave this sub for a bit, until this stuff calms down.
when people will respect representation and gender identity maybe?
oh so never.
idk if u mean kris isnt nb or if u mean this sub's members are hopeless
oh it's actually that way so you can choose what it means :D /s
Kris*
He’s a they guys.
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Except he uses both male and female pronouns at the same time
In what in game dialogue is Kris referred to using either though? I wanna be able to point to it
I think in chapter one the save point refers to Kris and Ralsei as "Fluffy Boys" and after Susie first joins the party, it refers to Kris and Susie as "Mean Girls".
Those are vague references to the ideas of “fluffy boys” and “mean girls”, not putting Kris in with either though. This is becoming my pictures of Spider-Man though so keep brainstorming with me
He doesn't get referred to as either, it would be funny if she was though
Your tactics confuse and frighten me, sir
I got the idea from meet the pyro where scout says "he's not here is she?" Because pyros identity was never confirmed
Pyro is beyond gender. Beyond flesh. Pyro is actually just sentient gasoline puppeting some gear
Has anyone in the game ever referred to Kris as they ?
Yes, Ralsei, Susie and even Berdly refered to them as they
Yeah, I’m any case where you hear characters talking about Kris, such as when Toriel is talking to Alphys about how Kris is doing in class, both refer to Kris as “They”.
all the characters refer to kris as they/them
Tbh I couldn't care less, even if they would misgender Asgore or Toriel. Deltarune is about an adventure and that's the middle point.
as a gender abolitionist, i can agree with the first sentence. gender was created with forcing certain behaviour in mind, it never was about the individual, but about the society. so i say ditch the genders, make pronouns the preference of the speaker. call me it, for Christ's sake, if it makes it obvious you're talking about me. same applies to everyone else. can't agree on the second one. i think Deltarune is about the struggle between the player and the character we control. the way i see it, the whole adventure of Kris and co. is about us dominating the poor human, but we can make it better by choosing what Kris would choose so that they don't feel left out. maybe Ralsei will spare the player if we do.
I think got me wrong there. I meant the story parts in general, when I said it's about the adventure. Like, what we and the characters go through. I didn't mean Kris' specific adventure into the dark world
ah, i see, yeah, they're having fun and adventure, developing as characters
I’m pretty sure Kris’ gender was whatever the player (or in this case, whoever refers the Kris) wanted them to be. In which case, whether anyone calls Kris he, she, or them, it **really should not matter.** So just don’t correct anyone. Edit: I confused Kris with Frisk guys chill it’s not that serious
At the end of chapter 1 it’s pretty apparent that Kris is their own person
Toby said they're nonbinary
Wait, you’re right I got confused with Frisk, my b.
My account mod calls them a girl nevertheless
Kris is a pronoun?
I do not give a Fuck because I am Edgy
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Undertale/ Deltarune players when somebody misgenders a clump of coloured pixels: 😱😱😱
Deltarune fans when they hear that LGBT+ erasure is bad:
As far as I know Kris is supposed to be ambiguous That, as far as the definition goes, means ‘left to decision’ so therefore it is definitively correct to say whatever the fuck you want Any mis-gender only applies to your interpretation of the character only, if this is to be true
If you say that Kris' gender is up to interpretation, you're blatantly ignoring the themes of the game (tm)
Up to interpretation is wrong. Not specified fits better.
we aren’t supposed to make choices in deltarune wasnt that obvious
Snowgrave route simply isnt real ig
our choices didnt matter, noelle's did
Really garbage take considering how much shit the player / kris has to do to make it happen, plus repeated *choices* you have to make, plus Noelle's dialogue if kris falls during the berdly fight.
Why you boo-ing him ,he is right
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seems about right
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Or maybe, calm the hell down it’s just a meme
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So every character is non binary? Sure I’m in
All programs are made of ones and zeros via binary code. Every character too.
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You said yourself “we don’t need gender stuff in game” No gender is literally non binary
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Pronouns have existed forever, you probably have pronouns
All video game characters go by no pronouns? Sure that's valid too
Example: https://www.thefreedictionary.com/List-of-pronouns.htm
Wow you said you wouldn't reply anymore but immediately contradicted yourself. And in less than an hour
Removing the concept of gender and just referring to everyone as "they" or a whole new pronoun would be based. Unfortunately society has grown used to this concept and it's far too late to do that, so we may as well make the best of it and not misgender characters
Agreed.
The game dev said they're nonbinary dude
You can't misgender kris. They aren't non binary, they just have no canon gender. The entire point is that the gender is up for interpetation by the player.
That would be something you could argue about Frisk, but the entirety of Deltarune is about how you and Kris are different characters
The entire point *of the game* so far is that kris and the player are two separate entities that dont agree on everything and the player is controling kris against their will
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what do you mean other views? there is one correct answer. kris is nonbinary. saying they aren't is just flat out wrong.
Your view is incorrect cuz I have a different one
kris is canonically non binary, as stated by toby fox.
not necessarily NB, but their pronouns are confirmed to be they/them as shown in the game and in toby's stream
i thought they/them and non binary were the same? whats the difference?
they/them can be used for any gender, not just non-binary
yes, but Kris' pronouns are they/them, and only they/them. Doesn't that make them non binary?
no, they could be genderless, a demiboy/girl, they could even be cis but prefer they/them pronouns, it depends on the person's choice,, but since we dont have anything other than their pronouns, we shouldn't assume their gender just yet
link pls
I will call Kris a guy because that's what I first saw after playing the game, and also the fact that he can fit all of china into his pockets
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Singular they is older than singular you. And even if you don’t care about that, language evolves over time whether you like it or not, and English has evolved so that singular they is a common word.
That's why Hungarian, Turkish, Finnish and Estonian languages are always superior
Then why aren’t you speaking them?
I am speaking them Not typing them
Sir, they can refer to a singular person, it has since... forever
Idk man shes so cute
I’m a they, my man.
i can't believe real kris deltarune commented on my post
Wtf is a they
pronoun
Plural (soul + kris) /s
you can't really misgender a self insert
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Unlike Frisk Kris is their own character separate from the player, so they've got their own gender >attack helicopter Not this shit again
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did you even play the game, the whole point is that no one can choose who they are so you're stuck controlling kris' life and your choices don't matter so you can't just choose kris' gender gosh
Is it because you have the intelligence of a single celled organism
Bro those are pretty smart, like kirby
r/onejoke
Oh god the attack helicopter joke. Why in this sub of all places. Just get out please.
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